Pro-Life Groups Must End Abortion Health Care Propaganda
Washington, DC - The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice calls on the Family Research Council and other leaders of the pro-life movement to shut down the inflammatory "stoptheabortionmandate" website and end their massive misinformation campaign alleging that health care reform would cover abortion. The prominent politicians and activists who have put their names and reputations behind this campaign are misleading their constituents.
The Family Research Council and its allies in this campaign have consistently and repeatedly twisted the truth to promote their agenda and bring down health care reform. Because abortion is a critical component of women's reproductive health care, it should be included in a health care package. But the fact is that there is no "mandate." The current House version of the health care bill would create a panel that would weigh what procedures might be covered - an approach that the Obama administration has said is the best way to determine what procedures to cover.
Using the abortion issue to provoke opposition to health care changes is manipulative and wrong. We applaud the organization Catholics United for condemning this ploy in its statement yesterday (July 30).
Honest people can and do have profound disagreements about when and whether abortion should be permissible. But this issue should not be used to manipulate public opinion on health care reform. Leaders of public opinion have a responsibility to engage in honest discourse and to respect diverse views. In this case, that can best be achieved by shutting down this website and pulling the Family Research Council television ads set to run in five states and any other public media that distorts the facts.
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Give us a break. How many don't know by now that A. "Come on Now" has interpreted the bill properly and B. the Catholics United took the 100 million "after" agreeing with Obama-ites.
The pro-life community wants an explicit declaration in health care reform or any government insurance policy that taxpayer dollars would not be used to pay for abortions. The Hyde Amendment already says as much but radical abortion supporters want to undo that. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not want their tax dollars paying for abortions. Unless there is a specific mandate against abortion, we will be forced to pay for or participate in it against our will.
Abortion is NOT a critical component of reproductive health care . 99% of the time it is an elective procedure. 97% of the time it is because of contraceptive failure and a baby is deemed inconvenient (a lifestyle choice). 64% of the time mothers feel coerced to abort (Elliott Institute). Surgery to save the mother's life as in removal of a ruptured fallopian tube is not primarily abortive.
I never had or will ever have an abortion, but I still have excellent reproductive health care - prenatal care, pap smears, breast and pelvic exams, etc. Women get along just fine without abortion, so stop dressing up baby killing as health care and shoving it down our throats.
Catholics United is just a front organization for some abortion supporters. It is not Catholic whatsoever because the Catholic Church affirms the sanctity and dignity of all human life from conception to natural death. Innocent preborn babies deserve protection not death by dismemberment or toxic chemicals . Catholics are for health care coverage for all people born and preborn alike but not the type that kills.
Who do you think your kidding.Why would any one want Obama care?
And who do you think Obama will pick to be on the panel that would weigh what procedures might be covered?
What do you mean who would want it? According to the CBO, 20 million people that's who. But on what grounds do you even say that? The final legislation has not been written yet and we have no idea what it will entail exactly so why do you think everyone will hate it already... As if that's a given.
As for the panel, what makes you think he is going to be choosing them? And even if he handpicks them, I doubt our centrist democrat president is going to create some far left panel and also, such is the price of elections . We suffered under Bush for a while, get over it.
That you would prescribe a move to communism is un-American.
That you would attempt to validate your move to more socialism using the argument that a certain degree of socialism already exists could be likened to saying we should expand the death penalty to cover non-violent crime because hey we already use it for violent criminals.
And finally back to the point of this whole thread, that RCPC would cry out to strip another groups 1st Amendment rights because they don't share their opinions is blatently un-American.
I never called for communism. I never said that we should have more socialism because we have some already. My comments and what I support are progressive liberal ideas, and are very American... Just not the conservative American ideas you have.
You sound like Glenn Beck. You use my support for government run healthcare and claim it's like supporting the expansion of the death penalty ?! How ridiculous. You know, sometimes it's better to make valid comparisons as people tend to keep listening.
The RCPC is asking the opposition to stop lying, not trying to strip them of rights. If that's "un-American" to you, I'm afraid of learning more about what you demand Americans to think.
But thanks for wasting my time. And by the way, I'm all for socialism that works better than capitalism... Like single payer health care . Your problem is that you have been indictrinated by the rich to think that capitalism is the only way Americans should ever do anything. You just hear that socialism was practiced by "those commies" and that means it evil. Stupid tribalist.
To call your ideas progressive is absurd. And that you would deny being a socialist at the outset and affirm it at the end makes you absurd. That you are unable to understand a parallel argument, well maybe I need to speak in simpler terms for the lower intellects around.
This nation is capitalist. That is how we got where we are. If you would like to live in a socialist country then leave. Fortunately the majority of Americans side with me. But your liberal goons in DC would like to cram these anti-American ideals down our throats and then attempt to squash debate by calling us radical or extremist.
Sorry, but the cure fore too much government is not more government. My problem is only that I have been studying the problem for 20 years and know quite a bit about the real forces at work here. - think your the one with problems here in America because you would force your agenda on people who don't want or need it.
Anyways, back to the real issue the RCPC. Is calling for them to shut down their site but their views and statements have not been discredited. Sounds like a call to squash opposition, not for open debate.
"To call your ideas progressive is absurd."
My ideas are relatively in line with most progressives in this country, so I don't know what your problem with that is.
"And that you would deny being a socialist at the outset and affirm it at the end makes you absurd."
Outset: "I never said that we should have more socialism >because
"This nation is capitalist. That is how we got where we are."
Oh! There's that lemming! Tradition or past successes is not a good reason to change things or keep them the same. Slavery was how this nation was built... Wanna bring that back? Social Security is the reason the elderly can afford to keep their own places, wanna get rid of that nasty ol' socialist program?
"If you would like to live in a socialist country then leave."
Um if you're looking for a capitalist utopia, I don't know where to tell you to search, but I already live in the social democracy that I want to live in. Maybe you wish America was something that it's not... If you don't want anything that could possibly be called a "socialist" policy in your country, I suggest *you* leave. Otherwise, accept reality and realize that liberals make up half of the population of these United States!
I'm believe in Social Democracy, thats what we have (much of it atleast), thats what every "western industrialized" nation has, look it up.
"Fortunately the majority of Americans side with me."
Not according to the polls or last November's election results.
"But your liberal goons in DC"
It's about time someone gave me credit for sending them there! Thank you!
"would like to cram these anti-American ideals down our throats"
Ths reason you are so offended by this is that you are indoctrinated into believing that liberal ideals are equal to "anti-American" ideals. There will always be liberals buddy and I suggest that if you want reasoned dialogue you need to stop calling our ideals "anti-American"!
"then attempt to squash debate by calling us radical or extremist."
Liar! Liberals are trying to debate, "conservative goons" won't stop yelling and screaming long enough to talk about it. Conservatives are not called radical or extremist, it's the radicals and extremists that are labeled that way. You guys flip out every time a conservative is rightly labeled as radical or extremist: you see it as a personal attack on conservativism and get all puffy about it. Hint: it's not always about you!
"Sorry, but the cure fore too much government is not more government."
I don't think "too much government" is the problem, I see a problem with unfettered capitalism running the health care system, and so do most other Progressives!
"My problem is only that I have been studying the problem for 20 years and know quite a bit about the real forces at work here"
Pretty sad to spend 20 years and not once study a modern European health care system. I call bluff and say you are puffing up... Or you just don't give a crap about other people's health .
"you would force your agenda on people who don't want or need it."
No, but I would force everyone who can afford it to contribute to the medical health of the entire citizenry and provide it to any legal resident or citizen of the country! Just like every other modern industrialized country on the planet!
"Anyways, back to the real issue the RCPC. Is calling for them to shut down their site but their views and statements have not been discredited. Sounds like a call to squash opposition, not for open debate."
Yes they have been discredited! They are lies that claim that no matter what happens, and no matter what any legislation that passes actually says, if it doesn't explicity ban abortion coverage it is actually a mandate that will force everyone to perform abortions or find another job. That is a lie, they now it, and now Catholics United and RCPC have now called them out on it. What RCPC is asking for is for them to stop lying about this because it's obvious they are just trying to scare people into opposing reform!
Have you read the site? It literally debunks it's own claims and then tries to explain why that doesn't really debunk their claims. It's totally playing to the ignorant who have no idea how legislation or the law works, and if you have half a brain, you'd see it too!
My full reply to the second quote was this:
"And that you would deny being a socialist at the outset and affirm it at the end makes you absurd."
Outset: "I never said that we should have more socialism **because** we have some already."
The end: "And by the way, I'm all for socialism that works better than capitalism... Like single payer health care ."
Either you misunderstood me, or you were too eager to catch me contradicting myself that you don't understand what I said. As you can see, I was rebuffing the accusation that I was using the simple fact that we have existing "socialism" to make the case for more "socialism." Lemming arguments are not sound reasoning, as the only argument for bringing in more of something is the merits themselves of the new law or social action, not the lemming argument. But I don't know if you know that because I'll be getting to your Lemming argument in a moment.
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I don't know why that isn't in the original. Failure of copy and paste I guess bur I changed the characters around "because" just to make sure
A little info for you.
The U.S. of A. is a Republic not a social democracy .
Last Nov.'s election went the way it did because of political rhetoric and false promises not because people support national socialism.
These conservative are yelling and screaming because they are tired of not being listened to. Guess what? It is their right to yell and scream.
I don't give a crap about other peoples health and I especially don't want to pay for it.
Now, I am not a Conservative but more of a Radical Constitutionalist. I hold the belief that our federal government has no authority to even be stepping in these waters. And this viewpoint is Constitutionally correct. Not debatable! Our federal government has expanded way, way, way beyond its authority and this " health care reform " is just more of it.
We don't want it and bottom line they have no authority to meddle in the first place.
"I don't think "too much government" is the problem, I see a problem with unfettered capitalism running the health care system, and so do most other Progressives!"
That is because you do not understand the role of government.
Finally, if this site is spreading lies, well that is kind of refreshing. Because our gov. has been spreading lies and propaganda for centuries.