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Should Marriage for Same Sex Couples be Legal?
The tide of marriage for same-sex couples has ebbed and flowed over the last decade with no end in sight. Because marriage sits squarely at the intersection of religion, law and society, the discussion around same-sex couples’ inclusion into the institution of marriage has been one of the most complex and hotly contested topics in America.
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gay marriage
Someone ought to do a poll correlating those against gay marriage with those against biracial marriages. Bet there's a high correlation. Bigots will be bigots. The ignorant and those of little self esteem want everyone to be just like themselves.
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Not fair
I am not homophobic but I deeply oppose the clamor for same sex marriages and their hypocritical fight for equality. If gay couples want thesame benefits as straight couples, it's ok. They must however give up the right to adopt children that can ONLY be made through the union between a man and a woman. You can't eat your cake and have it which is exactly what they want.
same sex marriage
I am very disappointed in some of the comments that are being made on this topic. I for one, firmly believe that any two people of whom love each other, should be entitled to be legally married. Why do some people choose to make this issue their business? If you don't like it that is your opinion. Stay away from gay couples then. How differently would you feel if you were told that you could only marry someone the same age as yourself, or only marry someone in the same profession? In fact, someone telling you whom to marry is a suppression of our rights as human beings in our supposedly "Free" Country. When people start telling other people whom they can and cannot marry it becomes an infringement on our rights. Anyone who wants to marry should be free to do so with all the amenities as any traditional marriage.
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Marriage between same sex
Marriage between same sex couples should not be encouraged, it is the last thing man should really think of doing. First of all SHAME to world leaders (NATIONS) who are trying to legalise or who had already approved it, they know that it is not good but yet still trying to make it legal. Talking about it, they will say they have the right to be happy or to do whatever they are pleased with their lives, yes but provided your rights are not violating other peoples rights. This is the cause of all this crises that are arising from parts of the world (men marrying men, wimin marrying wimin). Simple logic, had their ancestors lived on this insanity they would not be here today being proud being gay. Talking about adoption, whose child are you going to adopt if their parents were thinking the same way you (homos) are thinking now. Really is a shame seeing or hearing people who are trusted by the world thinking about legalising same sex marriage. Am really disappointed.
wow
ok first of all its women not wimin, second of all lgbt members having the same rights to everything including marriage is not violating anyone elses rights. its like during the women's suffrage when women wanted the same rights as men including the right to vote. or also its like when African Americans wanted the rights that were supposed to be given to all human kind. they are people too they deserve the same rights as everyone else. what i think that everyone opposing the lgbt community is really scared of is that the lgbt peoples marriages will last and be better then heterosexual peoples marriage.
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thank you it just bugs me how people can be so dumb and naive sometimes.
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The introduction of same-sex
The introduction of same-sex marriage has varied by jurisdiction, resulting from legislative changes to marriage laws, court challenges based on constitutional guarantees of equality, or legalization by voters through referendums and ballot initiatives.
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yeah, get mad.
What makes anyone think that their opinion or religon has the right of power to control how other people choose to live their lives? If you believe in "god", cool. But not everyone does. Get over it. Obviously, I do not believe in god and it pisses me off that someone/something that is NOT TANGIBLE is able to make people be so hateful towards people with a different lifestyle than their own. Why would it matter at all if someone is gay? That does not define who they are. And if you think gay marriage is wrong because of procreation, grow a brain for gods sake. There are 13 year olds having babies, so don't worry, there's plenty of procreating to go around. My point is, if you don't support gay couples, then look the other way. But it is morally and politically wrong to get in the way of someones pursuit of happiness. Gay marriage is hurting no one. How would you feel, if you weren't allowed to marry the person you love, and have the security of being married? "Marriage should be between a man and a woman"... shut up. Shits progressing, so learn to cope with things you don't like.
An American Institution
Since this is a topic that has fascinated me, I wanted too generate some responses for some personal research I am doing. It seems that both sides are caught up in the notion of "rights" since in English "rights" refers both to inalienable rights granted to us by God and at the same time means those entitlements that we believe ought to be granted to us by government. If anything, constant though inconsistent use of the term rights leads to confusion rather than the ability to objectively examine the problem.
For arguments sake, let's just assume for a moment that God doesn't exist. What does that do for traditional marriage? Other than removing any religious context, I suppose procreation--or if you prefer a more secular, reproduction of the species--is still a reasonable purpose for the marriage institution. One could argue that the family-type arrangement prominent in other mammals has biological and sociological functions that predate religion. And if you happen to visit what still remains of the rain forest, you might find the denizens there living in family units that have evolved to maximize the chances of survival for the species. I haven't actually done this, so it's possible you would find a more open arrangement.
On the other hand, proponents of same-sex marriage are probably chomping at the bit to rush in once God is taken out of the picture. You probably think that God doesn't matter anyway and shouldn't be considered in our more evolved modern society in the first place. This is not an unreasonable argument.
The question I still have is when you get down to the bare bones what is the purpose of the same-sex marriage or what does it serve? I've heard the response "a financial arrangement." A financial arrangement is tautological, because the arrangement now serves as both a cause and a consequence. I have also heard "equality" and "recognition by society" as reasons put forward. But equality in Western liberal democracies is already taken as its own end. In other words, equality serves only to further the cause of equality and lands itself on a slippery slope. Recognition by society is not a prerequisite for traditional marriage, so why would it be necessary for same-sex marriage? The only answer of purpose I can determine is that if it has a purpose then that purpose must in some way serves the state. But this would take some explaining. What is the way in which same-sex marriage serves the state? And does it serve the state in the same way traditional marriage does? In fact, does traditional marriage serve the state at all or just the human species in ways that are now irrelevant in industrialized modern society?
Just my opinion
Let me just start out by saying I'm not here to argue, but rather to discuss. If you have a different opinion I'm interested in hearing it and I respect it, I just ask that you respect mine. :) That being said, I do think gay marriage should be legal, for several reasons. First of all, I don't think homosexuality is wrong. I don't happen to believe in God (or any other god or religion that condemns homosexuality) so the argument "the Bible says it's wrong" doesn't do anything for me. And I can't exactly argue with an almighty deity that I don't believe in. :P But I do have some responses to some non-biblical reasons that homosexuality is wrong. It is not, in fact, unnatural. And if it is, I don't know what we're calling nature anymore. There are thousands of documented cases of homosexual tendencies in all sorts of different animals. Not nature-y enough for you? Well most plants empregnate themselves (if you can call it that) and that's a whole other level of weird, way beyond homosexuality. ;P But no matter how you look at it, homosexuality is not just a human sin, an evil thing created by human society, or a curse from the devil (I don't think the devil has started cursing the rest of the animal kingdom just yet). It is also not a damaging situation at all. Obviously the homosexuals themselves are much better off accepting who they are and being together than not. And as for it damaging any kids they have, I think not. Even if you ignore the countless happy, not psychologically scarred children raised by same-sex parents. Some would say a child needs the roles of both mother and father to be filled. I say why wouldn't they get that from same-sex parents? The mom and dad "roles" are not specific traits that can only come from a male or female, respectively. Rather, they are traits that come from certain chemicals (namely, estrogen and testosterone) that usually are dominant seperately in the appropriate gender. However (and I haven't done any research on this - yet - but this makes sense and fits with what I've seen of the gay community) homosexuals have different levels of these chemicals leading to different traits than in the average straight gender. I'm not saying all gay men are sissies and all gay women are tough butches, I'm just saying they may have different traits. And this allows two men or two women to fulfill both the mother and father roles. And even if I'm wrong about the chemistry, many homosexual relationships have the "male" and "female" roles that they take, respectively. This is pretty much the dominant and subordinate roles, but I would still argue that two same sex homosexual parents can indeed provide both the mother and father roles whereas two same sex straight people would not be able to fulfill both of these roles successfully. Some argue that even if they are in love, you have to draw a line somewhere; for example siblings are not allowed to get married. Laws restricting this kind of love were made for a reason though, reasons which don't apply to homosexuals. Siblings and other close relatives are not allowed to get married because that greatly increases the likelyhood of defects (don't believe me, just check out some of the old European monarchs). An adult is not allowed to marry or have sex with a minor because 18 was the age set for consent. Before that age, you are not mentally developed enough to keep yourself out of harmful or bad sexual relationships. However, homosexuality harms no one, except maybe homophobes. There is no chance of deformations, or psychological scarring due to improper contact at a too-young age. I've also heard that it biologically makes no sense since there is no chance of reproduction, and after all isn't that what sex and marriage are for? Um no. If sex was only for reproduction and not pleasure, ... well it obviously is for pleasure too. And if marriage is all about having kids and starting a family, why are sterile people allowed to get married? It's the same scenario. And it's very legal. All that being said, I now get to actually arguing for gay marriage, and I'll try to keep it short this time. Basically, there are certain rights that come with being married that you don't get as not-legally-recognized partners. And if a straight couple gets these rights, why can't a gay couple? Also on the topic of rights, if a man has the right to marry a woman, why doesn't a woman have that right? And vice versa. Just something to think about. ;) In conclusion, if your only reason against SSM is the ruling of your deity, I would ask that that please be kept out of our thankfully secular government. And if you have other reasonings of your own that was not defeated by my own arguments above, please, by all means, share them. :) And if you actually read through all that, you have perhaps lost my respect for your life, but you have won my appreciation. ;P thanks for your time and consideration! :)
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should be legal
same sex marrages should be legal .evan tho i do not aggree with it. here are my views agienst: human beings were not made to to be with the same sex if more people turn homosexual how will children be born it is a violation of the laws of most religions
fore:as americans citizans are people are equal they have the human right to live there lives the best way they see fit
so its basicly cut and dry homo sexuals should be allowed to get married.because as human beings they have the right to be happy
same sex marriage is not
same sex marriage is not wrong i dont care what anyone says guys dont mind watching two girls make out so why cant they get married and have the same sucuradies that we all do they love each other and nothing else should matter and that goes for two guys as well
Why not? (Same Sex Marriage?)
I feel homosexual couples should be as miserable as we are...why not share? Many times people want what they cannot have. I suggest we tell our kids to become divorce attorneys and marriage councilors. I foresee a great future in alimony, separation of property, domestic violence and prenuptial agreements. :-))
All jokes aside getting married in America, no matter who it is has a low success rate. Many "gay" couples will learn what we have learned. You may want to "slow your roll" down the isle and take a better look at who you are marrying.
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gay marriage
i strongly believe that acting out gay feelings in a sexaul way is tottaly wrong and i dont belive that god wants that. i believe that the devil got envyious of man and woman and thats why gayness is here. also i used to like to dress up in my moms underwear when i was about 6 or 7 but my mom caught me and she looked at my and and said what are you doing? i new she did not approve. i believe that reinforcement is helpful for sexual orientation. if your gay its not bad its only when you act on it.your kids will be so much happier if there brought up straight. But that means not just one thing but many things to train and educate a child. Plus people that are straight also have a great responsibilty to be attractive to the opposite sex. not to let them selves be fat or lazy. bassicaly to avoid the 7 deadly sins and commandments. our country would be 100 times greater. why be gay? you have to think to much about nothing. if your gay, i understand, evolution will eventually get the best of you anyway but if you change before nature changes you then youll like the outcome better, promise. that goes for everyone.
gay marriage
i strongly believe that acting out gay feelings in a sexaul way is tottaly wrong and i dont belive that god wants that. i believe that the devil got envyious of man and woman and thats why gayness is here. also i used to like to dress up in my moms underwear when i was about 6 or 7 but my mom caught me and she looked at my and and said what are you doing? i new she did not approve. i believe that reinforcement is helpful for sexual orientation. if your gay its not bad its only when you act on it.your kids will be so much happier if there brought up straight. But that means not just one thing but many things to train and educate a child. Plus people that are straight also have a great responsibilty to be attractive to the opposite sex. not to let them selves be fat or lazy. bassicaly to avoid the 7 deadly sins and commandments. our country would be 100 times greater. why be gay? you have to think to much about nothing. if your gay, i understand, evolution will eventually get the best of you anyway but if you change before nature changes you then youll like the outcome better, promise. that goes for everyone.
this is not true because only
this is not true because only the person that this is happening to can really determine if it will make their outcome better you can not say that it will make all of our outcomes better because then you say as if you know all which is in fact not true because then you are comparing yourself to god who is suppose to know all. which if i remember correctly is a sin in its own way saying that you seem to act as if you know everyone will like the outcome more which is not true because then they are hiding the truth of themselves. but this is just my opinion and i do not wish for you to get angry of this comment i just wish to vioce my opinion. (sorry for the run-on sentence they are still a habit)
same sex marriage
Same sex marriage should be legalized. By not legalizing it, these people are being violated of their rights. Depriving same sex couples of marriage is a violation of the 1st and 9th ammendment of the American constitution. I believe that all people should have the privilage to marry a person who makes them happy. Think of it this way... heterosexual people, think if someone forced you to marry someone of your same sex, I'm sure you would not like the idea of that. Just like heterosexual people have the right to marry who they love, I think the same right should be granted to homosexual people. I just don't understand why people think same sex marriage is so bad; I have friends who are homosexual, and they are great people. All human beings should be able to love who they please without ridicule and prejudiceness (too bad society will never allow that due to pure ignorance and closemindedness). I'm straight, but I have a great deal of respect for people who are openly homsexual, and are not afraid to say, "this is who I am." They are stronger than the average person, by facing others who may shun them because of who they are sexually attracted to. Long story short, I have no problem with gay marriage, and I think it should be legalized because every human being has the right to marry someone who can enhance them and make them happy.
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Here is the rule: If it is good for one it is good for all. You state that it is a violation of rights to not allow people to marry who makes them happy. Should a Father be able to marry his Daughter? Brother and sister? Mother and daughter? Be realistic. There is always a line, and the line is there for a reason. Blind people cant drive. Family members cant marry. Same sex marriage is not the same as heterosexual marriage. Please defend your belief with a stronger defense then we should do what makes us happy. I would be happy if I could slap you, but I cant.
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To be honest; I actually had to think when conveying the logic behind your post because incest is something that I wouldn't exactly agree with and wouldn't encourage from my children or anything. But, at the same time.. I feel that if you're old enough, then you should marry whomever you wish. I mean, whether a parent should marry his own daughter is something they both need to deal with between themselves and if the daughter/son is old enough to make his/her own choices then ok...Like I said, would I encourage incest, no...would I perse encourage gay marriage, no...but, would I condemn them? no...I'm bisexual so I unbiased, I support both straight and gay marriage; but I also support the freedom to love and marry whomever you are in love with as long as they are willing as well..
daddyo's level of stupidity
Sure the reasons to marry someone of your same sex can also apply to the intimacy of husbands and daughters, family memebers or inanimate objects. However those components that you just stated are quite ridiculous, nearly no individual wants to marry their family memebers. I was wondering if your brain was consisted of crap when you compared the unlikeliness of same sex marriage to a blind man who cant drive. Clearly a blind man cant drive because they risk serious deaththreatening harm to themselves or to other people. Same sex marriage has nearly to no influence or impact to society. Your argumens are so stupid i would rank it the level of donkey in my level of stupidity. Whats worse is that you are so pretentious telling other people that their arguments are bad.
SSM: The Wrong Side of Intellectual History
SSM: The Wrong Side of Intellectual History The Ostrich Manifesto The core case against gay marriage is extremely simple: If a mother's missing, that's important; if a father's missing, that's also important. We should think of it this way: When you were growing up, didn't you notice the psychological difference between your mother and your father? Wasn’t some of the difference obviously attributable to the fact that one was a man and the other a woman? There has been an ideology, a kind of religion since the Seventies that says that psychological differences between the genders were mere social constructs, but the advent of brain scanning devices and new research in social psychology are now shifting the balance back to show that nature shapes us to some extent after all. All this has enormous significance in the area of child-rearing, which is far-and-away the most important reason why society should keep committing itself to giving economic benefits and social recognition to mother-and-father couples. Social Psychology. Studies in social psychology confirm the common observation that women tend to describe themselves more in relational terms, welcome more help, experience more relationship-linked emotions, and are more attuned to others' relationships (Addis & Mahalik, 2003; Gabriel & Gardner; 1999; Tamres & others, 2002; Watkins & others, 1998, 2003). In conversation, men more often focus on tasks & connections with large groups, women on personal relationships (Tannen, 1990). When on the phone, women's conversations with friends last longer (Smorda & Licoppe, 2000). When on the computer, women spend more time sending emails in which they express more emotion (Crabtree, 2002; Thomson & Murachver, 2001). When in groups, women share more of their lives and offer more support (Dindia & Allen, 1992; Eagly, 1987.) When facing stress, men tend to respond with fight-or-flight; often, their response to a threat is combat. In nearly all studies, notes Shelley Taylor (2002), women who are under stress more often “tend and befriend”; they turn to friends and family for support. With children, women tend to coddle, men to challenge. Neuroscience. Imaging technology permits us to examine the brain without opening the skull. Behavioral differences between the sexes are the result of compelling forces set in motion before birth. For a woman, emotional structures in the female are larger than the male, while a male has about 20 times more testosterone than the female. So we're talking about hormonal influences and brain structure. All of these play important roles that make male-female relationships radically different than same-sex relationships. It's wired right into the chemistry of the brain. Progesterone, prolactin, and estrogen skyrocket during pregnancy, making a woman specially equipped to care for an infant, with the progesterone level going 40 times what is normal. What has to be recovered is a rational and balanced sense of what men contribute and what women contribute. The idea that men and women are psychologically interchangeable is being increasingly undermined by these findings (Research by Dr. Louann Brizendine and many others). Social Science. Children lacking the distinctive love and authority of a father provide further evidence: Youth suicides (US Dept. Of Health/Census)-5 times the average; homeless and runaway children -32 times the average; children who show behavior disorders -20 times the average (Center for Disease Control); high school dropouts -9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report); youths in state-operated institutions -9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988); youths in prison -20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction). Back to the Real Basics. Marriage is not about endorsing an attachment between adults. It is about creating the conditions in which children can come into the world fully protected and with a fair chance of being loved. Marriage is, above all else, a system of privileges bestowed on a man and a women because it's in the interest of society to have the maximum number of its members be raised with both a masculine and a feminine parental influence from the psychological standpoint. No matter how well-intentioned a same-sex parent might be, the valuable, gender-specific contributions of either a father or a mother are missing. Men and women are not interchangeable. The time has come to celebrate the psychological distinctives of men and of women and to stop denigrating either men or women by discounting or diminishing these. Either the relevant and constructive aspects of brain structure and hormones exist or they don’t. There is no middle ground. Common experience, common observation, and common sense provide all the rationale needed for refusing the special support of marriage to any sexual relationships that are alternatives to male-female marriage. The studies merely confirm the self-evident. To dismiss these as they pertain to child-raising is to play the ostrich and to be on the wrong side of history. The stability of civilization depends on restabilizing sexual and family life. Public Domain
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Hi eveyone. Its just really hard for me to accept that people being gay is morally right. I have never been around it before until hitting high school. It can just b hard for me to understand.
well see i believe in high
well see i believe in high school we basically know that those feelings are there so sometimes its not just you learning that some people are gay its those people themselves figuring out they are gay or bisexual.
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I am a christian and proud of it! I believe in god's word ,but I also believe in EQUALITY. Who am I to say If two loving human beings can get married? Who am I to interfere with what they want?If they are in love and want to get married, I am no one to stand in the way of their happiness!Many people quote the bible and talk about how God said that being gay is a sin and all this other stuff.My view on that is ONE PERSON'S RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS BETWEEN THEM AND GOD! Why can't we let two people be happy?Marriage is a matter of love.
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I'm going to keep this really short and sweet ... Love is love, no matter who you are in love with. That feeling you get of wanting to spend the rest of your life with someone does not differ no matter which sex you feel that way about! EVERYONE has the right to marry the person they love without having all these problems. I don't understand why people are so against being 'different'. LOVE is LOVE, no matter what!!!
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More simple..."love is love"
More simple..."love is love" is the slogan of a child molester. A father cannot marry his daughter. Please understand people cannot marry whomever they want. There are boundaries. Marriage is a legal document that holds legal boundaries and consequences and should be handled as such. Love is a matter of the heart, marriage is a matter of law.
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Here is my opinion. It truly infuriates me when people say gay marriage is unnatural. Love is a delicate thing and I strongly believe that when you are born you are giving a soulmate in which you are to spend your life with. If people are in love you can't deny the heart. I think it is in no body's place to tell someone else they can't love another person, and if someone were to tell me I couldn't love the person I love, I would be a wreck. Love is a natural thing and if you have feelings for another person, no matter what sex organ they posses, who are you to tell them they can't love who they love. It should not be a discussable topic because it is quite clear that you cannot deny your feelings and having someone tell you it is against the law to marry the person you are in love with sickens me beyond belief. Which is why I thank the lord I am Canadian. I would be deeply ashamed to live in a country where two people in love can't marry each other. Not saying being American is something to be ashamed of, I just DEEPLY & STONGLY disagree with that law.
Does it follow if i will be
Does it follow if i will be falling in love with my sibling brother? cos you said we should not be forbidden to marry anybody we fall in love as love is something natural. The issue here is not forbidding anybody to love, but put love at the right perspective. Yes love is a natural thing so we can fall in love to anybody, we can even love and hurt many times, we are humans thats why we experience these. But love isnt just about feelings, it also comes with RESPONSIBILITY my dear friend. And if i will be falling in love to my brother or any man who is married already, it doesnt give me the consent to marry them just for the simple reason that i LOVE them, but because marriage, which is binded by LOVE, is a commitment with RESPONSIBILITY.. We marry more than the reason of Love, we marry not only because of loving the other person but along with it is the responsibility to become a husband, wife, and a family that will nurture the future generation. A husband is a MAN and a wife is a WOMAN, which identifies their responsibility in their FAMILIES. And in this family that we have created, in my example I may love my brother but i cannot marry him because my responsibility is to be his sister. U see, we all have our PURPOSES, the reason why we have our IDENTITIES. So why confuse our identity for the reason of love? Love is a feeling that can be given to anybody either in a man or a woman, I may admire a beautiful woman, I may even admire a handsome gay, I may love a very old man, a married man, or whoever I WANTED to love, but my love isnt enough reason to FORGET my identity that I am FOR a MAN, who is also FOR ME. And if I can give love to anybody, I also love MYSELF, and that is being who I am, naturally as I AM.
Well said...
I loved your bringing up responsibility. We could chase a lot of important "rabbits" by applying responsibility to marriage. Many downfalls in our society today could be "fixed" if men/women would simply fulfill their responsibilities. Divorce rates would plummet, child-support would be voluntarily given - not forced, the rising need for foster homes would diminish, our prison population would decrease, traffic court would become a lonely place, family counselors would have no waiting time for appointments, and on and on the list could go.
I believe in a Creator God. His reason for creating both male and female are explained. Multiply. Our purpose is certainly far greater than to "be fruitful and multiply," but that is definitely a major part of it. As a Christian, I believe our purpose for living is to bring glory to our Creator God - through every part of our life. Including this part.
The "natural" argument has lots of holes, and you've pointed that out. I may be born with a volatile temper, and just "naturally" destroy life, limb, and property when I, by my nature ... naturally, lose my temper. That's the kind of guy I am. So don't try to tell me I can't! Don't you DARE impose some law on me that limits who I am ... naturally.
Mankind is, indeed, many negative things ... by nature. Did you have to teach your child how to be selfish? or how to hit? Did you have to teach them to be disrespectful? No ... it all comes "naturally." We need laws to provide limits, boundaries, and to control our "natures." We need God's laws, for His laws were put into place for our benefit...for our good. And "in the keeping of them is great reward."
ok i still dont understand
ok i still dont understand why people argue over this cause it should be legal i mean i had a relationship witth a female before and ya people thought it was wrong but we had our whole high school stick behind us cause they knew us and loved us and all they cared about was us being happy. why cant the rest of people learn from that one high school to stop seeing things as bad or wrong but instead see them as wow those people are happy i want them to continue with that happiness cause it makes our future look brighter
First of all, I would like to
First of all, I would like to point out that every human has the right to his or her opinion. I don't know what your belief is about the Bible, but I do believe it. I have no confidence at all in any man's opinion - including my own - but stand firmly on what the Word of God says, God's opinion, the Bible. The Bible states clearly that there is a Creator God, who has laws. Take the natural law of gravity, for example. If a man were to go to the top of the Empire State Building, firmly believing that he could jump off and not die, his firm belief would make no difference to the outcome of that jump. No matter what he believed, if he jumped, he would fall and he would die. This same Creator God, Who put the laws of nature into place, also put spiritual laws into place. And like the natural laws, they're non-negotiable. They hold true - whether you believe in them or not; - one spiritual law reads "The wages of sin is death." The good news is that both of these laws - the law of gravity, and the law of sin and death - can be overcome.
The law of gravity is overpowered by the law of lift. This is so, because of what we call Newton's First Law of Motion. You may remember this from school; it says, "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." Here's an example of this law: An eagle can fold his wings to his side, and dive with power and speed toward the earth, BUT - when he spreads his wings open, the Law of Lift counteracts the Law of Gravity, and that plunge is ended, instantly. That eagle then swoops upward, avoiding sure death. You see these same laws at work in the flight of an aircraft. Both laws are in force - that of gravity and that of lift - but one law overpowers, or counteracts, the other. It is the same with the spiritual law of sin and death. Our Creator God says that the consequence of sin is death. That is His law. It holds true for any and all - regardless of what we choose to believe. But in His love and mercy, God provides a way to escape that death. He provides another law - a greater law that overpowers the law of sin and death - the law of life in Christ Jesus. (Read about this law in Romans 3:23, 6:23, 5:8, 10:9) Because of sin, every person is headed to death - plunging downward just as surely as the diving eagle. We all experience many kinds of death during our lifetime, as a result of wrong choices ... sin - death of joy, death of meaning in life, death of relationships, death of peace, etc. Ultimately, we all then experience physical death, followed by spiritual, eternal death - UNLESS this law of sin and death, operating in our life, is overcome (counteracted, overpowered) by a greater law - the law of Life. When we believe God's Words - as given in the Bible - and act on them (simply doing what He says to do: believe, repent, turn away from a life of sin and turn towards a life of obedience to Him) - immediately a higher law goes into effect. Just like when the eagle spreads its wings, and the plunge is immediately ended, and the Law of Lift takes effect, and the eagle soars upward - in similar manner, when we turn to God (repenting of (turning from) our sin, and confessing Him as Lord of our life), the law of life in Christ Jesus also takes effect. Our plunging path toward death and hell is immediately ended. The greater law of life in Christ Jesus takes effect, and we soar upward - avoiding the eternal consequence of sin, and experiencing - instead - abundant life in our days on earth, followed by eternal life with God.
Now, when you say "It makes our future look brighter," I don't know how you can say that. Look at it simply. Obviously, gay or lesbian couples can't have kids. The result of that would be the end of the human race. There are other things to consider, as well. I got this paragraph from a link written in 1995. "Recent studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. We see higher rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse." It is clearly not a universally accepted opinion that gay marriage makes our future look brighter at all. It seems that the gay/lesbian population may be too close to the proverbial forest to see the trees! They appear so emotionally entangled in this lifestyle that they are incapable of seeing the obvious.
In closing, I would like to point out that I am not judging you, or others that think the same way as you. However, the Bible teaches that I, as a Christian young man, should not be silent about the teachings of the Word of God. I need to speak up and let the world know about our Creator God and His laws.
Suppose a car was speeding ahead, and that just around the corner was a deep chasm, its bridge having split in half and tumbled onto the rocks below. If I had both knowledge of this and the opportunity to warn them, but remained silent, giving no warning, would I not be guilty in their death? Suppose I saw that my neighbors house was on fire, but I didn't want to disturb them - didn't feel it was my place to interfere, so I kept quiet. Or perhaps I called them, woke them up, and urgently told them to run from the house - that it was on fire and their lives were in danger. Would you say that I was "judging" them because of my shouts of warning? Or what if they hollered back, "I don't believe you! You're talking nonsense!" Should I then just say, "Well, you have the right to your own belief," then turn and walk away?
That is the best way I know to explain why I, and many other Christians, attempt to interfere with someone's comfortable life - to warn them of what God says is true. It isn't that we think we're better than they are - any more so than the one hollering "Fire! Fire!" thinks he's better than the ones in the burning building. We simply have been given truth and want others to know and understand - and to be saved from sin's consequences ... death. We are compelled, with a sense of great urgency, to give the warning. And while it is often interpreted as "hate speech," it is, in reality, just the opposite. It is motivated by love, and by a tremendous desire to see them escape those consequences of their sin - just as we have. We, too, are sinners. The only difference is that we have "spread our wings," we have taken God at His Word - turned away from our sin and followed Him - and because of His higher law of life taking effect, have been saved from the consequences of our sin - death. This is not our own opinion, our own law; it is God's.
God Bless.
hmmm im not going to think of
hmmm im not going to think of this as a hate speech for many reasons. u almost sound like one of my friends named James (just a random that your guys names are the same.) and as far as what the bible used to say i knew it by heart even had to live it for five to six years being raised in a christian family and having to go to a christian school trust me i know what the bibles opinion of this situation and i still frown upon it cause its completely bias but i can't hate people who have different views them me it just seems wrong so im not going to go all pissy that your expressing yourself cause we as human beings have every right to say and show who we are. and about gays making the future brighter i guess i worded tha extremely poorly i meant more as they just seem happier and not everyone has to be gay/lesbian i meant the people who know they are should not have to be afraid to be who they are. now going on to the part that gays/lesbians have psychiatric problems is well i dont think that is something that comes along with them i think it is because they are afraid what people/friends/family will think that they will be judged poorly because of who they are. and yes i agree with the fire thing i was just trying to say yes we will all have different beliefs but that doesnt mean we should argue with each other. truthfully all i'm trying to put across is that instead of constant agruing can't we just see the world from each other's point of view instead of our own bias view. yes i know that having our own opinion makes us human beings but we need more open-minded people out in the world. its just how i beleive we should leave this world is with more open-minds then closed off. and trust me i know your speech is full of love i have heard many like it from family members who cared that me being bisexual that i won't make it through life as much as one who is straight i mean i have even been told to hide the fact because they cared about me. but just like many other people in this world i dont want to be in a coccoon of safety i want to be the butterfly out there flying without having to be afraid of someone tearing off my wings just because im different. because whoever they are they can trying tearing apart the society of gays/lesbians/bisexuals but we won't go away cause we want to fly freely just as the rest of "normal" society. and just as your speech is filled of love so is mine i have seen what happens when someone gets pushed around too much for being sexuality different it's horrible. but i dont want people to change their views because of me all i want is for them to see the world as the paradise as it is and that we all belong here not just them. (btw sorry if i spelled anything wrong or repeated myself a lot i tend to lose track of thought every now and then)
I appreciate the attitude
I appreciate the attitude behind your words. I've had many discussions with people on these type sites who are seemingly incapable of discussing an issue, making differing points, and explaining opposing views without name-calling, using attack-mode personal language, and trying to degrade and put down the other person as offensively as they can. It's quite a nice change, talking with you!
Because you're familiar with the Bible and Biblical principles, I probably won't say anything new to you. And there may be no real reason to keep "beating the drum," so to speak. I think it comes down to this question. Can absolute truth be known? If so, where is it found? Is there a Creator-God? If so, are we accountable to our Creator? And if so, does His opinion "trump" all other? But if you believe that absolute truth cannot be known, then it's back to just my opinion against your opinion. In that scenario, I can go along completely with your words. Certainly, if God's not in the picture, you have every bit as much right to your opinion and your chosen way of life as I have. My opinion, in and of itself, is worth absolutely nothing - and I certainly have NO right to impose it on anyone else. I would say with you, "yes we will all have different beliefs but that doesn't mean we should argue with each other." Plus, if God wasn't in the picture, why bother myself with it? Why put myself in a position to be disliked, hated, misunderstood, or whatever.... If God's not in the picture, surely I could find something more enjoyable to do with my time! And I would deserve every rebuke you could give for saying I'm right, and you're wrong.
I, this person I am, am NOT the right one. My ideas and opinions are just like yours ... just things that seem right to me, that I figure I've a right to. But knowing the Bible's teachings as you do, you have at least some idea of the fact that Christian people have more to consider than their own opinions. I'm listening to a song at present. It goes...
"I'm just a sinner, saved by grace. When I stood condemned to death, He took my place. Now I go and breathe in freedom. With each breath of life I take, I'm loved and forgiven, back with the living (instead of on death row). I'm just a sinner saved by grace."
If I have truly accepted God's free gift of salvation - forgiveness of my sin and peace and joy beyond my ability to describe, explain, or even understand - then life has a whole new purpose. I have a whole new reason to get up in the morning. How selfish and inexcusable it would be to not share this with others - as if it was only for me! This wonderful life - experiencing what it is to no longer be a slave to sin (unable to do anything but give in to it...), and enjoying a real and almost tangible sense of God's approval and joy in me - is meant for all people... not just me!! God loves every person He created, and He wants what is best for them - what will bring them the greatest degree of fulfillment and joy. And since He MADE us, He knows us even better than we know ourselves. As any appliance will operate better when you use the Owner's Manual, so we, too, have an "owner's manual." When used, there's a big difference!
"The old rugged cross made the difference in a life bound for heartache and defeat. I will praise Him forever and ever, for the cross made the difference for me!"
If life ever brings you to the point where your current belief and lifestyle brings you to heartache and defeat, I recommend God's plan to you. When you read the Bible with a prayer in your heart for God to explain it to you, you'll see it and understand it in ways you never did before ... no, not in all your upbringing, your church going, and your church education. You could go to church 7 days a week, read the Bible hours every day, and work hard at every commandment you could find .... and still come up empty and defeated. All of those things are mere religion. You'll never find life making sense in religion. Religion will NEVER satisfy in any way. It's not in religion, but in a relationship with the One who created you and gave you life in the first place. ONLY in that r-e-l-a-t-i-o-n-s-h-i-p will you EVER find the answers that satisfy.
I pray the day will come when you'll really look for Him. When you sincerely search for Him with your whole heart, He promises that He will be found. Put Him to the test; take him at His word. Too much is at stake to not do so!
(sorry for the very late
(sorry for the very late reply im still in high scool n could not really get to a cmputer over the summer because i have been working and babysitting but anways back to our conversation) well i never really believe that people can get anywhere in an argument if they just yell and cuss and keep getting away from the main topic so i never believed to use harsh words when getting my point across i would rather just state my opinion. and if god made us then there has to be a reason why he would let us have these feelings toward the same sex. i mean maybe he would like us to show that love should be equal because i know it is not in the bible and that im sorry if it offends you but i have read somewhere that people believed that there where once men or women who where worshipped as a being of higher power, such as god and that they had lovers of either sex because they believed that love should not be seperated. I mean even if you are a straight male or female we still have feelings of love for the same sex its just not sexually instead it as if we think they are family. and i think absolute truth can not be found until our time has come. and if there is a god then only then will we be able to ask him why are we allowed to love the way we do and if there is a right or wrong way. and maybe if this has already happened we know deep inside of us the answer to this question. and im quite curious to the song you where listening to if by chance you remember it. i listen to many different types of songs so it would not bother me what kind of music it is. hmm thats actually kinda of good way to discirbe this is to compare it to music. because most people listen to different types of music they each have a different types of music that they think is good and that they think is bad. i just wish for people people to think of all music as what it is which is beautiful just like love people think it is right or wrong but in the end it just basic love that we feel. and i think before i could go looking for god again i need to be able to forgive myself and the other people who, for lack of better terms, screwed up my life. when i do that maybe i look for him again and see the love we are told he has towards us. but truthfully im am not bias when it comes to figuring out if there is a god or not i think its best to wait til my time is come and if he can not love me uz im in love with a women like myself then i guess i can not accept as my creator. because if it is frowned upon to love someone of the same sex then why did he give us free will? but as you have said in earlier points then is just my opinion and it has been molded into this way throughtout the years because of wat has happened throughtout my life and how i view the world. truthfully im just tried of this hate that so many people show towards each other because we are different and i just want us to accept each whether or veiws are different or not. because our world does not seem completely ready to have arguments as you and i have where there is no yelling or name-calling or such things but people just saying their opinions and having a sort of respect for each other. and i still prey i just pray to god i pray to whoever is out there watching over us cuz i believe that some started the ball rolling as to say create each of us individual.
Homosexual Marriage
What's always troubled me about homosexuality in general is the seeming "let's pretend" aspect that seems to be a necessary part of it.. Homosexuals (some, anyway) seem to be saying, "Look, I may be completely physically a man (or a woman), but in my heart of hearts, I KNOW I'm a woman (or a man), so let's, everybody, pretend that I am.
I would have loved to have been a world-class champion athlete, but unfortunately I wasn't born with the necessary physical equipment. Wishing I were one doesn't automatically qualify me for an Olympic medal.
I don't know, but homosexual marriage seems to be a bit dishonest. It seems like an attempt to hijack a social institution that traditionally represents a heterosexual relationship to somehow validate a "pretend" heterosexual relationship.
I'm totally for everyone in the US having equal rights, but that does not include having to buy into someone's delusional view of him or herself, no matter how desperate they wish it were true.
The LGBT community aren't
The LGBT community aren't trying to have a pretend heterosexual marriage, in my opinion. If so, why marry someone of the same sex? They just want to marry someone they love like the heterosexuals. Just like back in the day interracial couples wanted that right to marry eachother like the white people were.
ok so this may seem a little
ok so this may seem a little different but my brother and I love each other and have a sexual relationship... We both dream that we could get married one day but it seems like a long shot however I do believe that if it was legal for two people of the same sex to get married then this could possible open the door for my brother and I so I support gay marriage..what do you think??
Seriously???? (not saying
Seriously???? (not saying this in a its-wrong-kinda-of-way but more in a im-kinda-curious-kind-of-way so dont hate me ><) i always say if your really love someone don't stop your love cause someone says it is wrong be proud of it and stop caring what society thinks. Cause that is all we do is care what other people think when we should not. yes other opinions are improtant but some people are rude in they need to understand that they are not the only type of people who live here that we are all here and we can't help who we are in love with. now serious question: are you guys blood related?? because if you guys are not at all then that could help you but if you guys are that may add some more stress to the relationship. and i am sure there is somewhere in this overly large world of ours that you guys can probably get married.
Historical Definition of Marriage
I often hear SSM opponents claim that marriage has *always* been defined as a union between one man and one woman. If this is so, then how do they treat/explain away the passages in the Bible where it explicitly contemplates marriage as a union between one man and *multiple* women? Here are some examples:
1) And Lamech took unto him two wives.Genesis 4:19.
2) Elkanah ... had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah. 1 Samuel 1:1-2
3) Solomon ... had seven hundred wives ... and three hundred concubines. 1 Kings 11:2-3
4) But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives. 2 Chronicles 13:21
5) Jehoiada took for him two wives. 2 Chronicles 24: 3
If marriage has *always* been defined as a union between one man and one woman, then how should I understand these passages? Should I believe that the Bible is wrong in implying that marriage has *sometimes* been a union between one man and multiple women? Or should I believe that the historical claim advanced by SSM opponents is simply false? Which is it?
Polygamy and the Bible
There are many things in the Bible, including rape, murder, marriage, victorious armies, defeated armies, lust, and adultery; however, just because these things are IN the Bible doesn't mean God defines them as right. Yes, marriage between a man and multiple women is shown in the Bible, but it is NEVER defined as being right, normal, and good. If God believed it good for man to dwell with multiple, he would have created him multiple women! Yet, only Eve came from the rib (Genesis 2:24 never states multiplicity). There are many consequences the Bible shows in the lives of men who chose to take multiple wives, such as extreme jealously between Leah and Rachel (wives of Jacob, Abraham's grandson). Also, it is interesting to notice that the ONLY people who were saved from the destruction of the flood (Noah and his family) all had only one wife. The polygamous relationship Abraham had with Hagar and Sarah led to the beginning of the biggest enemy of the Jewish people - the Muslims. Actually, the Bible commands the Kings of Israel that he could not "multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away."
So, yes, polygamy is in the Bible. But it NEVER implies that such relationships are righteous, nor condones it. In fact, only gives many warnings against it.