Violence Never the Answer for Advancing Animal Rights

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Dear Colleagues:

Unfortunately, there are people who identify themselves as animal advocates who claim that the solution to the problem of animal exploitation is violence.

Some of these people have actually engaged in acts of violence against institutional exploiters. Others incite acts of violence by calling on people to use “intimidation” against animal exploiters or to make animal exploiters “fearful” of retaliatory violence.

Putting aside the moral/spiritual aspects of violence, those who promote violence are deeply confused about the basic economics of animal exploitation. Institutional users engage in animal exploitation because the public demands it. Institutional users are, for the most part, indifferent to whether they are selling beef or bananas. They will put their capital wherever they’ll get the best return.

Most people regard animal use as “normal” in the same sense that breathing and drinking water are considered as “normal.” They demand animal products. If you destroy ten slaughterhouses today, as long as demand remains, ten more slaughterhouses will be built or ten existing ones will expand production (and probably make production more economically efficient). If you shut down a supplier of animals used for vivisection, and the public continues to support vivisection, which it clearly does, then another supplier will emerge. So as a purely practical matter, violence is a strategy that cannot work.

As long as animal use is regarded as normal and as not raising a fundamental moral question, nothing will ever change. But we are not going to get people to think about animal use through intimidation, fear, and acts of violence. Education, if it is to be effective, can never be violent; it can never seek to intimidate or make people fearful. It must open their hearts and their minds. The non-violent strategy is anything but passive; it involves our working actively, constantly, and creatively to shift a fundamental paradigm—the notion that animals are things, resources, property; that they are exclusively means to human ends.

And it is clear that our efforts to educate are working. There is a dialogue emerging about the use of animals that goes beyond questions of “humane” treatment. There is a constant stream of stories about how people are becoming increasingly aware of the moral schizophrenia that characterizes the human/non-human relationship.

Those who advocate violence are not only confused about basic economic issues, but they are hindering this progress because they provide an easy target that gives people an excuse to dismiss the issue of animal exploitation. In this respect, the pro-violence people are similar to those who promote sexism.

Would Martin Luther King have campaigned for civil rights, claiming “I’d rather go naked than sit in the back of the bus”?

Of course not.

Would King or Gandhi have urged us to “intimidate” others and to make others “fearful” that they were going to become victims of violence?

Of course not.

Sometimes, when I see some of the things that the pro-violence people say or do (or when I see a video with a woman stripping “for the animals”), I shake my head and wonder what people could do that could be worse in terms of getting the public to take this issue seriously. Indeed, it seems that these people are trying to sabotage meaningful change.

For further discussion of these issues, listen to the Commentary I did on this subject, or read A Comment on Violence, More on Violence and Animal Rights, and On Violence and Vivisection, all of which are on this site.

I also discuss the issue of violence in my forthcoming book, which I co-authored with Dr. Robert Garner, The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation?, which will be published by Columbia University Press in May 2010.

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Rotten judas's picture

Great excuse to do nothing but whine on podcasts. Duck behind a love for peace and be complicit to killers by not disrupting their killing. Activists once wished Francione would give half as tough a sermon toward the killers. Now they wish he'd come out of the big ag closet.

At the end of last year, an indigenous girl was burned alive by laughing loggers in Brazil. She was only eight. The loggers made an example out of her to the tribes that refuse to give up their homes in the jungle. Turn the other cheek and love the loggers for they know not what they do. Be punctual for the potluck.

Activists are defenders of the oppressed. They will not snuggle up to killers and excuse killing. Activists advocate one thing. Defend life from actual violence.

Gary L Francione's picture

Dear All:

I am glad that my essay stimulated a large number of comments.

Thanks for participating.

Gary L. Francione
Professor, Rutgers University
www.AbolitionistApproach.com

Crow's picture

It's hard to continue to participate when people keep making blanket (and incorrect) statements, such as yours: "...those who promote violence are incapable of rational discussion."

Throughout this conversation, you have demonstrated that you are unwilling to distinguish violence from vandalism, and you have shown complete unwillingness to understand how smashing something evil may good in itself. It's really a very simple concept that almost all human beings understand.

But you did not come here to learn from anybody. You did not come here to promote conversation.

You came here to preach, and to rub your ego all over the Internet. Professor? Author? Expert? I guess it's not your fault that you aren't listening to anybody. Apparently your brain is already full.

Markv's picture

C'mon people, we are on the same team! Let's be respectful and considerate and not think we have all the answers - we don't. Bashing other advocates with rudeness, disrespect, and condescension is verbal violence . And it is violence directed at fellow advocates that are doing what they feel is best for the animals . So while many of you sit here on this thread in your usual condescending, disrespectful, and rude manner bash these people that think differently than you- saying they haven’t thought it through, lack basic understanding and knowledge that you possess, are taking the easy way out, etc.- You are being hypocritical: you regularly engage in violence against fellow animal advocates. Yes, it is good and healthy to criticize, evaluate, and discuss (although many of you certainly can’t take what you give), but the awful condescending manner in which many of you are doing it is not only unproductive, but downright rude and ostracizing –not the way to build a cause (within animal advocacy or on the street).

(1) respect, (2) understanding, (3) compassion, (4) tact, and (5) patience are the important to vegan education AND dealing with other animal advocates. Using these "techniques" does not mean compromising on the moral issue. I don’t think I have all the answers or have special powers to “know” what works best for animals. I just have my experience and what I have learned from others.

For the animals,
Mark

LiveVegan's picture

Mark

You wrote: "Let's be respectful and considerate and not think we have all the answers - we don't. Bashing other advocates with rudeness, disrespect, and condescension is verbal violence ."

Did someone possess your body and write "Response to Elizabeth, etc" with its ad hominem attack or was that you?

Markv's picture

-scroll up, way up. It was Elizabeth that mentioned my name while continuing the discussion I started concerning approach. So I responded with more discussion of approach. Thus, not ad hominem.

LiveVegan's picture

Mark,

I read Elizabeth Collins' response to you --"Abolitionist vegan education is the way to go" which is a response to your comment to Prof. Francione. Unless you are referring to another comment to you by Elizabeth then please direct me to it.

As far as I can see, all she said to YOU was that she hoped you were not one of those people who call non- vegans "corpse-munchers" when talking to them. You must know there are people who refer to nonvegans that way. Elizabeth Collins said she hoped you were not one of those people. She did NOT say that you were. She doesn't know you and did not presume.

You than came back with a lot of condescension about Elizabeth's lack of experience, compared to your wealth of it. You basically accused her of "only writing blogs", and being moralistically self-righteous as an approach while doing abolitionist vegan outreach. That is a personal attack against her ( ad hominem). It is also placing street outreach as more important and more effective than online outreach. So it is also an attack on those who engage in online abolitionist vegan education only. You have no idea how many of the public are reached and changed by online vegan outreach through blogs, vids, discussions etc and how that increases exponentially due to sharing of information etc. Some abolitionist vegan vids alone receive tens of thousands of views. In fact it's quite probable many more people are exposed to vegan education online than by street outreach. That's the great benefit of the web.

Personally, had I not been online, I would not have had the opportunity to encounter Prof. Francione's work or many of the other people whose work I find valuable. I became vegan myself through online information.

Your response to Elizabeth's response to you, is an attack based on assumptions about Elizabeth, someone you don't know, and know nothing of her activities. It is my impression you appear to have disdain for those who promote Prof. Francione's approach.

The video of Elizabeth, which you fail to mention, discredits your characterization of her immediately. If you don't see that your characterization as factually incorrect, problematic and ad hominem, than you have a different definition of ad hominem than that in the dictionary.

Then you astonishingly proclaim we are all in this together. Please clear your mind and re-read the comments to this blog. Which side is reasonable, and which engages in personal attacks, name-calling. Not every poster on the pro- violence side has engaged in ad hominem, name calling etc, but several have, and almost none of the anti-violence people have.

If you consider constructive criticism an attack, then you are reacting in exactly the same way as many new welfarists and pro-violence people respond.

Markv's picture

Going to keep it short because I feel I have made my point in several different posts in several different ways. Elizabeth and others have been very rude and condescending to me and many others in other places, not me so much in this thread (and Elizabeth has taken down her harshest attack of me elsewhere). I don’t know what you are talking about concerning “corpse-munchers,” the only suggestion I saw her make about me on this page was concerning compromising on the moral issue (which I don’t do) during my vegan outreach. From some of your statements, I am not sure you have read everything on this thread (Elizabeth started off the comparison of experiences; I do mention the video , etc.). I have been on her blog and was her “friend” on fb, so I do actually know something of her activities (you are making incorrect assumptions). I stated that I felt Francione has done some great work and helped many. I don’t have a problem with people that promote his theories (or I would have quite a bit of disdain for myself), I do have a problem with rude, condescending, disrespectful people that attack other hard-working vegan activists and say their thoughts, ideas and campaigns are “not well thought out,” “lacking profound …,” “worthless” or worse. I am concerned about this because I care deeply for nonhuman animals and I want the best for them. Good luck in your activism.

LiveVegan's picture

Mark

If you believe you don't compromise on your moral view, then either Elizabeth is mistaken, or you do not realise that you do. And if you do not compromise on your moral view, then why not just state as much, rather than attack her as you did. You say you have problems with "rude, condescending, disrespectful people that attack other hard-working vegan activists", so why are you behaving that way toward Elizabeth. I have not seen this behaviour from Elizabeth towards you or anyone on this site and how is anyone to know what anyone has said elsewhere. Even if a person is harsh, is it helpful or constructive to attack?

Constructive criticism does not equal being attacked.

Markv's picture

It was Elizabeth that rudely attacked me in a condescending manner and she admitted it (not on this thread) –I suggest you check with the person you have decided to speak for before you actually do so. Also, again, read before you post: I have said more than once on this thread that in my years of vegan education I have not compromised on the moral issue. But, yeah, maybe I just don’t realize my moral shortcomings and would need you, Elizabeth, or other moral police to inform me of such violations. Also, again, read before you post: I have said numerous times that analysis, criticism, and discussion are important, BUT, as my consistent point has been: it should be done in a respectful and civil manner. Regarding Elizabeth: I was originally speaking in very general broad terms (identifying no one specifically): “For these suggestions and engaging in discussion on the matter, I was treated condescendingly and rudely by more than one of these ‘abolitionist educators.’ ” (post 1). Professor Francione responded, I wrote another post with very broad general language (again, identifying no one) (post 2), and then Elizabeth responded to that post (comparing experience, “hoping I don’t compromise on the moral issue or well an abolitionist I would not be,” etc.). Then, and only then, in post 3, did I specifically mention Elizabeth and her rude, condescending attack on me –but still in the context of the overall point (thus, for multiple reasons: not ad hominem). I know the difference between constructive criticism and rude, condescending, disrespectful attacks ( support the former, against the latter). And why did I bring all this up in the first place? Because I worry about the animals when animal advocates are treating each other in this manner. Aren’t we trying to build broad coalitions to advocate for the animals? Professor Francione has articulated some important concepts, but the people most dedicated to his theories are notorious for treating other activists that dare to disagree, critique, or question in an extremely rude, condescending manner. In the last few days, since bringing this up, the outpouring of support and “I have a similar story”s messages to me have been huge. I’m not surprised, because the behavior of this handful of people is all over the internet . And, again, we are not talking about "educating" pro-PeTA/HSUS people (not that they should be treated so poorly either – that is not going to convince them of anything), we are talking about people that have very similar big picture views, getting abused for any deviation or discussion. Good Luck in your activism for animals.

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