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For the Last Time, Atheism is Not a Religion!
By Al Stefanelli
I wrote an article a while back that debunks the myth that Atheism is a religion. The topic has come up frequently as of late, especially in light of some of my more recent writing, and it was one of the topics of discussion on the October 4th edition of Pennsylvania State Director Ernest Perce’s television show “Atheist Perspectives,” which I guest host from time to time. Over the past several weeks I have received numerous requests to “reprint” it here on the No God Blog, so without further adieu…
It is suggested by many people that atheism is a religion. Before we can examine why atheism is sometimes defined as a belief, it is important to understand who defines it as such. Rarely, if ever, will you find another atheist, agnostic, freethinker, humanist, secularist, etc., putting the definition of religion in the context of atheism. Almost without exception, it is the religious who do so. The reason is simple. The religious are are so caught up in their own beliefs that imagining another person without having any religious beliefs is largely incomprehensible. Those who claim that atheism is a religion do not only lack a clear understanding of what atheism is, they also tend to use religious terms to describe atheism.
There exists only one definition of atheism, and that is simply the lack of a belief in a deity. There is a philosophical aspect to atheism, but it is not part of the definition, but an extension of the individual. Atheism, in of itself, cannot be described as religous because it takes mental gymnastics to attach the narrative, experiential, social, ethical, doctrinal, ritual and materialaspects of religion to atheism because it is not a structured system with defined rules. It has no uniform beliefs and is not a means of understanding our existence.
With respect to the philosophical, atheism is not a philosophy. Unbelief in Santa Claus is not a philosophy and thus unbelief in deity is not. There does exist within the individual atheist a philosophy that is an extension of their atheism. The philosophical aspects of atheism are germaine only to the individual. They do not surround their lack of belief, but are an extension of their experiences that have been affected by their unbelief. Whereas religion is a shared experience that is directly dependent on and pertinent to specific dogma, doctrine and superstitions, the atheist experience is dependent on nothing and pertinent only to the effect that unbelief has on how the atheist can effectively integrate in a religious society.
Thus, any comparisons that put atheism in the same context of religion are dishonest dialogue. Atheism includes nothing even remotely similar to the religious. Atheists can and do adopt a wide variety of points of view that can include anything except the belief in gods and still fit the definition of atheism. Even those who are outspoken, widely read and well known cannot be intelligently compared to religious leaders, and atheist organizations cannot be compared to religious congregations. There exists none of the aspects that command such designations.
Inasmuch as the religous have a profundity to change the definition of words to suit their propaganda, atheism has no “preachers” nor “congregations”. Atheist groups have leaders and agendas, much in the way as groups such as the United Way. To suggest that atheist groups are religious in nature is not only preposterous, but shows a lack of intellelectual savvy that is common found in very young children. The lack of “faithful believers” and the other inherent charactersistics of religion do not allow for anything parallel between the two other than the assembly of human beings in one place. The religious leader has a goal of uniting his congregation under one dogmatic banner where there is no room for congregational interaction, skepticism or free thought. The atheist organization may or may not have the same speaker at their events, usually not, and the membership is encouraged to interact, discuss and be skeptical, and free thought and expression of opinion is accepted as the norm.
The fact that atheism has a literal definition and completely separate, individualized philosophical extension that is not connected to a common belief also separates it from religion. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in an article on Religion, includes characteristics that in no way reflect someone who lacks the belief in supernatural beings, nor anything that unites atheists on a dogmatic level. Atheism does not include any distinctions between sacred and profane objects. There are no ritual acts or a moral code believed to be sanctioned by god(s), or any characteristically religious feelings such as awe, a sense of mystery, guilt or adoration. Atheism includes nothing even remotely similar to prayer or other forms of communication with the supernatural.
Religion is a system of belief and atheism cannot be classified as a system of belief because there is no belief and there is no system. No rituals, practices, rules, doctrines or dogma. Atheism does not concern itself with gods and it is definitely not a “faith” that includes unquestioning belief requiring no proof. Atheists live according to reason and do not apply a reference to a higher power. Atheism is a scientific approach to theistic belief systems. It is not a theory, requires no faith and has no hidden agenda. While an indivudal atheist may seek to contradict theism by using rational thinking and scientific theory to debunk the dubious and irrational assertions of religion, atheism merely awaits evidence to confirm the existence of god.
Defining atheism as a religion is embellishment and bad philosophy. Atheism has no dogma, no rites, no holy books, no places of worship and no clergy of any description. It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view. Atheism is a religion like “off” is a channel on your television or bald being a hair color.
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Comments
On the changing meaning of
On the changing meaning of words: shakespeare. 'nuff said. On the definition of atheism: i have always balked at the "LACK of belief" idea. i don't think i "lack" belief. i feel that i am FREE of belief in a god or gods.
While i do agree that atheism is not a religion, i lost patience with this article. (sorry) i don't think it's a religion because any atheist, if s/he's worthy of the name, is always subject to having his/her mind changed by evidence. supply indisputable evidence that a god or God exists and i'll change my mind at that moment. religious faith is not like that. while it always exists with and resists doubt, it isn't dependent on what is commonly called "evidence", not in a scientific sense or any other sense subject to rationality. religious faith isn't subject to reason or facts or evidence (there is NO evidence i COULD EVER present that would prove the non-existence of God to the satisfaction of a believer). atheism is. that's why it's not a religion.
Atheism is the understanding
Atheism is the understanding that all knowledge is based on empirical evidence, meaning something is known directly be being observable or it is derivable like a mathematical model in chemistry or physics. There is no empirical evidence that god exists, hence, god does not exist. People of faith reject empiricism as the only source of knowledge, allowing belief to be the basis of some types of knowledge. By belief I mean accepting something as true without empirical evidence. When a believer says "I know god exists," they are saying "I believe god exists and that is enough for me to accept it as true." When an atheist says, "I know god exists," they are saying there is no empirical evidence that god exists, and without empirical evidence you can't assert existence. The use of empiricism and belief is what differentiates atheism from religion.
On the changing meaning of
On the changing meaning of words: shakespeare. 'nuff said. On the definition of atheism: i have always balked at the "LACK of belief" idea. i don't think i "lack" belief. i feel that i am FREE of belief in a god or gods.
While i do agree that atheism is not a religion, i lost patience with this article. (sorry) i don't think it's a religion because any atheist, if s/he's worthy of the name, is always subject to having his/her mind changed by evidence. supply indisputable evidence that a god or God exists and i'll change my mind at that moment. religious faith is not like that. while it always exists with and resists doubt, it isn't dependent on what is commonly called "evidence", not in a scientific sense or any other sense subject to rationality. religious faith isn't subject to reason or facts or evidence (there is NO evidence i COULD EVER present that would prove the non-existence of God to the satisfaction of a believer). atheism is. that's why it's not a religion.
Atheism is a religion. When
Atheism is a religion. When you name your group, it's a religion. Football is treated like a religion. Politics is a religion. The issue is OMG it's not a legal one. Duh, all those are too stupid to be a real religion. Actually, maybe not too stupid. It's not part of the definition because you say it's not. It can be part of the definition in likeness as gay now means homosexual. So acting as if atheism is a stagnant word is naive. You and your people have altered it. It's changed because of the atheist like you. Atheist now days wish the word to stay the same, but when you don't act the same with this old label, the label has to alter to fit you into it. Atheism wasn't a religion, but now it's evolved into one.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
J-Jammer - you're an idiot.
J-Jammer - you're an idiot. Just because you name your group does not make anything a religion. I like Van Halen - they're not a religion, they're a group of people playing music. I'm a libertarian. It's not a religion - it's a political group. I belong to my family. That's not a religion either.
Atheism is no more a religion than baldness is a hair color!
Please STFU because by speaking you only acknowledge how stupid you are! You have no understanding of what a religion is. Try googling first next time.
Look at you defending the
Look at you defending the group. If it is just a bunch of single people under the name, then no one would defend the name, ever. It's like a blond defending their intelligence because of blond jokes. They don't do that because they understand the jokes are jokes. So when someone tells one, they don't get all bent out of shape. Blonds are not a religion. Atheism is. You're defending a word, why? Why are you offended that I say it's a religion? Shows how much you hate religion. Libertarianism is a religion. Anything political is a religion. Do you go around trying to convince people to your way of thinking? Yes. Religion. Go to meetings with people of the same mindset? Religion. You're confining yourself to what legally is a religion. Good thing I can think more freely than you.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
I'm defending an idea nimrod,
I'm defending an idea nimrod, and the proper definition and use of terms, without which people make stupid assertions like you do. Do you even know what components and characteristics are required to be a religion? Atheism is nothing more than the lack of belief in a god or supernatural being. A religion, however, is defined as "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods." Therefore there is just no way - by standard definitions of the terms and their accepted meanings - that anybody but an idiot can call atheism a religion.
Likewise, neither libertarianism nor politics are religion - by definition. It is not a requirement of religion to "try to convince people to your way of thinking" nor that you go to meetings with similar thinking.
I'm not offended that you say it's a religion - I'm saying you're wrong. I am, however, offended by stupidity and I am offended when people wish to promote their stupidity on others. This includes religion because religion is stupid.
So none of these things are religions and you are not thinking more freely than I, rather you are simply thinking more wrongly. Meantime - buy a dictionary or at least Google things so that you may come to understand what they mean.
Gay use to mean happy. It
Gay use to mean happy. It evolved. Funny atheist don't get evolvolution of words. Mighty self centered, haughty and narcissistic of you. And you people think you know everything. You lied, you are offended or wouldn't feel the need to say religion is stupid.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Words can evolve, that's
Words can evolve, that's true. This word religion, however, hasn't. At least not when used in this context. You can use it in other contexts where you might say " is *like* a religion" (notice the word *like*) or "he is religious WRT " meaning he has strong convictions to . But when you are talking about religion - regular old religion, and then trying to attribute that to atheism, which is not a religion, you are conflating the two concepts incorrectly. You are not saying "it's *like" a religion" nor are you saying that an atheist has strong conviction. You are saying atheism *is* a religion and this is where you commit your error. Frankly put, the way you are using the term it is you who is confused, not I.
Also, I think anime is stupid - doesn't mean I'm offended by it. It means exactly what I said - I think it's stupid. My words mean what they are. There's no need to attribute additional characteristics to them, which is what you are doing here. I say religion is stupid because I believe it to be stupid. I don't require offense to hold that belief nor do I require offense to state my opinion. You attributing additionally qualities to my belief is again, where you make an error. I am the supposed owner of this feeling of offense. Therefore I'm the only person in the proper position to judge if I do feel offended. I tell you now, and told you before, I'm not offended. You're insistence that I am is quite simply invalid.
All atheist are wordy, BS
All atheist are wordy, BS philosophical and talk down to people due to a superiority complex. Nothing you said makes atheist not a religion. But what it does is show you're trying to hard to be calm. Therefore you cannot be trusted.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Nothing you said makes
Nothing you said makes atheism a religion. Short enough for ya?
Sorry you have difficulty understanding well reasoned arguments > 140 characters! Must be your generation. Due us a favor and get an education!
Lol. The fact that you label
Lol. The fact that you label yourself as reasonable is great. That's as dumb as stating you're humble. Once you claim it, you no longer are. Your argument was too much because you say so and not based on reality of the times. You can bore others who kiss your butt claiming your so smart, but that ain't gonna happen here. You're going to have to do better than pretending to link things. You must be a teacher in a union and an only child.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
I tire of your stupidity.
I tire of your stupidity. You're not worth my effort anymore. Have fun thinking you won. Too bad the stupid stick wacked you so.
You're new to OV, and this is
You're new to OV, and this is your first encounter with JJ. He is the local troll who the moderators in their questionable wisdom refuse to ban. Please don't respond to anything he says. It is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig. This boy is a hopelessly self-deluded zealot who cannot understand logic, facts, or science. Feeding the trolls only encourages them... please let JJ starve.
CRW is this site's Cyberman.
CRW is this site's Cyberman. He tries to assimilate people to his group think. He cannot stand if you think differently. He'll mention TeaKing as someone who thinks differently that he gets along with, but that's a fun. TeaKing has a weak sauce mind, so he's easily manipulated. Hence Cyberman.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
I was on a muslim site that
I was on a muslim site that dealt with the same mentalilty as crw. After reading his reply, I look at his picture he chose for himself. I was not quite suprised, but it did caused me to pause and consider.
I am new to this site. And right out of the box, someone was already telling me whom i can converse with and whom to ignore. Seems another close minded individual.
Evelyn.S
I was trying to respond to
I was trying to respond to Andrew DeFaria, but OV linked my response to you. Andrew DeFaria had just finished a fruitless debate with JJ. In "real" life, JJ must be a hermit with no friends. No one could be as obnoxious as he is here and maintain any sort of normal relationship with anyone.
Please try and have a discussion with JJ by yourself and see where it goes. You can also go to his profile and track his responses. Judge for yourself. Most debates with JJ end with the opinion that he is stupid or crazy or stupid and crazy. He is not just a contrarian, he is a bully and idiot.
HAHA CRW is a know it all
HAHA CRW is a know it all atheist. He can't be wrong. This is what you think ignoring means? It is what ignorant means. You got that down pat. Bully goes around telling people not to talk to them. Not just not to talk to them, but demand that they don't. You're a control freak.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Now it linked this to JJ...
Now it linked this to JJ... great system here at OV. It is going to start driving away users with its lack of precision.
The system wasn't designed
The system wasn't designed for your wordy replies. It was designed for one or two replies. They had no clue people like you existed.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
I don't need to say that you
I don't need to say that you should or shouldn't listen to his point of view. I believe that people should listen to what others think about another person. Why not? If people listen only to those that don't like me, then those people are not people I care for anyway. It's a great culling device.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Too bad you're just an
Too bad you're just an atheist.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
I feel sorry for any atheists
I feel sorry for any atheists that are, to me, closed minded. They want to restrict our voices, our movements, our way of life and yet they are the ones who want a society that is open to all, with any kind of beliefs and opinions.
I don't begrudge the people who want to believe in allah, as opposed to Christ, but the atheist would be the first to let islamic religion into the public school system so that they could indoctrinate the young minds full of mush in to believing only one true religion is the correct one.
Everybody needs both sides of the story to make a full informative decision for themselves. Like the Ten Commandments. I personally don't believe that the Ten Commandment need to be in any public area, do to the fact that Christians are not under the law of Moses also do to the fact that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins.
And now we are under Grace and not under the law.
Evelyn.S