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A mother, who gave birth to a son with a severe cleft palate that also took his eyes, has made a video -- see it below -- about her beloved boy. In it, she shows pictures and signs that outline their struggle with the rarest of birth defects. Only 50 people in the entire world have the same abnormalities as little Christian.

Lacey Buchanan of Woodbury, Tennessee says she faced awful comments and constant second looks after Christian was born in 2011. Despite not knowing if he would live at first and then faced wih the difficulty of raising him, she says she is immensely proud of her son and wants to show him off for all to see.

According to The Daily Mail, "Christian was born with a Tessier cleft, a severe type of cleft lip and palate that is characterised by severe deformities of soft tissue and bony parts of the face. It occurs when parts of the face do not fully fuse together while the baby is in the uterus. There are different categories of Tessier clefts, with deformities affecting the centre of the face, the nose and eyes, or large abnormalities of the lower jaw. It occurs in about one in 150,000 births." 

Because the deformities develop in the womb, Buchanen had the option of aborting the fetus. A devout Christian, she chose not to, saying he is 'the love of my life.'

 Lacey Buchanan holds up her one-year-old son Christian in a moving video she has made about the boy, who was born with a severe cleft palate that left him blind  Holding Christian's face away from the camera, Lacey recounts her excitement at her pregnancy - and how doctors told her something was wrong with her unborn child    In the video, Lacey holds up cards describing the moment she found out her son had a rare condition  Lacey said she and her husband Chris returned home not knowing how to care for a blind child   Lacey holds up a picture of Christian, who underwent his first operation at just four days old  Lacey recounts some of the judgmental comments she received when Christian went home

 

  Despite the struggles they faced, Lacey said she knew she was never going to abort Christian  As Lacey struggled with the comments, it was her son Christian who stood up against them

 

  Lacey added that 'anyone who meets Christian falls in love with him pretty quickly'

 

   Lacey, who is a law student, said she could not imagine life without Christian, who is now one year old  Lacey was inspired to make the video after seeing one by a girl who also suffered physical deformities

 

  Since uploading the video she has received hundreds of messages from well-wishers, she said

 

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wellduh's picture

Yup an ugly kid and a blind

Yup an ugly kid and a blind one too.

But if those are his only health and mental issues -- he has a good chance at a decent life.

Ugly is part of the real world. Plus physical ugly often has little to do with personality beauty.

Heck might not even be much of a genetic component (might be more one of female womb conditions than face). So he might even have a fairly normal family with the right woman.

But it was certainly a risky financial and socio-emotional decision. And the mother will not have to bear nearly as much as he will as he goes through school.

I suggest a mask for both social and protective reasons. Unsupervised kids often have no morals about poking at weak spots in the most literal ways -- especially as many adult parents today never grew past that either.

James Smith's picture

Yes, children can be cruel,

Yes, children can be cruel, but they can also be amazingly kind and loving; enough to put many adults to shame.

Also, I am guessing that there will be a lot of corrective surgery in this child's life. He may never appear "normal" (whatever that is) he will also not be worse than other people born blind.

He already has the world's greatest support system, a mother who loves him and will do anything possible to make life better for him.

Others may not agree with her decision to have this baby but it was her decision to make, not theirs. That's the heart of the entire abortion issue. It's an individual decision not one subject to "group think" or the misguided beliefs of those that would control every aspect of other's lives.

I admire and applaud Lacy's courage and love in the face of the ugliness of those that disagree with her.

Callista's picture

It encourages me a good deal

It encourages me a good deal to see a mom and her baby so obviously close. That child has everything he needs in life. He'll have the same chance at happiness as anyone has--I know a few blind people and they are as happy as any of the seeing people I know. Disability is just a normal part of their lives; it's not something they mourn. I don't see their blindness as a tragedy; nor my autism and dyspraxia; nor this child's birth defect. It's a tragedy when someone is unloved, rejected, uncared-for; but a simple disability... no. Disability is a normal part of human existence.

Jean Clelland-Morin's picture

Physical beauty (as

Physical beauty (as determined by whom?) needs to be put at the bottom of the barrel of important things. It's past time to teach our children to look past the physical. This sweet, innocent being can live a normal life, although blind, if society just lets him. / I've noticed that this blog has deteriorated into vitriol-spitting. So, at this point I'll say I am a non-believer.

kentuckywoman2's picture

When I first read this

When I first read this article, before I watched the video, my first thought was, "Wouldn't it have been kinder to have aborted this fetus? What quality of life could he possibly have? Will he live? What kind of future can he expect?"

Then I watched the video. I saw the love in his mother's eyes turn to pain, then to anger, then to gratitude and back to love. If there's anything about this video that's truly beautiful, it has to be the love in this mother's eyes and on her face that literally glows.

I've always believe that everything happens for a reason. This woman not only has tremendous love, but tremendous strength, as well. Life is what you make it, for the most part. I have no doubt that she and her family will be blessed.

Godspeed and thanks for the lesson. :-)

James Smith's picture

If this is a "blessing from

If this is a "blessing from god" I am overjoyed to be an atheist.

I do admire her courage and devotion to this child and sincerely hope that she will be able to give him the assistance and guidance he will need. Clearly, the love won't be a problem.

zero's picture

You sir, are an asshole! I

You sir, are an asshole!

I see your opinionated rhetoric all over this site. Can't possibly NOT comment on every story.

If you can't avoid being an asshole on a story such as this one, why don't you just keep your retarded mouth silent?

Later jerk.

James Smith's picture

I love the way you hide

I love the way you hide behind your fake ID and the internet to spout such hate-filled trash. You'd love for me to "just shut up" because then I wouldn't be making embarrassing statements for you like "prove your points with verifiable evidence."

Your replies invariably take the form of personal insults, lies, and total BS. But, if that's all you have, then that's all you have.

You say thing on here you'd never dare say to my face. You might reflect on how that makes you look. (hint, the word starts with "c" has six letters, and ends with "d")

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@zero: If you are not a

@zero: If you are not a Christian, ignore this message.

I ask you to forgive Mr. Smith. He doesn't believe there is a God and he is very angry at people who do believe, especially Christians. Growing up with parents he apparently despised (They are/were Christians) must have been very difficult for him. Did you believe your parents were liars, hypocrites, fools and ignorant? It must have been extremely embarrassing for him during High School.

The only problem I have with his comment is, "If this is a "blessing from god" I am overjoyed to be an atheist." but I understand why he said it. Read his blogs:

http://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/JamesSmith http://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/JamesSmith686 https://slrman.wordpress.com/

He is angry. He has no faith. He studied the Bible for 50+ years and apparently came away with very little if anything from that experience.

That little boy is a blessing from God and I hope you see the irony in his name, "Christian."

God bless. And Mr. Smith is still on my prayer list.

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

Tell me, how is it a

Tell me, how is it a "blessing from god" to be born with these handicaps?

I don't need or want your "forgiveness." What I would like is for you to tell the truth at least once on here. Is that too much to hope for?

How am I angry at people who do believe? I am angry at the arrogant, ignorant actions I see. Such as your smug insults that you're going to pray for me. Did I ask for that? Have I ever given the least indication that I wanted it? It's your intention to be smug and insulting that leads you to say it.

I did not despise my parents. You ignore the humor and the smiles in my videos. You also ignore the statements I have made that I am grateful for the other things they did for me, such as equipping me with the attitude and skills that allowed me to survive and prosper at a young age.

Yes, I did observe that my parents were a bit hypocritical and foolish in their beliefs. But that's no worse than other theists of any stripe or worse than many non-believers. A person can be intelligent and rational in most areas and be delusional and unreasonable in one or more others.

Thank you for including my profiles and one of my essays. I am not a member of Think Atheist any longer and I have requested they remove my profile and posts. Obviously, they have not bothered. Their indifference and incompetence are part of the reason I left that site.

Also, thank you for including the last reference. Here's a piece of that to show you are lying about my feelings for my parents . BTW, they are both deceased now, so please show a little respect.

"I do have to say that I appreciate the other things they did for me, like encouraging my education and equipping me with the work ethic and attitudes I needed to survive and thrive at that early age. In those areas, they were excellent parents and I am grateful for those things."

How have I come away from studying the babble with "very little"? I have come away with the realization that it is a collection of badly translated, politically edited myths and lies. Yes, it does contain a few verifiable historically accurate events and places. Does that make the rest of it true? Only in the fevered delusions of the "faithful" who want to proof anyway.

Tell me and please do not avoid the question again. Exactly how is being born with deformities a "blessing"? That's a very cruel "blessing from a "loving god".

You do not pray for me. You only say those things because it sounds like you're a better person than you are.

Yes, it is ironic that he would be named "Christian" as he was born agnostic and must be subjected to relentless brainwashing to beleive in it.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr Smith: "How am I angry at

@Mr Smith: "How am I angry at people who do believe?" Read your posts to people who believe. I'd call that anger.

"I did not despise my parents." - You come across as despising (to look down on with contempt or aversion) Christians and your parents are Christian, are they not? When you call one of us a name it applies to all of us. Based on your posts you look down on all Christians with contempt.

"You do not pray for me. You only say those things because it sounds like you're a better person than you are." - Both these statements are untrue. I just prayed for you in church Sunday and again today as I wrote this post. Again you learned little from the Bible. Praying for you does not make me better than you. I expect to duke it out with St. Paul for the worst sinner. I am better than no one who lived, is alive now or will live in the future. I am chief among sinners as I know the truth and still sin. I am positive you parents prayed for you and that they probably had their entire church pray for you. I will continue to pray for you and pass your name along to fellow Christians to pray for you. It's what we do. Besides whether or not you accept it you are a wayward brother.

As far as ignoring "your question" as you put it I am in a quandary as to how to explain it to a non-believer. Your mind is so closed to God that you could never see this child as a blessing. Answer me this and I will attempt to answer your question: If you were this boys mother and knew very early on in the pregnancy that he would have these birth defects, would you have it aborted and why?

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

I repeat, you're an arrogant

I repeat, you're an arrogant smug jerk. You only believe what makes you feel good.

You ignored my little cut and paste about my parents. All you do is post what you like to think should be true.

The reason you ignored my question about how this child's terrible losses are a "blessing" to him or anyone else. I believe you when you say you don't know how to explain it. That's because I posed a question you would have preferred not to have had asked. I've exposed your "god" as a heartless, cruel, uncaring despot.

If I had been this child's mother, I probably would not have aborted him. I am personally opposed to abortions that are only for reasons of convenience. If the child were going to be so deformed as to have a short, painful life with no hope of anything better, I would likely have chosen the merciful path. But that was not the case here.

Even more than my opposition to abortion is my resistance to those, like you, that would tell everyone else how they must live.

Unlike you, I am not afraid of the hard questions and do not duck them with platitudes like, "I am in a quandary as to how to explain it to a non-believer." What you mean is, you haven't a clue how this could be a blessing so evade the question.

Finally, I happen to know someone here that is a non-christian and practices what he believes to be "black magic". He's not exactly a satanist, but does try to call forth spirits and what I would call demons. Is it OK if I ask him to include you in a few incantations to save you from the perils of christinsanity? That's no more offensive and arrogant that what you are doing. Again, I think you're a liar about it anyway and are saying it to irritate me. So waste your time, prayers are meaningless anyway, just like your religion.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr. Smith: Believe what you

@Mr. Smith: Believe what you will. Christian is a blessing for the following:

1. He is a Child of God. 2. He will teach others through his disability to be more caring, compassionate and merciful. 3. All human life is precious and a gift from God. 4. He has the ability to see more than sighted people ever can.

Regardless of what you believe, God did not do this to Christian. If you had learned anything from the Bible I would not have to explain any of this.

I've already had spells cast on me by witches and warlocks. I'm still here. Go ahead with your threat.

I'm not afraid of hard questions either when speaking with an open minded individual. You are not open minded. If you were you would be open to the existence of God.

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

"Believe what you will"? No,

"Believe what you will"? No, that's what you do; believe with no evidence for and even much evidence against. I have more respect for intelligence, truth, and rational reasoning to only believe "what I will". I leave that level of ignorance to you. You're much better at willful stupidity than I ever have been or ever will be.

1. There is no god. That's an excuse you make for your absurd statements.

2. What he will become and be able to do is not yet certain. More depends upon his mother, fortunately, that your silly contentions.

3. Not all human life is precious. I suppose you'd say the same of Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot? Nor is any human life a "gift from god". That's only your own delusional beliefs.

4. He will have the abilities that he is helped to develop by his loving mother. Fortunately, she seems to be focused on him as her child so will help him far more than you. All you want is to use him as "proof" of your "faith". But theists have always been quick to use others, helping only when it is to their personal advantage.

God did not do this? That contradicts everything you profess to believe. Either you're a liar about your beliefs or amazingly inconsistent. I vote for the latter as I've seen it in you and all other "christians".

Witches and warlocks do not exist any more than your god, so why shouldn't you survive? I've been cursed, threatened, and even physically assaulted by christians. I am here.

You're terrified by my questions because I ask hard questions that demand real answers. Your idea of "open minded" is they will accept any absurdity you offer as being true with no proof. Asking for proof and rational reasoning is fatal to any religious debate. You know that and so must run from it with pitiful excuses, like "you're not open minded enough.

Prove the existence of god. Not with your lies and myths. With actual, reproducible proof.

You are a hypocrite, a liar, and a fool. That is not an insult, it's a statement of observed fact. If you don't like it, behave like a rational, decent human.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr. Smith: Like I said you

@Mr. Smith: Like I said you have absolutely no understanding of Christianity.

"I suppose you'd say the same of Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot?" -- Absolutely. What part of ALL do you not understand?

"God did not do this? That contradicts everything you profess to believe." -- How?

"Prove the existence of god. Not with your lies and myths. With actual, reproducible proof." -- We've been over this before. FAITH.

"No, that's what you do; believe with no evidence for and even much evidence against." -- You have never supplied evidence against the existence of God although you keep saying it exists. Where?

The Catholic Heretic

Becky Blanton's picture

Lacy, God has blessed you!

Lacy, God has blessed you! You know that God creates every one of us for a purpose and a reason. He has chosen to bless you and your child. The Rapture is imminent and we'll ALL receive perfect bodies. In the meantime, everything you do now is glorifying God!! You're both in my prayers! You are an awesome mother and your witness and faith will show many that we serve and trust a God whose "thoughts are not our thoughts, and ways are not our ways" because he brings glory to himself through it all.

James Smith's picture

Tell me, exactly how does a

Tell me, exactly how does a tragedy to a child like this bring glory to god? That's the most stupid excuse theists ever make, "for the glory of god". What god could possibly need anything from mere humans?

wellduh's picture

Well the "Glory to God" part

Well the "Glory to God" part is that the mom loves her child despite the defects. Generally means setting a good example of how to live despite obstacles.

And I think you are probably able to see the good of the concept -- if you simply ignore the words "God" and the archaic use of "Glory".

And yup I think you are correct that any God is past the ritualistic control of prayer as implied by TV evangelists ("Just seize control of the power of God through prayer" makes me want to laugh and puke at the snake oil).

However I do think that a God can exist that is not defined by organized religion (often little different than primitive local or regional politics). Such a God is not the tool of any religion and no human is likely to understand that God and any plans he may have.

But yes people weave self-protective ideas as insulation from tragedy. And pulling formal religion away would only change the focus. Generally religion provides a helpful partial standard of social behavior under such stress...unless it wings off into the hate areas. That is also not unique to traditional religion either (Third Reich myths etc). LOL many have turned Ann Rand and Nietzeche into religion. Humans are perverse.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr. Smith: Did you really

@Mr. Smith: Did you really use the word "tragedy" to describe little Christian? You're a "glass-half-empty" kinda guy, right?

@Becky: You need to pray for Mr. Smith. He's had a hard life and needs us to show our unconditional love for him. He won't believe it but the more I read his comments the more I love him. God bless him.

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

You would not call it a

You would not call it a tragedy? That says more about your heartless, inconsiderate attitude than I think you would like anyone to know. YOu just fell a mile in my estimate of you as a person.

Nor is this baby a "christian". That takes years of brainwashing. Everyone is born agnostic. Only the relentless forcing of religion on children and forbidding them to question, criticize, or think independently makes them theists.

@ Becky, please do not "Pray for me" That's typical theist arrogance. Instead, do something useful, like contributing to a Shriner's Burn Center for Children.

I have not had a hard life except when it has been made that way by theists. TheCatholicHeritic doesn't love anyone but himself. He's just a smug, self-centered person determined to force his sick, twisted beliefs on everyone.

If I were a satanist, how would you feel if I said "I'll sacrifice a couple of babies to lord satan (who also doesn't exist) for you"?

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr. Smith: How does it make

@Mr. Smith: How does it make me heartless to believe that this is not a tragedy?

"YOu just fell a mile in my estimate of you as a person." - Well considering I believed you thought less than nothing of me as a person this is good news.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. You have a choice to believe or not. It's a faith thing. You either have it or you don't.

Well I don't have satanists specifically on my prayer list. I do have non-Christians which I believe is the category they would fall under but I'll add them for clarity.

@becky: Here is a prayer for non-believers like Mr. Smith. Don't stop praying for him:

Dear Father in Heaven, bless your wayward son/daughter . Bring him/her into the fold showing your boundless grace and mercy for all sinners. Lord bless him/her and keep him/her; Lord make Your face shine on him/her and be gracious to him/her; Lord turn Your face toward him/her and give him/her peace. In the name of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus I ask all these things. Amen.

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

YOu are forcing your beliefs

YOu are forcing your beliefs on others. You do it on here every time you post. I am positive you vote for making any abortion illegal as well as passing other of your beliefs into law.

You love to be obnoxious and smug with your prayers. You're not "forcing your beliefs on others?" You are praying that I will abandon rational thinking and truth to accept your sick, twisted beliefs? You think that is not trying to force your religion on me? You're asking your god to intervene in my life and thought processes. You're a hypocrite and a liar.

Jesus never existed. Find me a single contemporary account of any jesus. Or do you prefer to pretend that was never asked, too?

You are continually exposing yourself as a disgusting example of a religious person and even as a human being.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr. Smith: "YOu are forcing

@Mr. Smith: "YOu are forcing your beliefs on others. You do it on here every time you post. I am positive you vote for making any abortion illegal as well as passing other of your beliefs into law."

-- These statements are untrue. You don't know me and absolutely do not understand me. I would never vote to have abortion made illegal. I would not vote to make it legal either. Do I believe it is against God's laws? Absolutely. I cannot stop my brother or sister from sinning. I can only pass on my beliefs and what scripture says. If I tell someone that abortion is murder and they feel guilty that's their issue. I can't make someone feel guilt only they can. So you are wrong in this instance.

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"You love to be obnoxious and smug with your prayers. You're not "forcing your beliefs on others?" You are praying that I will abandon rational thinking and truth to accept your sick, twisted beliefs? You think that is not trying to force your religion on me? You're asking your god to intervene in my life and thought processes. You're a hypocrite and a liar."

-- Again these statements are untrue. I am exercising my right to free speech. I don't care if a satanist, witch or who ever curses me. God bless them for doing it. How does this "force" my beliefs on you? You don't believe anything I do as far as I can tell.

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"Jesus never existed. Find me a single contemporary account of any jesus. Or do you prefer to pretend that was never asked, too?"

-- I don't know how many times I have to answer this. You don't like the answer so you ignore it and say I am avoiding answering. Ok, "write this down, take a little note to remind you in case you didn't know," - GS:

Belief in Jesus is based on F - A - I - T - H.

Even if I presented 10,000 individual pieces of evidence and had Jesus come to you in Brazil and tell you He exists you would not believe. That's a fact. Think what you will, I am not trying to convince you but you seem insistent on convincing me otherwise. Never going to happen.

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"You are continually exposing yourself as a disgusting example of a religious person and even as a human being."

-- How? Because I say I love you? Because I pray for you? Because I ask God to give you faith? What do you see when you look at others? I see the many faces of God. We are all made in his image. Some choose to seek God others choose to say there is no God. Those are choices.

I do love you. How could I not? You are made in God's image. ============================================================== John 3:16-21 (NIV) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

============================================================== Ephesians 2:8-10 (NIV) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

============================================================== Romans 5:7-9 (NIV) Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

You are as delusional in your

You are as delusional in your replies as in your beliefs. As was said before, "If you could reason with theists, there would be no theists."

You believe what you choose to believe and never allow any minor things like facts, rational thinking or obvious fallacies to bother you.

As I have quoted before, "Debating a theist is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how well you play chess, the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, crap on the board, then strut around as if it had won."

Despite your protestations of innocence, you have been a smug, arrogant person, trying to force your beliefs on me. Yes, it is free speech as is my pointing it out to you. Being free speech is true, that doesn't stop it from being obnoxious, disgusting, and proof of your "holier than thou" attitude.

You go to great lengths to point out how "christian" you are. What happened to the "quiet sure faith" jesus promoted? Or perhaps you only accept the parts that suit you at the moment. Before you jump back on your pulpit, I have copied some of your posts and sent them to christian friends. They were appalled at your arrogance and attitude. If I had your email, I'd give it to them so they might reprimand you for your "praying loudly in the temple".

Yes, jesus exists on faith. Again, faith and beliefs are accepting as true that for which there is no evidence for and even much evidence against. That means you choose to believe because it makes you feel good. Why don't you choose to believe my anti-gravity belt? Wouldn't it feel good to be able to float effortlessly over the earth, like an angel? Of course that would be dealing with reality, not fantasy.

Yes, because you say you love me and pray for me despite the times I have said you're only claiming those things to be an obnoxious, unctuous jerk. Inside, you're gloating that it makes you feel superior and you know it's annoying. I never expected more from you than hypocritical lies anyway, so I am not disappointed nor surprised.

I am not made in any god's image. If I thought it was the murdering, childish jealous god of your religion, I'd kill myself in shame.

Oh, you're quoting babble passages. Do you really think that would impress me? If so, you're even more deluded than I thought.

When you resort to bible passages, you've admitted you have nothing more resembling facts or rational thinking to offer. YOu never had those anyway, did you?

You are the exact example of an arrogant pseudo-believer, praying loudly in public that your jesus preached against. I repeat you're a despicable example of a human being and the kind of person christians are supposed to be. Luckily, I have christian friends that are as unlike you as possible. That reassures me that not every theist is an unreasonable asshole like you.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Mr. Smith:

@Mr. Smith: TheCatholicHeretic@hotmail.com

I put this here because I do not believe you have any Christian friends or if you do they do not stand up to your arrogance.

The Catholic Heretic

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Callista's picture

I have seen you posting a

I have seen you posting a lot, and I see a lot of hate and a lot of bitterness in your posts... It's like you are driven to find enemies everywhere. It is a sad thing to see the world to be such a hostile place. Very few of the atheists/agnostics I know are suffering like this. Please, if you can, try to find someone to talk to--you are only hurting yourself. It's not a shameful thing to seek help. I've done it myself and I've benefited from it. You just cannot live with all of this hate inside you without hurting yourself with it.

James Smith's picture

Why is it that almost every

Why is it that almost every time "hate" appears in a discussion, it's used by theists?

I see enemies everywhere? You're projecting your own fears upon others. Theists see their religion being disassembled by people using facts and logic and people turning from the absurdities of religion to the clear light of rational thinking. That doesn't make atheists the enemy, it makes your own beliefs the disaster that's led you from the truth.

YOu are supremely arrogant as most theists are. You tell me to "seek help"? YOu should take you own advice and listen objectively to someone that will show you the facts about religion. If you're a christian, look up Krishna, Horus, Attis, and Mithra. Learn where your religion stole the myths to start another case attempt to fool people into believing lies and allowing themselves to be ruled by hypocritical monsters.

Again, it isn't hate, it's the facts. Why are you theists so obsessed with hate? You are hurting yourself with it. There's a nice world out there with love, trust, flowers, and beauty. Why waste your life on silly myths when there is all that for you?

Callista's picture

Well, here's a fact for you:

Well, here's a fact for you: The post you made just before this one, you used hate as an argument. Either you're admitting you believe in God, or your argument in this post is invalid.

TheCatholicHeretic's picture

@Callista: The blind do not

@Callista: The blind do not see and the deaf do not hear. All we Christians are in the same boat as far as Mr. Smith is concerned. Pray for him. He needs it whether or not he believes it.

The Catholic Heretic

James Smith's picture

I did not use "hate" You are

I did not use "hate" You are a liar. But that's what I expect from you. How am I admitting I "believe in god"? That's ludicrous but "Ludicrous" must be your middle name.

Exactly how is my argument invalid? You say the most absurd things and expect everyone to believe them because you said them. That is the foundation of your religion isn't it? Assertions without evidence.

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I should not expect you to

I should not expect you to understand. You do not believe in God (or "god" as you put it), so blessings others attribute to Him ("him") are alien to you. Perfectly natural. If you knew German and spoke it to me, I would have no idea what you were saying; it would be meaningless to me.

But to those who know Him ("him"), the One who raised Lazarus from the dead and fed thousands with a few loaves and fish, has no trouble turning what looks like a "tragedy" into a lifelong blessing. This child is blind, but I submit that your ability to see is really just as shunted.

Truth is, His ("his") most incredible act is transforming people like you who deny His ("his") existence into people with new eyes to believe and know Him ("him").

Hate to scare you, but it could happen to you, too. It has to billions of others.

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I understand perfectly.

I understand perfectly. Those that believe in a god are continually making up excuses for random acts that would be considered cruelty if they were inflicted on purpose. Because you believe your god controls everything, you have to spout puny excuses like, "God has mysterious ways. We cannot understand all of his blessings."

Those that know him are delusional fools, taking to themselves.

My ability to see the truth far exceeds yours. "None are so blind as he who will not see." Your willful ignorance put you firmly in the camp of "refuse to see".

No one raised Lazarus from the dead. That's a babble myth just like that of jesus. Look up Krishna. Horus, Attis, and Mithra. Learn where your religion sole the jesus myth.

Yes, you do try to use threats to scare people into believing your stupidities. No, it will not happen to me, not has it happened to "billions of others" (atheists). That's simply another lie you have been taught to repeat.

I do not scare easily and the absurdities of any religion do not do anything but amuse me and allow me to see how self-deception is the most popular human pastime.

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@Jack Webb: Gott liebt alle

@Jack Webb: Gott liebt alle Seine Kinder, sogar die gereizten. :D

The Catholic Heretic

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I see mother and child both

I see mother and child both smiling and happy.

I'll bet your bitter ass never smiles, 'cause you are most likely miserable.

I pity you.

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You again make an absurd

You again make an absurd statement without a bit of evidence. You do that because it's what you WANT to believe, just as you want to believe the scam that is religion.

Look at my video at https://minus.com/mAEiVfUtX/ You'll see me smiling as I explain how I shook off the black yoke of religion at an early age. If you look at my other videos, you'll see me smiling a lot. Being free of religion has given me a lot to smile about.

You seem bitter because you never can answer anything with facts. Maybe being overwhelmed by the truth makes you angry? Perhaps being shown how religion is a lie makes you realize you're wasting your life on nothing? I understand how that would make you bitter. Remember, "The truth shall set you free." Come into the clear light of truth and rational thinking. You'll feel a lot better.

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@Mr. Smith: Have you read

@Mr. Smith: Have you read your signature line? => "If freedom means anything, it is the liberty to tell others what they do not want to hear."

We Christians do this all the time.

The Catholic Heretic

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Christians lie, try to

Christians lie, try to intimidate and assume a smug superiority to everyone else. Then you claim everyone is a sinner. You omit that those "sins" are invented nonsense to allow the religious reich to control the actions, speech, and thoughts of others.

YOu have never proved a single thing about your religion or anything else despite the number of times I have personally challenged you to do so. Instead, you claim you'll "Pray for me". That's a lot easier than actually doing something constructive or presenting facts, isn't it.

It also shows that you are an intellectual and ethical coward.

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@Mr. Smith: Again, what did

@Mr. Smith: Again, what did you actually study for 50+ years? Certainly not the Bible. Was it RCC Dogma? I would not call praying for you easy. Not as hard as praying for Charles Manson but definitely not easy. I do not give lip service I pray what I mean and mean what I pray. God knows the difference.

Here are some facts that you do not accept but cannot not disprove. READ CAREFULLY:

I believe in one God the Father Almighty. That is a FACT. I believe in His one and only Son, Jesus Christ. That is a FACT. I believe in the Holy Spirit. That is a FACT. I believe these are three separate entities but one God. That is a FACT. I believe in the Deity of Jesus. That is a FACT. I believe that Jesus died for my sins and rose again. That is a FACT.

Don't come back with "prove it." The facts are my beliefs not whether or not I can prove it. The fact is "I believe" not "I can prove" but like most other times subtlety is often missed by you.

The Catholic Heretic

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I have read the King James,

I have read the King James, New Revised Standard version and even some of the books the church stripped out because they were "inconvenient".

If praying for me isn't easy, then stop. You don;t mean it anyway. It's only you trying to make yourself feel superior. If you are not a complete idiot, you know it will have zero effect anyway. But I will admit it is exactly as effective as any other prayer – zero.

Your "facts" are bullshit. You know it and that's why you said, "I believe". That you choose to believe might be a fact, but that doesn't make those beliefs a fact. It makes them delusions. THAT is a fact.

Of course you don;t want me to say, "prove it" because you know they are lies and unprovable. Why don't you prove my anti-gravity belt is false? All you have to do is strap it on and step off the roof.

No, the subtlety is not lost on me. Belief means you accept as true no matter how absurd something is. Proof means it can be demonstrated as true even to those that do not want to believe it. That's exactly what I have done and you still refuse to accept it. That's why it's called christinsanity.

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