The clash between gay activists and proponents of traditional society seem to grow more heated with every headline. While those in the gay and lesbian community insist that their way of life is perfectly natural and entitles them to equal rights, there are others who contend that the homosexual lifestyle is merely a choice that can be overcome, or even cured. Is same-sex interest a learned trait, or is it all in the genetic makeup?
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Okay the thing I really don't understand is why there is even a clash in the first place.. Everyone has their own "homo" experience at least once in their life. I am a happy gay man who is proud to be who I am.... All you haters can go away.
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"We know that the Law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the Law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers- and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." (1Timothy 10:8-11 NIV) Choose a side. One may be on the side of sin or on the side of morality and righteous living. I choose morality and I find that I fall short all of the time. I sin! It is up to me to repent and stand for that which is the opposite of sin, morality. It is not my law but God's. I only follow, or at least try to. I ask that society tries as well. That means you, too. It is scary to think what will happen to our society if we simply say "it is natural" and it should be allowed. It is a scary thought, where we may end up, if we all say it is okay. God judges society as well as the individual. Look at Israel from the Old Testament, always messing up and always dealing with God's wrath. Do you want that? I don't hate you if you are homosexual. I just ask that you respect the Lord. It's in all of our best interest, if you do.
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Like eye color, hair color, etc. It is because it is.
I am short. Others not so much.
I like Brussels sprouts. Others do not.
I like asparagus. Others do not.
I prefer a medium rare steak. Others prefer well done.
I prefer my eggs over easy. Others prefer an omelet.
And why? Because that is just the way it is.
And in the whole scheme of things, it is trivial.
We spend (waste) so much time on this topic. It's like wondering why the sun rises in the East.
That just the way it is.
We are seemingly surrounded by violence. Murderers. Rapists. Those who end or permanently scar the lives of others. Yet our society is so enticed by this topic of gay. I just don't get it.
I'm just gonna go eat my Brussels sprouts.
i DO with all my heart believe that people are born gay, its not a gene that can be inherited.. but its a known fact. you know when your gay, its the fiber of your being. when gay, you automatically think different than your peer about a man or a woman. you cant help what your attracted to. & saying that its a choice is somewhat correct, a choice is what you prefer, how you like something. & if its a man rather than a woman who are we as a society to tell someone what they like is wrong?
Several years ago, I used to like to sit in front of the TV and eat chocolate ice cream doused with condensed milk right out of a can. Today, though I think I might still like it, I don't. Why? I think I have passed the length of time that ice cream eating era was going to last. My point?
If a man likes women, then one day decides that he likes men, who cares? This over-analyzing this issue does more harm than good. The bottom line should be that regardless of your taste, or where it came from, you simply have the right to decide what it is you like and not have to sit around trying to explain it away or analyzing the reason for it.
I just wrote a comment about religion where I said it was losing to atheism. This gay thing is nothing more than religion on its last leg. Fighting a moral battle against the gays is going to rush its demise. People should be free to do as they please, like what and whom they please, and we should leave well enough alone and concentrate on living our own lives. If you don't like being gay, then that should be enough, don't be one. But what gives anyone the right to decide that what you like is wrong or right? It should be a moot point because it actually is.
And does it even matter?
What does it matter if a person is born gay or not? It makes not a bit of difference. What's next? Were you born liking that Toyota or did you change after you crashed your motorcycle?
The fact is, that whether a person was born to it or whether they developed a taste for it and the circumstances under which these tastes developed are going to differ from person to person. And no study is ever going to pinpoint the reason for tastes. Just as no one can tell the level of pain we feel when injured.
Why do we feel a need to justify and rationalize something so simple as taste? If you like someone, or something, it should be enough for you to decide how to proceed. Of course, if you have the bible thumping bug, this creates all sorts of problems, even if we're not talking sex.
When things are over analyzed like this. It should be irrelevant whether gay people are born that way or not. Are there any studies that talk about whether straight people are born straight? How important is this finding? The simple truth of the matter is that people should be free to decide what their sexual preference is at any time in their life, it's not like it hurts anyone.
I am clicking on Uncommitted because I don't care.
Since homosexuals cannot breed the alleged gene cannot be passed.
People are NOT born honosexual.
Sorry, this is a wrong view of genetics. How do you think genetic illnesses that kill a fetus are ever passed? You need to open a basic genetics textbook instead of going with your gut.
I don't see why it matters whether or not homosexuality has any genetic base or not.
I was talking to a French friend of mine who was telling me that in France the gay -rights movement tries to promote the idea that being gay is a choice (and that it's prejudiced to treat it like a genetic disease), whereas in the US the gay-rights movement tries to argue that it is genetic (and that it's prejudiced to treat it like a degenerate lifestyle choice).
The point is that homosexuality is as old as time, and it is nothing more than a loving relationship between two consenting adults. It is just one more way that the human species forms lasting social bonds.
People might argue that it is "unnatural", but then again, there are many things humans do that is "unnatural": cooking food , flying in airplanes, taking medicine , painting fingernails. Just because something doesn't have a genetic base doesn't mean it shouldn't exist (by that logic, all culture shouldn't exist).
If the answer to the question of gays being born that way is ever proven, the next question will be how can it be cured?
Are your really sure you want this question answered?
Of course gays are born that way. However, there are also the cases of shame where a child has been abused and that turns them to the way of a gay life. What about the blacks , on some show 20/20 or one of those, that had a story about the title "going down" these men will spend a night, or a weekend having gay sex , but bulk at the suggestion they are gay. This was only about the black male, no one else. People suggesting that they are too strong to have that type of sex, or to be gay. What else are they if they spend nights and weekends having gay sex. Then go home to their families, wives (poor wife ). It's also been reported in the papers that black men have more cases of aids than any other race .
There are also cases of people who decide to turn to the gay life, but aren't gay. Baloney if they prefer that type of sex then they're gay. Leonard de Vinci, Michelanglo were gay men, there have been gay people since the world began, and if God didn't give this life style to them, why are there so many thru out the ages? It might be that the Catholic Church who first quoted God as saying gays are not to be allowed in church . Oh maybe those queer priests didn't want the competition and wrote that it was wrong to be gay. It is impossible that God let so many people have that life style, and then he said it was wrong. NOPE, it's the churches who made it sound wrong, and forced that opinion down our throats.
When there is a hormonal imbalance during development, sometimes babies can be born with more hormones of the opposite sex than they are supposed to have, causing the person to have the same feelings and mental thoughts of the opposite sex.
I think everyone is born without sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is developed as likes and dislikes are established. Everyone would be bi-sexual if society didn't drive them into pigeon holes
Genes do not determine nearly as much as some people claim. Environment is much more impacting. And even if there is a gay gene, that dose not mean that all people who are gay have it, or that all people that have it are gay.
I also think that people who get " sex changes" are no different from people who get nose jobs or face lifts. If you ant to mutilate your genitals and pump yourself full of hormones, go for it. But don't try and tell me you are a woman , your not. Male/Female roles are so strongly imposed on everyone, that men who are not masculine become confused and think they must be women . Phrases like "be a man", and making your child play football when they want to dance or sing, or making a big deal about masculine/feminine style of dress cause severe emotional.damage.
If a gay man and a gay woman have a baby together (artificial insemination), what are the chances that the child will be gay, even if raised by strait parents?
This reason for the Gay explosion in recent years seems to be caused by chemicals in our food and water . If chemicals have caused this problem then maybe some other chemical (antidote?) will be able to cure it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8361863.stm
You are merely an uninformed layperson drawing fallacious conclusions based on incorrect stereotypes. Let's get one thing straight (no pun intended): there is no reason to believe that being feminine makes a man gay . Not only are there plenty of masculine gay men, but there are also straight men who are feminine. Nowhere in the article were LGBT issues mentioned, and rightfully so; gender nonconformity and being gay are not one in the same.
Further, you show your true prejudice and hate by stating that gay people should be "cured". I was completely unaware that anyone could be cured when there is nothing wrong with him or her. Perhaps you should mind your own business instead of trying to harm productive members of society with your bigoted agenda.
First, homosexual behavior is natural. It's observable in a variety of animal species and in all human cultures, even where it's punished.
Second, some people also simply choose same-sex lovestyles for their own reasons which may not be rooted in genetics at all.
Third, adherence to Old Testament laws (or those of any other religious orientation that condemns homosexuality ) is a personal choice, and should never be forced upon anyone who does not wish to accept it. Majoritarianism in this area is completely inappropriate.
Whether or not people are born gay is beside the point.
Most important in the areas of law and democratic social relations, homosexuals are thinking human beings and therefore have rights. Rights to privacy, to love whomever will love them in return, and to pursue their own best happiness as much so as you and I do, whether the neighbors or any mythical "majority" like it or not. Rights are inherent and not subject to another's approval, though laws can be used to violate those rights.
And yes, they have the inherent right (and should have the legal right) to contractually and emotionally bind themselves to another, i.e. to marry, though these inherent rights, among others, are violated all over the world. "Defense of Marriage" laws are forms of cultural bullying .
If you don't approve of homosexuality, be hetero.
On a broad scale, Americans are not intellectually equipped to deal with scientific questions. Politically speaking, the genetic question is irrelevant. The civic question is: Are Americans born free?
The answer from those who would restrict the rights of other citizens based upon an imperfect understanding of science is: "No." Our opponents have no faith in facts; they are in fact, indifferent to data; in fact, they routinely deny science. This is not a debate; this is what they have made it; it is "a culture war ." By every measure of my humanity, I say that those who would disrespect other people's liberty in the service of their own fantasies, must be defeated.
The basic question is: Is America a nation at war — enslaved to Fundamentalist Christian delusions, or are we a pluralistic people who are free to live at peace in a civil society where citizens treat one another with respect? That question remains undecided.
I think people are born sexual.
And preference is caused by a lot of factors.
So no..I really don't think people are born gay.
But do I condemn people for it? Not really..
It will be good if we ever do find the answers.
Even if you believe people are born with homosexual tendencies, you should also accept that they can control and check their physical urges. Just because I get angry, does not mean I should act outwardly on that anger and take someone's life. Why not chose to avoid acting on the temptations of same-sexual encounters? We can train pedophiles and alcoholics to avoid their urges, but they first must accept their problem. The societal, moral and health implications of homosexuality are well documented. Sodomy is the simply the greatest sin of all (there's a great book with that title, by the way).
The gay "lifestyle" is nothing but a lifestyle, an outrageous and flamboyant and radical "lifestyle" at that. The array of perverse clothing styles, the lacivious behaviors, the sodomy, the public displays of fornication-- it is all a package of rebellion against society and one's parents. Yes, it gets you attention in your small worlds as a youth, but what happens when these people grow up and find they're stuck in the gay lifestyle as adults? Acting gay trains the mind in the most wrong-headed of ways to embrace all sorts of "anything goes" societal agendas. No wonder we find that so many of them support the democrat party without reason.
On the other hand, Christianity and the joys of Jesus Christ can bring greater moral fulfillment in the soul. I have worked with many people challenged by the enticement of male encounters and they are always gratified when instead they welcome Jesus Christ as their own personal Savior. What does gay sex lead to? A life of solitude, inability to achieve intimacy and family and parenthood, the worst kinds of social circles and disgraceful clothing choices, etc. etc.
1. Do not recommend your own comments; it makes one look like a huge tool.
2. How many homosexuals from various walks of life do you regularly acquaint with? 0? 1? 2? My point here is that your second paragraph shows utterly extreme ignorance. If you actually befriended the average homosexual you would indeed find that they are just as normal as any other average person--aside from what happens behind closed doors (which shouldn't matter to you anyway). You are flat out wrong in thinking that homosexuality leads to "perverse clothing styles, 'lacivious' behaviors, and public displays of fornication."
Absolutely! One Is Born Gay,It Is NOT Learned. I Have Heterosexual Parents,Where Did I Learn It From? I've Known Since I Was In The 4th Grade,All My Friends Parents Were/Are Straight,My Teachers Were Straight,Etc. There Was An Article In Time From 1993 That Stated A Gene Has Been Found On The Mother's Side That Contributes To A Person Being Gay. Question: IF IT'S A CHOICE: WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO STAND OUT THIS WAY;BE SO DIFFERENT AMONG THEIR PEERS,ETC.,UNLESS THEY TRUELY WERE GAY? Why Should Someone Have To Conform To Fit In,What Business Is It Of Anyone Else,Who A Person Sleeps With,As Long As It's Two Consenting Adults?! Trying To Make A Gay Person Straight,Would Be Like Trying To Make A Straight Person,Gay! Can A Leopard Change Their Spots?
People take this topic way too seriously. I am not gay and the thought never crossed my mind. When I see gay men smooching in public and women openly displaying affection, sometimes to the excess of good taste, it makes me shake my head. Nevertheless, after reading these posts, it is a hot topic among many. It's nothing new either if you chose to believe history.
As to rights, why not? I don't get the tattoo thing either and that makes me shake my head, too. But will I write my congress person to pass legislation demanding a tattoo disclosure on marriage licenses and tax returns? Not a chance. I try to be objective and blindfold myself to prejudice which, after all, is a visual matter.
So what if they want their rights? Who gets hurt? Divorce attorneys will love it, it will diffuse antiquated religious precepts of Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin archetypes, and will possibly get gays off the liberal bandwagon. We need to dispense with politics and find an independent who can keep gays from helping to re-elect Obama just because he isn't one of those archetypes.
Gays are smart, they earn money , shun entitlement and just want to be what they are, or what they have become, either by accident or design. Why they lean left is caused by the religious indoctrination and the political nonsense of the present day. If you're gay and live in California, look around you. Liberals are not your friends, they just use you for all of the above.
> Couldn't care less
That you cannot be bothered to exercise your rights in defend the truth sets us one step closer to a fall of Rome repeat.
You're reading must be as bad as your writing. You didn't even get my meaning.
In discussing this matter with a rather large group of heterosexual couples at a recent social gathering, none of us could ever recall making a choice regarding our sexuality. At no time during adolescence or adulthood were we "inclined" or "tempted" or even "curious" about what it might be like to be gay.
Our sexual preferences seemed to us to be as innate as is our preference for food when we haven't eaten, or for water when we're thirsty. However, for the sake of argument, let's assume that there may be people who decide on their sexuality like they decide on their profession (e.g., "I've decided to be a doctor , but haven't decided whether I want to be a gay doctor or a straight doctor).
The laws of this country deprive gays of some pretty basic human rights (i.e., to marry the person you love), and there is immense social stigma to being gay -- even to the degree that overt hatred of gays is socially acceptable in many parts of the country. Therefore, if you have a choice, why would anyone voluntarily choose to put him/herself in such a difficult legal and social environment ? The folks in the group I mentioned decided very quickly that none of us would like to become the object of religious denunciation and social derision - even violence - if it could be avoided.
To claim that millions of people make the choice to go that route simply defies logic. If you can choose to be gay, you can also choose to be straight. One option will be painful in countless ways if you remain in the U.S., the other choice offers you automatic social acceptance and support . If you are not born a social pariah, why would you decide to forfeit all the attendant benefits of being straight and choose the difficult path? There are lots of gay people who try to solve this dilemma by getting married or otherwise "acting straight." A few such members of congress have been outed in recent years. However, I've never heard of a straight person posing as a gay man or lesbian in order to camouflage or deny his/her heterosexuality.
> If you can choose to be gay , you can also choose to be straight.
The choice is to be not-straight. One is already straight. Deviation is the preference.
When will you Yanks learn to accept homosexuality as normal and natural? In Canada, this debate was over 10 years ago, and we have come to accept gay people as they are. America lags behind the rest of the world on social issues. Race is a prime example. Yes, I'm gay, and thank God I live in Canada!!!
When will you learn that your whim cannot effect reality?
If homosexuality were normal there would be no outcry.
If homosexuality were natural there would be genetic evidence: there is zero.
> we have come to accept gay people as they are
why?
It is inappropriate to be tolerance of evil actions.
> America lags behind the rest of the world on [socialism]
Hooray! America still represents justice in a Godly nation.
> Race is a prime example..
..of wanton irrationality. we are all human.
> thank God I live in Canada
Amen!
don't go together nor do two vaginas. People who "believe" they were born gay need to come to know God. If you say there is no God then you are foolish there too. Just look around you everything that is what it is couldn't of been some accident. God had no intentions on having same sex relationships. Go get some Scientific facts about Sodom and Gamora (i think i botched the spelling) They will fall in-line with the scripyure, but you won't see that cause you are being decieved by all the sin. I'm pretty sure any other Christian would agree with me. Remember this is coming from a person that did practice homosexuality , but choose not follow in that path.
I'm gay, I was born gay - I'm emotionally and physically attracted to the same-sex and I have always been and always will be. A high number of people simply don't understand homosexuality , and most refuse to even want to understand. I believe lots of people choose to believe that gay is a choice as its then easier for them to be prejudiced towards gays and lesbians.
I don't think they are born gay. I think it's a problem parents overlook.
How is it a problem? It's not. Also: parenting has absolutely nothing to do with it. You cannot choose your sexuality or have it influenced (i.e.: out of spite). Your physical attractions remain whether or not you consciously choose to hate the opposite gender, and who you are physically attracted to is what makes up your sexuality, therefore your sexuality can't be chosen.
Just as with about every personal preference, homosexuality is, according to current science , determined both by genes as well as one's surroundings and socialisation.
Everyone is latently homosexual. It is a sociological deviance.Homosocial societies are likely to engender it.I personally have found that leaving home at fourteen is the only common experience among homosexuals.or a home so disfunctional that school can not be continued for the child.It is not a sin or a crime or a disease, but it becomes a mental disease when the homosexual learns what his/ her position in society is.Heterosexuals think they're queer and hate them and homosexuals hate them back.Also it becomes a crime if you commit a crime because of it.
Simply put, a conclusion that is as extreme as yours, "everyone is latently homosexual", is in its nature tenuous. Beyond that, you are citing suspect or just plainly false evidence to support that conclusion. Finally, you wrap up with a circular argument.
Please try again.
I presented no evidence. Everyone can perform homosexuality : therefore, it is latent in all.That's what latent means. possible in all below the surface, no change or sickness or mental disease is required. Homosexuality is a deviation from normal,Homosexuality is normal,(we can all do it) but heterosexuality is more normal.Homosexuality pops up when men are isolated together,in armies, religions, prisons , boats adrift at sea.
You are equivocating. You are talking about the potential of performing an act and then switching usage of the word "homosexual" to mean being attracted to people of the same sex. This is not your only flaw though it is an obvious and fatal flaw...
Just to help you out a bit these are the three definitions of sexuality.
(1) Sexuality as it pertains to reproduction
(2) Sexuality as it pertains to gender
(3) Sexuality as it pertains to attraction
But none of this matters, in order to have an argument you must have evidence, I guess you just admitted you did not pose an argument. I'm sorry to have bothered you.
The definition of sexuality:
1) the quality or state of being sexual
2) the condition of having sex
4) sexual activity
5) expression of sexual receptivity or interest
None of those require reproduction.
There is a good deal of evidence to support the idea that sexuality is not a binary state, but rather a spectrum with regards to hetero / homo attractions. The most prominent evidence for this is the manner in which homosexual aspects can manifest among nominally heterosexual population.
First off, being sexual, having sex , sexual activity and sexual interest all have to do with reproduction...
Now you stated something very important, you said: "Require" reproduction... You are completely correct, reproduction is not a necessary condition for sexuality... I never said it was, therefore, your comment was irrelevant. I said that sexuality is connected to reproduction, gender and attraction. My three statements summarize your 5 definitions of sexuality, and your stating those 5 is therefore banal...
I have organized my 3 definitions of sexuality as I did to attempt to facilitate discussion on this matter.
Again, and finally, any discussion about homosexuals , marriage etc all must discuss how one person is attracted to another and nothing else. One must avoid equivocation.
Reproduction is the result of sexual activity between two fertile individuals of the opposite gender. But one can still be sexual, and perform sexual activities with those that they are not fertile with (such as actions between individuals of the same gender). Homosexuality provides ample evidence that that the sole purpose of sexuality is not reproduction.
> None of those require reproduction.
New being requires reproduction
> Homosexuality provides ample evidence that
homosexuals cannot reproduce therefore no gene transmission.
However the sole purpose of sexual activity is not reproduction... Indeed many enjoy sexual activity without reproducing.
Homosexuality may not enable gene transmission, but it still crops up in the general population... As I pointed out the existence of homosexuality shows that there is more to sex then reproduction.
You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. At no time did I say that the sole purpose of sexuality is reproduction... Please quote me saying that.
Yes, of course. They choose to go against any ridiculous moral attitude by risking their lives (or only their friends, or their jobs ).
For hundreds, if not thousands of years, they were discriminated against in many societies, they were punished, tortured, burned, killed just for loving somebody of the same sex.
And why did they love someone of the same sex? Because they love the risk. They are real risk hunters, and they dream about to die, or at least to be beaten up or punished. Admit it, come on: YOU ALSO LOVE THE RISK - GO GAY AND TRY HOW MUCH FUN IT IS!!!!