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Did Hacker Group Anonymous Stop Karl Rove from Hijacking Election?
The 2012 presidential election kind of looked rigged from the get-go.
Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted had installed an untested, unapproved software patch for ballot counting just a week before the election. When various groups protested to the courts, Husted responded that the software patch ran outside of the federally-approved voting machinery. Therefore, it did not need testing and did not to be reviewed by the state election commission. The courts went along with him.
A few days later, the international hacker group Anonymous released a video. In it Anonymous warned that they were monitoring all the computers of Fox News analyst and Republican chief fundraiser Karl Rove. Anonymous warned Rove personally to not interfere with the election results.
That made sense. This was because Craig Unger warned Americans about the possibility of electioneering in his book, Boss Rove. That is where Unger argued that Rove’s software hackers hijacked the Ohio election results at 11:14 pm EST in 2004. That was when the Ohio vote-tallying computers all went offline. When they came back up, the vote counters had switched thousands of votes in favor of Senator John Kerry to President George W. Bush’s column.
Then, during election night in 2012, it was suddenly Unger’s story all over again—almost. This time the Ohio, statewide, vote-tallying computers went down at 11:13 pm EST. That was thirteen minutes after voter analyst Karl Rove had begun to throw his 30-minute tantrum live on Fox News. Rove was angry that the Fox analysts had called the Ohio election in favor of President Obama at 11:00 pm EST. During his rant, Rove went into a detailed analysis about how that part of the yet uncounted voter—25%—would throw the election to Romney. And then, bingo—
The Ohio computers went down in the middle of Rove’s rant. But when they came back up there was no change in the vote. Obama still led. Rove looked even more perplexed. He then argued for another 15 minutes that Romney could still win Ohio. Finally, Rove conceded that perhaps Romney might lose the state.
Then, two days after the 2012 election, Anonymous released another video. The hackers explained that they had inserted a firewall into Secretary of State Husted’s software patch. That had stopped the Ohio election counters from using it. The hackers said that they had analyzed the patch and that it would have flip-flopped the vote in the same counties that Karl Rove, of Fox, had argued would eventually swing the Ohio election to Romney.
Interesting, on election night, when the Ohio computers came back online, the vote tallying went on without the patch, and Obama won.
This whole thing might mean that the patch should be subpoenaed into court and examined for its potential to rig an election—especially since no one dared to complain that it did not work. And the counting kept on going, anyway, unquestioned. But that’s not all.
Anonymous claims that Mitt Romney’s Orca program was a fake, also. It was not meant to be used as a get-out-the-vote program as stated by the Romney campaign. Rather, it was meant to be used to divert and flip flop the vote in two other states, Florida and Virginia. Like Ohio, both states have Republican Secretaries of state who resolve voting issues. Makes you wonder, right? But there is more.
Mitt Romney was so sure of winning that he did not have anyone prepare a concession speech for him ahead of time. If that sounds a little suspicious, consider this. The election had already been called a week earlier in Obama’s favor by the best known poll analyst in the U.S., Nate Silver.
There are a dozen reports concerning these events. The Humboldt Sentinel, in its online version, ran a video showing talk radio host Thom Hartmann’s report on Rove’s supposed election rigging. The Drudge Report also covered it in its online version. What is more, The Daily Kos reported on this story. Yet most all of the major media won’t touch this story about Anonymous and Karl Rove. That is because it contradicts what Americans believe about their elections—that they are generally just and fair.
Congress also would have to be pushed pretty hard before it ever touches the story. As far as the Congress is concerned, the election is over. And after all, the committee it voted in to law to fix the problems with national elections has no sitting members and goes unfunded. This shows that Congress is deadlocked about issues that would regulate U.S. national elections.
Yet, if you are a concerned voter, please contact the U.S. senators from your state at http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm/.
This egregious attempt at vote rigging by Karl Rove and the Romney campaign—if true—must not go unpunished. At the minimum, Ohio, Virginia, and Florida should be forced to have a ballot paper trail. This would allow for a verifiable recount if this same thing turns up in 2016. The current electronic voting systems in those states cannot be used to do a legitimate recount.
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As an FYI, Florida has a full
As an FYI, Florida has a full paper trail. All ballots are on paper (you vote with a bic pen) and scanned and then automatically fed into sealed safes.
Sorry, folks, about my
Sorry, folks, about my misinterpretation of the Anonymous video about how they blocked Karl Rove from hijacking 3 states' presidential elections. I cannot now say that the polling software in Florida was one of the 3 that Anonymous claims to have hacked in order to block Rove's endeavors. My mistake.
Yet, there is nothing that I've seen that contradicts any other fact in the article. Most compelling, perhaps, is the fact that Rove flipped out and literally took over the Fox election coverage for a half hour to argue that Ohio would go for Romney. It was like suddenly no other state mattered.
If I can confirm what the other state was in which Rove and his buddies apparently tried to hijack the vote, I'll get back to you. Otherwise, I stand by this story as something the really needs further investigation on the federal level. It’s just too compelling of a narrative to say that the author is just a "douche bag" who made up the story. Geez ... if only that were the case.
Dr Billy Kidd
I agree with many of the
I agree with many of the comments made here. I would like to require all conspiracy theorists to present their proof. I would like everyone to contact their congressmen & the President to insist that nationwide conformity of elections be required. Here is a 2012 analysis of the best & worst election processes currently active among our states : http://countingvotes.org/
If this article is factual, Anonomous deserves the gratitude of the nation. I hope they will come forward, testify to the people, media & the courts and help us secure future elections. If hackers can monitor our voting machines, we need more security for our elections. All US citizens need to help us secure free, fair elections. Our loyalty to one another & our Constitution should mean more than any political party affiliations. Extremists & sociopaths must not be allowed to dishonor our election process. No matter how heated our differences, we are one family of Americans. We only seem to remember this at times of national disasters. We need to remember that each of us & every political party is sincerely interested in the welfare of our nation. No American wants to destroy this country. We have layers of government & social structures to assure our freedoms. There is no justification for fraud or deception in our legal or election processes. The US government can identify every eligible adult when needs to enforce a draft. It should be able to identify & provide documentation for every adult to vote. No one should be disenfranchised. We all deserve a voice ,a vote and honest elections.
Dr. Kidd: Florida has had a
Dr. Kidd:
Florida has had a paper ballot trail since 2008.
@Diana Dem: Your full of
@Diana Dem: Your full of shit, Florida does not have a paper trail. You lying little douche bag.
States that use DRE machines ( optical scan voting systems allow a computer to count a voter's mark on a ballot ). DRE voting machines which collect and tabulate votes in a single machine, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, and Nevada are considered swing states, Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Colorado do not have any sort of voter-verified paper trail. The main issue is that sometimes computers make mistakes and might record the wrong data to the storage media.
http://www.peachpundit.com/2012/11/05/the-ballot-box-security-question/
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/1025/Exclusive-E-voting-puts-vote-accuracy-at-risk-in-four-key-states
Exclusive: E-voting puts vote accuracy at risk in four key states In four battleground states – Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado – glitches in electronic-voting machines could produce erroneous tallies that would be difficult to detect and potentially impossible to correct, a Monitor analysis finds.
Touch-screen electronic voting machines in at least four states pose a risk to the integrity of the 2012 presidential election, according to a Monitor analysis.
Is your vote secure? Many digital systems lack paper backups, study says. Potential voter registration fraud in Florida: GOP’s own 'ACORN' scandal?
The Christian Science Monitor Weekly Digital Edition.
In four key battleground states – Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado – glitches in e-voting machines could produce incorrect or incomplete tallies that would be difficult to detect and all but impossible to correct because the machines have no paper record for officials to go back and check.
Chuck
Chuck I think you are very
Chuck I think you are very rude and obnoxious but I will attempt to educate you just the same.
1) I live in the infamous Palm Beach County, FL. E-voting was outlawed in this state in 2007, with the exception of people with disabilities who still vote on e-machines.
2) The law was passed in 2007 and implemented for the 2008 election. I invite you to read FL Statute 105.151. Pay close attention to how the law specifies the PAPER BALLOT, the thickness of the paper, on-demand PRINTING of the paper ballot, etc. etc. http://tinyurl.com/a3b5kwc
3) The original bill, HB537, was signed into law on May 21st, 2007 by then Governor Charlie Crist. http://tinyurl.com/bg6f3ax
4) All voting systems in the state of Florida will be replaced in 2016 so that ALL systems are the same and are ADA compliant.
5) The GOP registration stealing scheme was uncovered by MY supervisor of elections, Susan Bucher, who was interviewed extensively by the press, including Michael Isikoff of NBC News, as well as Brad Friedman of Brad Blog which made this story go viral nationally and uncovered their scheme in other states.
6) As long as Susan Bucher is my supervisor, you can bet your ass my vote is secure. She has more integrity in her pinky than you have in your obnoxious little brain.
7) We have had to do some recounts here. HAND recounts and the paper ballots were used for that function and assured us that votes were counted properly.
8) Paper ballots have to be warehoused for 10 years.
9) I voted on a paper ballot on the first day of early voting. If you would like to see an example of one, you can see one here:
http://www.pbcelections.org/items.aspx?id=35
The next time you want to call someone a liar and a douche bag, I suggest you have your facts straight because it just makes you look like the ignorant asshole you are.
Totally true. I am stuck in
Totally true. I am stuck in Broward County, just south of you and we have the paper ballot as well, because of the law that was created in the wake of the 2004 fiasco.
My only issue is that the ballot was too damned long because it was written in English, Spanish and Creole (the latter two should have been unneccesary if all citizens were required to speak, read and write English to become citizens, which is another issue entirely).
So all of the fools that are making assumptions about the vote in Florida because they have been drinking the far right, teabagger kool-aide, you need to listen to those who live in the places they are talking about and stop making ignorant assumptions.
We may have our problems with the vote, but at least WE were not the laughing stock of election results this time around.....there are a few others that have that very dubious honor.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Is anyone else skeptical of
Is anyone else skeptical of the assumption that Republican ideologues are smart enough _know_ how to hack the voting machines?
They would have to have found someone who is both clever enough to do it, willing to do it, and sufficiently trustworthy to keep secret a crime that could send both the perpetrators and their employers to federal prison doing hard time.
@fsilber: You are a total
@fsilber: You are a total idiot:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/1025/Exclusive-E-voting-puts-vote-accuracy-at-risk-in-four-key-states
Touch-screen electronic voting machines in at least four states pose a risk to the integrity of the 2012 presidential election, according to a Monitor analysis.
Is your vote secure? Many digital systems lack paper backups, study says. Potential voter registration fraud in Florida: GOP’s own 'ACORN' scandal?
The Christian Science Monitor Weekly Digital Edition.
In four key battleground states – Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado – glitches in e-voting machines could produce incorrect or incomplete tallies that would be difficult to detect and all but impossible to correct because the machines have no paper record for officials to go back and check.
Chuck
@fsilber: I don't know if
@fsilber: I don't know if the article-in-chief, here, is factual. But I do know that it's foolish to assume that that about which you say you're skeptical simply isn't either likely or possible. Just because a programmer/hacker is extremely talented doesn't mean s/he can't be misguided... either in terms of political ideology, or simple right and wrong. Believe me, there are hard core Republicans who are MORE than "clever enough," and who are also "sufficiently trustworthy."
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
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Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.
Security expert Bruce
Security expert Bruce Schneier doubts that Anonymous actually had any affect on the election beyond than their claim. Colorado was the tipping point for the Electoral College count. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/11/anonymous_claim.html
Question Authority, Anarchy & Assumptions
@dotkhan: This is a quote
@dotkhan:
This is a quote from your Security expert Bruce Schneier.
" "Unbreakable"
"Claims of a system or cryptographic method being "unbreakable" are almost always false."
Chuck
So, then... I'm confused,
So, then... I'm confused, @chuck1al. What's your point? What Schneier writes is correct. I've been in high-stakes, high-level IT and management consulting for nearly 40 years, and so am qualified to judge. Trust me, Schneier could not be more correct... or, more accurately: Accurate.
So, then, why the obvious derision of @dotkhan's "security expert?" Do you doubt that expertise? I'm quite familiar with Schneier's work. He's more than qualified to make the statement; and, again, he's right about it.
So... what's the problem, then? And I don't mean for that to sound so confrontational... I'm seriously just trying to understand...
...er... wait... you're throwing that his "expert" agrees with YOU back in his face. Oh... okay... I get it. And good point.
Electronic voting systems are not secure. That said, I got one half-written a few years back that I was just going to donate to the world (had the website for it built and everything) which, if used as a nationwide system, in precisely the way I had intended, came about as close as I've ever seen to one that really almost can't be broken; and which uses normal, off-the-shelf computer hardware such as one can purchase at BestBuy. But, alas, I never found the time to finish it. I might, though, now. Every election, in fact, I re-get the itch. Maybe this year I'll finally re-scratch it.
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
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Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.
Now this is interesting food
Now this is interesting food for thought, what if it was reversed? Would somebody take the time to report this "story"?
jmcv02
@jmcv02: I see your ignorance
@jmcv02: I see your ignorance all over this site.
Touch-screen electronic voting machines in at least four states pose a risk to the integrity of the 2012 presidential election, according to a Monitor analysis.
Is your vote secure? Many digital systems lack paper backups, study says. Potential voter registration fraud in Florida: GOP’s own 'ACORN' scandal?
The Christian Science Monitor Weekly Digital Edition.
In four key battleground states – Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado – glitches in e-voting machines could produce incorrect or incomplete tallies that would be difficult to detect and all but impossible to correct because the machines have no paper record for officials to go back and check.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/1025/Exclusive-E-voting-puts-vote-accuracy-at-risk-in-four-key-states
Chuck
Chuck- I see your ignorance
Chuck- I see your ignorance all over this site when you think you know it all yet half the time your responds are half truths when you fact check them, my question was hypothetical not serious. Stop being so angry and hateful.
jmcv02
jmcv02 wrote: ...what if it
jmcv02 wrote: ...what if it was reversed? Would somebody take the time to report this "story"?
MY RESPONSE: Yes.
Stop believeing the FOX NEWS CHANNEL whenever it claims that the media is liberal-biased.
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
Veritas nihil veretur nisi abscondi.
Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.
No I rely on my own
No I rely on my own experiences with the media, to ask that question because I do believe there is bias on both sides but a little more with the liberal media.
jmcv02
There is no "liberal media,"
There is no "liberal media," in the sense that you, on the Right, mean it... at least not in the "mainstream" media. It's a myth that's been around seemingly forever; and propagated by the FOX NEWS CHANNNEL and others like it. Propagating a falsehood about that with which you cannot argue is the oldest trick in the book; and as Hitler well-taught Rupert Murdoch, repeating falsehoods enough times, and for long enough, makes it truth in the minds of the easy-to-fool... which is some 98% of the FOX NEWS CHANNEL's audience.
SEE: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3612
SEE: http://bit.ly/XLglu2
SEE: http://hvrd.me/10shk0S
SEE: http://bit.ly/U2AmG8
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Granted, there are individuals in the mainstream media who are further left than are others; but there's always balance, right there in the very same branch of media. Former NBC News, and current CBS News White House correspondent Norah O'Donnell, for example, is a card-carrying Republican... one who, I happen to know, got reigned-in a little during the conventions when CBS This Morning covered them. I knew she was to the Right, but I couldn't believe the disdain -- and that palable sneer of hers -- that she showed, on the air, for anything not purely Republican thinking; and I'm among those who complained that it was as disturbing to watch as when Hanna Storm all but spit on Michael Moore when she interviewed him on CBS This Morning's forerunner back in... I think it was 2003, or thereabouts; and since I know a producer, there, I know it was heard; and that she was talked to. She, I've long said, is probably trying to keep from incurring the kind of Republican criticism she received after her Palin and Gingrich remarks in 2008 and 2010, respectively. Thank goodness Charlie Rose is there for balance.
Only MS-NBC, among the mainstream media, comes pretty close, now, to being truly biased toward liberal/progressive thinking. In fact, I'll concede that it -- though only it, alone -- is basically pretty darned liberal/progressive (thankgod!). But if you talk to ANYONE there, you'll learn that it was the FOX NEWS CHANNEL -- the unambiguous propaganda arm of the Republican party -- that made those as MS-NBC feel like there had to be a counter-FOX NEWS CHANNEL alternative. And so MS-NBC's now-quite-liberal/progressive content was born and lauched.
SEE: http://bit.ly/TgQvqQ
Even then, though, one does not counter the other.
SEE: http://politi.co/S0i20L
The difference between them, though -- as is true about the difference between liberals/progressives and conservatives, just generally -- is that MS-NBC misstates (or even outright lies) something like one time per literally hundreds or even thousands of times that the FOX NEWS CHANNEL does the same.
SEE: http://mediamatters.org/research
So, then, whenever I read, see or hear someone like you talk about liberal media bias, it tells me, right there, without my having to read another word that such as you have to say, absolutely everything I need to know to respond.
There is no mainstream liberal media bias. Stop it.
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
Veritas nihil veretur nisi abscondi.
Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.
Sorry to disagree but its fox
Sorry to disagree but its fox on the right, and just about everyone else on the left. I don't even watch fox or any other news station for that matter because I got tired of all their political crap. I see all too often most stations but fox give the democrats a pass and fox goes the opposite way prob a little too far. At least Ive heard fox, dog on a republican and thats who they support.
jmcv02
Is there any source for this
Is there any source for this information besides the author of this article? Not that I doubt that Rove/Romney/Fox would do such a thing, but it's good to have evidence.
Also, the gentleman's name is NATE Silver, not NICK.
Interesting, and if we could
Interesting, and if we could verify the truth of this, Karl Rove and Mitt Romney should be brought up on charges of Treason and Sedition. And then of course hung by the neck until dead.
"How do you know so much about everything?'" was asked of a very wise and intelligent man; and the answer was "By never being afraid or ashamed to ask questions as to anything of which I was ignorant." - John Abbott (1821-1893)
Amen!!! why is Carl rove
Amen!!! why is Carl rove free???? he should be under the jail!!! democrats are so weak!!! why don't dems go after this guy??!!!!
For losing an election? And
For losing an election?
And it's not as if Ohio would have made any difference in the outcome.
This "article" is crap.
Ah, did you read the article?
Ah, did you read the article? No, not 'For losing an election'
For attempting to rig the election and disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of American voters. Hence the qualifier: 'IF this is true' referring to the article I was commenting on.
"How do you know so much about everything?'" was asked of a very wise and intelligent man; and the answer was "By never being afraid or ashamed to ask questions as to anything of which I was ignorant." - John Abbott (1821-1893)
Michael Z Williamson wrote:
Michael Z Williamson wrote: For losing an election?
MY RESPONSE: Of course not, Mr. Misdirection. For RIGGING one.
Of course, that assumes the article-in-chief is true...
...and I have my doubts.
It's interesting, though. I'll give it that!
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
Veritas nihil veretur nisi abscondi.
Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.