Kirk Cameron's Movie "Monumental" has "Chilling Agenda"

Sorry, but you're wrong. Try reading any history book not written by the disgraced "historian" David Barton.

I didn't read where people said the movie shouldn't be made, only that the premise is foolish and that Kirk would like us all to go back to 17th century religion.

Agreed. Thanks for standing for Truth. :)

The biggest detriment would be that people behave irrationally when they hear a pronouncement and actually believe that the will of god is behind those words. That's the only motivation needed to turn good people into suicide bombers, or to get someone to gun a doctor down in church. Or lynch people who were born having a different sexual orientation.

Christians have shown repeatedly that they cannot be trusted to follow their own religious beliefs when they do believe with all their mind, strength, and imaginary soul and heart. What would change if the 10 commandments were enshrined into US law over the constitutional prohibition against such? Millions of non-believers would be fined or jailed for working on the sabbath, people would be killing their kids left and right for not honoring their parents sufficiently, and millions of folks would be stoned to death for adultery. What penalty do you think they would ascribe to people found guilty of coveting?

Hmmm... no other gods. So you'd either have to convert people against their will, kill or deport anyone that didn't believe in the same god as you, or sentence them to re-education camps? How would you go about enforcing a ban on blaspheming your sadistic, psychopathic god without repealing the first amendment's free speech provisions (ignoring the no state religion part already violated in this thought exercise)? The whole bearing false witness thing appears to be something that anyone in the public eye (especially preachers) seems incapable of keeping from doing - for example, Pat Robertson pronouncing on television that the nation of Haiti had made a deal with Satan.

Common sense has already led us to enshrine into law rules that coincidentally correspond to the only commandments that could be implemented practically: those against killing and stealing (if you're not a bank or are not obscenely rich, that is). False witness only gets a law if you're in court and under oath.

Funny how rape and battery never made it onto this magical list of things god hates.

I refuse to believe there exists anything like a god who loves me unconditionally, on the condition that I love him back and do what he (allegedly) says - otherwise he'll torture me for all eternity in a place he's already constructed for that very purpose. And who has decided, since the stakes are so high, to avoid leaving anything that could be considered evidence of his existence anywhere within the observable universe.

Once you allow the 10 commandments into law, what grounds do you have for not also accepting sharia? It has exactly the same amount of evidence and fervent belief behind it as the 10 commandments.

"What part of the 10 Commandments, if they were enshrined in our nations laws, would be causing you harm?" Well, most fundamentally #1 1) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." That is in direct opposition to the first amendment of the Bill of Rights. I can believe or not believe in whatever I like and you have no right to insist I believe in your god.

2) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image," Also against the first amendment. None of your damn business how I decorate my home.

3) "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;" I thought I already made it clear that this is unconstitutional god damn it!

4) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." Like the previous 3, this is in direct opposition to the first amendment. None of your damn business what I do on Sunday. BTW, why don't blue laws affect Saturday since that's the Sabbath for Jews?

5) "Honor thy father and thy mother:" Good policy, bad law.

6) "Thou shalt not kill." We already have laws for this. I don't need the bible to know that it's wrong to kill people and it's harmful to our society to allow it.

7) "Thou shalt not commit adultery" And if I do commit adultery are you going to stone me? My wife and I can work out our own arrangement thank you very much.

8) "Thou shalt not steal." Again, I don't need the bible to tell me stealing is wrong. I watched Sesame Street.

9) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." You're going to make lying illegal? Good luck with that. Once you've arrested all of the politicians and police who's going to enforce the law?

10) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house,.....nor anything that is thy neighbor's. HA! Our entire economy is based on coveting.

The bible should have nothing to do with our government. That's why we have the first amendment. You can absolutely practice your religion as you see fit but you are not allowed to inflict your religion on me through legislation.

Do you mean Ben Franklin who spent a good chunk of the Revolutionary War in France sleeping with prostitutes and Thomas Jefferson who screwed and impregnated his slaves? Are those the 2 Christian, biblically guided founding fathers you're talking about? You may notice that even if these ideas were proposed they decided against them. You'll also notice that while the Articles of Confederation allowed for a lot of religious influence in the government the founders recognized that this was not good for the country so they wrote the constitution which explicitly excludes religion from government. They went with that improvement because they saw the damage being done by religious influence.

Biblical imagery was the common cultural currency of the day. The analogies could be understood by anyone who had been raised in the Western world.

The Founding Fathers also used a tremendous amount of symbolism taken from the Masons, as well. Did they intend that all of us should be Masons? The only official explanation of the Great Seal, written by Charles Thomson, insludes absolutely no refernce to any God at all:

"The Escutcheon is composed of the chief & pale, the two most honorable ordinaries. The Pieces, paly, represent the several states all joined in one solid compact entire, supporting a Chief, which unites the whole & represents Congress. The Motto alludes to this union. The pales in the arms are kept closely united by the chief and the Chief depends upon that union & the strength resulting from it for its support, to denote the Confederacy of the United States of America & the preservation of their union through Congress.

"The colours of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valor, and Blue, the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice. The Olive branch and arrows denote the power of peace & war which is exclusively vested in Congress. The Constellation denotes a new State taking its place and rank among other sovereign powers. The Escutcheon is born on the breast of an American Eagle without any other supporters to denote that the United States of America ought to rely on their own Virtue. "Reverse. The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: The Eye over it & the Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause. The date underneath is that of the Declaration of Independence and the words under it signify the beginning of the new American Æra, which commences from that date."

If the Founders revered anything, it was the Roman Republic. It is cited continuously in all of their debates, and formed the basis of most of their decision. They were not Christians, so much as Romans.