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Video: Mitt Romney Says Deny Coverage for Uninsured with Pre-Existing Conditions
During an appearance on 'The Tonight Show' on Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said that President Obama’s health care reform law should be overturned and that people with pre-existing conditions should be denied coverage if they never had insurance before (video below).
Host Jay Leno said: “It seems to me like children and people with preexisting conditions should be covered."
But Romney countered: “People with pre-existing conditions, as long as they’ve been insured before, they’re going to continue to have insurance."
“Suppose they were never insured?” Leno asked.
Romney answered: “Well, if they’re 45 years old, and they show up, and they say, I want insurance, because I’ve got a heart disease, it’s like, `Hey guys, we can’t play the game like that. You’ve got to get insurance when you’re well, and if you get ill, then you’re going to be covered."
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I'm so sick of people on both
I'm so sick of people on both sides of the political spectrum distorting what people from the other side say for the purposes of demonizing them! This must stop, people, or we will become more and more polarized and, eventually, our society will either break apart or become a totalitarian police state. Even though I am not a fan of his, it should be obvious that Mitt Romney would never propose that poor people not get healthcare. This would make him not only evil but stupid. He could never have been elected with this combination of qualities! (Though he probably could with one out of two!) Millions of people get healthcare today without insurance, though the system is badly in need of reform.
Duke, You're correct that
Duke, You're correct that Mitt would never propose that poor people not get healthcare but that is what his proposed policies would lead to. I don't think it's a matter of him being evil or him hating poor people as some have suggested. I think it's just that he doesn't understand how things work in the real world for poor people. He doesn't seem to understand that other people don't have a trust fund to fall back on. Many people don't have family or neighbors who can help pay their medical bills. 50% of bankruptcies in our country are due to medical bills and about half of those are people who had health insurance when they got sick. Of course when they get their medical bills written off in bankruptcy those costs don't disappear. They get redistributed to everyone else using the system.
So, no, he would never say out loud that poor people shouldn't get health care but that is what his policies would lead to.
He is so done and there is no
He is so done and there is no one else to take his place.
Everything I do, I do it for you.
Many companies don't offer
Many companies don't offer health insurance benefits nor a decent living wage. Romney made big bux buying and selling companies and sending our jobs over seas. Besides that he claims to be a Mormon, which supposedly is Christian. I was taught that a man by the name of Jesus is the CHRIST and he said "Treat others as you wish to be treated, THE LEAST AMONG US SHALL BE OUR MASTERS and LOVE YOUR ENEMIES." How do these infinitely greedy republican spawn get off claiming some sort of monopoly on Christianity? To Mitt Romney and any greedy hatefull fool that would vote for him: We know who and what you are, you are with the synagogue of SATAN (revelations 2:9), be prepared to burn in hell.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.c
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/pre-existing-conditions.htm gives a list of pre-existing conditions that can be used to deny medical insurance.
This is from a man who closed
This is from a man who closed down how many companies? Unemployed how many people and sent how many jobs overseas? In my opinion between all the politicians there has been to much inbreeding for centuries. It would be an insult to the word stupid to call these idiots stupid.
This is what you get, all you
This is what you get, all you people who are "To DUMB TO VOTE" That would be the independents that elected this bunch of Tea Party Republicans.
Study's have shown that Democracy doesn't work when you have an ignorant voting majority.
This explains the Kansas syndrome, where the voters of Kansas always vote against their own self interests.
The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.
incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people's ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.
As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them. On top of that, "very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is."
Chuck
This is what insurance is
This is what insurance is everyone. You buy insurance IN CASE you need it. Waiting until you're sick to buy it and being upset when they refuse to sell it to you is just stupid. People with chronic things they've had since birth? Juvenile diabetes? etc etc make sure you maintain your coverage. Or heaven forbid we let the market work on medications for such chronic conditions to lower the price.
Are you saying that, if you
Are you saying that, if you are poor all your life you don't deserve health care? I live in Brazil and the poorest people here can obtain the same quality of health care as I do.
So can people of any developed country with a freely-elected government except the USA.
Check out this video. http://vimeo.com/6799683
It's troglodyte Rethugnicans that make the USA the shame of the world.
@ ecuadmail : Read my above
@ ecuadmail : Read my above post, I think it applies to you.
Chuck
No, it applies to an
No, it applies to an arrogant, ignorant fool that has no clue about anything. Yes, I mean you.
You think? Starting when? I
You think? Starting when? I haven't seen any evidence of it. All I have seen it the typical neo-con arrogance of "I've got mine, the hell with you."
We need mandatory
We need mandatory participation or single payer. No other option is workable.
We will get it, too - after
We will get it, too - after every penny has been sucked out of the American public. The President of AETNA just admitted last month that our system is unsustainable and is going to collapse within a decade. Our current system of "health care" sucks up 17% of our GDP as it is now - how big can it get? (Considering that "financial and securities transactions" comprise 64%, it makes you wonder what America is producing at all.)
The present health insurance companies are like the TBTF banks - remoras whose only purpose is to cheat and steal and drain money from the American public until there aren't any assets held by the middle class.
For some reason, a large minority of Americans think that a country and society only have one purpose: to make rich people richer. What a pathetic, abominable lot of sociopaths that route will make us.
Single payer hasn't worked
Single payer hasn't worked anywhere else. Why would it now?
What we need to do is get away from the "free healthcare" system -- either the government or insurer paying for all of your medical care -- and go to a cash system with catastrophic only insurance.
@ChrisB: You say "Single
@ChrisB: You say "Single payer hasn't worked anywhere else. Why would it now?"
What is the source of this information.
Chuck
Some people have brain
Some people have brain diseases that cause them to parrot lies from the sickness and death for profit insurance and corporate for profit health care mizer swindlers. The health care sytem in UK has not worked for the infinitely greedy wasted sperm who make millions collecting sick people's money for doing nothing but sit on their greed arses and count their money like they do here in the USA. But some how people in the UK recieve better health care than here for less cost per person. France has the best UNIVERSAL health care on the planet and they get far better care than here. I lived in Canada for three years buddy and people can actually go to a doctor there before they are about to die. Our health care is worse than Cuba's and costs 10 times as much because the real entitlement class here in the USA are millionaires and billionaires. Although Dick Cheney got a heart transplant that goof helped pay for they cannot yet do a brain transplant to save anybody that would write or speak against National Universal Health care. Even China has a national health care plan where the republicans sent all our jobs. GET A CLUE!
Maybe if you examined health
Maybe if you examined health care in other countries, you'd see how absurd your comment is.
http://vimeo.com/6799683
Brazil, uh? I don't
Brazil, uh? I don't understand your interest in the system unless you have left for only a short time for business reasons. Actually, I think it is about time people started to entertain the really foreign idea of PAYING FOR SOMETHING THEMSELVES. The entitlement mentality is our greatest enemy in the United States and it is passed on from parent to child for generations. It is an individual's responsibility to take care of themselves - why not give it a try - it's good for you. Please do not ridicule those who still feel pride in themselves.
@ just a thought: Sharing in
@ just a thought: Sharing in the wealth of the US we help create is not entitlement.
Right now the US has a Fascist Economy, privatize profits and socialize losses.
The Wall Street bailouts where entitlements, The Bank bailouts where entitlements.
That's a Fascist Economy. Company's use the Taxpayers money for their losses, and keep the profits from the bailouts. A classic formula for a Fascist Economy.
Chuck
In a single payer system,
In a single payer system, like most of the developed world uses, we do pay for it ourselves. It's paid with our taxes. It's about time people like you start to "entertain the really foreign idea of" doing something to actually improve our system. Instead of reciting meaningless rhetoric you should learn about how well single payer works everywhere else. It's dramatically less expensive than our system and has better results in almost all categories.
What are you saying about the USA here? Are you suggesting that we can't take this system that works well consistently worldwide and do it at least as well as the Canadians? Are you saying that we can't make our healthcare system as good as the French? What makes them so special that they can have a successful healthcare system that works for everyone and we can't? Why do you think so little of the USA?
James - That video you keep
James - That video you keep spamming with is ridiculously simplified and quite stupid. For one, Brazil's healthcare is abysmal. Secondly, something you might not realize - The US, with money made from the healthcare industry, is at the forefront in creating new drugs. The money goes somewhere. Then what happens? Other countries eventually get the patents and generics are made for really cheap prices. I think we should TAX our drugs like crazy (that to developed countries). WE are paying for expensive drugs and medical equipment and research, meanwhile other countries get the benefit. America has the best, most well funded, research in the world.
Here's a quote from an article about Brazil's healthcare(from The Economist of all places):
"SUS’s family doctors reach only one Brazilian in two. Another quarter have private-health insurance; the remainder, mostly poor people, live in remote rural areas or violent urban slums where the service is lacking. They must either pay out of pocket or take their chances in crowded hospital emergency rooms.Despite the constitutional injunction, around 60% of all spending on health care in Brazil is private—a higher share than in most other Latin American countries, and higher even than in the United States. Private provision mainly covers a rich and young minority. Spending on SUS accounts for just 3.1% of GDP."
Most of the countries on your little, very hard to read map/video (see: http://aquadoc.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bf80a53ef0120a56b45cd970b-pi) for the actual map) have healthcare that DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE to the US.
The US has its healthcare problems, for sure, but spreading misinformation in hopes of having the government decide everything, provide everything, spend our money how it sees fit - is, in my opinion, UnAmerican. :)
Here's an article about how Europe is falling behind in drug research (From Nature): (http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v6/n4/full/nrd2293.html). Here's the abstract and a brief part of the article: ------------------------------
Price controls seen as key to Europe's drug innovation lag
Abstract Pharmaceutical innovation is not only occurring faster in the United States than in Europe, but the gap is getting wider.
For those hoping that Europe might be redressing the imbalance in R&D innovation compared with the United States, two recent reports make gloomy reading. According to a competitiveness report published in November 2006 by the European Commission's high-level Pharmaceutical Forum, the US has established itself firmly as the key innovator in pharmaceuticals since 2000. "That dominant position continues to expand... a disproportionate share of pharmaceutical R&D is performed in the US," it laments.
So you think you can write a
So you think you can write a big long comment and act like you know something? Anybody that watches over 1/2 hour of US TV knows that US drug companies make more new commercials than they do new drugs. How many times have they renamed Prozac and marketed it for some other lazy bum hole syndrome invented disease? Have at'er buddy, anyone that would write somethin' like that line o' butterscotch you wrote must be making big money from the FDA sanctioned drug cartel.
Nice. Completely ignore all
Nice. Completely ignore all of the links and information I posted. You're right, long posts don't mean anything without content, it's just too bad you IGNORED the content.
"Single payer hasn't worked
"Single payer hasn't worked anywhere else. Why would it now?"
What do you base that statement on? Single payer is working well in most of the developed world. It's far less expensive and has better outcomes than our system by virtually any measure. In fact, just about the only type of health care that we really do significantly better than others is elective cosmetic surgery.
That makes two that didn't
That makes two that didn't even read the comment and just assumed I made some particular argument. "State of Reason" (ease up on the oxymorons, man!) just copy-pasted his reply to some other dude. Why am I wasting my time on this again?
Why is this news? That's how
Why is this news? That's how insurance works.
Should people be able to get car insurance after they've wrecked the car? Of course not. When you get insurance, you're betting you'll need it, and the insurer is better you won't. Buying when you need it is just sticking someone else with the bill.
No one's talking about shutting down medicare or medicaid. We can find ways to help people other people pay for insurance. But healthy people will have to understand that getting insurance when you're healthy is the key to having it when you're not.
@ChrisB: Why can the
@ChrisB: Why can the Government require car insurance but can't require health insurance?
Chuck
If you were a poor person
If you were a poor person that had never been able to afford luxuries like health insurance, decent housing, or clothing, you might have a more humane attitude.
Health care is not car insurance. It's a basic human right in most countries of the world. But human rights don't concern a lot of right wing nuts.
Here are some facts about health care in the world: http://vimeo.com/6799683
Here are some facts about how they decided to do it in the UK.
http://vimeo.com/6799683
No where that has universal health care has it bankrupted the country or future generations.
Every country with some kind
Every country with some kind of single-payer health care system has the same problem: They keep having to cut benefits and pump more money into the system. It doesn't keep costs down; it just shifts them so they go through government first. This has been the experience in Britain, Canada, France, and Japan. (http://mythreecents-cb.blogspot.com/2009/09/health-care-reform-in-other-countries.html)
Again, we will always need to help poor people, but forcing them all into something like the disaster that is medicare isn't the answer. Nothing is more expensive than free healthcare.
With health care costs rising dramatically, how have cosmetic surgery and eye care kept costs down? Because people have to pay cash. Prices can't skyrocket when people pay out of pocket. It forces them to keep costs in check.
Health insurance needs to work more like car insurance: You pay for your own oil change and tires, but if you're in a wreck, it takes care of the big stuff.
If we don't go to a cash + catastrophic insurance system, nothing will change.
@ChrisB: Your lower than
@ChrisB: Your lower than whale shit, making up stories about other countries health care systems to further your argument.
The French health care system is one of universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance. In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "best overall health care" in the world. In 2005, France spent 11.2% of GDP on health care, or US$3,926 per capita, a figure much higher than the average spent by countries in Europe but less than in the US. Approximately 77% of health expenditures are covered by government funded agencies.
Chuck
Those aren't "facts," James.
Those aren't "facts," James. It's an absurdly oversimplified MAP that can't even be read.
Here's the actual map, for inquiring minds:
http://aquadoc.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bf80a53ef0120a56b45cd970b-pi
I wonder if the interview
I wonder if the interview ever touches on the fact that even if you've maintained insurance for your whole life insurance companies often kick people off their roles for things like heart disease saying it's a "Preexisting condition". They don't just use the preexisting condition loophole to deny insurance, they also use it to deny coverage for treatment even if you've had their insurance for years.
Of course, Romney is making a perfect case for "Obamacare". Everyone should maintain insurance coverage for exactly that reason.
Romney... kook-Aid swilling
Romney... kook-Aid swilling parasite with a defective brain that believes in imaginary beings, golden tablets and magic G-Strings he is so batshit crazy you could sell tickets.
This profoundly retarded cretin needs a padded room not a podium.
Mormon... just a moron that can't spell.
Those that can't or won't defend themselves can only be slaves.
You are pathetic............
You are pathetic............
Why? because I want an adult
Why? because I want an adult that doesn't openly profess their insanity by conversing with an imaginary friend.
Not to mention the gullibility of anyone professing to believe in "John Smith" the conman and petty criminal.
You don't have a problem with Golden tablets and magic underwear?..... How big of a mat do you need to sweep all that batshit crazy under?
Those that can't or won't defend themselves can only be slaves.
Profound douche you are.
Profound douche you are.
And RealityBites, what does
And RealityBites, what does RealityBites believe in besides hate speech? Sounds like an atheist whose god is known as Nogod, his high priest is James Randi the liar. His lackey is Michael Shermer the user.
Brief Comparison of the Gods
Brief Comparison of the Gods & Heavens
JesusGod..... Hasn't listened yet, can't control anything he supposedly created, he routinely lets storms, fire and flood wipe out his devout believers. (Heaven consists of playing a harp and for ever kissing some insecure twits feet) AllahGod..... See above minus harp, then add, makes his believers live in the crappiest parts of the world. (Heaven consists of 72 questionable species virgins.) HindiGod..... 800 levels of caste system put in place by arseholes to ensure their supply of slaves never runs out. (Heaven consists of being reincarnated as a cockroach to be stomped on again.) PikkiwokiGod.... Unknown rules and regulations but Pikkiwoki promises a pig and as many coconuts you can carry in heaven. PastafarianGod.... Heaven contains a beer volcano and a stripper factory MyGod..... Work hard, don't be an prick, have fun and be fun. Why would you want to die... the party is on the planet.... MyGod doesn't have an issue with immorality you can use it where it's fun and all your friends are.... MyGod doesn't hate his followers and kill and maim them for pure pleasure. (Job)
How does your imaginary friend rate?
Those that can't or won't defend themselves can only be slaves.
@William Perron : You sound
@William Perron : You sound like a person who bases his World View on a belief system from the bronze age, without evidence to indicate it is even remotely right.
Yeah, that's what we need a 1st Century conversation in the 21st Century.
Chuck
I'd like you to prove that
I'd like you to prove that you are as far superior to William Perron as you obviously think you are. Why don't you try to participate in a constructive way instead of trying (and, believe me, it's only trying) to ridicule another person?
@Just A Thought: The Facts
@Just A Thought: The Facts are the Facts.I have contributed to the discussion numerous times, I should not have to tell you this.
He brought the realm of Myth into the discussion not Me, an should be expected to answer for it.
Chuck
Voluntary insurance cannot
Voluntary insurance cannot cover pre-existing conditions -- that's why Obama-Care had to make coverage mandatory. If the Supreme Court overturns that provision, then we will have to choose between socialized medicine or lots of uninsured people.
Aha! So this is what these
Aha! So this is what these neo-cons meant by "death panels". It was all a misunderstanding on my part. They meant something entirely different. If you're poor and have never been ale to afford insurance, just die. There are too many poor and most of them are minorities anyway. Certainly none of them are Mormons.
I wonder how Romneycare in Massachusetts handles this?
Seriously, does anyone think this jerk should be elected to anything?
Like many states,
Like many states, Massachusetts has a well-child medicaid program; as well, many insurers cover a neonate infant under the mother's policy for at least thirty days, including medicaid policies. Thus, what Romney is suggesting is for people who have never had any access to any medical social assistance whatsoever to continue to have zero access... And for people who were covered for a month under their mother's policy as infants before losing coverage to have to go back and find that old paperwork somehow.
Which is to say, people who simply wait til they're sick and then go to the ER, unable to pay, ought to continue doing so. And the rest of us who have had insurance at some point in our lives will continue paying those costs by hospitals raising their rates to cover default bills.
Yay for the status quo!!
Sound bites like that will
Sound bites like that will kill Romney in the election. The majority of people are opposed to pre-existing conditions rules.