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Do We Still Need Affirmative Action?
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Affirmative Action is a Critical Tool
At the Civil Rights Project we commissioned research and published
five books related to this topic. We are convinced that the Supreme
Court was correct in finding that racial diversity was a compelling interest of colleges and universities, that it added depth and understanding to the education of all students, that it creates critical opportunities for students of color who have been denied
equal preparation by inferior segregated schools, and that it prepares
students to live and work successfully in multiracial communities as
well as strengthens leadership in our major institutions and in
our public life.
For an in-depth look at the current status of racial equity in higher
education in a state system, see our new report, BUILDING ON SUCCESS,
reporting what the state of Kentucky has accomplished and the reasons
why affirmative action remains essential in creating equal opportunity for higher education. This and other research can be found at
civilrightsproject.ucla.edu.
- Gary Orfield
October 27, 2008 3:01PM
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Affirmative action is forced racism
. Affirmative action is racism. This is a form or racial quotas---found in all sorts of evil societies - Communist Russia, Nazi Germany...these 'civil rights' so obviously racist its almost silly to argue. To give rights to private property to some, but no to others, based on ancestry, or genetics, or color - is pure racism and pure evil. Any man or institution that gives this un-earned advantage to a group does not deserve rights him or herself.
- selfish November 18, 2008 7:06PM
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More Equal Citizens2
In another discussion...
Society: "Can the Obama presidency end racism in America?"
The discussion drifted off topic and am (dual) posting a reply here.
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RE: "if no one captured stats on people's race or heritage, we might never know if..."
"...some people who want to keep tabs on stuff like that."
"That would be an important thing to know..."
Why?
How about if these "stats" were completely done away with, then...
"with the same grades and standardized tests scores"
...would really mean something and the truly qualified would be selected
All it does is perpetuate the divide and make some citizens more equal than others.
For higher education-after meeting/exceeding entry scores,the only Q's should be:
Are you an American citizen?
Are you a resident of said state/county?
...which are used for tuition costs
Then can apply to 3rd party organizations for tuition assistance based on ethnicity and other criteria.
The schools are in business to educate their students for the betterment of society.
I've heard that the Obama campaign has "lots" of money leftover and it's being given as
bonus's to the staffers. Why not being given to/starting up 3rd party org for educational
opportunities of said individuals?
RE: "With no way to measure racism..."
Believe your confusing race/color of skin with ethnicity/heritage.
Just because I'm of Polish/Italian heritage... does not indicate the color of my skin
Racism/sexisim/etc is illegal and all stats pertaining to should also be.
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This is all "needed" for equal opportunities argument...
I went to:
...a public grade school
...a public high school
...a public 2yr tech college on the GI bill
I'm now classified by the incoming administration as "rich" (based on some arbitrary
income amount)...
Now tell me how many others in this nation do not have the same opportunities that I had/used?
I spent my time and energy, as an individual, on working and getting an education...
...not mislead/deceived by the rhetoric that this race/heritage requires this and
deserves that. Each individual makes their own "bed".
Like the current automaker bailout debate...
...Temporary help is earned, not permanently blindly given
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To this topic... as stated in multiple previous posts-
for higher education, it's the preparation, roles models and K-12 system at fault.
The symptoms are still trying to be fixed, after how many years?, and not the actual "illness".
- Joe6Pack
November 24, 2008 8:33PM
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Discussion Moved
Look I was arguing that I think it makes sense to keep track of people's race and heritage so we know if any discrimination is happening or not.
That's the type of data that would really help me understand how/if Affirmative Action is working or not.
In general, I believe that in the US, everyone should have an equal opportunity. When that's happening, we don't need programs. When that's not happening we need to be aware. Personally, I think that the type of racism that used to exist, where qualified candidates were getting turned away based on their race has really declined. The inequality we see now is that people who are poorer tend not to have the same opportunities. The way to combat that in my opinion is to improve public schools and make sure that standardized tests and teachers are as unbiased as possible.
- GreenLove
November 25, 2008 11:19AM
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A critical tool, like a hammer when fixing a car.
So, you say that affirmative action is a "critical tool". That "it added depth and understanding to the education of all students, that it creates critical opportunities for students of color who have been denied equal preparation by inferior segregated schools". Are you still claiming that schools are segregated? That Whites are given more than Blacks? Where are these segregated schools, I can never seem to find them.
Oh well, I am happy to see that collages and universities are considering my overall well being by hoping to submerge me in "depth" and "understanding of education". I was unaware that all it took was an African American, an Asian American, a Hispanic, or Native American to bring this about (and here I thought that it actually took a mind, somebody who truly gained their value and worth). That must be it. Why would a collage do use affirmative action if not for this? Grants? Funding? Donations? No, heavens no.
Tell me, do you believe that a government official (we'll say the President) should make the same as a custodian? Clearly one has done MUCH MORE work than that of the other, has strived and toiled to achive what they currently have. Should the rewards (payment) be the same? What is it that you believe in?
- ckidwell7098
March 9, 2009 4:23PM
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MudEngineeer
Affirmative Action has caused an entire generation of Blacks to go to school and not even try to excel because they knew that they would be able to get a job no matter what because of this law . Affirmative Action has done more to hold back Black people than almost anything else that I can imagine other than using and selling drugs. Get rid of this law and help people to be the best that they can be and you will get much better results!
- MudEngineeer
May 20, 2009 7:53PM
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Not really
I think the days of affirmative action should end. I feel that as long as affirmative action exists as it does today, then there will always be problems because it serves only to be a constant reminder of the past. We must move past the past and let bygones be bygones, if people would only see others as humans instead of colors, things would be much better, but affirmative action is only pointing out the differences of peoples color. Affirmative action had its time and place, but it is now obsolete.
- rkm
October 9, 2009 12:00PM
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Affirmative Action Approbation
Affirmative Action is a solution to the growing disparity of economic inequality between blacks and whites. Simply put, it is essentially a lawsuit , atonement of the transgressions of white slave owners, which have greatly contributed to this economic disparity. I have never benefited from affirmative action myself nor do, I know of anyone who has as well. Nevertheless, I do not think affirmative action is sufficient in terms of retribution, but it is a necessity and it is a start.
Civil rights programs, during the reconstruction era, helped African Americans become full citizens of the United States. The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution abolished slavery. Emancipated slaves searched for families and jobs , most former slaves, without land or resources, became laborers.
Freed slaves were making progress-building schools , teachers’ trained and black politicians elected to office. However, these gains vanquished after southern whites took back political power. The Black Codes of 1865 was a unique attempt for white southerners to maintain the way of life prior to the civil war. Meaning that while slaves were free, they were restricted and opportunities limited.
The Fourteenth Amendment guaranteed equal protection under the law , which also meant to protect the rights of newly freed slaves in the South, limit the participation of ex-Confederate leaders in government , and guarantee the payment of debt. President Abraham Lincoln promised the freed slaves 40 acres and a mule. Nevertheless, President Andrew Johnson revoked that promise.
The Fifteenth Amendment forbids racial discrimination in access to voting . The 1866 Civil Rights Act guarantees every citizen “the same right to make and enforce contracts…as is enjoyed by white citizens…” The Ku Klux Klan was a white underground terrorist group, which created a wave of terror. Threaten violence, bullying , lynching, setting fire to buildings and murdering blacks. The KKK would not accept black people as equals. Their beliefs were that whites were superior to blacks and as a result, many blacks did not register to vote and kept away from white areas.
Blacks were entitled to receive the same public services as mandated by the “separate but equal” doctrine. In June of 1892, blacks were required to sit in a black-only railroad car. Homer Plessy arrested and thrown in a New Orleans jail, a black man, for sitting in a whites-only car. In one of the most shameful decisions ever issued by the United States Supreme Court, PLESSY V. FERGUSON. Segregation was insult enough, but the suggestion that such an oppressive policy was, in part, meant for an oppressed race benefit was galling in its dishonesty. Therefore, Homer Plessy lost his petition in the courts; Plessy would not receive equal treatment with whites in America.
President John Kennedy first used the term, “affirmative action”, in 1961. He required that all federal contractors "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed… without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin." President Lyndon Johnson reinforced this obligation by Executive Order in 1965 by requiring “goals and timetables.” However, political pressure forced Johnson to retract this demand. Nevertheless, in 1969, President Richard Nixon revived the idea in the "Philadelphia Order" aimed at increasing minority membership in the city's construction trades, and in 1970, he extended the requirement to all private companies with a federal government contract.
Meanwhile, the courts were turning to the use of quotas in order to break racial barriers when other methods proved ineffective. For example, in 1970 Alabama State Troopers did not employ a single black trooper. A federal court ordered the state agency to develop a plan for the recruitment and hiring of African Americans. After Eighteen-months (18), still there were no black troopers. Therefore, the court ordered the hiring of one African American for every white trooper hired until blacks constituted 25% of the force.
Families pass their wealth down to their children . In turn, their hope is that their children will be successful and can pass wealth down to the next generation, and so on. Some white people understand the complexities of black people struggles in that racism manifests itself on many levels. Black people know that the system is compromising them in ways that they could never imagine. In an effort to right a wrong of the past treatment of blacks, various policies were enacted or created. The thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth amendments and other civil rights policies were to make blacks “whole” again.
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October 11, 2009 4:33PM
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