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Pit Bulls: Will More Adoptions End Shelter Killings?
“Egregious misrepresentation aside, the offense for which the humane community is most culpable is promoting pit bulls in a manner which provides free advertising to the pit bull breeding industry,” ANIMAL PEOPLE Editor Merritt Clifton opines in his compelling and courageous editorial, More adoptions will not end shelter killing of pit bulls, in the October 2011 issue of ANIMAL PEOPLE (News for people who care about animals). http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/index.html
Following are excerpts from his argument for a reality check on what is really happening to pit bulls and why. Clifton’s comments are presented here for the most part in paragraphs, in order to avoid extracting phrases out of context that might distort his original intent. But this is a mere fragment of his fascinating and well-documented editorial. He writes:
“Each year from a third to 45% of the total U.S. pit bull population enters an animal shelter, a phenomenon never seen with any other dog breed. “Of critical importance to realize is that there are very few accidental pit bull births. Because nothing resembling a pit bull occurs in nature, it is necessary to practice line breeding, mating pit bull to pit bull or a very close mix, to continue to have them. “Almost every pit bull who contributes to the surplus is a product of deliberate breeding, sometimes by a dogfighter, but most often just someone engaging in speculative backyard breeding, capitalizing on a perceived vogue for pit bulls created at least in part by the aggressive advertising of shelters and individual rescuers who hope to rehome more pit bulls instead of having to kill them from lack of other options.”
Clifton provides politically incorrect, powerful straight talk to the world of humane activists and organizations, most of whom seem to have forgotten--or maybe never knew—why the current pit bull dilemma exists and that their assertions as “experts,” in an effort to divert public awareness from the genetic nature of pit bulls, is allowing dog fighters and pit bull breeders to continue their exploitive, cruel activities with impunity, causing the suffering and deaths of thousands of animals the rescuers and advocates purport to protect.
This is an article that should be read by anyone involved in, or with an interest in, pit bull protection or anyone who has been a victim of attack. Too much current propaganda has little or no basis in fact and is contrived to further the interests of those who profit from the breed or apologists who use glib euphemisms and rote to justify unacceptable or dangerous behavior. Co-dependency between shelter pit-bull promotions and breeders?
Here’s how Merritt Clifton describes the co-dependency between shelter/rescue promotion efforts and pit bull breeders:
“The ever-increasing numbers of fatal and disfiguring pit bull attacks increase public apprehension of adopting an adult pit bull of unknown history, but the public tends to believe that pit bulls can make great pets if "raised right" from puppyhood .However, shelters typically don't have puppies these days. Pit bull puppies are in effect in the commodities speculation market, until they grow up and are dumped in shelters. So, persuaded by advertising meant to promote adoptions to acquire a pit bull, Joe and Josephine Q. Public buy a pit bull puppy from a backyard breeder. “About one of those puppies in three will come to a shelter within less than two years.”
Or is it possible that many of these “rescues” are actually fronts for dog-fighting operations and/or breeders, who literally “have a dog in this fight”and mainly in this market? Could some pit bull rescues actually be breeders or dog fighters in disguise? Clifton’s editorial quotes a bold and passionate presentation by ANIMAL PEOPLE President Kim Bartlett at the Conference on Homeless Animal Management and Policy in Hartford, Connecticut in 2002. He adds that, if she had been heeded, it is possible pit bull overpopulation would not be an issue today and “…animal shelters since then might have killed between eight and nine million fewer pit bulls.” Here are excerpts from Bartlett’s statement (full text in the ANIMAL PEOPLE article):
"I believe that pit bulls have a more negative reputation than most members of the breed deserve. I am not endorsing any arbitrary killing of dogs simply because they are of a particular breed, but I favor a ban on breeding of all pit bull-type dogs… “I think it is unethical to breed any dogs, or cats, so long as they are being killed by the million for population control…Since pit bulls clearly can be more dangerous to humans and other animals, and are more difficult to handle than most other dogs, and--most importantly--since they attract 'owners' who may want to exploit and abuse them, then for the dogs' own good, preventing further breeding should be a priority for the animal rights cause. "I have an uneasy feeling that a lot of people claiming to be pit bull rescuers are actually pit bull breeders and even dogfighters in disguise. Otherwise why would they oppose breeding bans that would not affect dogs already born? “People who rescue feral cats want to see an end to their breeding. People who rescue exotic animals such as parrots, lions and tigers, and potbellied pigs would like to see breed bans on those species. Why not the so-called pit bull rescuers?” "Public policy on animal welfare issues should not be set by breeders and fanciers, and certainly not by dogfighters who pose as breeders and even pretend to be rescuers. “When so-called pitbull lovers and rescuers use language like 'it is the right of Americans to buy [or breed] whatever kind of dog they want,' then they are quite obviously not animal rights advocates."
Clifton provides indisputable statistics to refute apologists who ignore reality. To paraphrase, by insisting pit bulls who attack, injure or kill other pets or humans can be “retrained;” that “it’s just the owner, not the dog;” and that “pits just get a bad rap and are misunderstood” is causing—not helping. And insisting more adoptions are the solution is, in fact, a major part of the problem. “More adoptions will not end shelter killing of pit bulls.”
Merritt Clifton approaches past and current trends and catastrophic decisions by major animal- protection organizations with a real sense of compassion for the dogs brutally exploited by abusers and euthanized in disproportionate numbers in animal shelters because of blind repetition of myths perpetuating the illusion that if enough of them are just adopted out--often to an uncertain fate and with a history of errant and even dangerous behavior--eventually the influx will miraculously decrease. But reality does not support this idealism, he explains:
“The total number of dogs killed in U.S. shelters fell by more than 40% between 1986 and 1993, but the number of pit bulls killed in shelters more than doubled, to about 358,000--15% of the total.”
It should be obvious by now that this is the proverbial attempt to empty the ocean with a thimble. As Clifton laments in this editorial, “There may now be more organizations focused on pit bull rescue and advocacy than rescue and advocate for all other specific breeds combined.”
Following is a random sampling of the intriguing issues Merritt Clifton presents as a credible platform for acknowledging that our current approach to the pit bull problem is not only ineffective but actually making matters worse:
Why the numbers have grown.
“About 8.4 million dogs were killed in shelters in 1986, of whom about 168,000 (2%) were pit bulls, according to the limited available breed-specific data. “ More pit bulls have been rehomed in recent years than ever before, but as most of the U.S. still has no effective brake on pit bull breeding, pit bulls in 2010 rose to 29% of shelter dog admissions and 60% of shelter dog killing. The 2010 U.S. shelter pit bull toll of 930,300 was the second highest yet.”
Why most pit bulls in shelters are adults.
“Typically they come to shelters at about 18 months of age, having already had at least three homes: their birth home, the home they were sold to, and one or more pass-along homes that took the dogs in after problems developed in the first home into which they were purchased.”
With all the free/low-cost spay/neuter programs, why is pit bull shelter population increasing?
“By 1995 more than 70% of the U.S. dog population had been sterilized. A dog who was impounded or surrendered to a shelter 25 years ago had just a 10% chance of being rehomed. Dogs in shelters today have about a 60% chance of being rehomed--unless they happen to be pit bull terriers or close mixes of pit bull, whose sterilization rate is still barely 25%. “Despite that extraordinary rate of success in pit bull placement, however, about 75% of the pit bulls and pit mixes arriving at shelters are killed, either due to dangerous behavior or simply because shelters are receiving pit bulls in ever-escalating volume. Each year from a third to 45% of the total U.S. pit bull population enters an animal shelter, a phenomenon never seen with any other dog breed.”
Is it “just the owner?”
Here are just a few of the tragic statistics Clifton provides about the realities of life for pit bulls. He explains that this is not a matter of “nature vs. nurture,” but, “…a matter of inherently problematic dogs being acquired by inherently problematic people…” “ More than 5,000 pit bulls have been seized in dog fighting raids since 2000, a mere fraction of the numbers believed to have been killed either in dogfights, in connection with training dogs to fight, or in culling dogs who lose fights or show little promise of becoming successful fighters. “About 21% of the dogs impounded in cases of severe and prolonged neglect since 2005 have been pit bulls, and also 21% of the dogs impounded in cases of violent abuse--including 49% of the dogs set on fire and 14% of the dogs raped in bestiality cases. “But pit bulls not just the victims of mayhem. Disfiguring and fatal pit bull attacks on humans have occurred during the past two years at the rate of two every three days, are an unprecedented pace. Pit bulls and close pit mixes have since 1982 accounted for 45% of all U.S. and Canadian fatalities from dog attacks on humans…”
Who’s really making the decisions?
Clifton provides an intriguing history of the major humane organizations—American Humane Association (AHA), Best Friends Animal Society, American Society for the Protection of Animals (ASPCA), The Humane Society of the U.S. (HSUS) and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)--in regard to proposals for mandatory spay/neuter of pit bulls and breed-specific legislation. He also discusses the results of various forms of legislation to address both the burgeoning population and concerns about dangerous dogs.
Have they helped or hindered? What are the costs of pit bulls to society?
“According to the Insurance Information Institute, dog bites now account for more than one-third of all homeowners insurance liability claims, a recent average of about 16,000 per year. The average payout per claim rose 37% between 2003 and 2010…. “The cumulative liability from attacks by dogs from shelters and rescues in lawsuits known to have been settled within the past year alone is in excess of the annual budgets of more than 93% of all U.S. humane organizations.
Debunking the Myths
This editorial dispels the common myths that are repeated as gospel by pit bull advocates who have never bothered to determine their validity. Clifton debates these common untruths with facts: --No, pit bulls were never "America's favorite pet." --No, pit bulls were never "nanny dogs." --No, there is no evidence that if pit bulls were unavailable some other type of dog would be comparably exploited --No, it is not true that breed-specific laws do not reduce bites --No, breed-specific legislation is not inherently hard to enforce because of the difficulty of defining particular breeds.
Humane community credibility at risk?
Merritt Clifton reminds us that, “ANIMAL PEOPLE has warned, many times, that the trustworthiness of the humane community itself is at risk when animal advocates deny the realities of the pit bull crisis.”
Breed-specific legislation (BSL)?
“ANIMAL PEOPLE again reminds the humane community that an effective response to pit bull overpopulation must target breeding, and must be legislatively mandated, since pit bull breeders have proved intransigently resistant to any and all forms of gentle persuasion… “ANIMAL PEOPLE believes active enforcement of breed-specific legislation would be most effective if enforcement is triggered by evidence of breeding, sale, or other exchange. “Effective breed-specific legislation could stop the reproduction of pit bulls and other problematic breeds, stop dogfighting and speculation on fighting bloodlines, curtail shelter intakes of pit bulls and other "fighting" dogs, and reduce attacks on people and other animals.” (Above are excerpts. Read more… http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/index.html )
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A responsible breeder follows
A responsible breeder follows a program of health testing, places puppies following an application process, stays up to date with breed information, is aware of genetics and the results of various breeding styles, studies their breed constantly, takes back their puppies, and those sired by their males, if the owner is unable to care for the dog or the dog has a problem, with a guarantee offering some variation of refund/replacement, stays in touch with owners and others interested in the breed, belongs to local and/or national breed clubs, participates in dog activities and cares for their dogs as they do their human family members. This is a Hobby Breeder, a person with the best interest and preservation/improvement of the breed as a goal, the very kind PETA and other so-called Animal Rights people want to legislate out of existance! PETA's ultimate goal is AN END TO ANIMAL OWNERSHIP-INCLUDING YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE AN ANIMAL COMPANION OF ANY KIND!!! This action will make the USDA Commercial (LARGE Scale breeding with the goal of making money) Breeder and Puppy Mill (also large scale but with less oversight and less concern for proper breeding practices/results than even the commercial breeder), the ONLY source for those hoping to find a quality, purebred pup for their family. I chose NOT to adopt again after our new adult dog from the shelter died of distemper aquired during her stay there. We spent many hundreds of dollars, countless tears and sleepless nights in order to save her, only to have her die of siezures from the high temperatures from distemper. Pardon the heck out of me if my family and I did not want to endure that again. You people tell everyone they should not buy a puppy but should adopt a dog. You never mention, however, the high liklihood that dog may be sick or have discipline, mental or emotional health issues not to mention the trauma of their incarceration at the pound. The dogs are largely untrained, have been abused or neglected, and no information is available on the dog's history, parentage, health issues, etc. This may not be safe, especially if small children are in the home! Maybe some of us just got burned out with trying to adopt-our cat also came with severe illness but I saved her by only sleeping when she slept with me, round the clock, for four days. Just bringing her back, as suggested by the pound, was NOT an option once she was my cat. Telling me to adopt is not an option! The only sure way to prevent the breeding of PETS as opposed to quality breed specimens, was early spay/neuter, which I used to do at 6 weeks. Since this is no longer reccomended I can only hope that my screening process and application will get rid of anyone wanting to breed as I do not sell ANY dog to the general public on open registration for breeding, seriously restrict sales of breeding animals even to experienced show people and limit use of my male(s) to only females I want 2nd pick puppy from for myself to diversify my gene pool. My contract is very firm, with penalties/fines for accidental breeding up to and including confiscation of the dog. I have imported from several countries and gone to great lengths to avoid in-breeding, etc. This is a really serious issue for me, and many other people-we are not merely churning out pet puppies here but are devoted to the future of our breed! Really-you people need to learn to distinguish between backyard, commercial, hobby, puppy mill and pet breeders. I doubt you have ever spoken to anyone really serious about what they do. Do NOT attempt to paint all of us into the same corner, please. Audited by the IRS even THEY said they had never encountered a breeder like me-just one of many serious, dedicated, fanatical and well educated hobby breeders-in it for the love of the breed. I spend at least 3-4 times a year more than what I make as everyone must have treats and toys, time and attention. I would have been fine as a pet owner with that lovely Golden Samoyed mix-but distemper made me a breeder. And I think if I have to hear that garbage that everyone must adopt-everyone should stop breeding as long as there are dogs in the pound, (you DO realise this would put the lives of females in peril as it is dangerous to skip/delay too many breedings-even if it is just one) and that anyone buying a puppy must not care about dogs dying I am just going to go off, Off, OFF! dogsRbetter
Because OV does not allow
Because OV does not allow paragraphs, most people won't read blocks of texts as long as yours. You are forced to make points more succinctly here as a result.
is this succinct enough?
is this succinct enough? Merritt Cliftons stats are crap The author of this article is an unabashed supporter of killing animals.
I don't see how you can get
I don't see how you can get out of this that the author is cheerleading animal deaths. The tactics taken in most cases to decrease pit bull abandonment and suffering have not worked. You must decrease the supply and the demand. Trying to encourage responsible people to play clean up won't work. The reason is that given our current state of admittedly imperfect knowledge, a responsible person does not bring a fighting breed with a bad reputation into their home and community. It is more rational to choose a common breed as a pet that does not at least appear to be the number one killer of humans among canines. The pit bull and humane community tactics fail because they rely upon the irresponsible to begin being responsible and the responsible to be irresponsible.
Dubv, look at Alice's handle,
Dubv, look at Alice's handle, isn't that enough to give you a hint of what she is? She's a supporter of "No Kill", that morbid movement that says pit bulls get a bad rap. A morbid movement that places pits above that of the safety of people.
True. As far as No Kill, it
True. As far as No Kill, it is a fine goal for our society. However, we cannot go about living as if our society is as arranged as we would like until it actually is so. Similarly, nonviolent resistance is perhaps the ultimately best form of change on a sane globe. However, when a foreign army headed by a madman is crossing your borders it is foolish to wave peace banners in front of them. No Kill is about the feelings of humans, not dogs and cats.
I couldn't get through your
I couldn't get through your whole comment. What part is particularly addressed to pit bulls and their situation?
application to Pits: THEY ARE
application to Pits: THEY ARE GENETICALLY DIFFERENT WITH HORMONAL RISE OF ENDORPHINS WITH PAIN/FIGHTING/ADRENAL INCREASE. This is why they will continue the attack and inflict greater damage than other dog breeds. While some may bite, and any dog can, the other breeds will USUALLY break off the attack once the opponent is down. If an individual, or three, of other breeds were to encounter yummy goats, sheep, chickens, etc. they might do damage as well. In attacks on people, however, this should not be happening. MOST attacks on people, by breeds other than Pits, are cases of over reaction, misunderstanding, abuse etc. and most are actually a one bite scenario. Few individuals of any other breed, even so-called vicious dogs, will attempt to actually get a person down, continue the attack and have the goal to kill. Fight or flight-the Pit does not have Flight which is why it is so difficult to stop it once an attack has begun. any questions?
calling Phylis D and Clifton
calling Phylis D and Clifton "animal people" is a joke.. for the real story on Cliftons crazy stats read this:
http://lassiegethelp.blogspot.com/2007/08/pit-bulls-dog-bite-statistics-and.html
and this: http://www.nopitbullbans.com/debunking-merritt-clifton/
and this: http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2011/09/merritt-clifton-when-the-numbers-just-dont-add-up.html
as was once said.. "figures don't lie.. but liars figure" guess which group Clifton and Daughtery are in?
And you think those links are
And you think those links are credible? Please stop insulting our intelligence. Clifton is well respected and has been for decades. You buddies not so much so, short lived and bias. Clifton has no money on the game but your buddies do. And when money is involved, people lie through their teeth to get it. Your buddies stand to make money from their lies, Clifton doesn't. So who would a rational person believe - not you.
The picking apart of
The picking apart of Clifton's study seem to involve not understanding his methods (one number being a subset of another), being incredulous about escalating kill rates, or pointing out that it is difficult to estimate breed population and that breed misidentification occurs. Without data, one would be predisposed to be wary of fighting breeds based solely upon a knowledge of their genetics. I defy the pit bull community to put together a rigorous and transparent study that shows fighting breeds to be as benign as non-fighting breeds.
Personally, I feel a big
Personally, I feel a big reason for the high rate of pitbulls in shelters is that people adopt them without being totally prepared for the needs of the breed. Many breeders and rescue groups do not ensure the potential owners have the information they need to truely decide if the pitbull is the right breed for them. A true advocate would not sugar coat the traits of their breed. For example, I am a strong advocate for Mastiff's. When people talk to me about getting one, I will never tell them waht wonderful dogs they are. I will talk about high food and vet bills, gassy, picky eaters, high prey drive in the DDB(and also a tendency toward same sex agression) and by the time I talk about the drool, they have already decided the breed is not for them. I feel I have saved a Mastiff from eventually ending up in a shelter.
gremlin, the fact is few
gremlin, the fact is few Pitbulls are produced by Breeders. They are made by people breeding dogs-a huge difference which most people cannot grasp. If you read my original post, then the nasty, misguided responses it is easy to see why. There is a huge difference between the sources one can purchase, find, be given, trade, etc. access for a dog. Of course a good Breeder will interview, point out in detail the drawbacks of their breed etc. I bred my Champion Parsons once-and never again-because I could not honestly tell people these were great family dogs. They are very active, need s lot of attention, can be destructive, have high prey drive, and other issues which the average person is just not equipped or willing to deal with. That is just being a Terrier-without the added issue of being bred by people who have no qualifications to breed anything. The pet quality animals are used without knowledge of aggression in the lines, health problems, and other issues a Breeder would have deep awareness of. dogsRbetter
A family I know well had a
A family I know well had a bad experience with a jack russell they raised from a puppy with love and responsibility. If in the wrong mood, she would attack other dogs and her people if they tried to stop her. It was a very bad situation for them. The vet had no problem describing JRTs as gladiators and not good pets for people with other animals and kids. Strange we hear so many vet quotes about pit bull terriers being so lovely. It's a whitewash bestowed upon a breed put into a bad spot due to humans. Anyone who chooses a pit bull puppy to raise with their kids is foolish.
There is a mistaken belief
There is a mistaken belief that humans are born as blank slates. Though nurture is obviously important, genetic studies involving identical twins raised in different households (adopted) show a strong genetic component to behavior, mood, etc. This mistaken, blank slate belief is transferred to dogs partly because we imbue our animals with human characteristics. If the blank slate idea is incorrect for humans, then it is even more so for animals with much lower intelligence, such as dogs.
You're spot on. The Jack
You're spot on. The Jack russell terrier community has the same approach. Incidentally, this sugarcoating also endangers humans and non-pit bull breeds. It is a lose-lose. Some here think any dog behavior considered negative can't have a genetic component, or if it can that no negative behavior can be especially typical in a specific breed. Well, some pit nutters will admit that negative behaviors can be genetic and breed specific, but only in the case of those mean chihuahuas (etc)! They truly have no reasonable argument.
Agreed. The comparison Pit
Agreed. The comparison Pit bull advocates make with Chihuahua's is typical of trying to downplay the situation and change the focus off the pit bull. Mastiff's were bred to be guard dogs and thus have high guarding instincts. My English Mastiff as typical for her breed uses her size to intimidate, my Dogue de Bordeaux(also used for fighting historically)will charge like a mack truck. They are not the dogs for everyone. I think the thing that infuriates me the most is when pit bull people call and attack on an animal"an unfortunate incident". Grrr!
Because there is little
Because there is little backyard breeding of the two you mention, and because the breed communities of each are more realistic on average, there is currently little problem from these two. You sound responsible, but I still question why a responsible person would want that responsibility. Not to be offensive, but if I had a particular affinity for a car that could be more dangerous, I would work to change my affinities. If mastiffs and dogues fell into the same situation as pits, what course of action would you recommend? We have a strange set of laws and perspectives regarding pets in our society, they are objects to be owned in some situations but obviously viewed as more than just that. I would like all dogs to be spay/neutered by law, but the most important breeds to being with, if necessary to choose, would be the large fighting/guarding breeds.
My dog pack consists of the
My dog pack consists of the Mastiff's, a Great Pyrenees and Irish Setter. Each was chosen for personality and aspects of the breed I enjoy. I enjoy my Mastiff's and thus am willing to assume the responsibility that goes with owning these breeds. I guess you could also say kids are alot of responsibility and people still have them anyway! LOL I don't feel Dogues and Mastiff's fall into the same situation as Pit's due to the lower number of people owning them. However, those that do still need to be aware of the breed traits for each and ensure they are trained, socialized and supervised..besides having secure fencing(I don't think wooden fencing is good for these types of dogs...most pits that have "somehow gotten out" seem to be in yards with wooden fencing). They also need to know they are responsible for their behavior. Shy or aggressive Mastiff's should be avoided. We have 6 foot high chain link with locks on the gates.
Sure, but all this requires
Sure, but all this requires people to accurately self-evaluate and carry out responsible decision-making. And when something goes wrong, it often isn't the owner directly affected. We don't allow people to determine how to dispose of their own motor oil, why do we allow them to decide how to keep a power breed? If people with certain breeds were legally required to have fenced in yards with certain stipulations, then responsible owners would be largely unaffected (because they would have this anyway) and it would cut demand and overpopulation. Anyone who chooses to own a pit bull breed in an apartment in a highly populated area is irresponsible. However, if we don't at least segregate breeds by weight, then little old ladies couldn't have a mini-toy poodle in their 2 bedroom apartment. So, treating all dogs the same is unworkable.
I agree, it WOULD be nice if
I agree, it WOULD be nice if there was a pit bull terrier equivalent to http://www.therealjackrussell.com/breed/baddog.php that was more popular, so people would know what they are getting into.
The problem is, there is no "pit bull" breed. Most people have absolutely no idea what any of the actual bull and terrier breeds are. "Pit bull" means different things to different people - it's barely even a type, when squat 120-lb American Bullies and 30-lb Staffordshire Bull Terriers and lithe medium-sized APBT are all jammed into the same group along with bulldogs and mastiff-boxer-whatever-mixed-mutt. It's such a catch-all phrase that you can't really predict what the dog will be like temperament-wise, so it's hard to tell if any particular individual dog will be a good match. In general, you have to rely on the shelter staff, who have done their best to professionally evaluated the dog.
I find it amusing that my own mutt and his "cousin" would be lumped together by every single BSL law in existence. One is a red nosed American Pit Bull Terrier that exhibits almost every annoying terrier characteristic of the breed, the other is a chocolate lab/generic blue coat pit bull mix that is as laid-back, sweet & friendly as any dog I've ever met. Almost everyone agrees he *looks* like a "pit mix" - but what exactly is that supposed to mean now?
Despite the genetic
Despite the genetic shuffling, diversity, and confusion on the part of the public; you know that there are still many dogs that can be identified as having a good deal of pit bull genetics within them. This must be widely agreed upon within the dog community. Otherwise, outside of papered dogs whose pedigree could not somehow be lied about, no one could claim to own or rescue pits, and all the positive things said about these supposed pits could be about other breeds. Therefore, I find the "no one can possibly identify a pit bull" meme to be a half-truth at best.
Your comment capitalizes on the fact that induction is imperfect and that some dogs will be inaccurately judged. Of course, this is true, all distributions have some variance. Making decisions based upon imperfect knowledge is part of the human condition. This may negatively impact you, but is it a sound way to think about a dog from the public's perspective? I believe so given that dogs that look enough like pits to be called that by AC and LEO are disproportionately represented in dog bite fatality summaries.
I am not for rounding up all dogs that look like pits. Any BSL I would support would be efforts to decrease the numbers of pit bulls bred irresponsibly. I also would like accurate information to exist so that the public can go about inductive and decision processes as well as possible.
Where I live, if I had to jump into 1 of 2 containers containing a snake and had to view the snake from a distance of 20 feet, then I would jump into the one with the solid, dark colored snake and not the one with the mottled, earth tone snake. That is because venomous snakes in my area can have dark color phases but they are more likely to be mottled. Similarly, if a dog that appears to be a setter is on one side of the road walking towards me and my dog, and a dog that appears to have pit in it is on the other side; I will choose to walk by the setter if a dog-dog interaction cannot be avoided. Prejudgment is imperfect put must be done in life, and it is a process that is absolutely necessary and on average very helpful.
I think may be a "bully Breed
I think may be a "bully Breed and their mixes" may be an idea. When the Bulldog was crossed with the English Mastiff thus creating the Bullmastiff the breed traits of the two combined leads the Bullmastiff to have some issues with aggression. Not surprising since "The foundation breeding was 60% Mastiff and 40% Bulldog; breeders were hoping to create a dog faster and more aggressive than the Mastiff".
gremlin, you and dubv make
gremlin, you and dubv make too much sense, and for most dubv clearly knows too many big words so be careful-the attacks may get aimed in your direction any moment...dogsRbetter
What the heck is this
What the heck is this supposed to mean? If you are trying to be sarcastic, then be clear about it. Otherwise, I'll consider this a veiled, passive-aggressive threat toward me.
Deciding policy based on
Deciding policy based on statistics compiled by Clifton is like learning about evolution by visiting the Creation Museum.
Easy to say, but what
Easy to say, but what specific statistics do you find in error? Do you disagree with the estimates of rates at which pits are abandoned and euthanized?
Thank you for your very
Thank you for your very interesting and intelligent discussion regarding the issues in this article. Here are some little known facts about Merritt's background and experience:
He began his journalistic career as a copyboy for the Oakland Tribune right out of high school. He became a sports columnist for the Sherbrooke Record from 1981-1990, and also was a freelance writer for various baseball and running periodicals. He played semi-pro and town-team baseball in California, Quebec, Vermont, Connecticut and Washington state and developed an intense interest in statistics. He devised a system of rating baseball players in terms of statistical relativity and, in 1978, he published his statistical book, Relative Baseball, which remained in print for nearly 30 years.
His interest in running resulted in his running marathons and writing a weekly sports column about running. He completed 22 full marathons, seven ultramarathons, and a triathlon. But most of his training miles included doing cross-country foot patrols to detect and remove illegally placed traplines as volunteer assistant to a Quebec deputy game warden.
As a farm-and-business reporter for a couple of rural Quebec newspapers, he became aware of a dearth of reliable statistics on humane issues. He began tracking exotic animal incidents and dog attacks in 1979, pet thefts in 1980, mass neglect and dog attacks by breed in 1982, and just kept adding data sets.
From 1986 to 1992 he was lead feature writer and news editor for the Animals' Agenda magazine. In 1992 he and Kim Bartlett cofounded ANIMAL PEOPLE and he has continued his dedicated work for animals worldwide ever since.
should have stuck with
should have stuck with baseball..
I agree that the only way to
I agree that the only way to stop the problem is to target breeders.
However throwing the word BSL around scares me because in Miami that seems to mean taking away family dogs that look somewhat Pibble and throwing them in a pound where someone can't adopt them because of the breed. So they sit in a shelter 2 weeks before death.
The country is broke - therefore create a new revenue. I propose a $1000 FINE for anyone caught breeding or selling Pibbles set in place for at least the next three years. Existing Pibbles should be registered and areas that are worried should think about a muzzle law instead of stealing family dogs.
I love Pitties and they are one of my favorite dogs. But is it worth letting people breed them if "The 2010 U.S. shelter pit bull toll of 930,300 was the second highest yet". It's not even so much about the breed - it's the fact that 930 300 loving animals were butchered for no reason last year.
You are lumping all forms of
You are lumping all forms of BSL into one group and then thinking that any type of BSL will lead to what you consider a worst case scenario. So you are drawing an unwarranted conclusion. I believe it is partly because BSL is such a boogey man term in pit bull circles, so it is hard for people to think clearly about something once that acronym is attached to it in anyway. You can have mandatory spay/neuter of pit bulls and not negatively influence a single living animal. As far as what Clay Hund wrote to you, he never makes any sense. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a pit bull breeder.
Don't fool yourself. People
Don't fool yourself. People will breed them anyway. How do you stop them, like we stopped drugs and illegal gun sales? Can't stop bad people from doing what they want to do. Dogs are trendy with thugs, so this pit bull issue will be over soon, and we'll be over-hyping another breed. As long as people miss the point between canine behavior and people, thugs will seek out the breeds that are feared by the public, media will take advantage of it, people will learn the breed in question really isn't bad, and thugs will simply move to a different breed. this isn't anything new at all. Good luck with your proposal, but it will never happen. The more laws and restriction you put on things, the more people will desire it. Human nature.
Your basic philosophy is
Your basic philosophy is anarchistic. What you write can be applied to any crime and make any law seem useless. This is not a strength of your argument. If I used your same philosophy to evaluate drunk driving laws, you would be flabbergasted (at least I hope). Yet, you write it about pit bull breeding because of your emotional attachment and because you have already made up your mind and now you simply are attempting to support your conclusions.