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Video: Rep. Paul Ryan Claims 30% Of Americans "Want Welfare State"
This week HuffingtonPost.com released a 2011 speech in which Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan claimed that 30% of Americans who don’t want “the American Dream,” but would rather have “their welfare state.”
Rep. Ryan made his statements at a November 2011 American Spectator event (video below). He did not cite any statistics to back up his claim.
Rep. Ryan said: “Today, 70 percent of Americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. So you could argue that we’re already past that [moral] tipping point."
"The good news is survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center-right 70-30 country. Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state. What that tells us is at least half of those people who are currently in that category are there not of their wish or their will.”
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I don't want to be poor. I
I don't want to be poor. I need retraining into a new and growing occupation. That would be "gay big bubba gigalo" so I can do something productive. Once I'm trained, the next time Paul Ryan bends over to pick up some Koch Adelson money I could give it to him where he deserves it.
If Romney/Ryan's contempt for
If Romney/Ryan's contempt for minorities, women, the elderly, the disabled, the poor, US soldiers, and anyone making less than $250,000 a year has not convinced voters they do not deserve to hold any public office, the immorality of the RNC's 2012 platform and their actions should have. When the RNC could not disenfranchise enough voters legally they hired convicted felon Nathan Shroul & gave him $3.1 million to repeat his voter registration crimes of 2004 in swing states this year. When the fact checkers corrected the lies the RNC was repeating in their campaign ads, these liars simply attacked the fact-checkers for daring to do their jobs & inform voters of the correct facts. Now after 4 years of attacking Obama in every way they could think of, the GOP this week mails millions of unsolicited porn videos to swing states claiming Ann Dunham( Obama's Mother who was born in 1942) was somehow an adult porn star in 1940's films. If this behavior says "leadership" to you, there is a lot more wrong in the USA than the economy.
But Michelle Obama's
But Michelle Obama's ridiculous spending gets a pass?? If that is not contempt for the poor, spending TAX DOLLARS that the poor are supposedly paying on extravagent parties and trips, please explain what is. Spare us the whole "Ooo the Obamas CARE about poor people" routine. Their actions and lifestyle prove what they are -- losers who hit the lottery.
What a moronic post... turn
What a moronic post... turn off faux mews and learn to fact find on your own. I'm embarrassed to be from KC right this minute....
I don't watch Fox or ANY news
I don't watch Fox or ANY news outlets, they are all full of it. And you SHOULD be embarrassed to be from Kansas City, it is a craphole going down the liberal toilet like the rest of the country and I plan to leave KC when the time is right. What a bunch of self destructive, moronic hayseeds to populate a major "city". Sounded like a great place when we left Kalifornia 7 years ago, but half of Los Angeles has fled to Johnson County for the "cheap housing"... and now this place is becoming more like the Left Coast every election.
I like how it is always assumed that if you disagree with the libtard media (Tingles and friends) that you must watch Faux news. I gave up cable 12 years ago and started thinking for myself. You should try it when you are not busy "herding" sheep...
Of all the asinine and
Of all the asinine and blatantly insulting comments I've ever heard made by this so called elitist Congressman, Ryan sure beats them all.......Being a Congressman is a privilege not a career or position you can use as a platform for denigrating the poor using bogus statistics. I'm just sickened at this comment.
So true. We need to remind
So true.
We need to remind these politicians that their job is supposed to be a temp position and that they are accountable to us all - their bosses. We need to remind them every year by voting the bad ones, the delusional ones and the religious extremists out of office. We need to remind them that you don't get hired to do a job by lying your way in. That may be how Romney and Ryan do it, but in the real business world; the one that the rest of us live in, you don't get a job that way. Nor do you get a job by telling your bosses that, for all intents and purposes, you don't care what is best, you are going to do things the way that you want without regard to the consequences to the organization, or in this case, the nation.
What would work best is a law requiring absolute truth in political advertising. No more half-truths, propaganda or outright lies.
Sure, every politician does it, but the GOP has made it into their religious cult and it needs to stop altogether.
We the people deserve the truth and the facts; not promises that the politicians have no intention of keeping. We need to keep our nation safe from religious zealotry and extremism of any sort.
Currently, we have as many home-grown terrorist organizations and evil cults in this country as the Middle East does.....more when you include the hate groups that are a bombing away from becoming terrorists....and most of them are members of the extremists in both of the major parties. The big difference is that the GOP has allowed those crazy extremists to take over and that is an indicator that it is time for the party to die off and be replaced by something better than it can give us.
We need to return to the idea that politics is only a temp job, by instituting term limits, by eliminating the corrupting influences of lobbyists and Citizens United. Removing money from our political system is the first step; term limits should be right along-side that, if not next.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Opposing views has an email
Opposing views has an email editor that is either stupid or lies. The title in my email was "Video: Paul Ryan Claims 30% of Americans Want to be Poor". He never said any such thing. And you can be on some welfare programs when you make $70K, into the 80th percentile. And I have personally had conversations with people that have specifically asserted their desire to keep their government money and benefits rather than get a job. I don't know if it is 30%, but it is alot more than I would have expected.
Ryan is being too generous,
Ryan is being too generous, but he may be right. The remainder of Democrat voters might either be dead or just brain dead.
I see... You need to do some
I see... You need to do some homework. IQ correlated directly with liberal politics. Conservative politics correlates inversely with education and IQ. Of course there are many stupid people in both political camps, but in general, the smarter you are the more likely you are to be liberal.
Sorry... the data just doesn't support your assertions.
Please cite your source. This
Please cite your source. This is a typical liberal fable perpetuated by so called "professors" in the universities who teach mainly because they lack the courage or skill to DO what they talk about. In the class, everything is theoretical. In the real world, real brains and skills count. That is why I left teaching and I am now an IT consultant doing REAL work for REAL customers paying serious money, not the pittance that universities pay to so-called "doctors". And I have an IQ of 157 and I have not a single liberal bone in my body. Of course, I am not a conservative either. Libertarians probably rate higher than both donkeys and elephants, based on my short lived experiences working with both of those lame parties.
And we are just supposed to
And we are just supposed to 'trust' on all your achievements, right? Where have we heard THAT before? LOL
'Od courde" - anyone who goes on the net and brags like you do, knowing they will never have to back it up, is instantly NOT to be trusted.
I can tell you that your 'IQ of 157' definitely doesn't show in any of your postings....
Interesting. My assertions of
Interesting. My assertions of a high IQ are questionable since I make them "on the internet", but assertions that conservatives (or non liberals) are stupid is accepted as gospel on its face.
And the fact that you point out that my IQ does not show in my posts suggests that you have no concept of how IQ is measured or what it even is. Simply disagreeing with someone politically has nothing to do with actual IQ.
Most telling of all is that the real subject of my reply has not been addressed. Since you prefer to focus on my ability to prove my IQ, rather than on some kind of evidence concerning the intelligence of liberals vs non-liberals, I assume that there IS no "proof" to back up this claim and, using YOUR logic, it must not be true simply because proof is not given at the point of assertion.
So once again I ask, what is the backing source of such an assertion?
Once again - and most telling
Once again - and most telling - YOU are the one making the asseertions. Lets see your 'proof'.
Interesting. You can ASSume all you want. No one believes you.
I have a source regarding a
I have a source regarding a couple of points on the whole religious cult and intelligence issue here:
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html
http://www.care2.com/causes/top-10-reasons-gop-intellectuals-are-know-nothings.html#comment-4142323
And if you don't think that is enough, consider that a lot of "conservative"/teabaggers/GOP sycophants listen to and believe what is stated on fox "news", so here is another bit of easily found research:
http://www.truth-out.org/14-propaganda-techniques-fox-news-uses-brainwash-americans/1309612678
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
lol... consider the sources.
lol... consider the sources. Of course University studies say these things, they are the very hell holes of liberal ideology, mostly run by people who can "talk" alot about their field of interest, but rarely go out into the real world to do real work. I know many of these academic types and many cannot actually provide professional services in the fields of interest that they are degreed in and are stuck in the education system as a result. Then they spend huge amounts of time spending tuition and/or taxpayer money to create these so-called studies.
If you are merely going to reference liberal studies, then the only way to rebutt that is to reference "conservative" studies or literature (most of which is often just as flawed). But since I am neither, I see no point. I am a Libertarian, a Jeffersonian that believes all men should do whatever they want to as long as it does not infringe on someone else's freedom. Period.
And as I said before, I do not watch Fox... or CNN, MSNBC or ANY TV news. It is ALL biased, just like the universities. Everyone has an agenda. To believe otherwise is naive and childish.
IQ doesn't necessarily equate
IQ doesn't necessarily equate with good judgment :-) You are right. Anyone can post their IQ and we can believe it or not. IQ is a funny thing. It skews higher if you study things like math, engineering, or computer science. My tested IQ scored much higher after I completed my graduate work, which shows the test is biased. You should not be able to learn to be smarter by 30 points. The test is biased toward quantitative performance. Since this person claims to be in IT, his 157 could simply reflect the quantitative studies bias in the IQ test - the same one I saw when I looked at my IQ scores over the years.
Ironically, I was in the honors program as an undergrad at MSU. Many of the smartest people on my dorm floor were people who seemed much smarter than me. Some of them flunked out of school and a fair number never went very far. It is you ability to use your IQ in productive ways that matters more than your raw IQ.
There is this thing called
There is this thing called "google"? Maybe your inflated ego will let you make use of it. Try the scholarly article search. However, since you seem dismissive of the "liberal" ivory tower, you might not be willing to see the statistical significance.
I happen to own an IT company with 40 employees. I wouldn't hire an ass like you. Brilliant buttheads don't make for good customer relationships.
Yes, just Google it. All of
Yes, just Google it. All of the "answers" are on the internet... I actually use Google extensively every day, but not in my search for "truth"... lol.
I have read many "studies" on IQ. I was just curious to know which one was being referenced by the person making the assertion.
I agree on this, that I know many people with very high IQ's who waste their lives and get nothing done. IQ represents "potential" and I leverage mine well. Not only am I great technician, I am an amazing consultant with people skills rarely seen in the IT world. In case you are capable of knowing the difference, I will explain that false bragging (your perception because I am not a liberal) and simple recognition of my abilities are not the same. I never claimed to be "better" or "smarter" than anyone, I merely stated my most recent score. Bringing up one's IQ might be in poor taste in casual conversation, but it might be reasonably expected when such unsupported assertions are made.
Interesting that you call me names (standard liberal fallback position) merely because I challenge a questionable assertion while stating my IQ, since I am not a liberal AND have a high IQ, in direct contradiction to the assertion. Even more interesting that I have the highest customer sat ratings in my company (not one single rating below "very satisfied") because I can keep a cool head when someone, like you, starts calling names. I was wondering when the name calling would start since almost every discussion I have with liberals devolves to mud slinging. I suspect that the "brilliant buttheads" you refer to aren't so bright if they are biting the hands that feed them.
Since I am in the process of completing my Microsoft Certified Masters certification, I would probably not work for you, either. I can pick and choose who I work for, and, after interviewing you, I am fairly certain that your narrow minded belief that non-liberals are "dumber" would make me look for someone who does not rely on "scholarly" articles as sources for "truth"...lol.
Good luck with the business and try not to be so angry. It causes high blood pressure and premature death. I say that with true concern. No one needs to ruin their health over posts on the internet.
More egotisical claims that
More egotisical claims that you expect to be believed bacause you SAY so. Good luck with that.
LOL - what a poseur. You should really get out of your Mom's basement more often.
Ryan is a follower of Ayn
Ryan is a follower of Ayn Rand... Most adults read her in college, ponder her statements, and then form supportable political positions base in reality and based on the fact that we are a community.
Taxes include property taxes, sales taxes, fuel taxes. Everyone regardless of income level pays some form of tax used for the public good.
Ryan is either lying about
Ryan is either lying about reading Ayn Rand or his reading comprehension abilities should terrify his constituents. Ryan claims he read & re-read her books for 20 yrs (even giving away "Atlas Shrugged" as gifts) without understanding Rand's Atheism and commitment to pathological greed ARE the core of this novel? How stupid is he? Ayn Rand's books and interviews spelled out her contempt for Christian philosophies of philanthropy, charity, self-sacrifice, and empathy. She was very clear about her beliefs. Paul Ryan claims he read her, loved her characters who openly committed adultery, call disabled human beings parasites & moochers, and lived by the belief that there is no greater love than selfishness, but Ryan only decided recently to disavow her when someone else finally pointed out that Rand was an Atheist. Clearly, Ryan shares all of Rand's views, including lying & cheating to get what you want and abandoning anyone who might get in your way.
Yes... I find it extremely
Yes... I find it extremely ironic when social conservatives cite Rand. She was a pro-choice atheist with very "liberal" views when it comes to social issues in general. She was strongly against any interplay between politics and religion:
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_faq
Well, I "claim" that ryan is
Well, I "claim" that ryan is a weasel who doesn’t reserve to be on any National ticket. So there! My claims are just as valid as his - and just as substantiated..