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Proposal: California Splits into 2 States
RIVERSIDE, Calif. — If Republican Jeff Stone has his way, the Golden State will become two states.
There would be California and its smaller neighbor "South California."
Stone, an elected official on the Riverside County Board of Supervisors, has made a proposal that would group 13 mostly conservative California counties into America's 51 state.
Those counties would include: Orange and San Diego counties, and inland Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Riverside, San Bernardino and Tulare counties.
You'll note that Los Angeles county is not part of Stone's plan. According to the Associated Press, a vote is scheduled for Tuesday. The radical idea would obviously have to be approved on a much grander level, if it passes in Riverside.
The reason behind South California?
According to the AP: Stone says California is too big to govern, which has led the state to raid local government coffers because of runaway spending. It would have a part-time Legislature and no term limits.
Does it make sense? Does Jeff Stone have a good idea?
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If people are really
If people are really concerned that CA is too big we should start by splitting Alaska in 3.
If it's a population issue I would like to hear what the appropriate maximum population is. Should we start looking into combining states like the Dakotas so we can reign in the size disparity?
Let's be real here. This is just some jackass local politician who wants to isolate his little conservative enclave so they don't have to deal with anyone with different opinions and so they can add 2 conservative senators to the Federal senate. Pure politics and not even politics that could ever conceivably happen so it's not even worth discussing.
I think that "too big," in
I think that "too big," in this case, is not limited to physical size alone. Not only is California's population very large, but there is also vast distance between the northern and southern borders. It is not entirely unreasonable for a group of people to want their votes to count, and as a resident of California who does not tow the Progressive line, my vote doesn't really count.
As for the "How many people is too many?" question, I think the answer is: "When the state is completely unmanageable due, in part, to too many people, then it is too large." I don't think that identifying a finite number is going to happen.
I also think that the mere existence of the Virginias, the Dakotas, and the Carolinas, argue for the existence of the Californias. It is not unprecedented to split a state into two.
P.S. If this happened, it would not create an enclave; I think you misused that word.
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Hardly an original idea. See
Hardly an original idea. See http://jeffersonbackroads.com
Too big or too diverse could be applied to the current Congressional deadlock over spending/deficit.
Unless Rep. Stone is ready to forego the California/federal handouts to his new state, he may be pandering to his constituency.
What?.... It's not too big.
What?....
It's not too big. Texas is bigger, better and not whining about size.
I do not think that he's bringing this up as a serious intent. It seems more of a LOOK WE HAVE A PROBLEM...kind of statement.
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From US Census quick facts:
From US Census quick facts: http://quickfacts.census.gov
Population of California: around 37M
Population of Texas: around 25M
Land mass of California: 156K square miles
Land mass of Texas: 261K square miles.
Texas is much less densely populated than California. Per capita income in California, including the median and average is higher. Texas has a higher percentage of people living below the poverty line on average than California and the US as a whole. Texas has had a jobs boom, but it has yet to improve the overall standing of the state and income of the average Texan.
If you want to see an example of Texas' "excellent management" skills, google the Texas Tiers project, which has been failing for the last seven years with no end in sight, wasting hundreds of millions of dollars and making the administration of welfare benefits even more error prone than before. The Texas state government is in a financial death spiral that is *JUST AS BAD* as California. They have a $25 billion shortfall in their two year budget. The difference is that Texas will simply slash spending across the board without regard for the consequences.
With the exception of what some Texans call the "people's republic of Austin," Texas is much more politically united than California who has had Jerry Brown and Ronald Reagan as governors.
This proposal has been floated multiple times with varying degrees of seriousness. Having done business with California and having seen statewide systems such as child support, welfare eligibility and childhood immunization registries utterly fail due to state politics, I think splitting up California might actually be a good thing. LA acts like a state onto itself and northern California seems to forget what happens south of Sacramento.
California as it stands is a management nightmare. The counties form consortia that have too much power and there is too much infighting between political groups. Billions of dollars are wasted due to mismanagement. Management 101 - if something is too big to manage, subdivide into smaller units.
Before you spout off with more nonsense, you should do a little homework. Texas is far from the "holy land" you make it out to be.
Texas also rang in nearly 15
Texas also rang in nearly 15 million people LESS than California. Of course it would change things, but could we really do WITHOUT some change right now?