NORML Waste: Kicks Roger Christie While Down

i forgot something...

even if roger tries the whole freedom of religion to spoke pot routine, it wont hold water... the catholics give children wine as the blood of christ, but that's done only one day a week, during sacrament. openly smoking joints on the steps of the cannabis ministry any given day of the week, or receiving your "blessed pot" and smoking it where ever under the guise of holy sacrament doesn't count as part of an organized church, and i do emphasize the word ORGANIZED!

look people, here's the deal.

i was interning on a lettuce farm known as friendly aquaponics in hawaii, unlucky for me is was owned by 2 of the members of the green 14.

i was present for the 2nd and 3rd raid of their farm. i was there at first to intern, but because momma didnt raise no dummy i was put in charge of lettuce production and harvesting logistics after only 2 months on the job, guess im a fast learner.

what it boils do to with roger is this.

1. for all of you people pissing and moaning about how much time he's spent in jail without a conviction, stop it. what you're not being told in all of your liberal independent papers is that roger, and the other members of the green 14, have asked for a delay of trial at each and every court date. by my count this has happened 4 times. if roger would have manned up from the start, and gone to trial like he soooo openly says that he wants to, this trial could have started a year ago at the first trial dat, or in april at the 2nd, or in july at the 3rd, or in oct at the fourth given trial date. he has many many chances to bank in on his right to a speedy trial.

2. for those of you crying about him not getting bail. he was a repeat offender of federal laws with no signs of quitting his antics. they revoked his bond because of the simple fact that every time he was raided he went back to commercially selling pot.

3. for those of you kicking and screaming on the floor about him not being able to afford a proper lawyer because he's been in detainment for so long... well, if his job before getting arrested would have been a legal one, he could have put his house and all of his belongings into a liquidated assets fund and cashed in on them... but, since everything he had was attained through the cash flow provided in his illegal drug trade, the government confiscated it, which is well within the governments rights. oh, and i forgot to mention, if he couldnt afford the best lawyer possible, then how is it he fired the first guy and found a new one, all while being behind bars?

4. for those of you sobbing over 1st amendment rights to freedom of religion.... the freedom to practice religion is bound by united that federal law in such a way that if your religion requires you to break any of the federal laws, it is not eligible to become an actual religion. mayan, and native hawaiian religion would not be allowed to be practice due to the use of human sacrifice, a.k.a murder. those eastern religions that require women to follow 10ft behind their husbands or else get beat, that's not considered a religion either, but it is considered spousal abuse. hell, even mormonism is being brought into question for it's stance of polygamy... and those guys basically own an entire state!

5. and for those of you all up in arms about it "just being insignificant pot" and i swear to god that's how it's being publicized in some articles, the dude and his cronies were caught with over 5000 plants at one time. that's not even factoring in the amount of weight he had pushed previous to his arrest.

what it boils down to is this. even while behind bars roger christie is bending the weak minds of his followers by playing a mix and match game of constitutional amendments as to which ones he feels like following at any given time or best suit his needs. the liberal media would have you think that the united states federal government is dashing the rights of roger, but really, his elongated stay behind bars without a conviction is an act of his own doing. this is being done to confuse the general public to think that he is in fact in prison without conviction, which is unconstitutional, but.... and this is a big damn but, he is was only denied bail, and that means being forced to stay in jail until, and through the duration of his trial, again, the fact that he's been sitting in jail with a thumb in his butt having yet to go to trial is of his own doing.

so i suggest that everyone takes a step back, drops their doobies, and starts actually reading into things before they start spouting off their reiterated misinterpretations of the constitution, and stop repeating everything you hear or read through the liberal media... chances are they are reporting from a faulty premiss to begin with... which makes them barely credible at best...

i've fired off these key points on many other forums, mostly liberal papers that cant seem to get the story right, and have been booted from just about every single one because when the truth of the matter has come out through my finger tips, none of the hippies can form an actual rebuttal and all of my comments get deleted.

i hope you've enjoyed, and now i'll take a bow.

Hello Paul,

Too bad you didn’t contact me with your defense of Christie in advance of your public attack on NORML...

Your public attack on me at High Times for pointing out the victims of Roger’s ‘ministry’ and his obviously misleading legal ‘advice’ is regrettable...especially coming from someone like yourself with such a well-known and documented ‘checkered’ history in this movement (ie, this past year you bounced numerous checks at NORML...how would you like NORML to promote that in the courts, online and in the cannabis law reform community?...or Bruce McKinney’s terrible experience with you?...or....there are so many others that will line up against you in OR/WA/CA/MI/CO for their bad experiences with you...well, you get the picture).

We have a file here in NORML’s archives longer than my arm documenting and complaining about you and your many ‘reform’ schemes...going back to the 1980s.

Speaking of files...how would you like a movement spotlight on the fact that you don’t really operate a ‘Foundation’...and that the IRS has publicly rebuked you by revoking THCF’s non-profit status?

http://blog.charitynavigator.org/2010/03/from-time-to-time-irs-does-revoke.html

I can live with criticizing an infamous ganja grifter and helping his abandoned (and naïve) victims, can you live with people knowing about you and your ‘checkered’ past? (Paul, since you claim to care so much about THC Ministry/Roger, should NORML refer his $250 ‘religious defense kit’ victims to you after their checks were cashed by the ‘THC Ministry’ and they get busted and or/sentenced to prison? Will you help them and their claims of ‘religious need’ for cannabis or do you only care about publicly defending Roger’s greed, legal delusions and self-absorption out in la-la land Hawaii?)

-Allen
NORML
NORML

First off, unless you have been on the "inside', you have no idea what you are talking about. I’ve had my share of ‘personal’ time and experiences behind the scenes of “Christieland” to have learned Roger is an opportunistic PREDATOR masquerading as “Minister”, pimping out cannabis females at the highest bidder. Christie maintained a lifestyle on crime , but lacquered in a thin veneer of respectable professionalism and knowledge. His sociopathic personality has an influence that can distort your judgment and perceptions giving an illusion of false security, all the while vampiring your generosity, risking your finances, personal property and other assets Roger deems useful for his ultimate “service to self” agenda….and all with a big, “God that’s great for Me, Me, ME” smile!

Roger has conned and exploited an apparently very naive and gullable Hilo community for decades, especially the female population. Wake up SHEEPLE and smell the bullshit! You have been hoodwinked by a ‘Grade B’ actor.

Christie is an arrogant, delusional false prophet. He once told me the only reason he got into cannabis activism was because he could get alot of women!!.. His mother would pay off the girls who came crying to her because Roger "borrowed" their money and would not pay them back.....Has Roger said he is sorry to his "current" girlfriend or any of the "CREAMED 14 for the mess he has gotten them in??? NO, he is too self absorbed to care!!!

The fact that due process of law was suspended says it all, huh?

As for the nonsensical, factually-inaccurate, anonymous rant against Roger posted here -- simply read the NIDA report posted on the THC Ministry website to see what the effect of limiting marijuana availability is -- a hard drug epidemic.

Blest rushes,

Paul von Hartmann
California Cannabis Ministry

"Freedom to farm "every herb bearing seed" is the first test of religious freedom."

"It takes a 'head to get ahead."

Paul,
I couldn't agree with you more!

It is dismaying that NORML would choose to focus limited time and resources denigrating its own community and creating schisms instead of building a viable coalition for political change.

Norml should be acting as a unifying body and not one causing dissent. When Norml becomes the latter they become a redundancy that the cannabis movement can no longer afford.

Fact is, Roger Christie was scaling up handouts of free pot to minors and homeless mentally ill, among others, and that fueled a gang war over downtown Hilo turf. See news reports from early February 2010. Assaults, thefts, and muggings were on the rise and people were afraid to go downtown or walk around alone. Almost anyone with enough cash could buy high grade marijuana at the bayfront Ministry, no questions asked. The Feds first raided there in March 2010 after numerous complaints from neighbors and local merchants to law enforcement officials. Roger Christie may be nonviolent but he is certainly deranged. He has proven that he is a criminally irresponsible practitioner of his own self-proclaimed religion. He is a real danger to the community and a serious threat to the local economy. Marijuana is poison not panacea. The Green 14 are felons not heroes. The justice system will find them guilty.