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Evolution vs. Creationism: Teach in Social Studies or Science Class?
James Madison University psychologist Gregg Henriques has a long article in Psychology Today titled "Teaching the Controversy." It claims to agree with Rick Santorum's views on teaching the controversy over evolution:
Although I myself am an academic and a humanist, I actually agree with Rick Santorum on this issue. The controversy should be taught and understood by all educated Americans because it lies at the very heart of the deepest ideological disagreements of our nation.
This sounds very liberal (in the classical sense) and quite reasonable. However, Henriques then explains what he really means is that we shouldn't teach the controversy, at least not in science classrooms:
An important point of difference I have with Santorum is that I think the controversy should be taught in social studies and political science classes, rather than biology. This is because the real controversy is in the domain of politics and the ideological direction of the country, not in biological science.
Though at first blush Henriques's position might sound fair, there's hardly anything praiseworthy about it. When a Darwin lobbyist says "Teach the controversy, but only in social studies or political science class," that's usually just a polite academic way of saying 'the only people with fundamental objections to evolution are anti-science religious fanatics, and we must warn students about the sociology underlying these wacky beliefs.' Yes, Henriques's article is more respectful than the usual anti-ID material, but its arguments are little better: Despite how Henriques frames his position, the article holds that there is no real scientific controversy over evolution, and we shouldn't be teaching it.
The article improves as it goes along, at least temporarily. Henriques offers a fairly accurate description of some common viewpoints in the debate over origins, as well as a somewhat accurate description of what ID proponents think is right, and wrong, with Darwinian evolution. He explains:
In its broadest, most generic sense, evolution means change, growth and development. Everyone agrees that there has been some changes across the across the (recent) generations. That bacteria become more resistant to antibiotics over time is not disputed by anyone. In the political debates about evolution, anti-evolutionists often refer to this as "micro-evolution", to separate it from "macro-evolution". The second meaning of the term evolution refers to decent with modification, which refers to the belief that all the life on earth emerged from a common ancestor. This is what anti-evolutionists sometimes refer to as 'macro-evolution' (or molecules-to-man evolution) and dispute that this has happened at all. The third meaning of the term evolution refers more directly to Darwin's theory of natural selection...
[T]hose who support Intelligent Design (ID), generally are not opposed to an ancient earth. Instead, they largely make two claims. First, IDers argue that Darwin's theory of natural selection cannot account for all biological complexity and go to great lengths to argue that Darwin's theory of natural selection has been oversold.... The second claim they make is that there is evidence for an intelligent designer. Michael Behe, for example, argued that there was irreducible complexity in the mechanisms of the cell that could only have arisen via a purposeful designer (most but not all IDers believe the designer is a Christian God).
With the exception of the following, everything Henrique just said is more-or-less correct: It's inappropriate to call someone "anti-evolution" if they accept microevolution, and those he calls "anti-evolutionists"are not the only ones who use terms like "micro-evolution" or "macro-evolution". Terms like "microevolution" and "macroevolution" are used regularly in the mainstream technical scientific literature, and were not invented by Darwin-skeptics.
Unfortunately, the article then goes back downhill again:
- Henriques puts in all-caps the statement "CHILDREN SHOULD BE TAUGHT WHY THERE IS SO MUCH CONSENSUS AMONG MAINSTREAM BIOLOGISTS ABOUT EVOLUTION," as if somehow that's the end of the conversation. In fact, we would agree with that statement. But when scientists are publishing scientific critiques of core tenets of Darwinian evolution, especially as they are taught in textbooks, good pedagogy dictates that students should be taught about those arguments as well. In fact, if Henriques's goal is to help students better understand evolution, then he should be aware that students learn science best when taught both the evidence for and against a particular idea.
- He claims, "ardent supporters of ID do not think ID has reached the status of legitimacy that would result in it being taught in high school classrooms." He's right that leading supporters of ID like those associated with Discovery Institute do not advocate pushing ID into public schools, but he's wrong about our reason for that position. Discovery Institute opposes mandating ID in public schools not because of some deficiency in ID arguments. We think ID has plenty of scientific merit. Rather, the priority of Discovery Institute is to see ID develop as a scientific theory, and forcing ID into public schools would take the debate out of the scientific realm and force it into the political realm.
- At one point, he writes that the Santorum Amendment "was originally attached to the No Child Left Behind bill, but subsequently was removed." As explained here and here, that is not exactly correct, and in fact language from the Santorum Amendment was adopted by both Houses of Congress into the conference report of the final N Child Left Behind Act.
Ultimately, Henriques acknowledges that "the completeness of natural selection for explaining evolution is more debated" and "there currently are a number of different elements that are emerging that are causing biologists to question the completeness of the modern synthesis, with some arguing that major, foundational revisions are in order." But then he also claims "the complications do not challenge the basic outline of 'molecules to man' evolution, nor do they point to the existence of an intelligent designer."
That last statement does not follow.
The "complications" in neo-Darwinism point to the inadequacy of unguided material mechanisms to build new complex biological features. An abundance of scientific papers talk about this, but these problems are hinted at by comments in Nature like "[t]he modern synthesis is remarkably good at modeling the survival of the fittest, but not good at modeling the arrival of the fittest" or "the origin of wings and the invasion of the land ... are things that evolutionary theory has told us little about." In fact, in our experience, the only known cause that builds the kind of specified complexity we see in life is intelligence.
There is plenty of evidence for intelligent design in nature, and Henriques cannot dispose of the argument for design so easily.
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As much as I despise
As much as I despise creationism, I think it should be taught in science classes and held to the same standards as real science.
1. Does it predict results?
2. Are its assumptions verifiable?
3. Can its predictions be falsified?
If these standards (or better ones because I am writing these ad lib) have been established, then creationism won't pass these tests. They should be set out, explained, and discussed well before creationism is mentioned so they can be seen as general and not just as a means of attacking it. I doubt this will change the beliefs of any of the tragically mislead children, but it may plant a seed for future thought.
But there is a risk to this approach: it may encourage parents to withdraw their children for home-schooling. Unfortunately many home-schooled children receive almost no education. We hear of the home-schooled kids who make it into top colleges. We don't hear about the ones who must take bottom-layer service jobs because they don't have the skills to do better. One of the most heart-breaking stories I've ever heard was a blog entry of a mother with seven children who wrote that she was proud to be able to home-school her children even though she'd never graduated from High School herself. Perhaps she had taught herself all her children will need to learn, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Children deserve better.
Yes if they teach the so
Yes if they teach the so called controversy ID, then religious schools and Sunday school should be made to teach evolution,the controversy to creation.
Chuck
That would make sense, but
That would make sense, but then they would cry about how it is an attack on religion if they did that.
Personally, I don't see how it is not religion being forced on our kids to put creationism in the classrooms.
They want it both ways and don't care that others would have to suffer through their hypocrisy.
And one other point that many folks may not know;
In Kitzmiller V Dover, it was proven that ID is, in fact just creationism renamed. The idiots didn't even change the wording in their documentation except to change "Creationism" to "Intelligent Design".
Perhaps they need to be reminded of, to the paraphrase of the great bard...."that which we call crap, by any other name, still stinks".
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
"the only people with
"the only people with fundamental objections to evolution are anti-science religious fanatics, and we must warn students about the sociology underlying these wacky beliefs."
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Dishonest Institute: "When a
Dishonest Institute: "When a Darwin lobbyist says "Teach the controversy, but only in social studies or political science class,""
What is a 'Darwin lobbyist'?
Gee, isn't it fun to make up words and pretend they have meaning!!
I have gotten used to
I have gotten used to creationist sleight of hand after all of this time. Kind of like knowing how the illusionist does his tricks.
There are some great videos on Youtube concerning that behavior:
Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80nhqGfN6t8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmbnxtnMB4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3k0dDFxkhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Q2Db17v5U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-7d06HJSs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkY7HrJOhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfifz3C0mI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsnVMjG4lk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XHbRGiQccM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wv6kgjOEL0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmLDKQp_Qc&feature=related
I know that's a lot of links, but for anyone that is serious about clearing up the smokescreen created by creationists and their dishonest and deceptive lies, it is a good start. I have tons more of links and articles and videos save up that I can post as well.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Bullshit is still bullshit if
Bullshit is still bullshit if you decide to do your shoveling in Social Studies class instead of Science class.
Is there some reason that the creatards insist on specifying "Darwinian" evolution? Is there some other kind out there that isn't as well known? I suspect that it's part of their tactic to discredit reality by refuting minor parts of the theory as it was first proposed by Mr. Darwin - even though the theory of evolution has been refined somewhat over the last 100 years, as every scientific theory is as the mountains and mountains of evidence accumulate.
Creation isn't, and shouldn't, be taught in schools because it violates the separation of church and state. Why is it so important that the teaching of scientifically verified evidence and facts be suppressed in learning institutions, when that is the place specifically designated for doing so? Because it's the only way for the alternative (fantasy) to survive.
I completely agree with that.
I completely agree with that. Though it could be taught as part of a comparative religions course, in the context of the various creation myths in the world's many religions.
Outside of that particular and unique context, it does need to stay out of the more substantial educational subjects, such as social studies and most definitely out of the science classes.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
The problem with biology
The problem with biology textbooks, I have found, is that they often boil a principle down to its most common explanation, which is often untrue in many circumstances. Mendelevian genetics is a grand example... Most textbooks in elementary and secondary schools will tell you that one genetic allele is dominant over another, period. This leaves out co-dominance, incomplete dominance, and the truth that very VERY few things are controlled by ONE gene with only two alleles. In effect, this means that the book is wrong... Or, at the very least, not-quite-right. Even college-level textbooks make strange leaps in processes when another parallel process happens to combine at the end.. (I always cite the Electron Transfer cycle in my Cell Biology text - it says at the end, the extra proton becomes water! This confused the holy bajeesus out of me until I learned that other unmentioned-in-this-section processes are making hydroxide ions... Which combine with the hydrogen to make water. AHA.)
Having said that, the problem with humans, especially small ones, is that they build concepts one upon the other; to expose even a precocious child to the entirety of biology without building up a foundation of basics - even if the basics aren't completely correct all the time - is ridiculous. Kids (and adults) must be taught one concept at a time, and for this reason, I merely roll my eyes a little when a kid insists that a certain situation is always true all the time; then remind them that there is no "always" or "never" when it comes to living systems.
For an ID proponent to take a basic textbook for high-school biology, poke holes in it, and say that it's proof of intelligent design - equally ludicrous. I haven't met a single textbook that tells one hundred percent of the entire story - because we are constantly discovering new chapters. This isn't just true of Biology, but also of chemistry, physics, history, et cetera. Children should be taught to not accept ANY teaching as complete... Including PhD-level classes from Dawkins himself and Intelligent Design lectures by the leading proponents... But rather, to look at lessons as a sum of accepted basic information upon which to base their own future pursuits. When a child asks, "but what if...," no educator should say "that never happens". The proper response is, "let's look it up," or, "we don't know yet." To shut a child down from what-if questions implies that the answer is known... To encourage independent thought is what creates scientific discovery, or at least a kid who knows how to do research.
I remember being so confused about that infernal stray proton, that when I was asked to explain and diagram the process on an exam, I put a star in that last little part, labeled it, "MAGIC HAPPENS HERE" and then indicated that the "proton becomes water". My professor had a laugh and explained the rest, saying she gets one student every year who notices that. What bothered me more is that everyone else in the class simply accepted that a single proton just BECAME an entire water molecule.
In the meantime, I don't argue politics, because the whole system is too complex for me to want to deal with. I'd like politicians to not argue biology... It's far more complex than pea plants and stray protons.
The problem, and it is a hard
The problem, and it is a hard one to overcome, is that you don't really get the deeper facts of any subject until you get into college and focus on that subject.
History, being my favorite, is full of errors and outright lies in the high school and grade school textbooks and one doesn't figure that out until they take a college history course for a degree in history, or start doing SERIOUS investigative research on their own, as happens sometimes when studying family geneological records.
Sadly, the same holds true with the other sciences as well. You get a "barely scratches the surface" basics course in school and when you get into college and focus on one of those fields, you start to get the real meat of the subject.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
The Dishonesty Institute ends
The Dishonesty Institute ends their propaganda article with "There is plenty of evidence for intelligent design in nature...," providing a link to an article written by a lawyer on one of their anti-evolution websites. No actual scientific proof, no actual scientific peer-reviewed articles in actual scientific publications...since there aren't any. Pitiful.
"Dishonesty Institute".....I
"Dishonesty Institute".....I LIKE that one. Can I use it elsewhere? lol
That one must be a new addition, added since Kitzmiller v Dover, when their "science" got slammed as religion. The NCSE has a lot of articles showing the flaws in creationism. There are also a lot of videos, by folks that ARE scientists that give evidence of evolution and where the creationists have it all wrong.
You know, the odd Atheist pounds me for being part of a religion (Pagan, not Christian), even though I completely agree with the science. That is so sad, as that attitude is chasing potential allies away.
I love what science does and what we learn from it, but then again, as I said; being Pagan there is not a whole lot of "take it on faith" in my particular path. As a matter of fact, we recognize the myth from the science and understand why the myth exists in the first place, in the context of the intellectual climate of when it was created in the first place.....an issue that creationists cannot seem to come to grips with.
The science behind Evolution and climate change is solid. The "science" behind creationism and climate change denial is......nonexistent, kind of like the Jesus figure in their myth.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Why don't we make a deal with
Why don't we make a deal with the creationists.......don't preach in our schools and the rest of us promise not to think in their churches.
Sounds fair to me.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Simple fact: Intelligent
Simple fact: Intelligent Design cannot account for the diversity of species that have come and gone over the history of the earth. The end.... ID fails as even a hypothesis. For ID, we are forced into the concept of special creation which is absolutely nothing by unsubstantiated nonsense.
If ID were true, then it should be able to identify specific biological mechanisms that could not have evolved, AND the reasons why these things could not have evolved must be explainable in testable terms so that mechanisms and structures that could evolve can be differentiated from those that cannot. Behe has proposed several mechanisms/structures such as blood clotting proteins, enzymes, bacterial flagella, etc. Every single mechanism he has presented has been countered with a description of one or more evolutionary paths. Every time he draws a line in the sand, it moves back. The current line is DNA. However, lack of an evolutionary explanation is not proof of ID.
No one has explained the origin of life. "Molecules to man" is not a requirement of evolution. It is only a hypothesis outside of evolutionary biology. Again, it is people like the Discovery Institute using the fallacy of completeness. They argue that since evolution cannot explain the exact path of dust to dust for molecules to man, it must be false. This is like saying that since astrophysics cannot explain the origin of the position of every object in the sky, it too must be false. This is called sophistry.
The only controversies around the veracity of evolutionary biology exist outside of the legitimate scientific community. The Discovery Institute is nothing but creationists using pseudo-science and false logic to try and trick the gullible into believing there actually is a scientific controversy.
No... there will be no creationism of any form in the classroom. To argue that evolution has issues is to suggest an alternative. Currently, there are no scientific alternatives.
Your logic is difficult to
Your logic is difficult to follow. You seem to believe that evolution has issues - "lack of an evolutionary explanation is not proof of ID", "No one has explained the origin of life", but then you seem to take issue with someone arguing that evolution has issues..."To argue that evolution has issues is to suggest an alternative. Currently, there are no scientific alternatives" - so what exactly are you suggesting?
The fact that science has not
The fact that science has not yet explained every aspect of life is not an indictment of evolutionary theory, and the creationists' fallacy is trying to argue that it does. Science is not a body of knowledge, it is a methodology. If there are gaps in our knowledge, then it is an opportunity for exploration. "Intelligent Design" is nothing more or less than pointing at "terra incognita" on a map and insisting that it is the edge of the world, and you can't sail there without falling off.
Of course the logic is
Of course the logic is difficult to follow.....for the scientifically illiterate.
There is proof available and there are plenty of biologists who can explain it to you in simple terms, as if explaining it to a child, so that you can understand.
Evolution has no issues and this has been proven in a multitude of anti-evolution lawsuits and pro-science lawsuits.
http://ncse.com/
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/8619_issue_11_volume_4_number_1__3_12_2003.asp
Here is a link to the most recent famous lawsuit showing the embarrassing lack of science used to create a fictional controversy between ID and science:
http://ncse.com/creationism/legal/intelligent-design-trial-kitzmiller-v-dover
And Kitzmiller v Dover also proved, beyond any shadow of a doubt that ID is just a re-naming of creationism.
Creationism is nothing but religion trying to pass itself off as science; it is not science; it is pseudo-science.
To make it simple for you, science examines evidence and develops theories (scientific, not common) based on that evidence: theories that change as new evidence comes in, thus increasing our understanding of the natural world.
Creationism does none of that and fills in knowledge gaps with pathetic phrases, such as "take it on faith" or "god did it". That makes creationism/ID RELIGION, not science and therefore unprovable and unsupportable as scientific controversy.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
I am saying gaps in specific
I am saying gaps in specific explanations or the data do not imply ID is true. For example, requiring that scientists list every step in the evolutionary tree that led from molecules to man is not a requirement for asserting evolutionary biology is true. ID people claim these gaps in the fossil evidence show evolution is wrong, The leap ID people make is to say that because evolution cannot explain things like the exact development of DNA, DNA must be irreducibly complex, and hence, designed. This is silly since we see organisms with a wide variety genetic structures, including different numbers of chromosomes, different levels of complexity in the individual genomes, etc., which is exactly what evolution predicts. If ID were true, there could be no genetic drift because DNA could not change without destroying the organism with the change.
There are two pieces to the evolutionary theory discussion that people frequently conflate when going after the theory. The core of evolution is the fundamental theory of how organisms change over time, including concepts such as common ancestry, etc. The second part of evolutionary biology is the body of empirical knowledge, which changes as new data is discovered because things like fossil and geological evidence can be so fragile. Gaps in the data do not equate to gaps in the theory.
So... critics like the Discovery institute will claim that because the empirical data is not perfect and complete, evolution is false, ignoring the correctness of the theory. The analogy I used was astronomy, where new discoveries are made almost daily. The same argument the discovery institute uses against evolution would be like saying that since astronomers cannot account for every dot in the night sky, astronomy must be wrong.
In summary, evolutionary theory is good and scientifically defensible. The data set around evolutionary biology has gaps and incorrect hypotheses. The the theory and the issues with the data are not equivalent no matter how often the discovery institute claims they are.
Is that clearer?
The problem there is that
The problem there is that there aren't, in fact, any actual gaps, That is a Trojan horse argument used by creationists to make it seem as though they have done their homework when they have less of an understanding of the evolutionary process than a common grade school kid.
We really don't get into all of the ins and outs of it; the deep details until we take a college course in the subject of evolutionary biology.
For many, that is where it starts to go over most people's heads and way over the heads of the creationists.
Now, granted that there are a lot of videos by creationists that make all of these claims of "gaps" and other such uninformed silliness and they make some very good sounding arguments, but it is like any other con man; use a good sounding argument devoid of any proof. It's no different from the snake-oil salesmen of the 1800's or the old joke about the "Elephant repellant charm".
On the other hand, there are people out there, from the scientific community; evolutionary biologists, archeologists and others that are actually in the related fields to the science of evolution, that also put out kind of a college level 101 course, of sorts that explains it in terms that most people can understand. No straw man arguments, no "crocaducks" or any of the other lies that creationists use to dispute science. Just the facts.
And contrary to what the creationists claim, science is pretty cut-throat about these things, to the point of being aggressive about disproving as many new ideas as possible, to see if it can withstand deep investigation. That is part of that peer review process that creationists fear so badly.
The reason that evolution is so well accepted by the science community is because the theory has been tested, over and over again, for more than 150 years, every day since Darwin first wrote his initial paper on his theory.
And when you consider how much science and scientific investigation processes have advanced in all of that time, for a theory to hold it's ground under that continuous and withering assault, that says a lot about how unshakable the theory actually is.
And don't forget this important difference in the use of the word theory:
Creationists define theory as "a guess", which is the common usage.
Scientists define theory as "an assumption that explains ALL of the evidence", which is also able to be modified as new evidence comes in to either support or change the assumptions made by the evidence.
This is why Darwinian evolution is no longer considered as anything but the foundation of modern evolutionary theory. A good foundation, to be sure, but incomplete compared to what the evidence that has been compiled indicates and has been built upon as new evidence has come in.
Any gaps that existed when the theory was first published have been filled in by modern investigation techniques by scientists.
Creationism doesn't seek naturalistic answers to the gaps, but science discounts all answers that are supernatural. The supernatural is the purview of religion while the natural is the purview of science.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
All these guys do is
All these guys do is complain. They claim to be able to disprove evolution, but they only offer un-investigated holes and instead of using science to learn, they simply point at them and say, "God did that!"
Everything I do, I do it for you.
I can understand where the
I can understand where the confusion created by Creationists comes from.
They are basing ALL of their arguments on non-science professionals (lawyers, preachers, has-been TV personalities) and out of date (by at least 60 years) information.
They also depend on the straw man argument of "fake evidence" that science has already openly and happily proven as hoaxes, in a vain attempt to "prove" that evolution has holes in it.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.