American Atheists Incorporated Posts Billboards that Attack Religious Faiths of Romney and Obama

Haven't we proven by these comments that it is a waste of time for Atheists & True-Believers to talk to each other. You cannot make mystics give up their Spiritualism or skeptics give into unproveable speculation. Let us just agree to disagree, and hope that most Americans will always support the First Amendment which protects all of us.

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"OK my fellow believers let me tell you what it is all about.

When people panic that the truth will reach those who they have conned into believing in erroneous beliefs like atheism, they try every trick to ensure that no new information reach those they have conned .Now the Atheists provoked a debate on whether or not GOD exists but are now panicking that Christians were ready to take them head on with facts and the truth will get to their members and these members will run away and come back home to Christ. You see they had anticipated that we would simply say we believe in faith, so that they start one big heckling, but unfortunately for them, they have realized that our faith is based on those things we have seen, those things we know, and as someone has said “we tell them that our faith is based on those things we see, those things we know so that this strengthens our belief in those things we cannot see. You see, if I told you a leopard is hiding in a thicket, and you are not seeing it, you may believe or you may not. But if you see the foot steps of the leopard going to the thicket, you will certainly have enough grounds to have faith that indeed a leopard is hiding there.” So what we have seen and what we know has strengthened our faith.

Now the Atheists are in disarray and the only card left to them is that of abuse and heckling—or is it not heckling when some brags how smart she is than anyone else? And why abuse? You see abuse is very effective at making sure information never reach those who need it or those held captive. Abuse does the following:

1) When a person of honor tries to reason his/ her statement will have great impact. So what better way of preventing information from reaching those intended than abusing such a person of honor into silence? Mission accomplished! To achieve this, the abuses here will have no limits: they can boarder on what an insane person would say and what one on hard drugs would say. And it works. When a noble person has been abused using some unmentionable phrases he/she will not continue giving his/her reasoning and so abuse has achieved what it was meant to achieve namely preventing any reasoning.

2) Abuse trivializes debate. You see if you are abused, and then you answer back, it will be seen as just another shouting match and many people will not get the information intended for them. Again abuse has worked.

3) When abuse is mixed with something that might appear to sound as truth, to many people what is picked is the latter and this makes it appear as if the abuses are justified thus creating a very good tool of divide and rule. That is why you find here that a torrent of abuse will be issued followed by attempts to quote some injustices to try and divide and rule. Surely we know this and they should try other tricks.

And so abuse becomes an obvious, characteristic of those who want to prevent information that would liberate those they are holding captive. Are you surprised it is a characteristic of these Atheists?

And so when we know that this is their weapon, how do you destroy the weapon? We can do this by:

a) Behave in such a way as to be calm and don’t lose your cool. This will annoy them more. But do more refuse to be abused into silence.

b) Ignore the abuses completely but remind the abuser that it is uncouth to insult everybody. Then place your arguments forcefully. This way they will not achieve their objective of abusing you into silence and you will help many."

CalebRW, I must admit that for a 20 year old, those who sent you have taught you very well how to heckle but not how to reason. If they had taught you how to reason, you probably would have been useful to them but unfortunately by now, partly because of the posts you have placed here, people have already known a lot of things. For example, they have known that there is plot to destroy America by exporting American jobs and destroying the American economy and the American people will demand to be told what is the role of each entity involved in this evil scheme in the execution of this plot; people have known that there is NOTHING on which the obnoxious claim that there is no GOD is based only this claim is purposely used to create irritants who will heckle Christians the bigger aim BEING TO MAKE CHRISTIANITY TRIVIAL and then destroy it and after destroying Christianity then they will destroy America. This they will do by completely destroying her economy first and next by destroying America through other means; people have already known that there are subtle means of interfering with the separation of state and religion one being creating a religion called atheism whose only different from other religions is that it makes some obnoxious claim there is no GOD, then making this religion called Atheism appear as no religion at all and then this atheism religion start telling us to remove any mention of GOD from our public life thus ensuring that all other religions—Judaism, Christianity, Islam,etc are evicted from our public life because after removing any mention of GOD from our public places, no GOD will be remembered (thus making all the religions based in the believe in GOD disappear) and hence only the teaching of this atheism religion that there is no GOD will subtly remain unaffected ( for if the name of GOD can be made to be forgotten, what does it matter to them anyway since they do not believe in any name of GOD). The Atheist religion will then be strengthened by manipulating ignorant masses and consequently, the religion of atheism will practically not have been separated from state and will finally become the controlling power of government behind the scenes; Go tell those who sent you that we have seen through this and will not fall for it; go tell those who sent you that when the good people who were tricked into joining atheism realize what this bigger picture is, they will come back to where they belong because they will not at all condone such behavior and that they will get this facts whether someone tries to mask debate on these issues or not; Go tell those who sent you that people have known this. Go tell them that all we need is to know whether they have a plan to destroy America by destroying the youth and children the way they seem to have possibly destroyed you; GO tell them that the debate they provoked using abuse (and they seem to have taught you abuse very well) has made the questions I have placed here below emerge and it these questions we want answered—not some uncoordinated talk of someone they need to teach better –talk of the type you have filled this site with. Go ask them why they think anyone will allow them to destroy America. Of course for that little admission you made that there is a plan to destroy America, possibly if you behave they will not cane you because caning in school is prohibited anyway. Tell them to teach you not to contradict yourself: for example, in one of the posts here below, you seem to be speaking for other religions yet these other religions also believe there is GOD but you don’t. Maybe they will not mind this embarrassment you’ve taken them through and will give you proper lessons on how not to contradict your self. I pity them if they fail to give you proper lessons because you will unknowingly disclose for all to see what their agenda is.

At the risk of repeating myself, tell them that I have asked you to tell them to know what to do because many of those who were tricked into joining atheism will get the facts why they should not be there and will all come back to where they rightfully belong because they have lots of intelligence.

As for you, since I am a good teacher, and even for students who are slow learners I am patient until they comprehend something, I will give you some homework: Go look, from the bible, for the verse that says; A WISE MAN CHANGES HIS MIND, A FOOL NEVER.

I personally would like to declare to all the never-wavering, unshakable and everlasting truth that: THE MOST HIGH GOD EXISTS AND HE LIVES IN HEAVEN AND JESUS CHRIST IS HIS SON OH YES, JESUS CHRIST IS KING.

The blasphemy that have been profusely spewed here and more that will be spewed out at every opportunity people get,the aim being to make Christianity trivial, will not change this everlasting truth. As for those spewing blasphemy profusely here, spew more but note that you never know when you can have your door of mercy closed.

People of America, I now address you directly in this my final submission to this debate. We are told elsewhere here that some bill boards that contained some disparaging remarks about Christianity were put “to provoke open dialog about religion in US politics.” What we are not told is why use abuses to provoke debate. There is nothing wrong with provoking a debate. However it is my humble feeling that putting up bill boards that abuse more than one billion Christians all over the world; making claims that there is no GOD thus abusing millions of other people like the Jews, the Muslims and many others because by the very claim that there is no God you are implying that what they believe is nonsense; and then when asked for a prove of your claim you start saying only other people can be asked to prove not you—I feel this is not the right way to go about provoking debate. I feel that if you want to provoke debate, and you are sure of your facts and that your main intention is not to be just a mere irritant, you go even to a major news paper put up your claims that there is no GOD there and then place the reasons why you say so there. No sane person will say this is wrong because, we Christians or any body else will respond to your reasons as given and then the people will make a choice. That is how civilized communities operate. But when you abuse others and when asked to substantiate your claims say you will not because it is only others who should to do so and not you, then I think something is wrong and you need pity, not condemnation.

If one goes through many of the articles here, he will realize that I have given a challenge: let those claiming there is no GOD bring, in written article, the reasons why they claim so and we who believe the almighty GOD exist bring, in a written document, the reasons why we believe so and in this way people will see the arguments of both sides and make a decision. We are already tired of being given the obviously tired talk of how only us are to prove but not others, the reason being that we are not the ones who have made the claim that there is no GOD. This tired talk of how only us are to prove but not others, is talk that is aimed at masking cowardice; at masking the fact that people may not know what they are saying. This is a position that needs pity, not condemnation.

As far as this challenge which I have given else where here is concerned, I still stand by this.

People of America, in the course of this debate, some fundamental questions have emerged. Maybe the provokers of the debate might not have intended some of the questions to emerge but nevertheless, they have. These questions need answers. These questions people of America, which I feel are too important for anyone to start playing around with are:

1) Does God exist? Can those who say he does exist prove so? Can those who say he does not exist prove so?

2) Is Jesus Christ (see how he was called useless in a bill board) a historical figure? Can those who say he is prove it? Can those who say he is not prove it?

3) By stating that there is no GOD, and if people in question NO1 above cannot or fail to or refuse to prove that he does not exist, is such a statement therefore no just merely aimed at introducing doubts to impressionable and vulnerable children and youth, oh yes doubts as to whether or not GOD exists, the main aim being to destroy Christianity and eventually America because it is only the rich heritage that Christianity give to Americans that make it very difficulty for anyone to dismantle America. Much as many of the atheists may never know this because they are good citizen who cannot be given this secret because they would completely disagree with it, is there a role of atheists in the whole scheme?

4) And why Christianity? You see a people who fear GOD produce a Nation that guarantees freedom for all as well as equality for all before the law and this two definitely make such a country the land of opportunity. This is what America has been under Christianity. This is what some intend to destroy. The destruction of America, oh yes the dismantling of America, and this some people know, can only happen if they separate people from GOD. For example, take the JEWS (I regret to say they were also abused by calling GOD sadistic?). These people have been a wonderful people and because of their connection with GOD, it is historically known that they have produced some of the best people who radically changed the world. Did you know that Albert Einstein was a Jew? Did you know that Isaac Newton was a Jew? Now history shows that every time the Jewish community was infiltrated and they got induced into rebelling against their GOD, they were defeated by their enemies. A people under GOD cannot be defeated militarily or otherwise, their economy can only go in one direction, UP! UP! UP! So the question that arises here is: is there a scheme to destroy America; to destroy her people and her economy and thus subtly dispossess them of what their forefathers worked so hard to achieve? And that the only way to achieve this destruction is by first destroying Christianity or heavily diluting Christianity?

5) Are there historical case studies that any nation that claimed there is no GOD and practiced this obnoxious claim felt very bad consequences? Can America avoid this?

As to the first two questions here, if any one goes through the articles here he will realize that we took the challenge and were willing to prove our claim. Those who claim there is no GOD wanted to stop there-at just the mere claim that there is no GOD and did not want to prove their claim. Why? This is not because they felt it is the right thing to do to just make a claim and fail to substantiate it. No! They know this is wrong. The reason why they fear to try and prove their claim is because they know that the reasons they will give for claiming there is no GOD when compared with the reason we will give for his existence will make many of those good citizen who have been tricked into becoming atheists to get the facts, set themselves free and come back to where they rightfully belong. We sincerely hope they will nevertheless get these facts anyway.

I state here loudly in broad day light that there is need to separate state and the church by this I mean state and religion should be separated. We have all agreed that no sane person can disagree with this. But we have also declared that there are some subtle ways of interfering with the separation of government and state while the whole thing is made to appear as freedom of expression. This subtle ways of doing this should be strongly condemned.

As I conclude, I still wish to answer all the questions I have placed above and because these issues have great implications, I humbly ask any entity or a combination of entities who can allow me to reach an audience of not less than one billion to help me.

More so, as a Christian, my Savior and King, the Lord Jesus Christ taught us that we should never judge so that we are not judged. I would not like to dishonor him by appearing to judge others. My humble intention is to present facts as I know them and in the process of doing so, if I unknowingly and unintentionally sounded rude, I apologize. For those however who were offended by the truth, all I can say is: search your conscience and take the correct position.

Atheists don't need pity, just because we don't share your religion doesn't mean we're less or more likely to go to hell, who do you think would go to hell more? an Atheist who stands for human rights, or a fanatic christian spreading hate and intolerance?

Atheists are held personally responsible for their beliefs and actions, unlike the Evangelicals, Fanatics, Zealots and Nutjobs who hide behind your religions god and say their chosen and people afraid of risking their eternal salvation and place with that God and jesus will follow them even if it means death.

Sorry but I'd rather burn for eternity to stand for the rights of every single human being, either a member of the LGBT community, or women's rights. And Kambuke, nobody tells me anything, I established my own Atheism, my own humanism from my experiences and actually using my mind to see that humanity makes it own destiny, not god, not jesus, not gaia, not ra, not horus, humanity.

So if you want to pity my beliefs for not being submissive to an invisible being and actually putting other people above my self, well you can keep your pity. As a result of standing for what I believe in, I can't say it's right to persecute Christians or any other religion religion, because we all bleed the same, we all have the same blood.

Trying to turn me against Atheism by your paranoid theory of Atheists trying to dismantle America only makes me see how insane you are, Atheists are Americans just like your bloody sister and brothers in religion, and trying to dismantle America would effect EVERYBODY! simple logic, if you thought your theory through, but no, blinded by your religious faith and suspicions of the Atheist view system, you make half cocked theories.

And just for you and the catholic heretic, just putting this out here so you understand my stance with my views, if your religion, or any religion for that matter attempts to establish a Theocracy in the States, because you feel your religion would save this country...I don't condone civil war because as a Atheist/Humanist and also using REALISM a civil war would do more damage then good and result in the deaths of innocent people, something that is unacceptable not to mention the possibility of destroying the States more then Atheism or Christianity combined could ever accomplish and killing each other over diffrent views is not worth it, as such I stick by my stance of Religious rights, and would never step on your rights to be called christian or catholic.

But make no mistake, I'm not a pacifist when it comes to my views, and I will choose a side if a civil war or even religious war comes to light, and that will be with the AHS (Atheists/Humanists/Secularists) Human rights mean more to me, then your religion and god ever will and I'll happily burn for that.

Though I enjoy reading all the comments here, let's remember the AAI posted these billboards to provoke open dialog about religion in US politics. Elected officials have an obligation to represent all their constituents. Perhaps some feel these billboards were too blunt, but no one is shocked when any other minority group demands to know if the candidate asking for their vote recognizes their issues, problems, and goals. Atheists are a larger minority than American homosexuals or Blacks. They have a right to know what these candidates think about their concerns regarding education, religious persecution, civil rights violations, and other matters, just like any other group. Before they vote the deserve to know if a candidate they consider "superstitious" can sit aside those prejudices and equally represent them. Women of America want to know these same answers about male candidates. No one is asking Romney or Obama to give up their personal beliefs. The AAI wants to know if either one or both of these men can swear to keep the separation of church and state in the performance of their duties to the nation.

Now the bible calls him a fool who says there is no GOD. Then the one who the bible calls a fool also calls others such things an outrageous liar, fool, and hypocrite. Here, the battle lines are drawn: either the bible is lying when it says “A FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD-PSALMS 14.1”or mere individuals are lying when they call others fools when they say there is a GOD. EITHER A BILLION CHRISTIANS today are, according to some individuals all fools and hence making the most outrageous statements with absolutely no proof at all or this is not the case. Either all these Christians are fools and hence only atheists are clever or this is not the case. Every individual is on one side of the battle or another and normally in such straight forward issues, there is no middle ground. I know frustration may set in when some positions are challenged.

I take humbly the good caution that “As a Believer one might want to tone down being so judgmental.” The Lord Jesus has taught us not to judge so that we might also not be judged and I apologize if I ever I sound judgmental because, for sure, I would never want to dishonor MY SAVOIR AND KING.

Let me admit one thing: some credible challenge has been given namely, that we:

1) Prove GOD exists.

2) Give evidence of any Jesus existing anywhere in the world.

We will take the challenge. But the tactic used by some people is to take small things here and there as presented by the others mix these with insults and half truths then when the others respond to them, they shout even more the idea here being to ensure that people get confused and say that the whole thing is just a mere useless shouting match and hence fail to read between the lines. By virtue of the fact that the people will not get what is presented due to this tactic, they will fail to get the facts thus making them fail to come to a perfect conclusion. To avoid this, we also give a challenge namely:

1) Prove that GOD does not exist.

2) Prove that the lord Jesus never existed and prove that whoever you quote is not hired to say so and/or does not have another motive of saying so.

Indeed the battle lines are drawn. I will present my submissions in a written document to prove GOD EXISTS and JESUS CHRIST IS A HISTORICAL FIGURE.

Let the other side present their submissions in a written document to prove GOD does not EXIST and JESUS CHRIST IS not A HISTORICAL FIGURE.

I hope that no one will be as cowardly as going to an extent of telling us the burden of prove is on only one side. NO, NO, NO! THE BURDEN OF PROVE IS ON BOTH SIDES.

For sure there is need to separate state and the church. Nobody sane can fail to admit that. But I will also prove that there can be subtle methods that can be used to interfere with the separation of the church and state as given in the constitution of many countries and then the whole thing be presented as freedom of expression.

I give a challenge to whoever can to give us a forum which will have if possible not less than a billion strong audience. Can OPPOSING VIEWS SITE MANAGEMENT or anyone who may come across the challenge I am giving here , or any other entities one may know of, or a combination of all these entities, have the means to arrange for such an audience?

When the two groups come up with the above mentioned written documents, they MUST be presented within five minutes of each other. Why five minutes? Because some tactics used to obscure the facts at hand is to pick here and there what the other people have presented, personalize the issues raised in an article, throw in an insult here and there the idea being that who ever is reading will treat this as just another shouting much and forget it. For sure intelligent people avoid such tactics. When the arguments have been given within five minutes of each other such a thing will be impossible. Then, after some time to be decided, the opposing group can if they so wish respond to the points (or lack of any) raised by the other group in their respective articles. Then the audience can be allowed to respond. PEOPLE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED CONCLUSION.

As I conclude, I say, let the people be given facts and then be allowed to decide. Let them not be, as young children, be presented with lies or half truths the idea being to induce them into abandoning the GOD of their forefathers and the entire rich heritage that come with what their fore fathers believed.

Is this asking too much? LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.

GOD THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH EXISTS AND JESUS CHRIST HIS SON IS MY SAVOIR AND KING.