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11Manny Pacquiao Gets Rejected by Juan Manuel Marquez, Again

Since 2004, Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez have fought four times. Two of those bouts ended with Pacquiao squeaking out decision victories. One ended with a dominant Marquez knockout. And one, the first one, concluded in a controversial draw that would have been a Pacquiao victory if not for a judging error.

Understandably, particularly given how their fourth fight ended, fans have been salivating at the prospect of a fifth showdown between Pacquiao and Marquez for a while now. It was clear why the two needed a break from each other after last December; Pacquiao fought Brandon Rios a month ago, and Marquez took on Timothy Bradley in October. However, now that they’ve gotten that out of their systems, it’s time for a rematch.

Right?

Right?

Wrong.

Marquez has expressed zero interest in a fifth fight against Pacquiao. And in a recent interview with the Los Angeles Times, Pacquiao advisor Michael Koncz indicated that he didn’t expect that to change any time soon.

“Marquez will never fight us again,” he said. “Why would he? He has bragging rights and all the money he wants.”

Well, that depends on your perspective. Does Marquez have some bragging rights? Sure. Pacquiao never beat him via knockout – the way in which he won the fourth fight speaks for itself. That said, does it wipe out two victories for Pacquiao? No. Does it make everyone forget that the draw was only a draw because of an admitted judge’s error? No. And when it comes to money – Marquez can’t earn anything even remotely close to what he’d earn against Pacquiao unless he, you know, fights Pacquiao.

Koncz may be right about Marquez never fighting Pacquiao again, but the logic being used to justify that decision is awfully weak.

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11Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez to Fight in April 2014?

Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez have a history that speaks for itself. While the potential greatness of a bout between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a popular topic of discussion in boxing circles, the rivalry between Pacquiao and Marquez is actually great. There are no hypotheticals involved. When these two fought, all four times, the end result was memorable. Were the second and third matches as memorable as the first and fourth? Probably not. But they were still pretty amazing.

Pacquiao is currently coming off a big victory over Brandon Rios. Marquez is fresh off a tough loss to Timothy Bradley. According to Fight News, Top Rank boss Bob Arum is looking to pit one against the other for what would be the fifth, and presumably final, chapter of their rivalry.

Marquez has repeatedly stated that he is not interested in a fifth match against Pacquiao. He believes that his knockout win in the fourth bout definitively answered who the better man was, and he doesn’t want to risk tarnishing that memory.

Arum acknowledges Marquez’s reluctuance, but apparently he’s prepared to make the 40-year-old a pretty sweet offer. Per Fight News, Marquez stands to make between $13 and 15 millions should he agree to a fifth showdown against Pacquiao.

If Marquez doesn’t agree to fight Pacquiao again, he will be left without a dance partner. The person he wants a rematch against, Bradley, will likely be Pacquiao’s backup option should talks with Marquez fall apart. And since fighting Pacquiao again will make Bradley more money than fighting Marquez again, that’s probably the direction he’ll lean in.

Essentially, Marquez can take the biggest pay day of his career and fight Pacquiao, or he can turn the fight down and fight a no-namer next April or May.

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11Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather Should Happen, According to Juan Manuel Marquez

Manny Pacquiao is closely linked to two other active fighters: Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez. The latter is his biggest rival, a man who defeated him once in spectacular fashion and with whom he has put up the best pay-per-view numbers of his entire career. The former is a someone who fans have wanted to see him fight since 2009, and with whom he’s had battles literally everywhere besides the ring.

Now, as Pacquiao prepares to sit down and decide on his next opponent, one of his two biggest rivals spoke with Boxing Scene about how great it would be if he fought the other.

“I hope they make the fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.,” Marquez admitted.

He added: “I think it’s going to be a great fight, and the people will be very pleased because they won’t be in suspense on what would have happened if these two fighters had faced each other."

The great irony here, of course, is that fans also desperately want to see Pacquiao and Marquez fight a fifth time. Marquez defeated Pacquiao in dominant fashion a year ago; Pacquiao beat him twice before that. A fifth bout could settle this rivalry once and for all, but Marquez disagrees.

“The fifth fight is not going to happen,” he said. “It’s not even worth it because the people are very happy with that knockout.”

By people, obviously, Marquez means himself. Because nobody else thinks that Pacquiao-Marquez received the definitive ending it deserved by Marquez picking up his lone victory of the entire rivalry.

More than anything, the biggest takeaway from Marquez’s comments is that Pacquiao’s next fight will come against Timothy Bradley. Mayweather doesn’t want to fight him. Marquez doesn’t want to fight him. The lone man standing? Bradley.

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11Manny Pacquiao Won’t Fight Juan Manuel Marquez Next, According to Bob Arum

Manny Pacquiao needs an opponent for next April, and Juan Manuel Marquez seems like a logical choice. The two men have fought four times before, with two of the bouts being instant classics, one being forgettable, and one landing somewhere in between. Of all the options facing both of these guys, aside from Pacquiao taking on Floyd Mayweather Jr., this makes the most sense.

And because it makes the most sense, naturally, it won’t happen.

Marquez, 40, says he wants to fight two more times before hanging up his gloves. He wants one of the bouts to come against Timothy Bradley, and the other against whoever. Bradley, for what it’s worth, swiftly defeated him this year in what should have been a unanimous decision victory. Interestingly, though, Marquez wants no part of Pacquiao.

According to Bob Arum, that isn’t expected to change anytime soon.

During a recent interview with Boxing Scene, the Top Rank boss explained why he doesn’t foresee a Marquez-Pacquiao V showdown happening.

 “Unlike many of these fighters, Marquez is an accountant,” he said. “He saved much of his money and made some very safe investments. So truly, for Marquez money is not a factor. And he figures that there is no way he can do better against Manny than he did last year. And he’s right. How much better could you be?”

The interesting thing about this is that it creates a pretty huge dilemma: Marquez wants Bradley, however, if Pacquiao doesn’t get Marquez, he’ll like target Bradley next. And seeing as Bradley can make far more fighting Pacquiao than fighting Marquez, it looks like Marquez ends up being the odd man out in that equation.

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11Manny Pacquiao Turns to Floyd Mayweather, Timothy Bradley as Juan Manuel Marquez Ducks Him

Manny Pacquiao is willing to fight all comers, and that includes Floyd Mayweather Jr. With only one or two years remaining in the sport before his body forces him to retire, the Filipino star recognizes the magnitude of his next three to four bouts. There is a reason why, two weeks after taking on and beating Brandon Rios, his camp announced that he is eyeing an April 2014 return.

The problem for Pacquiao is eerily similar to the one facing Mayweather: they need marketable opponents, not just good opponents. There are plenty of talented athletes in boxing; there aren’t all that many recognizable brand names.

Because of this, Pacquiao’s options are fairly limited: Mayweather, Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradley and Ruslan Provodnikov.

Mayweather is always there, but history has taught us that the likelihood of nothing materializing with these two is far greater than the likelihood of something coming together.

Bradley is reportedly down, but aside from Provodnikov, he’s the least commercially viable opponent available. Plus, he is reportedly Marquez’s desired next foe, despite having just swiftly beaten him in a way that left little room for debate on who the better fighter was.

Marquez is a guy Pacquiao has wanted another crack at since December of last year, but it’s looking unlikely right now. Marquez and Pacquiao have put together numerous successful PPVs, and there is no question Marquez would make way more fighting Pacquiao than he would fighting Bradley, but for some reason he is standing firm in his desire to duck the Filipino star.

Provodnikov is a fun fighter, but he’s not getting a shot at Pacquiao. Even if Freddie Roach was cool with it, which he isn’t, this isn’t a good bout for anyone to put together.

So what does all this mean? It means, best case scenario, we get Pacquiao vs. Marquez V or Mayweather vs. Pacquiao in 2014. Worst case scenario? Bradley vs. Pacquiao II.

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11Manny Pacquiao to Fight Floyd Mayweather, Tim Bradley, Juan Manuel Marquez or Ruslan Provodnikov

Manny Pacquiao has narrowed down his list of potential opponents for early 2014. It’s going to be Floyd Mayweather Jr., Timothy Bradley, Juan Manuel Marquez or Ruslan Provodnikov.

Seeing as Pacquiao just fought Brandon Rios this month, it’s safe to assume that he and Top Rank are aiming for a mid-year return. The last two times he fought in November, he came back in May and June of the following years. Prior to that, when he fought Miguel Cotto in November 2009, he came back the following March against Joshua Clottey. But that that was a different period in his career.

Although Pacquiao, at age 34, now requires more time to recover, he also realizes that he’s on the clock. His days in the sport are numbered, and with his financial wellbeing in at least some question at the moment, it would make sense for him to maximize the amount of paydays he has remaining.

Either way, though, regardless of when he comes back, the Filipino star’s options are pretty much etched in stone. During a recent interview with Dan Rafael of ESPN, Top Rank boss Bob Arum said it would be Bradley, Marquez or Provodnikov

"It'll be one of those guys," he acknowledged. "We're going to get it done sometime this month I hope. I want to start promoting it. What we're hoping to do is get Manny over here in January to do press conferences for the fight and also to do rallies in places like Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Washington, D.C., for relief for the victims of the typhoon in the Philippines."

Although he didn’t explicitly mention Mayweather’s name, it’s impossible to ignore how much Arum has discussed a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao super fight in recent months. Obviously that’s a legitimate option, too.

Pacquiao versus Mayweather would give both fighters a marketable, bona fide PPV hit. Something none of the alternatives can guarantee. Pacquiao against Marquez has the potential to do legitimate numbers as well. A fight against Bradley would be less commercially successful, but Bradley’s willingness to make it happen makes it the likeliest option. Provodnikov’s name was mentioned out of politeness, nothing more.

One way or another, we should find out who Pacquiao and Mayweather are facing off against next sometime this month.

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11Manny Pacquiao Calls Out Floyd Mayweather, Also Wants to Fight Juan Manuel Marquez Again

Manny Pacquiao isn’t letting a pesky little thing like an upcoming fight deter him from calling out Floyd Mayweather Jr. After all, what better time to provoke your arch rival than when the eyes of the world are on you?

Pacquiao and his team are doing occasional media sessions with reporters this week and next in an effort to rack up some extra buys for their big international event.

During a recent conversation with Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, indicated that his guy wanted to fight both Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez before calling it quits. The latter, of course, knocked him out in the sixth round of their fourth bout against one another last December.

The interesting thing about Roach’s comment is that, presuming Pacquiao beats Brandon Rios in two weeks, a fight against Mayweather would be ideal for everyone involved. Mayweather desperately needs a big name opponent – hence all the Amir Khan talk. But despite the posturing that’s going on, everyone realizes that Khan hasn't worked his way back up the mountain yet. If he gets a match against Mayweather it’s by default, because he’s the biggest name available, not because he earned it a la Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez.

And we all know what happened to Alvarez.

If Pacquiao defeats Rios, and that’s not a given at this point, a fight against Mayweather would be pretty great.

As far as Marquez goes, it’s unsurprising that Pacquiao wants another crack at him. You will recall, just this week, Pacquiao more or less insinuated that Marquez got lucky in that last fight.

"For my fourth fight against Juan Manuel Márquez I was determined to end our rivalry with finality,” he said. “In training camp -- and it was one of my best camps -- I was focused on being able to dominate Márquez from the opening bell. I trained hard in camp to attack him from all angles. And though he had his moments early in the fight, I knew I was beating him as the fight wore on. I felt the momentum coming my way and I was hurting him badly. I could see it and feel it. But I got careless.

“When I heard the sound that only 10 seconds remained in Round Six I could see he was teetering and I thought I could finish him right then or at least land one more major blow to give him and his trainer one more thing to think about between rounds. But I was reckless...careless...in my attack and Márquez landed the perfect shot.”

The real question is, how many more years does Pacquiao have in him? To fight both Mayweather and Marquez he’d have to put off retirement for at least two years. Is that a realistic proposition? Time will tell.

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11Manny Pacquiao Says Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez Didn’t Really Beat Him

Manny Pacquiao has no trouble admitting that, officially, he lost his last two fights. That being said, he also doesn’t think he really lost them. And he can back that theory up with, well, some interesting logic.

Pacquiao, 34, is coming off back-to-back defeats to Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez. The former beat him via an admittedly horrendous split, the latter via a totally uncontroversial knockout. In the case of both matches, although you could make excuses and various rationalizations, the Filipino star had a shot at victory and squandered it.

The Bradley fight, in particular, still serves as a brutal reminder of just how different Pacquiao has looked over the past two years. There was a time when he would never let a hobbled, worn down opponent hang around for 12 rounds. His inability to put Bradley away in that bout, coupled with the fact that he really only started working at the end of each round, made everyone feel slightly less bad about him getting robbed.

As far as the Marquez fight, there shouldn’t even be a debate about that. Yes, Pacquiao was winning the match on every judge’s scorecard. But there is a reason why these things can end via knockout. Winning until you lost doesn’t earn you brownie points.  

"Though I accept the judges' decision I still do not understand their decision to score the fight against me when I fought Timothy Bradley,” Pacquiao said recently. "I was the aggressor throughout the fight. You can clearly see that by mid-fight, Bradley stopped engaging with me because he couldn't keep up with me and take the punishment I was giving him. So he decided to run from me.

“If there is a lesson to be learned from that fight I guess it's not to take anything for granted.”

That, and the fact that judges don’t like it when you’re visibly relaxed for large chunks of the match.

"For my fourth fight against Juan Manuel Márquez I was determined to end our rivalry with finality,” he continued. “In training camp -- and it was one of my best camps -- I was focused on being able to dominate Márquez from the opening bell. I trained hard in camp to attack him from all angles. And though he had his moments early in the fight, I knew I was beating him as the fight wore on. I felt the momentum coming my way and I was hurting him badly. I could see it and feel it. But I got careless.

“When I heard the sound that only 10 seconds remained in Round Six I could see he was teetering and I thought I could finish him right then or at least land one more major blow to give him and his trainer one more thing to think about between rounds. But I was reckless...careless...in my attack and Márquez landed the perfect shot.”

Pacquiao suffers from the same mental condition that all great athletes suffer from. He doesn’t think anyone can beat him; rather, he believes that he and he alone dictates the final result of matches. If he loses, it's because he did something wrong, not because the other guy did something right. That’s not true, obviously, but it’s not unique in any way, shape or form.

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11Manny Pacquiao Takes a Shot at Juan Manuel Marquez, Praises Timothy Bradley

Manny Pacquiao seems to view his upcoming showdown against Brandon Rios as more of a formality than legitimate challenge, and it’s sort of understandable that he would have that view. The odds makers installed him as a favorite from the getgo, all of the media hoopla surrounding this matchup has been more about what will happen after the fight than during it, and Rios’ inability to draw headlines has left writers without anything particularly interesting to write about.  

Everyone, starting with the fans and ending with Pacquiao, is more curious about what 2014 holds for the Filipino star than what he’ll do in 2013.

This week, Pacquiao did an interview in which he was asked to comment on Saturday’s showdown between Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez. Relishing the opportunity to take a shot at a guy who ducked him for all of this year, Pacquiao insisted he knew all along that Bradley would beat Marquez. In his mind, there were no questions about who the better man was and is.

Mind you, this is funny on several fronts. First of all, Pacquiao beat Bradley. Whether the final record reflects it or not, when he took on Bradley, he was clearly the winner. Conversely, Marquez destroyed Pacquiao with a knockout punch that people are still talking about. That means heading into last weekend, Pacquiao believed that a guy who he thoroughly beat up was better than a guy who beat him up.

Is anyone really buying that?

The reason why Pacquiao can get away with that sort of comment, though, is because Marquez has spent all year ducking him. Make no mistake about it: when you turn down massive payday for one of the most highly-anticipated fights of the year to fight for half the money in a bout that nobody outside of true, blue boxing fans cares about, you’re doing it because you’re ducking someone.

Marquez ducked Pacquiao, plain and simple. And because he ducked Pacquiao, the Filipino star can take as many shots as he wants at Marquez and nobody is going to feel all that bad for him.  

Pacquiao, for his part, seems content with the fact that he will most likely have to fight Bradley again in 2014 – presuming he gets past Rios. Unless Marquez decides to save us all from that rematch, that fight seems inevitable.  

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11Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley Find Themselves in Interesting Predicament

Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley are currently stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both are hoping that their next opponent will be Floyd Mayweather Jr., both of them are coming off bouts against Juan Manuel Marquez, and both realize that they might have to fight each other at some point in the foreseeable future.

Generally speaking, two top-tier pound-for-pounders having to square off isn’t a bad thing. Unfortunately, this is the exception to the rule.

Pacquiao and Bradley previously fought in 2012 to a horrible reception. Their bout was boring, it didn’t perform as well as expected from a PPV standpoint, and the resulting backlash from the final decision sidelined Bradley for an extended period of time. With more momentum than he ever had in his career, the 30-year-old couldn’t book a fight because nobody knew what to do with him. He hadn’t really beaten Pacquiao, but officially he had.

It was a mess for all involved.

The other, less talked about consequence of Pacquiao-Bradley was the temporary rift it created between Bob Arum and Bradley. For obvious reasons, when that horrendous decision came down, Arum sided with Pacquiao. That didn’t sit well with Bradley.

There are a million reasons why Pacquiao-Bradley II is a bad idea, however, that may not be enough to prevent it from actually happening. The reality is this: Bradley won’t get a shot at Mayweather. Even if Top Rank and Golden Boy/Mayweather Promotions weren’t beefing, there is no way Mayweather would grant a fight to a guy who can’t pull in his own audience. And as he made abundantly clear last year, Bradley can’t pull his own audience.

Meanwhile, presuming Pacquiao gets past Brandon Rios this November, his options are also slim. Marquez is still out there, obviously, but to date he has expressed zero interest in another rematch. Mike Alvarado is always a possibility, but that fight wouldn’t do legit PPV numbers. So who is left?

Bradley.

Neither guy wants this fight. The fans aren’t really calling for it. And in all likelihood the final product would probably be even worse than what it was originally.

But what’s the alternative?

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