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Cook County, Illinois May Attach 'Violence Tax' on Guns and Ammunition

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Cook County, Illinois Board President Preckwinkle is considering a 'violence tax' on guns and ammunition sold in Chicago and in the suburbs.

Kurt Summers, Preckwinkle’s chief of staff, told the Chicago Sun-Times: "If we were to pursue a tax on something like guns and ammo, clearly that wouldn’t be popular with the [gun lobby] out there, and it may not generate $50 million, but ... it is consistent with our commitment to pursuing violence reduction in the city and in the county."

The idea is to curb the number of guns in circulation as murders in Chicago are up 25 percent this year, according to recent police statistics. The Cook County jail has 9,000-plus inmates, nearing its 10,155 capacity.

Summers added: “It impacts law enforcement, both at the city and the county [levels]. It impacts the courtrooms, the public defender and state’s attorney that are in there, the judges that are in there, the clerk of the court that has to sit there, the sheriff’s deputies that are in that courtroom and it impacts the jail, the folks that are sitting there at $143 a day."

“Now on top of that, if a person is shot and wounded, they end up more than likely in a Level 1 trauma Center like Stroger Hospital."

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Reason Foundation's picture

For urban politicians, gun

For urban politicians, gun control is like the bar in "Cheers" -- a place of refuge they can seek out whenever things aren't going well. Things aren't going well on the crime front in Chicago, with homicides up 25 percent this year. So what else can our elected leaders do but promise action against guns? Action against the possession and use of guns by violent felons would be a good idea, but the proposal offered by Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle is something else: a penalty on nonviolent citizens who bear no blame for the carnage. Preckwinkle suggested a tax on sales of firearms and ammunition, with the goal of defraying the costs that gunshots create for the county hospital and jail. Her spokesperson couldn't say what the tax rate would be or how much revenue it would yield but said the fee would be "consistent with our commitment to pursuing violence reduction in the city and in the county." It won the support of Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who reiterated his commitment to "get guns and drugs off the streets" -- as though this tax would dry up the existing stockpile of guns or reduce the flow of new ones. The levy was dubbed a "violence tax," which is exactly what it isn't. It would not target criminals who have malice in mind, but would fall entirely on the law-abiding. Anyone convicted of a felony, after all, is ineligible for an Illinois Firearm Owner's Card, which is legally required to buy guns or bullets. Under federal law, felons are barred from owning guns. So ex-con gang members would not pay the tax, because they make all their purchases in the illegal market. It would hit only those gun owners who have used their firearms responsibly. Preckwinkle apparently regards her measure as the equivalent of taxes on tobacco or gasoline, which attempt to recoup from smokers and motorists some of the expenses they create for the medical system (when they get emphysema or lung cancer) or the road system (when they drive). But it's a false parallel. The great majority of gun owners never cause the county to spend money providing medical care to gunshot victims, and they never take up expensive lodging in the county jail. Their guns don't impose a cost on society any more than a softball team's bats do. The notion of taxing ammunition may be traced to comedian Chris Rock, who once quipped, "If a bullet costs $5,000, there'd be no more innocent bystanders." Before that, the legendary New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan suggested a 10,000 percent tax on the most destructive bullets. Make them too expensive, he theorized, and they would disappear. Oh? Marijuana and cocaine are more expensive than they would be if they were legal, yet there is plenty of supply as well as demand. Put an extravagant -- or even not so extravagant -- fee on bullets, and black-market entrepreneurs will make and sell them outside regulated channels. Active criminals have a strong interest in arming themselves, which is why even total bans (as Chicago long applied to handguns, until the Supreme Court interfered) don't have much effect on them. When your livelihood requires a deadly weapon, you will find a way to get it. It's not as though criminals need a daily supply of ammo, making the tax a prohibitive expense. Legend has it that gangster Al Capone said you can get more with a smile and a gun than with just a smile, but he didn't usually need to pull a trigger to induce cooperation. Even peaceable citizens are not likely to make a habit of paying the tax, since it invites widespread evasion. Anyone who wants to buy a weapon or ammunition can travel to a neighboring county, where gun retailers are more common anyway. A county can do well with heavy duties on beer and cigarettes because people consume them often and want easy access. But a firearm purchase is not a frequent event in the life of a gun owner. Most hunters and target shooters won't mind an occasional suburban trip to pick up a few months' supply of ammo. In the end, criminals will never pay the tax, law-abiding citizens will rarely pay it, and the county will get little revenue. The only purpose it will serve is to let upstanding gun owners know their local government views them with disdain. The feeling, for good reason, is mutual.
Ashen_X's picture

Very well said.

Very well said.

Bellerophon69's picture

Maybe they should ask gun

Maybe they should ask gun and/or ammo purchasers if they intend to use them to murder or rob someone first before imposing the tax; it would make as much sense!

the car man msncom's picture

Marvelous, simply marvelous,

Marvelous, simply marvelous, more intellectual people proving once again, gentlemen you are educated beyond your intellegence;)

the_car_man

HolySmokes's picture

Hmm, so where's the

Hmm, so where's the automobile-deaths tax, the sugar-diabetes-&-dental-cavities tax (on cakes, pies, ice cream, etc.), the hospital-use-&-liabilities tax (- lots of harms done in hospitals), and all the other taxes that this would seem to legitimize? Oh, and don't forget the tax on stupid govt actions for making citizens more susceptible to crime & violence.

gem's picture

"The conversation must stop

"The conversation must stop about whether the death and injured rate is up or down for the month or the year," said Bilek. "The truth remains that 20 to 30 dead and 100 wounded a month are intolerable figures. The time has come to take extraordinary measures to reduce these numbers. We're talking about saving human lives."- NBC news

The Chicago Crime Commission has recommended hiring 1700 more police officers. That means training & arming them as well. The city & county just do not have the funds without raising taxes or creating new taxes to fight these gang-wars that are being fought block by block over control of the Midwest drug market. With more & more drug labs being raided in the suburbs & even small towns, we need serious ideas to deal with the drug wars moving across US cities. Our police departments are over worked, under staffed and out gunned. While citizens complain about rude traffic stops, these police officers risk their lives everytime they have to pull a vehicle over. Arming civilians will do nothing but get more civilians killed. These gang-killings are the cost of doing business. The gangs don't care how many civilians & tourists are caught in their cross-fire. Only the police care about the safety of non-combatants. So we had better try to find a way to help our police do their jobs. They are in the front lines & we cannot afford to lose a single one of them.

Olderman's picture

Mr. Bilek, that you feel

Mr. Bilek, that you feel somewhat vulnerable is a good sign. Consider that the population of Chicago is currently approximately the level of the 1920's and '30's and decreasing. Complete areas of Chicago are abandoned: making property ownership - leaving out property taxes - a moot point of no income to the city and county: don't forget a total loss to the owners. The police union recently (and briefly) identified Chicago as not safe for tourists.

Short of calling in a couple of batallions (about 1200-1500 men each) of National Guard with full kit and three units of fire ( unit of fire: ammunition to last a month in full combat engagement)there is only one other real solution.

Legally, historically and traditionally citizens have both the duty and responsibility to assist law enforcement and the armed forces if necessary. In the case of Chicago, city government and police have reached the point where volunteers from the citizens should be asked for. These volunteers would free the professionals from desk positions and supplement other agencies in the performance of their duties and responsibilities.

Folks, the only way Chicago, or anyone else in the precarious position Chicago is in, will be able to attract new people and business is to provide a safe environment for family and business, and a functioning city government.

Chicago does not have either at this moment.

ADS's picture

Roedy, Where the heck do you

Roedy, Where the heck do you hang out, sounds like a fun place, please STAY HOME !!!!!

gregandrene's picture

Notice how he equates ALL the

Notice how he equates ALL the murders and inmates with guns:

"The idea is to curb the number of guns in circulation as murders in Chicago are up 25 percent this year, according to recent police statistics. The Cook County jail has 9,000-plus inmates, nearing its 10,155 capacity."

Not all the murders were gun related, and FAR from all the inmates are in for gun violence. Mostly for drug possession, I would bet.

HolySmokes's picture

Even if it were all

Even if it were all gun-related, one fact remains: Chicago is against guns. Doesn't it go against concealed carry? Notice that in other places that started allowing concealed carry more, gun violence crimes went dramaticly lower. Maybe they don't need more cops, but rather more citizens able to defend themselves. Nothing makes a thug more nervous than the idea that his intended victim might blow him away....and that being a much greater likelihood due to good concealed carry laws in the region.

gem's picture

Except Chicago, like LA, is a

Except Chicago, like LA, is a war zone between rival drug gangs. This is not street muggings or burglaries which might be curtailed by civilians owing or carrying guns. The majority of the murders are gang members, but that doesn't mean law abiding citizens are not being terrorized. No one wants to live & work in a war zone, or invest in any business or property that's located in a war zone. Arming civilians won't restore their property values. Chicago is only considering taxing guns & ammo because as least the warring gangs will help pay for the costs of hiring & training the professionals the city needs to protect it's people. No one is stopping citizens from owning guns, but armed or unarmed, unless the citizens want to quit their jobs and become fulltime police officers they aren't going to be able to effect the death rate in Chicago.

ADS's picture

Prickwinkle is a friggin

Prickwinkle is a friggin moron, plain and simple ....

argon's picture

One more case of moronic

One more case of moronic politicians blaming honest citizens for crime.

canislupus's picture

This is an absolutely

This is an absolutely brilliant, long-overdue initiative. The Cook County Board has the right idea that all America needs by imposing a tax on sources of violence. They just need to tweak the idea a little and they can raise even MORE money: Impose a tax on PEOPLE who actually commit crimes via ANY means - guns, baseball bats, blunt instruments, knives, poison, pharmaceutical drugs, water (intentially drowning someone), pillows (suffocating someone), rope (strangling someone), vehicles (vehicular homicide or murder), alcohol, etc. To ensure no one is taxes unfairly, make the tax due only AFTER an act of violence actually occurs.

Make it a law that anyone convicted of a crime by any means has to pay a tax, and make the tax equal to the cost of the trial (DA, investigators, guards, stenographers, clerks, courthouse use, etc.), the cost of prisoner transport, the cost of incarceration both short term and long term, any and all primary and secondary societal costs, and so on. In this manner, Cook County's annual budget would be reduced significantly, property and sales taxes paid by law-abiding citizens (even non-law-abiding citizens!) could be lowered, and County expenditures would be limited to things like infrastructure, recreation facilities and programs, social services (the cost for which would be reduced due to the "violence tax"), and so on.

Like I said - a brilliant proposition - just tweak it a little.

ross80477's picture

The problem is that

The problem is that peckerwinkie is talking about a punitive tax against a tool that is both Constitutionally protected and in the right hands a reasonable means to sharply reduce violent crime. Armed citizens don't shoot people to kill them, they shoot them to make them quit doing violence to them. A dead offender is just a cost reducing bi-product and an absolute reduction in recidivism.

As to taxing all those other items in a punitive manner; look how well they have done with sin taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. So far all I have seen is politicians lining their pockets and demanding more taxes.

Olderman's picture

You miss the boat: tax us

You miss the boat: tax us *before* something happens. That way, the money is already in hand *should* something happen......

lvcsslacker's picture

While I don't entirely

While I don't entirely disagree with you, I think that would be called entrapment...

canislupus's picture

lvcsslacker, ditto mtguy's

lvcsslacker, ditto mtguy's comment. How is what I just described "entrapment?" It doesn't remotely apply contextually or otherwise to my point.

My point is: impose the tax, by pre-enacted law, on the one common element in all violence (i.e., crime against persons causing injury or death) - the INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEING waging violence... regardless of the means used to carry out violence. Why tax only one POSSIBLE means of violence when so many others escape tax? And I say POSSIBLE because only a miniscule percentage of all firearms sold, owned, and possessed are used in the commission of crimes, and then most of those are obtained by the perpetrator by theft from a law-abiding citizen.

On its face, the proposed initiative by Cook County to impose a "violence tax" on firearms sold (and does anybody think most criminals walk into a shop and buy their guns retail???) is arbitrary and capricious.

Mtguy12's picture

How is that entrapment?

How is that entrapment?

lvcsslacker's picture

Ok, I used the wrong term...

Ok, I used the wrong term... My bad.

I meant the majority of the criminals won't be able to pay for the trial. Attach to their paychecks all you want, they just won't be able to get it done.

canislupus's picture

slacker, I don't even get

slacker, I don't even get your first post (and you can take your pathetic, infantile name-calling and shove it up your truly stupid ass), but maybe because YOU don't get my point, but then again you're an idiot. I'm not suggesting in any way that a so-called, idiotic "violence tax" be imposed on handgun sales. For one thing, though I'm tired of the cliche, I believe that guns don't kill people, people kill people. (Second), the same with any other means to kill or do harm to another person - ropes, knives, water (via intentional drowning, poison, baseball bats, blunt instruments, pillows, vehicles, or any of a myriad thousand things - don't kill people, people kill people, and they use all manner of means and devices to do so. Get it? I wonder. And we don't impose "violence" taxes on those items, so why are firearms any different or so special?

Now in your second post you say criminals won't be able to pay for their trial and society (i.e., a taxing jurisdiction) won't be able to collect cost of arrest, prosecution, trial, etc., etc. On one hand I was being supremely sarcastic (which went right over your pea-sized brain) about imposing the "violence tax" on the perpetrator, not the means or method. Get it?

On the other hand, excluding gangbaners and similar lowlife (to which the tax would be moot given an assumed inability to pay it), PLENTY of the perpetrators of crimes of violence do have extradinary means and an ability to pay for costs of prosecution, trial, incarceration, societal costs, etc., etc. Get it? I doubt it.

Ashen_X's picture

What name calling (other than

What name calling (other than your own of course) ?

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