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Christian 'Good News Club' Accused of Teaching Genocide to Children
The Good News Club, an after-school club sponsored by a group called the Child Evangelism Fellowship (CEF), is offering bible lessons to public school children that include the biblical story of God telling Saul to kill the godless Amalekites.
In the bible, 1 Samuel (15:3) says: "Now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
However, some people are concerned that this story will teach genocide to children, as various faiths have tried to use it to justify violent acts, reports the U.K. Guardian.
On their web site, the CEF says: "As with all CEF ministries, the purpose of Good News Club is to evangelize boys and girls with the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and establish (disciple) them in the Word of God and in a local church for Christian living."
There over 3,000 clubs in public schools, since a 2001 Supreme Court ruling, which said that the Good News Clubs can meet in public schools in the United States after school hours on the same terms as other community groups. The kids are not required to go to the Good News Clubs and need parental permission to attend.
Beyond the biblical teaching, are follow up questions that disturb critics.
The CEF instruction manual reportedly states: "The Amalekites had heard about Israel's true and living God many years before, but they refused to believe in him. The Amalekites refused to believe in God and God had promised punishment."
"If you are asked to do something, how much of it do you need to do before you can say, 'I did it!'? If only Saul had been willing to seek God for strength to obey!"
A review question in the text adds: "How did King Saul only partly obey God when he attacked the Amalekites? [He did not completely destroy as God had commanded, he kept the king and some of the animals alive.]"
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@BA BROWN: Well your "AD
@BA BROWN: Well your "AD HONOMEN Fallacy" attack was to be expected, when you have no standing. If I where in need of a cop, it would be because insurance regulations require a police report.
In all other cases I would not want an unpredictable sociopath to even be in my line of sight.
As far as police brutality being rare:
Lets examine some indisputable facts.
From January 2010 through December 2010 the National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project recorded 4,861 unique reports of police misconduct that involved 6,613 sworn law enforcement officers and 6,826 alleged victims.
Misconduct by Type Of the 6,613 law enforcement officers involved in reported allegations of misconduct that met NPMSRP criteria for tracking purposes, 1,575 were involved in excessive force reports, which were the most prominent type of report at 23.8% of all reports. This was followed by sexual misconduct complaints at 9.3% of officers reported then theft/fraud/robbery allegations involving 7.2% of all officers reported.
Of all 1,575 officers involved in reported excessive force complaints, 897 (56.9%) were involved in cases of physical use of force complaints which include fist strikes, throws, choke holds, baton strikes, and other physical attacks. 232 officers (14.7%) were involved in firearm-related excessive force complaints, 166 (10.6%) were involved in taser-related cases, and the remaining officers were involved in other cases involving a combination of force types (13.21%), use of police dogs (1.7%), police vehicles (0.4%), and chemical weapons (2.4%).
There have been 127 fatalities associated with credible excessive force allegations within 2010, which means approximately 8.1% of reported excessive force cases involved fatalities. Of these excessive force fatalities, 91 were caused by firearms, 19 were caused by physical force, 11 by taser, and 6 by other causes.
*Note: fatalities listed are only those involved in cases where excessive force or unnecessary force was reported. This does not include all fatalities related to police use of force.
Sexual Misconduct Officer-involved sexual misconduct describes an entire subset of police misconduct that includes non-criminal complaints such as consensual sexual activity that occurs while an officer is on-duty, sexual harassment, up to felony acts of sexual assault or child molestation. Sexual misconduct was the second most common form of misconduct reported throughout 2010 with 618 officers involved in sexual misconduct complaints during that period, 354 of which were involved in complaints that involved forcible non-consensual sexual activity such as sexual assault or sexual battery.
Of the officers associated with reports of serious sexual misconduct, 51% (180) were involved with reports that involved minors and 49% (174) involved adults.
However, of the 479 alleged victims of serious sexual misconduct which were tracked, 52% (249) were minors and 48% (230) were adults. This would appear to indicate that minors are victims of alleged serial offenders slightly more often than adults. Of the 354 officers involved with serious sexual misconduct reports, 56 law enforcement officers were involved in allegations where multiple victims were involved.
The Drug War Effect Per a request from representatives of the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) group, which consists of law enforcement officers who believe current drug policies in the US have failed and are causing more harm than good, we have examined how the drug war impacts police misconduct rates through our statistical analysis. This was a difficult undertaking because some laws and policies enacted as part of the US “war on drugs” have far-reaching impact that extends beyond cases that directly involve illicit drugs. Because of this, we limited our analysis to reports that had some sort of direct correlation to drug policies for this year’s report but may conduct a more thorough analysis at some later date. According to our 2010 data: Approximately 11% of the reports tracked this year involved US drug policies. 698 Law enforcement officers were involved in reported misconduct that involved drugs in some way.
343 of those law enforcement officers were criminally charged, convicted, or sentenced for those incidents. At least 7 lives were lost due to misconduct involving drug laws. At least $11,220,000 was spent in civil litigation due to drug law related police misconduct.
The current US average projected police misconduct rate is an estimated 977.98 officers per 100,000 officers (mean 909.31 per 100k) as calculated using data gathered from all of 2010.
When current data is filtered to examine only incidents that can be classified as violent crimes as specified per the US FBI/DOJ Uniform Crime Reporting standards and then compared with the 2009 FBI/DOJ UCR Crime in the United States report as a per capita general population and per capita law enforcement basis the results indicate that overall violent crime rates are not too divergent between the two population groups with a difference of only 20.1 per 100k point between the two. However, there appear to be some more significant differences at a more granular level with robbery rates for police far below those reported for the general population but sexual assault rates are significantly higher for police when compared to the general population.
While the rate of police officers officially charged with murder is only 1.06% higher than the current general population murder rate, if excessive force complaints involving fatalities were prosecuted as murder the murder rate for law enforcement officers would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%.
There appears to be a correlation between higher misconduct rates and ineffective prosecution of criminal police misconduct charges when we see how the states with the worst prosecution rates rank in the lower 50th percentile for misconduct (with the exception of Washington DC, however DC’s transparency index is the worst in the nation so that locality’s low misconduct rate may be a result of under-reporting).
This is an in-depth report on the Murderous onslaught the citizens of the US are suffering at the hands of police.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE MURDER RATE FOR POLICE OFFICERS IS:
427% HIGHER THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION.
THAT FIGURE IS VERY IMPRESSIVE, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
the murder rate for law enforcement officers would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%.
Chuck
@chuck Thank you for the very
@chuck Thank you for the very informative post chuck, I stand corrected. The web site that you used I had never even heard of.
I still have faith in the guys that I work with. I would have to say that the statistics you mentioned are very disturbing, that is not the whole of LEOs, and certainly not where I live.
I must say that in my area, I have seen some arrested and charged with crimes, but they were prosecuted at the full extent of the law. I may be wrong but from what I read on the site you gave most of the corruption was in larger departments, so maybe that has to do with the amount of corruption and crime.
Let me apologize for attacking you; however I think my assessment of you not calling for help is accurate. Not all officers and not all departments have sociopaths working for them.
@BA Brown: Accepted, I find
@BA Brown: Accepted, I find it amazing that the public accepts the militarization of our civilian Police forces.
Your right about it being a big City problem with the Police, small towns are more democratic and would never accept the type of Police Officers that NYC allows.
When I was a kid in the late fifty's you could trust the Police to do the right thing. Today you have a complete turnaround, with the Police operating as an occupation force and the Citizens as the enemy.
Chuck
@BA Brown: But what Chuck is
@BA Brown: But what Chuck is really saying is that over 99% of Law Enforcement Officers are not involved in these complaints. That's a telling fact. Also missing from the statistics is repeat offenders.
The Catholic Heretic
That is good math. That is my
That is good math. That is my argument about the issue as well. I did'nt mean to upset anyone.
It is like saying all major league baseball players use steriods more than the population because there are less players than people in the USA.
@BA Brown: Exactly. Chuck
@BA Brown: Exactly. Chuck won't admit it or apologize but I can live with it.
The Catholic Heretic
Do you mean like you won;t
Do you mean like you won;t admit there is no god or answer direct requests for proof?
I've said that, given verifiable proof, I would change my position on that, or any, issue. What would it take for you to do anything but bitch?
@Mr. Smith: Why do you insist
@Mr. Smith: Why do you insist rehashing old stuff? I don't know how many times I have to tell you this but here we go again.
For the faithful believer in God no proof is necessary. For the unbeliever no proof would be sufficient.
Also you are caught in yet another lie. You said days ago to BA Brown that you would never return to this thread. Is your word worth nothing to you? 9 - 0.
The Catholic Heretic
@thecatholicheritic: Just
@thecatholicheritic: Just where do you get your facts and statistics. Please post your source, I'm sure you just pulled them out of your ass as usual for you.
Your lack of intelligence is amazing, yet you continually want to debate subjects you only have you're narrow opinion to rely on.
Chuck
@chuck: I got the facts from
@chuck: I got the facts from your post.
"The current US average projected police misconduct rate is an estimated 977.98 officers per 100,000 officers (mean 909.31 per 100k) as calculated using data gathered from all of 2010."
For the mean: 909.31 divided by 100,000 is 0.0090931 which is 0.90931%. Which if you look is 99.09069% are not accused of misconduct. Are you saying your "facts" are incorrect?
Do the math on the other one and you get 99.02202%. Which back up what I said, over 99%.
The Catholic Heretic
@thecatholicheritic: You mean
@thecatholicheritic:
You mean this post.
Lets examine some indisputable facts. From January 2010 through December 2010 the National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project recorded 4,861 unique reports of police misconduct that involved 6,613 sworn law enforcement officers and 6,826 alleged victims. Misconduct by Type Of the 6,613 law enforcement officers involved in reported allegations of misconduct that met NPMSRP criteria for tracking purposes, 1,575 were involved in excessive force reports, which were the most prominent type of report at 23.8% of all reports. This was followed by sexual misconduct complaints at 9.3% of officers reported then theft/fraud/robbery allegations involving 7.2% of all officers reported. Of all 1,575 officers involved in reported excessive force complaints, 897 (56.9%) were involved in cases of physical use of force complaints which include fist strikes, throws, choke holds, baton strikes, and other physical attacks. 232 officers (14.7%) were involved in firearm-related excessive force complaints, 166 (10.6%) were involved in taser-related cases, and the remaining officers were involved in other cases involving a combination of force types (13.21%), use of police dogs (1.7%), police vehicles (0.4%), and chemical weapons (2.4%). There have been 127 fatalities associated with credible excessive force allegations within 2010, which means approximately 8.1% of reported excessive force cases involved fatalities. Of these excessive force fatalities, 91 were caused by firearms, 19 were caused by physical force, 11 by taser, and 6 by other causes. *Note: fatalities listed are only those involved in cases where excessive force or unnecessary force was reported. This does not include all fatalities related to police use of force. Sexual Misconduct Officer-involved sexual misconduct describes an entire subset of police misconduct that includes non-criminal complaints such as consensual sexual activity that occurs while an officer is on-duty, sexual harassment, up to felony acts of sexual assault or child molestation. Sexual misconduct was the second most common form of misconduct reported throughout 2010 with 618 officers involved in sexual misconduct complaints during that period, 354 of which were involved in complaints that involved forcible non-consensual sexual activity such as sexual assault or sexual battery. Of the officers associated with reports of serious sexual misconduct, 51% (180) were involved with reports that involved minors and 49% (174) involved adults. However, of the 479 alleged victims of serious sexual misconduct which were tracked, 52% (249) were minors and 48% (230) were adults. This would appear to indicate that minors are victims of alleged serial offenders slightly more often than adults. Of the 354 officers involved with serious sexual misconduct reports, 56 law enforcement officers were involved in allegations where multiple victims were involved. The Drug War Effect Per a request from representatives of the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) group, which consists of law enforcement officers who believe current drug policies in the US have failed and are causing more harm than good, we have examined how the drug war impacts police misconduct rates through our statistical analysis. This was a difficult undertaking because some laws and policies enacted as part of the US “war on drugs” have far-reaching impact that extends beyond cases that directly involve illicit drugs. Because of this, we limited our analysis to reports that had some sort of direct correlation to drug policies for this year’s report but may conduct a more thorough analysis at some later date. According to our 2010 data: Approximately 11% of the reports tracked this year involved US drug policies. 698 Law enforcement officers were involved in reported misconduct that involved drugs in some way. 343 of those law enforcement officers were criminally charged, convicted, or sentenced for those incidents. At least 7 lives were lost due to misconduct involving drug laws. At least $11,220,000 was spent in civil litigation due to drug law related police misconduct. The current US average projected police misconduct rate is an estimated 977.98 officers per 100,000 officers (mean 909.31 per 100k) as calculated using data gathered from all of 2010. When current data is filtered to examine only incidents that can be classified as violent crimes as specified per the US FBI/DOJ Uniform Crime Reporting standards and then compared with the 2009 FBI/DOJ UCR Crime in the United States report as a per capita general population and per capita law enforcement basis the results indicate that overall violent crime rates are not too divergent between the two population groups with a difference of only 20.1 per 100k point between the two. However, there appear to be some more significant differences at a more granular level with robbery rates for police far below those reported for the general population but sexual assault rates are significantly higher for police when compared to the general population. While the rate of police officers officially charged with murder is only 1.06% higher than the current general population murder rate, if excessive force complaints involving fatalities were prosecuted as murder the murder rate for law enforcement officers would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%. There appears to be a correlation between higher misconduct rates and ineffective prosecution of criminal police misconduct charges when we see how the states with the worst prosecution rates rank in the lower 50th percentile for misconduct (with the exception of Washington DC, however DC’s transparency index is the worst in the nation so that locality’s low misconduct rate may be a result of under-reporting). This is an in-depth report on the Murderous onslaught the citizens of the US are suffering at the hands of police. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE MURDER RATE FOR POLICE OFFICERS IS: 427% HIGHER THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION. THAT FIGURE IS VERY IMPRESSIVE, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. the murder rate for law enforcement officers would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%. — Chuck
Chuck
I am sure you have faith in
I am sure you have faith in the guys you work with. If you didn't, how could you do what you do?
A thing I have never mentioned with you or Irish is that, I personally saw a judge in Asheville, NC alter evidence while on the bench, in court. True it was a minor traffic violation, but, in any other place I have lived, that's a felony. Maybe not in Asheville, though? (I lived in Raleigh at the time)
@Mr. Smith: Is this an
@Mr. Smith: Is this an insult?
"I am sure you have faith in the guys you work with."
It sounds like it because your definition of "Faith" is:
"Again, faith and beliefs are accepting as true that for which there is no evidence for and even much evidence against."
Citation => (Submitted by James Smith on May 16, 2012. (Video: Lacey Buchanan Shows Off Blind Baby Despite Insults)
The Catholic Heretic
@thecatholicheritic:
@thecatholicheritic: Faith:
Synonyms: noun: belief, trust, confidence, credence, credit, reliance, creed, religion, loyalty, fidelity, persuasion.
faiths plural:
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something this restores one's faith in politicians.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
A system of religious belief the Christian faith.
A strongly held belief or theory the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe.
Web definitions:
religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality".
complete confidence in a person or plan etc; "he cherished the faith of a good woman"; "the doctor-patient relationship is based on trust".
religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him".
loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"; "they broke faith with their investors".
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=faith
Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith.
The word faith can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
The earliest Latin writers used vates to denote "prophets" and soothsayers in general; the word fell into disuse in Latin until it was revived by Virgil.
Thus Ovid could describe himself as the vates of Eros (Amores 3.9).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fáith
Faith (Pāli: saddhā, Sanskrit: śraddhā) is an important constituent element of the teachings of the Buddha for all traditions of Buddhism, though the kind and nature of faith changes in the different schools. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_(Buddhism)
Faith:
A feeling, conviction or belief that something is true, real, or will happen.
An obligation of loyalty or fidelity. The observance of such an obligation.
A religious belief system.
Belief and trust in the Christian God's promises revealed through Christ in the New Testament. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faith
FAITH:
Differentia: Accepted without reason or evidence and often in spite of evidence!
http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Dictionary.html
FAITH:
the belief in things that cannot be detected or proven, without evidence or in the face of contrary evidence.
Also an admission of ignorance, and worse, a rigid determination to not be swayed by indisputable facts. (see Superstition)
http://www.flamewarrior.com/glossary.htm
The noun whose verbal actions are to believe and to trust.
When I have faith I believe and/or trust in the person or thing of which I have faith in.
(Hebrews 11:1). http://www.dpnrv.org/?page_id=118
FAITH:
Belief without evidence as in trusting God instead of circumstances.
http://israelsmessiah.com/religions/christianity/glossary.htm
Chuck
"Faith" was the wrong word.
"Faith" was the wrong word. Thank you for pointing that out for me. The word should have been "trust" of "confidence."
I'm happy to see you have taken my definition to heart. When are you going to offer some proof of your faith and move it into the realm of knowledge? Perhaps you believe only because you want to believe. It is, after all, much easier than thinking, especially when you are so obviously ill-equipped for thinking.
Mr. Smith: I used you
Mr. Smith: I used you definition because you violated it. Just making sure you are accountable.
We already tried to discuss faith intelligently but you have a closed mind as far as it is concerned. You do remember that you said:
"May you go fuck yourself, you arrogant asshole. YOu are the most single obnoxious theists I have ever had the misfortune to meet. Kiss my ass, you mother-fucking piece of shit. You're a liar and a hypocrite. If I ever meet you personally, I'll change your life forever. So fuck off dipshit. You are now in permanent and instant deletion mode before I even see your stupid shit."
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you.May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace. Seriously I mean that and I still pray for you.
You remind me of that Star Wars quote, "Let go of your anger."
The Catholic Heretic
@thecatholicheritic: To
@thecatholicheritic:
To announce what the definition of faith is and expect everyone to accept your opinion, takes a impetuous loud mouth who hopes no one will call him on it.
See my above definitions and citations.
Please get an education.
Chuck
You are upset because I
You are upset because I called you what you are? If you don;t like the terms, examine your conduct. You have earned those appellations.
How about you let go of your delusions? But a person's most precious possessions are his delusions. You'll give up your property, position, even your family before you'll part with your delusions.
Yes, you are a deliberately obnoxious PoS. Prove your god exists. Stop ducking the question. Stop trying to change the subject. Sop being an ignorant jerk and honestly answer a single question. Otherwise, you remain a liar, a fool, and a hypocrite.
Yeah that is true, and goes
Yeah that is true, and goes for any occupation I'm sure. I would have second thoughts about working in a hazard area if the person I relied on was constantly taking shortcuts or doing things that are known to be wrong.
I have no doubt that the corruption and criminal acts reach to the highest of offices. I think that if found out of falsification of evidence it would be grounds for dismissal of duties and disbarment.
I thought the same thing.
I thought the same thing. But none of my letters to officials in NC were even acknowledged. Maybe flouting the laws is accepted practice there?
@Mr. Smith: Did you turn him
@Mr. Smith: Did you turn him in?
The Catholic Heretic
As a matter of fact, I did.
As a matter of fact, I did. I wrote letters to the NC bar association, the governor, and the supreme court of NC. Unlike you, I am not an intellectual and ethical coward.
@Mr. Smith: There ya go
@Mr. Smith: There ya go making assumptions again. I turned my son in for stealing my truck. He's still in jail. I'd tell you to never assume but you and Chuck do it all the time.
The Catholic Heretic
There you go again, making
There you go again, making unproven claims. Given your previous record of being an ostentatious prevaricator, I throw the bullshit flag.
Even if true, you are still evading my direct questions. Clearly, it doesn't bother you to be shown as an ethical and intellectual coward.
Dammit Chuck. There you go
Dammit Chuck. There you go again, using verifiable sources with actual facts and numbers. Haven't you been told that this is very unfair to people that only want to believe what makes them feel good?
Seriously, good work on doing the correct research.
FWIW, IrishPM65 has still not
FWIW, IrishPM65 has still not responded in any way. I have also checked with the Buscombe County Sheriff's department. Apparently, they have never heard of him, either. ONe of his other lies seems to be that I have never caught him in a lie. ROFLMAO!
It isnt Buscomb its Buncombe
It isnt Buscomb its Buncombe County. BTW I never claimed to work for them. You did as always you assumed. The number one reason I didnt tell you who I worked for is for that very reason. I wouldnt let a dumbass like you jea pordize my position. It isnt wise to let strangers know where you work and live.
You're right about the
You're right about the county. I did misspell it. The reason you didn't tell me is because you're a lying coward. Yes, it might jeopardize (one word, not two, also check your spelling again)
No, it isn't a good idea to let anyone know where you work and live when you are a liar with plenty to hide. How about that, "practicing attorney in good standing" one?
You also lied directly to me about a "truce." As always, you hide, lie, and then scramble to excuse your pathetic evasions. You're a pitiful example of what human being should be. Keep lying, keep hiding, never prove anything.
BTW, I see you've locked your Photobucket page. Maybe you don't want me or anyone else to notice you lied there, too?
Do you get some kind of mental masochistic thrill from exposing your mental and moral failings in public?
Not hiding you only post on
Not hiding you only post on here the things that you want the others to know. You fail to show that I have given you proof. I locked the photo bucket because you are not a friend of mine. I only released the photos to prove to you that I was who I claimed. Of course you tell everyone I have never shown proof. It is ok many realize you are an old lying fool. The truce was true but you again attacked me after agreeing to the truce. And once again you elderly dementia patient I answered on my cell which does not have the spell check that you so desperately rely on.
The only one on here with any mental problems is you James. All of the issues of, little man complex, narcissism, and egomania.
No, you have not shown any
No, you have not shown any proof. Photos of unnamed people with no supporting evidence are not proof of anything but that you have something to hide. BTW, I just put two more proofs of my identity on my Photobucket page.
Let's run a poll on here and ask how many think you were lying and how many think I am. Keep in mind I have already caught you in obvious lies on here. You said you had responded on my blog page and I showed you had not. You said you were a practicing attorney and I couldn't find you listed either in Buncombe county or even in North Carolina.
If the truce was true, and I responded positively to it, why was the very next thing you posted to me on Yahoo and on here full of threats and hate? It was not I that attacked you, but you did first - another lie by you.
I do not desperately rely on your cell phone spell check. You also lie about that. You refused to answer me about what model phone it is and what applications are on it so I could point out to you how them spell check works. You always ignore things that you cannot or do not want to answer. That's part of the complex of being a coward and a liar.
I also note you have ignore my response to the "reservation" you claim to have made for me. I pointed out that a real reservation would contain dates, destinations, the name of the traveling party and both departure and arrival times. For the edification of those following your lies, here's what you sent.
PM Irish
2:17PM CVG 6:17PM Economy
$265.10
Select
total priceDetailsDetails
Economy Comfort may be available. NOT AVAILABLE
DL 1934
DL 52801
1 stop
ATL1h 33m4hOperated by:1 ExpressJet Dba Delta Connection
I'll believe it when the ticket is in my hand. You've shown yourself to be completely untrustworthy for me to do anything less. Even then, I won't totally believe it until I am allowed to board. You're the kind of person that would cancel at the last minute.
Remember, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. I have nothing to lose even though I expect to gain little. I've already amply demonstrated, with your help, the kind of person you are. That's satisfaction enough, allowing you to destroy your own life would only be hastening the inevitable.
No james it was to show that
No james it was to show that I am looking for a reasonable ticket for your sorry ass. BTW I am exchanging info with another person on here because we have something in common. He has seen my proof and will be posting about it. This is to prove I am telling the truth. I still will not release the full info to you as I dont trust you. And I dont need your help with my phone I know what features it has and doesnt have.
You won't prove anything
You won't prove anything because you have something to hide and you're a liar and a coward.
Now, you're hiding behind another person and you expect me to believe that? I've posted more proof and you ignore that as you ignore anything that you can't think of an answer or even a decent lie as a response.
You said you were posting more proof, then immediately locked your Photobucket page then deleted all your uploads. You have lied so much on here and to me directly that you have zero credibility.
You never respond when I catch you. Such as there is no attorney listed in N.C. by the name you gave. Admittedly, you may have lied about the name. That doesn't make anything better, does it?
You're a liar about your phone, too. If you were not, you'd be happy to tell me the model and apps installed, if only to prove me wrong. I didn't ask for your number, so how can,knowing the model and apps be a danger to you? That is, other than to show I am right and you don;t even know how to use your own phone.
You really aren't very good at lying. But that could be simply because you aren't smart enough for that.
Clearly, you still don't know what apostrophes are for, either.
All the hiding you are doing only says you have something to conceal.
BTW, how did you like my newspaper articles? Mine prove what I say is true.
It is a bit flattering that you assume I can fake all of those documents but they are really a bit beyond my skill level. In any case, why would I bother for a simple fool like you?
Keep hiding, running, and lying. Those are obviously your plan and only skills.
Hello again Mr. Smith. We
Hello again Mr. Smith.
We have spoken before on other post and such. I wanted to touch base with you in reference to on-going argument between you and Mr. Irish.
He and I have something in common, he is a SWAT guy and so am I. I happen to be a tactical paramedic on a SWAT team in Western North Carolina. After seeing the back and forth I looked at the info you presented and found it interesting, as I believe I pointed out before.
Anyway, I then tried to look at his info and found that I could not. So I contacted him via yahoo messenger and then further telephonic conversations. I have found him to be very forth coming in all of the matters that have been issues between the two of you. He has withheld certain info from you and some of it I see as a smart move. Some of it I think he was a little over reactive. He showed me the original argument and showed what you said to facilitate the argument, and that he over stepped things when responding to you about “bitch slapping”. Now as far as you, I find you as being harsh and a little over the top on issues. A man of your age certainly should be able to rise above this pettiness. Martial arts advocates restraint, and educating others about the reasons for self- defense, not attacking and threatening like you have on here.
Now before you start asking me about my private life, I will tell you that I have no photo bucket to show you photos, although I may make one because I like yours and Mr. Irish’s. I will be glad to converse with you on Yahoo messenger just send me your ID. I will not agree to fight you because I don’t fight for fun, and someone that threatens me with “superior” skills I just remind them that Sam Colt made us all equal lol. I look forward to hearing from you.
BA Brown: Your right COPS
BA Brown: Your right COPS don't fight, their mostly cowards that need back up.
Most cops are sociopathic or narcissistic personalities, these types are naturally attracted to police forces, for the abuse they are able to give out.
The psychological exams for police applicants have been slowly manipulated for the last ten years, to allow more sociopathic and narcissistic personalities onto the country's police forces.
This is because the 1% knew the people would become aware of their take over of our government and they didn't trust regular people who where cops to be brutal enough in suppressing the peaceful mass protest that would follow such a discovery.
They where right the cops of ten years ago would never have committed the crimes the present day cops commit on a daily basis.
Murder, unprovoked assaults with resulting perjured arrests for assaulting cops.
If you even attempt to dispute this fact all you need do is go to u-tube before hand and search for police brutality. You will have enough to keep you busy for years.
Chuck
@chuck Spoken like a true
@chuck
Spoken like a true nutcase conspiracy theorist. I guess if you ever where in immediate need of a cop you wouldn’t call for help. Maybe at three in the A.M. in a downpour, maybe you wouldn’t want a cop to stop and help you if your car was broken down. Or maybe if there was a violent criminal on the loose in your neighborhood you certainly would rather the cops just stay out of the area. Sounds like you have a few sour grapes you like to spread.
How about these stats 683,396, cops in US in 2006. Police misconduct 5,086 cases between 2004-2006. According to these stats you can pick up online, police brutality is extremely rare. According to this study, 0.012 percent of our nation’s law enforcement officers were even reported on misconduct, let alone found guilty of it. 99.98 percent of the police that protect our nation’s people are well trained professionals that simply have the desire to serve our community. Here is another stat for you every 54 hours a police officer is killed in the line of duty. Now for every one firefighter killed on duty, three police officers are killed on duty.
Before passing judgment how about looking up some statistics about the issue, do you don’t look like a total moron on your posts.
@BA BROWN: READ MY INTENSIVE
@BA BROWN: READ MY INTENSIVE REPORT ON police brutality.
THE MURDER RATE FOR POLICE OFFICERS IS 476% HIGHER THAT THE GENERAL POPULATION.
http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/#_Excessive_Force
I THINK YOU CAN BE PROUD YOU WHERE RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING. COPS CAN AND DO KILL CITIZENS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.
Chuck
@BABrown: You're wasting your
@BABrown: You're wasting your time with Chuck and Mr. Smith. Even when you prove them wrong they will never admit it. They spout off supposed "facts" but ignore any you present. In their minds they are right and you are wrong. The rarely, if ever, cite a source for their "facts" and apparently make it up as they go along.
I think what the majority of the population forget is that Police Officers are humans. They have human emotions that sometimes over rule good sense. They are no better and certainly no worse that the rest of the population. If you treat them with respect then more often than not they will treat you with respect.
Chuck is a child of the media. He believes everything he sees in print or on TV that aligns with his views. Those are his facts. I saw a video online once where a Police Officer was beating the crap out of a suspect. On the surface it looked like brutality. When you get the rest of the story (on page 64 of the proverbial newspaper) turns out this guy had just killed someone and was holding a gun while the officer hit him and yelled at him to let it go. I searched for the link but could not find it, so I guess Chuck and Mr. Smith will call it hearsay and not a fact. But I bet you could find others.
TCH
The Catholic Heretic
You are the liar. I have
You are the liar. I have challenged you personally several times to prove that anything I have ever posted is not true. You have never done that. Mostly, you ignore the challenge because you know you cannot do it. To your crippled mind, denial, is the same as proof.
You lie again, Chuck1 and I often use verifiable sources but you never do. Tell me, when have I "made up" a source?
You should be much better at prevarication, you do it often enough. You seem unable to learn from your mistakes.
@THECATHOLIC HERETIC: YOU'VE
@THECATHOLIC HERETIC: YOU'VE NEVER BEEN RIGHT.
Chuck
@chuck1al: In your mind
@chuck1al: In your mind that's true.
The Catholic Heretic
In fact, it is true. You
In fact, it is true. You have been shown to be wrong many times and challenged to prove any of your ludicrous statements. You always ignore those requests. Do you seriously believe no one sees this or knows why you won't reply? Even you cannot be that ignorant.
@Mr. Smith: Lets let you last
@Mr. Smith: Lets let you last e-mail to me speak for itself (swear words edited) "May you go f**k yourself, you arrogant a**hole. YOu are the most single obnoxious theists I have ever had the misfortune to meet. Kiss my a**, you mother-f**king piece of sh*t. You're a liar and a hypocrite. If I ever meet you personally, I'll change your life forever. So f**k off dipsh*t. You are now in permanent and instant deletion mode before I even see your stupid sh*t.."
The Catholic Heretic
I see you don't like it when
I see you don't like it when I express the truth and my honest opinion. But you despise truth anyway. So yes, I stand by it. You are a despicable liar and a coward, deliberately obnoxious and a hypocrite. Changing your life would be a good thing for humanity.
As I have said many times, prove to me the existence of your god and I will change my position. What would it take for you to change yours? I have the idea that it would require an infusion of intellectual and ethical courage.
@Mr. Smith: It's not that I
@Mr. Smith: It's not that I didn't like it. It makes you sound uneducated, illiterate, ignorant and angry. Why do you insist on swearing all the time? You constantly call people names, belittle them and wrongfully accuse them of things to which you have absolutely no knowledge. Where is this coming from? Is it because you hated your parents and thought them stupid liars? You do realize when you call Christians names and lump us all together you are doing the same to them?
I truly believe you need help. There are all kinds of wonderful books that could help you over come the issues you had growing up. Here are a few:
1) Toxic Parents: Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy and Reclaiming Your Life. 2) Forgive Your Parents, Heal Yourself: How Understanding Your Painful Family Legacy Can Transform Your Life. 3) Why You Still Need to Forgive Your Parents.
You could also look at these: 1) http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/05/Live-For-Something-Outside-Of-Yourself.aspx 2) http://www.stevenaitchison.co.uk/blog/12-ways-to-forgive-your-parents/
The Catholic Heretic
It is typical of you that you
It is typical of you that you belittle my parents. I have said many times that, although I disagreed with them in the matter of religion, I respected and was appreciative of them for equipping with the work ethic and skills to thrive on my own at a very early age.
You claim I cal people names and insult them when I have pointed out many times that those are merely statement of observed facts. Such as you go to great lengths to be an obnoxious asshole. An example is here when you accuse me of "hating my parents" when you have no evidence of that.
I truly believe you are a willfully stupid person wallowing in your own ignorance.
A truly wonderful book for you would be the Bible. Read it as if you had never heard of it before and apply some independent thinking instead of believing the BS you have been fed. You'll see how it is a collection of lies and, contradictions, and impossibilities. Reading it was what showed me the truth and I have had a free, exciting, and wonderful life since then. It can be yours too. Remember, "The truth shall set you free."
As always, this mental coward
As always, this mental coward ignored direct requests for proof of anything. Does anyone have to wonder why that is?
He has no proof so the easiest thing is for him to pretend the question was never asked. Then he can strut around like an inebriated pigeon and claim victory. It must not bother him that he constantly reveals himself to be a hypocritical fool.
As the Irish coward does, you
As the Irish coward does, you have never offered any proof of anything. He did lie about many things. Such as being an attorney, posting to my blog, not responding to me any longer, that he was "buying me a ticket," and was going to "Kick the shit out of me." Obviously, when someone lies that much and often about trivial things and then refuses to prove anything about themselves, I feel it is safe to assume they have something to hide.
It is typical of internet commandos to make thinly veiled threats as you have with your "Mr. Colt" remark. Did you seriously believe that would get you respect from me?
FIght for fun? What gave you the idea anything about it would be fun? That's a remark typical of someone that has never been in a serious personal combat situation.
You will understand why I don't believe anything you say about yourself and I've already determined Irish, or whatever his real name may be, is a liar and an intellectual, ethical, and physical coward. Why you would want to associate yourself with someone like that is a mystery. Unless you are really the same person, which is what I expected when he said I'd be contacted by "a friend."
Mr Smith I have always been
Mr Smith I have always been respectful of you. I have not made any statements for you to need any proof of. The statement about Colt was an attempt to lighten you up a bit You are too sensitive. I will make a photo page just for you. I dont need your respect. I lam not Mr Irish but I have more respect for him than you. The team I am part of would never use you as an instructor simply because of the way you present yourself. BTW zi am a tactical medic with Cherokee County SO in Murphy NC. And a National Registry PM and ork with EMS in the same county. I have experience in personal combat. No I will not stoup to your level and threaten you. And for the record you dont impress me.
I was not trying to impress
I was not trying to impress you. What you think doesn't matter to me at all.
Tell me anything I have said that is not true. Irish, or whatever his name is, has lied repeatedly and I have proven it. He is a coward, intellectually, ethically, and physically.
WHat makes you think I would want to instruct you? YOu are so full of yourself that you could accept instruction from anyone.
Sure you have experience in personal combat? I doubt that very much. Your Colt remark was to "lighten me up?" You're a liar. It was a very thinly veiled threat. So don't try to weasel out of that. It only convinces me that you and Irish are the same person.
That's the same way he has been. He makes comments, then tries to claim they meant something else when he is called on them. That's also how he tried to squirm away from being shown the bible was contradicting itself. He said the verses needed to be "correctly interpreted." He would have me believe his "omnipotent god" delivering "divinely inspired" text would do so poorly with it that it would require mere humans to "interpret it for other humans. That's about as contradictory and ignorant as the babble examples I gave.
For the record, you are as unimpressive as Irish, more evidence that coward is hiding behind another fake ID.
Mr. Smith. I have experienced
Mr. Smith.
I have experienced more than you probably can imagine. I worked my own son in one of the most horrific dog attacks I have even seen in my 20 year career as a paramedic. I am not fake, and I don't make veiled threats. I don't make threats at all. You on the other hand are one of the most antagonistic individuals it has been my displeasure to ever blog with.
I gave you info on who I am and what I do for a living, and even where I do it. It isn't hard to check out. My National Registry number is P0982716 you can go online at www.NREMT.org for the proof that you so demand. Bruce A. Brown is the name, look it up big mouth. I also am a State of North Carolina Paramedic P034995 which you can look up as well.
Personal combat, I have been in many situations, from being in the military, working for various Sheriff's Departments, the State of Florida Department of Corrections, and I was a Fire Fighter, and guess what, I guarantee that there is nothing in your martial arts history that comes close to fighting a working fire, and NO STRESS like working a person who is dying right in front of you. So don't presume to tell me anything about personal combat.
I don't believe you have ever done anything of any consequence in life and that is why you present yourself as you do here. As for teaching me or any of my team mates anything, you are an absolute joke. The honor that most experts show is absent in your posts, as for anyone wanting to meet and fight you, PLEASE stop trying so hard, you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a complete idiot. No one in their right mind would travel at any expense for a deluded man who makes the claims and threats that you do.
One piece of advice, don't try to play the game with me that you did with Mr. Irish, don't try to start trouble with the info I gave you. I don't mind if you check me out to see if I'm telling the truth, but that’s it, nothing more. In other words don't call my job with intentions of causing trouble. I have NOT threatened you, no matter how you feel about the "Colt" remark. In order for that to have been a threat I would have simply said I would shoot you, I did not say that and didn't mean anything other than a joke, that is why I said lol at the end. I do believe you have mental issues and that is why you are so sensitive; maybe you should have an eval just in case.