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One Million Moms Protest GAP Clothing Gay Billboard
After boycotting JC Penney for hiring Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson, One Million Moms is urging members to boycott Gap and its affiliated stores Old Navy, Banana Republic, Piperlime and Athleta.
One Million Moms says in a statement: "In Los Angeles, CA, GAP has a billboard located downtown that reads: GAP- BE BRIGHT- BE ONE with two homosexual men pressed together under a shared t-shirt. They are hugging each other and facing the camera cheek-to-cheek. BE ONE is in large letters which emphasizes the same-sex relationship."
"GAP Inc. Brands, including Old Navy, Banana Republic, Piperlime, and Athleta, does not deserve, nor will it get, money from conservative families across the country. Supporting GAP is not an option until they decide to remain neutral in the culture war. GAP needs to seriously consider how their immoral advertising affect the youth of our nation."
"Christians should urge for the removal of GAP's offensive billboard in Los Angeles and any other city where it is located. GAP will also need to cancel any plans to use the 'Be One' ad campaign elsewhere including store-front posters, its website, and in print magazine ads."
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I've got wind of some women
I've got wind of some women busying themselves with hate and discrimination. Lets not forget these women are 'wives' attempting to preserve and indeed bring back some of the 'old ways'. Are they forgetting that these previous ways wouldn't have granted them free speech, the right to vote, an opinion, or fair pay? Those mothers must just bored of their family lives. They need to broaden their horizons further than the mop and bucket in the outhouse, their dull sex lives and failing marriages. The mortal code or ethical ideal these women are trying to active is totally fraught with contradictions. It's right to love your family and want to protect them, but not support your child or a member of your community through a birth given inclination. Sexual orientation is not a choice, it's an innate inclination. Therefore, attraction to a person regardless of gender can't be wrong, immoral or disgusting. Christian woman, one can only come to the conclusion that they've totally dodged the New Testament, where Jesus talks about unconditional love. Indeed it would appear that they've forgotten about the fact that the Bible contradicts itself at times and that the collection of books were chosen by some old bigot Pharisees in ancient times and have developed and changed every time they are translated. Again, the Bible also states that slaves are acceptable and reduces woman to household appliances and baby machines. The heterosexual archetype has not always been the 'right' way of life, look at the start of human civilisation, ancient Greek and Rome. These women some liberation from their oh so restricted lives, too much time spent polishing their hateful souls, because thats an ethical ethos everyone aspires to follow. I think these women need a little bit of life breathed into them, remember what a gift life is and what a gift this world is. The sooner they stop their moaning, the sooner they can live happier lives and love like it is in the Bible or any decent ethical system.
It is regretfully true that
It is regretfully true that professing Christians - acting and talking contrary to the message of the Bible in relation to HOW we should think, act, and speak - do more harm to the cause of Christ than any non-believer ever has or will. That being said, true Christians are still under the mandate of God to go and tell His message. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU..." (Emphasis mine)
This conversation happens to be about homosexuality. So I, as a Christian, attempt to share God's opinion on that particular sin. That sin is, indeed, to be hated - because it is sin. Because it is against God's law, and ultimately brings death. All sin must be hated, for the same reason. On other pages, you'll find Christians speaking out about other sins. Sin burns. Sin will always take you further than you want to go, keep you longer than you want to stay, and cost you more than you want to pay. "The wages of sin is death." Death of peace, death of joy, death of relationships, death of a reason to get up in the morning, death of comfort and security, and ultimately, eternal death. To keep that truth to ourselves would be the epitome of hate! However, the same Word of God tells us HOW Christians should share His truth. "Speak the truth in love." Our heart attitudes, our actions, and our words must always be under the authority of God's Word. When that is true, our motivation will be love and the compelling force behind us will be compassion.
When we have the right motivation, our words will then be better received. Not always, though. Sometimes we will be rejected and scorned, even when our heart attitude and words are right, even when our words are given with kindness and respect. When that happens, God has something to say. Matthew 5:10-12: “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
God help us to speak up, speak the truth, but to speak it His way! To not be afraid of man and man's opinions, trusting God for the results. If Christians can not do it right, it would be better that they not do it at all. Just remain silent.
Given the nearly zero impact
Given the nearly zero impact on JCP for the Ellen DeGeneres boycott, this is a truly meaningless gesture.... so... who cares?
I have known for over 20
I have known for over 20 years that Levis or Gap and its affiliated stores Old Navy and Banana Republic has supported such trash. That is why I haven't purchase anything from these companies for over 20 years. You notice in the sign it reads "Be bright". What it should read is, "Be hypocritical, be ignorant, be a liberal."
I see you have a picture of
I see you have a picture of the most paranoid witch hunter Joseph McCarthy as your profile picture. Makes sense, I'd assume you are extremely paranoid about a so called "gay agenda"
I never said I had you
I never said I had you figured out, at least not completely. I attempted to coax a response out of you and I am glad you replied. I would say the ad is pretty tame. If they were making out or something of the like, I could understand why it would be offensive (not because they are homosexual but an inappropriate display). However, it is just a homosexual couple embracing. What is a "traditional" family model? Homosexual families can be just as morally upstanding as a heterosexual one (or just as immoral) IF that is what you're getting at. The refusal to accept people for what they are not only breeds misunderstanding and prejudice but fear and violence (i.e. the backlash against the civil rights movement). The freedom to be "free" of someone sounds like a justification of prejudice.
Thanks for teaching me something new, I didn't know females could lay eggs! Sarcasm aside, using that logic, I would assume that you believe any sexual activity outside the realm of procreation is not normal or organic sexual behavior. Is this correct? And if it is not can you explain why? Additionally, homosexuality is not just about physical love but a true emotional connection that heterosexuals like ourselves feel towards the opposite sex. It is just as true and meaningful as the relationships we keep.
I never said I had you
I never said I had you figured out, at least not completely. I attempted to coax a response out of you and I am glad you replied. I would say the ad is pretty tame. If they were making out or something of the like, I could understand why it would be offensive (not because they are homosexual but an inappropriate display). However, it is just a homosexual couple embracing. What is a "traditional" family model? Homosexual families can be just as morally upstanding as a heterosexual one (or just as immoral) IF that is what you're getting at. The refusal to accept people for what they are not only breeds misunderstanding and prejudice but fear and violence (i.e. the backlash against the civil rights movement). The freedom to be "free" of someone sounds like a justification of prejudice.
Thanks for teaching me something new, I didn't know females could lay eggs! Sarcasm aside, using that logic, I would assume that you believe any sexual activity outside the realm of procreation is not normal or organic sexual behavior. Is this correct? And if it is not can you explain why? Additionally, homosexuality is not just about physical love but a true emotional connection that heterosexuals like ourselves feel towards the opposite sex. It is just as true and meaningful as the relationships we keep.
I don't normally patronize
I don't normally patronize GAP brands stores, but it looks like I'm going to have to just on principle, and to piss of the Million MOroMs group.
I can't think of anything more offensive than their divisive message of hate and repression.
If folks stopped making a big deal out of what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom, the more flamboyant people will need to find a new way of making themselves stand out, and the whole gay issue will disappear. But as long as there's overt and loud attempts to marginalize, discriminate against, repress, and publicly express hatred of them, they're going to continue to get in your face and point out how you continuously and hypocritically violate your silly religions commandment to love your neighbors and turn the other cheek.
I really think the public display of religiosity should be discouraged wherever it is found, in the strongest means available.
Fine. If the organization
Fine. If the organization One Million Moms wants to boycott these retailers, that's their problem not ours. If they wish to demonstrate their intolerance of others in this society contrary to our US Constitution, and show the rest of the world what kind of hypocrites we Americans are, go ahead and make our day. The only losers are us. Watch the rest of the world pass us by..... It's already happening and its gonna get a lot worse.
I totally agree with one
I totally agree with one million moms. I will not spend money with a business that promotes this disgraceful, immoral, ungodly lifestyle. Don't they know in this war they will ultimately NOT win. They will only reap tragedy and defeat. You are fighting the creator of everything, not me or the one million moms, we are speaking TRUTH, and truth is NOT what the guilty want to hear.
Obviously a supporter of the
Obviously a supporter of the westboro baptist church. Yet another one sided, unreasonable, imbecile who uses the bible to support their own bigotry. God exists to decide right and wrong, not to bolster your skewed and self righteous opinions. And this is coming from a straight, catholic man so don't even come back thinking that I'm biased on a gay or anti religion field of view.
God does NOT exist "to decide
God does NOT exist "to decide right and wrong." He has already established that from before the beginning of the world! It is so clear in the Bible what His opinion is about "being gay" (not the actual person), that I just don't know what you do with those passages of scripture. Are they somehow of no import? These just don't matter? If they don't, then nothing in the Bible is true, and the whole thing is jut one big lie.
Leviticus 20:13 says, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." It even goes on to say they should be put to death! I'd say God has a STRONG opinion about it.
And lest you think the Old Testament doesn't matter anymore, here's another. 1 Corinthians 6:9 says, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality."
What do you do with these verses and the MANY others like them? Am I just misinterpreting what God is saying here? Or does the Bible just not matter to you? Please, I'd like to know.
The important thing here is
The important thing here is NOT to believe everything that is written in the bible. Much may be true but you have to remember that one way of another, the bible was WRITTEN by man. Nobody sat down with quill and paper AS god spoke to them. To say that people havnt inserted their own opinions into there would be naive. I love how so many people will point to a handful of quotes here and COMPLETELY miss out on the whole point of the new testament, which is that God is forgiving. There's the whole you know, theme that Jesus died so that our sins could be forgiven. Also remember that the bible is not the whole story. There are hundreds if not thousands of scriptures that did not make it into there. Reading enough of these makes you realize that not all of these authors agreed. The fact that for a long time much of the bible was spoken verse instead of written scripture opens the gates for all sorts of opinions to be inserted. And many people who saw the opportunity to see their words become scripture and law, almost certainly injected their own skewed views into the bible. That being said, dont focus on one or two little details in that new testament but the overall message: there is forgiveness and love for all.
Furthermore, being gay is a biological setting. It's literally in the brain. It is not a choice to be immoral, but something that most of them are born with. That being said, GOD literally set them to be gay. Here let me repeat that. Logic follows that: GOD MADE THEM GAY. The whole argument that being gay is a thing to be damned follows the same tragic flaw of the idea of fate that many baptists believe in. If god decides what you are going to do, the choices that you will make, and overall what you end up doing with your life, then he literally set many people to follow a path of evil from before the time that they were born. Thus, GOD DAMNS UNBORN INFANTS by that logic.
Jacob, I'd like to respond to
Jacob, I'd like to respond to the things you brought up. I'd like to do it briefly, but that's hard! :o)
1) If we deny that the Bible is, without qualification, the very words of God, we are left without any truth and without any supreme and final authority. It is a total waste of time to discuss any doctrine taught by the Bible until we acknowledge that, yes, the Bible was physically written by men - but these men simply wrote down words that came to their minds directly from the inspiration of a holy, almighty God. Otherwise, the Bible is just a collection of men's opinions - having no more authority than my opinion or yours. Believe that the Bible is the divine revelation and communication of God's own Mind and will - to men, in pure words - and we have a fixed starting point for finding truth. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Timothy 3:16). ALL Scripture...each and every word.
This is the strategic center of Christian teachings, and must be proclaimed at all cost. It is the point at which Satan - the great deceiver - is constantly hurling his hellish forces of darkness and corruption. (John 8:44) Apart from God's opinion, all discussions are virtually worthless. Man's opinion is flawed, no matter how passionately it is presented, or believed to be right. “There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death" (Proverbs 14:12) - death of peace, death of joy, death of fulfillment, death of a reason to get up in the morning, death of relationships, death of enthusiasm and energy, and ultimately - eternal death. But God's Words, His opinions, bring understanding, and life.
"The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple" (Psalm 119:130). "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63).
2) Is the Bible the whole story? Yes, it is. But you will only believe so, if you believe the Bible is true. The Bible speaks for Itself: If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. (Rev 22:19) Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. (Deut 4:2) Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. (Prov 30:6)
3) Can the Bible be trusted? So here is the lie that the world tries to push on us: The Bible is unreliable and untrustworthy, and it cannot be the Word of God. But if the Bible can be demonstrated to be accurate and trustworthy, we are going to have to accept it as the Word of God. The Bible is not just a bunch of clever stories. Let’s read 2 Peter 1:16-21: "When we told you about the power and the return of our Lord Jesus Christ, we were not telling clever stories that someone had made up. But with our own eyes we saw his true greatness. God, our great and wonderful Father, truly honored him by saying, 'This is my own dear Son, and I am pleased with him.' We were there with Jesus on the holy mountain and heard this voice speak from heaven. All of this makes us even more certain that what the prophets said is true. So you should pay close attention to their message, as you would to a lamp shining in some dark place. You must keep on paying attention until daylight comes and the morning star rises in your hearts. But you need to realize that no one alone can understand any of the prophecies in the Scriptures. The prophets did not think these things up on their own, but they were guided by the Spirit of God." If you're interested, here's an excellent link for a more indepth discussion. http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/Can_The_Bible_Be_Trusted
I challenge you to spend some time reading the Bible for yourself, rather than just dismissing it, or dealing only with what some person says about it. Individual human opinions are worth nothing. God's opinion is worth everything. "For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Heb 4:12)
4) Overall message of the Bible? The main message of the Bible is the wonderful presentation of salvation - the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. (John 3:16-17; Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:23, 6:23, 10:9-10) It also presents God's purpose for all time and space - the revelation of God's plan and purpose for the universe.
Have you ever read it? From start to finish? I encourage you to do so before making up your mind about it. Seems that would be the smart thing to do before deciding about any book. To read it. Relying on what you THINK it says, or what you HEAR that it says is an unreliable method - one that opens you up to many serious mistakes - with serious consequences. Read it - all of it - for yourself. Then decide.
5) Your other topics - Are people born gay? Does God cause people to sin? Co we have a free will? - are all answered between the pages of God's Word - the book of God's opinions - the Bible. Much pointless debate goes on about this Book - coming from people who have never read the Book (the entire thing). I challenge you to do so. THEN make up your mind about it. Don't allow UN-Christian professing Christian, Bible-thumpers out there to so prejudice you against it - that they keep you from discovering for yourself what it actually says - what its message really is.
The consequences for making a wrong decision on this Book are eternal consequences.
I wish you well! And hope you'll take your search for truth a step further!
Jacob, I inadvertently posted
Jacob, I inadvertently posted my comments twice, and am too ignorant to know how to get rid of the duplicate. So will just edit it down to this: My apologies!
If the Bible is not ALWAYS
If the Bible is not ALWAYS correct then it is NEVER correct. Why follow anything or obey anything it says? If it's wrong once, it's wrong anywhere else I choose it to be. You may say it's right here, but I may disagree with you and say it's actually wrong here. Who's to say who's right? The Bible MUST be absolutely true in ALL areas or there's no reason to believe any of it. If you do not believe it to be true, there's nothing I can argue my point with, being that my entire reason for fighting against the gay movement is based on the Bible and what God has to say about it. I do not believe, in any way, that sexual orientation is somehow stuck in the brain and people have to choice in the matter, though I realize there are many people who do! It is sin, over years and years, that has taken us this far away from how it all began - with Adam (one man) and Eve (one woman). I think it will be very difficult for us to discus this, seeing that we have two MAJOR differences in how we view the Bible. But you've made some interesting points and have challenged me to respond to things that, in the past, I haven't even thought about, let alone stood up for.
It's funny how the some of
It's funny how the some of the same people who don't have a problem with the homosexual lifestyle being glamorized and put up on display in the public square would have huge problem if this were a Jesus Saves billboard.
I don't care how you try to slice it, homosexuality is not normal behavior. Organically and biologically, the purpose of sex is to procreate. Procreation cannot occur via a homosexual relationship. Darwin would have agreed; survival of the fittest, they cannot procreate.
- The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-
And what people are
And what people are protesting the Jesus Saves billboard and think it should be brought down? The people you're commentating on may not like the billboard (and think it's fairly ignorant) but don't deny the right for it to exist. Remember, these are the same people who are fighting in some areas to have their own 'atheistic' billbords/bus ads remain up. Sorry if the facts don't support your argument.
The purpose of sex is not only to procreate (e.g. dolphins do it for pleasure, and many species have %'s that exhibit same sex interactions for periods of time if not for their whole lives.
Those silly facts again...always getting in the way.
I agree Mr. Obvious. Well
I agree Mr. Obvious. Well said!
Funny, we've got a number of
Funny, we've got a number of religious billboards in and around our city and I've never heard anybody have a problem with it. Now, if our tax dollars were paying for it, as with manger scenes at town hall, then we complain but businesses and private organizations can buy billboards saying pretty much whatever they like.
There are many private
There are many private entities who publicly display their adherence to Christian faith with no boycotts or resistance by homosexual rights groups so your point is moot. It particularly irks me that you attempt to justify your bigotry by misrepresenting Darwinian science. First, "normal" sexual behavior is not a scientific definition and is very relative. Second, it seems as though you are insinuating that because two individuals cannot reproduce that they are somehow inferior. Also incorrect from a biological standpoint. Does this also mean sterile couples are somehow undeserving of of respect or rights? You and the other little dictators in here hoice of language really exposes your autocratic tendencies.
You could never convince me
You could never convince me that you are straight - your cover for your strong defense of homosexuality - be brave....
Yep, that's exactly what I
Yep, that's exactly what I said, because one practices a homosexual lifestlye, one is inferior. You hit the nail on the head Joseph. I am additionally saying that sterile couples are deserving of the same treatment. NO, you twit! You can go and live whatever lifestyle you want. Your freedom to be you includes my liberty to be free from you. Since you are obviously a pseudointellectual, tell me sir, biologically speaking, how does sexual reproduction occur? Can it occur with two sperm and no egg? How about two eggs and no sperm? I'll help you out. No, it cannot. You cannot beat the arguement that the purpose of sex, at the most organic level is to procreate.
Additionally, you really think you have me figured out. I personally don't care if two same sex people want to lead a homosexual lifestyle. Their freedom to live an "alternative" lifestyle also includes the liberty of others who wish to maintain the traditional family model to not have that life style thrust upon them. I personally am an advocate of getting government out of marriage all together and removing any incetive in the tax code to be married. Homosexual marriage problem solved. The loudest voices for tolerance appear to be the most intolerant. Check your assumptions and pseudointellectualism at the door.
- The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-
I never said I had you
I never said I had you figured out, at least not completely. I attempted to coax a response out of you and I am glad you replied. I would say the ad is pretty tame. If they were making out or something of the like, I could understand why it would be offensive (not because they are homosexual but an inappropriate display). However, it is just a homosexual couple embracing. What is a "traditional" family model? Homosexual families can be just as morally upstanding as a heterosexual one (or just as immoral) IF that is what you're getting at. The refusal to accept people for what they are not only breeds misunderstanding and prejudice but fear and violence (i.e. the backlash against the civil rights movement). The freedom to be "free" of someone sounds like a justification of prejudice.
Thanks for teaching me something new, I didn't know females could lay eggs! Sarcasm aside, using that logic, I would assume that you believe any sexual activity outside the realm of procreation is not normal or organic sexual behavior. Is this correct? And if it is not can you explain why? Additionally, homosexuality is not just about physical love but a true emotional connection that heterosexuals like ourselves feel towards the opposite sex. It is just as true and meaningful as the relationships we keep.
Are you really asking what
Are you really asking what the traditional family model is? I assume that you are at least partially college educated. You never took a family studies class or gender roles in society class? What do you think a traditional family model is?
As far as the billboard's image and OMM is concerned; OMM attacks any ad of sexual nature, not just homosexual. Check out their track record with Hardee's/Carl's Jr, Abercrombie and Fitch, Family Guy, American Dad and Mariah Carey/Weight Watchers, the list goes on.
"I would assume that you believe any sexual activity outside the realm of procreation is not normal or organic sexual behavior. Is this correct?" You're trying to take my statement and move the discussion into recreational intercourse. What I said was "...the purpose of sex, at the most organic level is to procreate." I'm not talking about recreational intercourse, I'm talking about sexual reproduction.
"Additionally, homosexuality is not just about physical love but a true emotional connection that heterosexuals like ourselves feel towards the opposite sex. It is just as true and meaningful as the relationships we keep." Can three, four, five or more people of the same gender or mixed gender possess the same true and meaningful relationship?
- The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-
I am college educated,
I am college educated, currently taking a leave of absence from University of California, Davis. Most of my coursework has been in physical sciences but I do have a background in psychology and anthropology as well. I was asking what your definition of a traditional family model was. I personally would describe a traditional family model as a picture out of the fifties; mom as a homemaker, dad as the bread winner, and 2.5 children. If this is what the traditional family model is, I see it as neither traditional or really that accurate. As cultural, economic, and political landscapes change so does perceived gender roles (and by extension the family nucleus).
I see, so OMM's mission is to attack advertisements with even an iota of sexual content. Again, I'd say the ad isn't so risqué but I suppose that is relative so we can just leave it at that.
I understand what you had previously stated. You had seemed to label homosexual relations as abnormal because they can not produce offspring from sexual reproduction. However, many heterosexual couples take active steps to prevent pregnancy from intercourse; is their behavior also abnormal?
I never said anything about polygamous relationships, only homo and heterosexual ones assuming only two people. I suppose I cannot speak much on the topic of polygamy but it is the more prevalent form of relationship outside of Western culture. It is also the dominant mode of relations in the primate world. I would imagine a polygamous relationship would have unique challenges but I am not anyone to judge. As far as mixed gender individuals, I would assume that they can form healthy and meaningful relationships. Again, they would face immense discrimination and degradation but I don't see why they couldn't be happy with a romantic partner if both people worked hard for it.
Well, if you're saying that
Well, if you're saying that homosexuals are inferior because they can't reproduce then I don't see how that wouldn't also apply to sterile people. A woman past menopause can't reproduce either so is she inferior? BTW, with donors homosexuals are able to reproduce and they don't even need donors to adopt children whose parents abandoned them. Personally, I don't consider someone's worth to be dependent on their ability to reproduce.
As for what's "normal". Homosexual sex and even long term monogamous homosexual relationships have been recorded in hundreds of species. Interestingly, homophobia has only ever been recorded in humans. Every other species appears to accept it as perfectly normal. If anything, your homophobia is the not normal thing.
Well, considering I never
Well, considering I never said they're inferior, I don't think that's what I said. Considering that two women must get a male's sperm to create offspring and men likewise obtaining an egg.... that should tell you something.
I love it when you folks go for the animal example... they also eat their young, should we allow mothers to eat their babies too? You would like to compare our behavior to that of animals and create a model of how we should behave? Primates fling their feces and masturbate where ever they feel like it... enough said.
- The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-
You said that homosexuals are
You said that homosexuals are inferior because they couldn't procreate. If that's your standard for someone's value there are a lot of straights who are inferior too. If a woman's husband is infertile, either due to genetics or for example because he had his balls blown off in combat, she would also need to get donated semen to procreate. Does that make them inferior? Since you've indicated procreation is the sole purpose of sex and marriage then should that couple not be allowed to marry or have sex?
You're the one who said homosexuality isn't "normal" and isn't natural. Homosexuality is completely normal and natural. If your argument is that we should only do what's normal and natural then it's only right to look to the animal kingdom. You know what's really abnormal and unnatural? The internet. Computers. Cars. All very abnormal and completely unnatural. I'm not suggesting that we all mimic animals. I'm suggesting that you need a better argument.
Typical lefist tactic; spin.
Typical lefist tactic; spin. No, I said the purpose of sex at the most organic level is to procreate. I'm not talking about intercourse, I'm talking about sexual reproduction.
- The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-
Do it, don't do it, think
Do it, don't do it, think about doing it - whatever....I would ask that you just stop screeching the same tired phrases over and over....
I like how they use the word
I like how they use the word 'neutral' even though what they are asking for is not a neutral stance.