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New Day Dawning for Gun Violence Prevention

Opinion by Brady Campaign
(January 21, 2009) in Society / Guns
By Paul Helmke, Brady Campaign president

Last year at this time, I said that America was turning a corner on the gun issue, and the watershed events of 2008 confirmed that prediction.

The past year brought fundamental change to the way we understand and talk about gun violence prevention.  The year also offered hope for the future, as the Brady Campaign endorsed – and our grassroots activists helped elect – Barack Obama as President of the United States, along with many other new officeholders who support taking steps to reduce gun violence.

Looking ahead to 2009, we are optimistic about making significant progress in our fight for common sense gun laws to help make our families and communities safer.

Reducing the toll of 100,000 Americans killed or wounded every year by gunfire – including 20,000 children and teens – is a concern of many of these new and returning officeholders. For the first time in decades, there is reason to hope that we can end the polarization in our politics that has kept us from enacting laws to reduce that terrible statistic, while also respecting Second Amendment rights as defined by the Supreme Court last summer.

President-elect Obama's statements were consistent – to gun owners, gun violence victims, and to all Americans – that he would uphold the Second Amendment and support common sense gun control laws that help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people.  We have no doubt that he will keep his promise.  As then-Senator Obama said while accepting the Democratic nomination for President in Denver:

The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than they are for those plagued by gang violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals.

Looking back at 2008, the year began on a positive note on January 8 with President George W. Bush signing the first major new gun control law in a decade: the NICS Improvement Act. Passage of the Act was aided by the powerful testimony of families and survivors of the Virginia Tech massacre, as well as the persistent determination of members of Congress such as Representative Carolyn McCarthy and Senator Charles Schumer. This new law helps close a loophole in the Brady criminal background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech killer to buy the semi-automatic handguns he used in the worst mass shooting in modern American history.

While a few states have taken the lead to provide more records of prohibited purchasers to the Brady background check system since last January, too many states have not. Out of an estimated 2.6 million records of the dangerously mentally ill in this country, less than 20 percent have been provided to the Brady background check system so far. The 2009 legislative session offers states a new opportunity to do their part and make sure that dangerous people don't pass a Brady background check because of incomplete information, as the Virginia Tech killer did.

Last year's 110th session of Congress also bears some responsibility for this shortfall in records. Rather than appropriate funds for the NICS Improvement Act to help states forward more records of dangerous people to the system, Congress spent more time on second-guessing the gun ordinances of a local government instead. The Brady Campaign's U.S. Senate allies, however, successfully blocked efforts by some members of Congress to act as a super-City Council for the people of the District of Columbia.

In the spring of 2008, the nation marked the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech massacre. On April 16, the Brady Campaign joined surviving victims and families of those killed in that terrible shooting – as well as activists from ProtestEasyGuns.com (a grassroots anti-gun violence organization founded by Abigail Spangler) – to observe the day. Events were held in over 100 cities and towns across the country in public squares, college campuses and even in front of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia on the evening of a debate between Senator Hillary Clinton and then-Senator Obama.

Activists gathered in groups of about 32 people, wore maroon and orange ribbons (Virginia Tech's colors) and rested on the ground in silent protest of the nation's weak gun laws, calling on their elected officials to close the gun show loophole. It was an amazing outpouring of grassroots support for stronger, common sense gun laws.

Powerful as that occasion was, an even more significant event for gun violence prevention advocates came in June when the U.S. Supreme Court decided the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.  This landmark opinion fundamentally changed the way most people should now think and talk about the gun control issue – though not in the way many observers expected.  It must be said, however, that two weeks before the opinion was handed down, the Brady Campaign correctly predicted the outcome of the Heller decision and what that would mean, as events in the Autumn would soon confirm.

While we opposed the Court's decision to overrule 70 years of precedent and over 200 years of Second Amendment history, gun violence prevention advocates praised Section III of Justice Antonin Scalia's decision to find a wide variety of gun control regulations "presumptively lawful" under the Constitution. Such laws include restrictions against carrying concealed weapons, laws against gun possession by felons and the mentally ill, laws against taking guns into "sensitive places" such as schools and government buildings, and laws that restrict "dangerous and unusual" weapons. Indeed, Justice Scalia stated that his list of "presumptively lawful" regulations comprised only examples, and was "not exhaustive."

The fundamental outcome of the Heller decision is that the Supreme Court made it clear that gun violence prevention efforts and the Second Amendment are compatible. The practical effect of this approach is that it takes the extremes of the gun debate off the table. On one hand, total gun bans aren't even a theoretical option anymore – a result that doesn't affect our work because the Brady Campaign doesn't favor such a policy. On the other hand, the preference of some in the gun lobby for any gun, any place, at any time, with few or no restrictions, is also off the table – a result that ironically leaves the National Rifle Association's leadership in a political box.

Why?  After Heller, there is clearly a right to own a gun for self-defense in the home, while guns may still be regulated by our elected officials in order to protect public safety.  Since the Supreme Court has affirmed the Constitutional right to own a gun while also affirming most restrictions on guns as "presumptively lawful," the doomsday scenarios advanced by the gun lobby of a slippery-slope to total gun confiscation are totally make-believe. The reality is that the Supreme Court's middle ground position is exactly where the American people are, and it has helped push the gun debate away from squabbling about 200-year-old history into practical discussions about how to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people today.

For example, a June 2008 CNN poll found that while 67% of Americans believe the Second Amendment guarantees each person the right to own a gun, 79% of Americans favor requiring gun owners to register their guns with the local government.  That result tracks with polling of Election 2008 voters on behalf of the Brady Campaign by the Washington, DC public opinion firm Penn, Schoen & Berland.  Voters in November supported common sense gun laws across partisan and ideological lines, and in all regions of the country. 83% of voters supported criminal background checks for all gun sales; 68% favored both gun registration and licensing; 65% favored banning military-style assault weapons; and 65% of voters favored requiring a five-day waiting period before purchasing a firearm. As Penn, Schoen & Berland concluded, "…sensible gun legislation provides a unique opportunity for the [Obama] Administration to build a bridge to moderate voters in both parties."

For these reasons, Election 2008 showed that winning the most significant Second Amendment case in American history actually makes it harder for the NRA bosses to terrify voters once again into believing that elected officials will somehow "take their guns away."  Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox promised to spend $40 million in the election telling voters that Barack Obama was going to be "the most anti-gun President in American history" because he favored common sense gun policies. Most voters rejected the NRA's campaign as ridiculous, however, and instead listened to their own common sense, voting their hopes instead of their fears.

The National Rifle Association leadership took crushing losses on Election Day as a result.  President-elect Obama defeated NRA-endorsed Senator John McCain in states from North Carolina to Nevada, New Hampshire to New Mexico, and dozens in between. President-elect Obama won 365 Electoral Votes, carrying my home state of Indiana – and even the NRA's home state of Virginia – for the first time any Democrat for president carried either state since Lyndon Johnson.  NRA candidates lost not only the White House, but also eight competitive U.S. senate races – including New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oregon and very likely Minnesota – as well as over 20 competitive U.S. House races. No wonder the National Journal magazine rated the National Rifle Association among the "Bottom Five" least effective interest groups in the 2008 elections.

One of the reasons we won and the NRA bosses lost was because they were stuck in the old politics of division, portraying the gun issue as a false choice between the U.S. Constitution and gun violence prevention.  Since the Supreme Court's landmark decision last June, however, it is clear that we can have both in this country.   So today, with less than two weeks before President-elect Obama is inaugurated as America's 44th President, where does the gun violence prevention movement stand?

I believe our movement is in a stronger position to pass life-saving gun laws in 2009 and beyond, than at any time in decades.  With Vice President-elect Joe Biden, White House Chief of Staff-designate Rahm Emmanuel, Attorney General-designate Eric Holder, Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Homeland Security-designate Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Education-designate Arne Duncan, Secretary of Labor-designate Hilda Solis and other key Administration officials, gun violence prevention advocates are likely to have many friends in the Executive Branch of the Federal government for the first time in a long while.  What's more, with over 10 new members of Congress endorsed by the Brady Campaign having just taken the oath of office, advocates can build on the successes of 2008 by working to create new problem-solving coalitions in 2009.

Make no mistake, however, there is much work to do.  There are only a handful of national gun control laws on the books today, and even those have loopholes. To help keep guns away from dangerous people:

  • We need to require Brady criminal background checks for all gun sales in this country, including at gun shows.
  • We need to restrict access to military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.
  • We need to limit bulk sales of handguns to cut illegal gun trafficking.
  • We need to crack down on the 1.2% of corrupt gun dealers who account for almost 60% of crime guns in America.
  • We need to give law enforcement agencies like the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) the funding and staff they need to disrupt the illegal gun trade.

It really is a new day for the gun violence prevention movement in America.  Yet if we are to build on the successes of 2008 and take advantage of the many new opportunities ahead in 2009, we will need your help.

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  • saga
    False hope

    You cannot regulate the criminal element. All mentally disturbed people have not been medically treated.

    Ted Bundy – law student who raped and murdered more than 35 women in six states

    Jeffrey Dahmer – Milwaukee, Wisconsin cannibal who kept heads, skulls and body parts in his apartment for sexual gratification; convicted of 15 murders, but believed responsible for at least two others

    Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer did not use guns to commit their murders but they would probably pass the background check.

    No one can regulate us out of being murdered by crazies or criminals.

    So don't get your hopes up.

    - sagaUS January 21, 2009 8:24PM

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    • fsilber
      Same old day from 1992 dawned again

      We will never be able to restrict guns more than marijuana or crack cocaine, so that tells you the limit of our ability to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. (If we _could_ restrict the availability of illegal guns, the worst criminals would go into business assassinating cops and selling their guns on the black market to other criminals.)

      What would reduce _gun_ violence is a significant lessening of penalties for people who commit their murders using alternate weapons that we prefer they use.

      The complete extermination of street gang membership would greatly reduce the problem, but we're not Nazis so we can reject that option out of hand. Perhaps we can slow the breeding of new criminals by implanting birth control devices into released criminals, to be removed when their parole is complete.

      In 1992 Democratic President Bill Clinton had a Democratic Congress and Senate to achieve his agenda; but he listened to Paul Helmke and wasted his political capital on gun control. That's why we had 12 years of a Republican Congress, and 8 years of President G. W. Bush. Will Democrats make the same mistake again -- while the nation is facing so many problems?

      - fsilberUS January 22, 2009 9:33AM

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  • pops1911
    Why prosecute the law-abiding?

    “Reducing the toll of 100,000 Americans killed or wounded every year by gunfire – including 20,000 children and teens....“ --- Only if you include twisted statistics such as the grouping of 18-21 year old 'druggies' & 'gang-bangers' in your statistics! The real number is about 6 child deaths! Not that any are good, but the decrease has been brought about by education & safety training by gun owners, not by bigots who twist facts to scare the uninformed.

    “President-elect Obama's statements were consistent …..“ --- Only if you did not listen in various parts of the country. He said one thing to one group & another diametrically opposed thing to another group as a typical politician. He never stated his real agenda of total gun control. During his limited political career, he constantly took a stance on squashing gun rights in any form and has never recanted!

    “…..the NICS Improvement Act.” --- This bill only made NICS uniform across all boundaries. It does nothing to stop criminals from purchasing or stealing guns. It does nothing to help law enforcement be in all places at once to protect citizens (nothing can – they do a great job under impossible conditions & then are taken to task by the media for doing their job!!!!). The truth is if guns were allowed on campuses by trained students & faculty, there would be no more 'Virginia Techs' & that massacre would never have occurred. Gun Free Zones are an open invitation to killers. Do you ever see that happening to a police station or a gun range or on military bases? No!

    “...Heller...gun violence prevention advocates praised...” --- The Brady Campaign & other gun control advocates had no choice but to claim victory since their briefs to the court were called BS by the Supreme Court & were all but thrown out as ludicrous. The reason for the reference to the existing gun control laws being called 'presumptively awful' is the Heller case had nothing to do with those laws. The Supreme Court must limit the scope of their rulings to the case at hand and extraneous subjects handled separately.

    "…sensible gun legislation...” --- Does not mean gun bans of any type. This is hype put forth by the Brady Campaign & others to slowly ban all guns. Full automatic weapons have been restricted for years (ever since Hollywood immortalized Capone, et al). The Clinton AWB restricted most modern guns & the proposed 'improved' AWB will restrict essentially any modern gun no matter what. The Constitution clearly prevents that.

    “...2008 election...we won and the NRA bosses lost...” –- The Brady Campaign & other gun groups did not win & the NRA did not loose – where did this come from; more twisting of the facts. I don't remember either candidate at any time say “I favor guns” or “I oppose guns” In fact the issue was purposely danced around so as not to inflame either side .of the issue. The manipulated economy was the only issue. That over-shadowed any other topic. The better politician won because he was charismatic (good speech writer!), not because he was & always will be the anti-gun candidate.

    “...only a handful of national gun control laws...” --- There are over 200000 gun control laws on the books today across the country & with others requested by the Brady Campaign et al, it is obvious they do not work. All gun control laws should be repealed en mass at all levels of government & all the monies spent on poor legislation like this should be funneled into local law enforcement. This would provide operating capital to prevent crime & enforce existing criminal law as well as prosecution of the guilty instead of plea-bargaining criminals to a token offense & releasing them so they can become repeat offenders.

    The misguided Brady Campaign et al should become the Campaign for Criminal Reform And Punishment & be abbreviated more appropriately.

    - pops1911US January 22, 2009 8:44AM

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  • robscottw
    The British lost their "right" to arms - so can we

    Despite what Helmke claims, the Brady Bunch still hopes to effectively destroy the Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

    Oh, yes, they'll pay lip service to Heller, all the while erecting bigger and bigger barriers to gun ownership - full of little technical details that if you run afoul of will land in in Federal prison and make you a "prohibited" person for life. Just look up HR 45. Have a gun stolen and fail to report it quick enough, fail to notifiy the gov't that you've moved - you guessed it, now you are a Federal felon spending 5 years behind bars.

    Of course, the Brady Bunch, Holder, and Obama too, think that "assault weapons" (whatever those are!) can be banned - no pesky 2nd Amendment stands in the way of that.

    Of course they're going to want "safe storage" laws, registration, and licensing (see HR 45) and rules that allow the police to come into your home at ANY time to "inspect" your guns to make sure you're abiding by the RULES.

    So, get ready to follow England down the "slippery slope" to losing the right to arms - and therefor the right to self-defense.

    Take a look at the gun crime rate in England now that guns are virtually banned from private possession. It is skyrocketing. Thats what Helmke will give you. A society that is safe for crminals.


    - robscottw January 22, 2009 9:07AM

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  • Trailboss60
    Mr Helmke needs to be honest with the public....

    The "gun show loophole" is a thinly disguised attempt to force law abiding citizens to register all of the guns that have been passed down to family members through the years, thereby paving the way for gun confiscation by the government when it becomes possible.

    "Military assault style weapons and high cap magazines" is another scare tactic.
    A military style weapon can be characterized as a puny .22 rifle with a pistol grip, whereas a large caliber deer rifle without one is considered acceptable {at least for now}. "Assault weapons" are rarely used in the commission of crimes, and when they are, it is done by criminals, not law abiding gun owners that own the huge majority of the AR, AK etc... platforms.
    High cap magazines are another lie, they are actually regular capacity, and anyone that has ever shot a handgun or rifle using magazines, knows that it only takes a second to switch them out.


    Limiting the sales of handguns to people that have never broken the law? How about limiting the sale of alcohol to politicians that drive off bridges and leave their victims behind in a watery grave?

    Corrupt gun dealers: The BATF is a government entity that already has this responsibility {and they do}, another scare tactic Mr. Helmke.

    The BATF already has the funding and authority they need...maybe incarcerating felons longer would be a better hobby for Mr. Helmke to pursue, and he could actually be providing a public service. How many times do we read a story where a perp has a long felony record, but he is on the streets terrorizing people.


    Mr. Helmke's solutions would leave the law abiding disarmed public, at the mercy of armed felons that prey upon their victims at will. Mr Helmke and his ilk are hell bent on eventual gun confiscation that is preceded by incremental changes that will only affect the law abiding citizenry. Meanwhile Mr. Helmke and his political friends can enjoy armed security details that are paid for by the taxpayer that they want to disarm......

    Here in Arizona, we have fairly liberal gun laws, and the crime is a fraction of the cities that are controlled by anti-gun political fanatics. Chicago, New York, Detroit, etc....States that have liberal concealed carry laws have citizens that statistically speaking are by far the most law abiding when it comes to gun violence.


    Facts are stubborn things, but the spirit of Goebbels is alive and well in Bradydom...



    - Trailboss60US January 22, 2009 9:35AM

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    • StarKing
      Helmke facts

      You're certainly right about facts. Unfortunately, one of those stubborn facts is that Paul Helmke doesn't have an honest bone in his body.

      - StarKingUS January 22, 2009 7:10PM

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  • AJ Dual
    It's all been tried before...

    - Require "all" sales to go through NICS? Criminals would just ignore it. And there is no difference between private sales at gun-shows, or any other time or place. States that do require all sales to go through an FFL have seen no noticeable change in gun crime.

    - Restrict military-styling? That's purely cosmetics, in reality it's an attempt to legislate the feelings of those who'd own those rifles, which is a frightening and Orwelian step in the direction of creating "Thought Crime". A wooden stocked Ruger Mini-14 is just as deadly as an AR-15. So is a .223 bolt-gun, maybe even more so because it would force a criminal to aim carefully instead of instinctively point shoot and try to spray the area. The infamous North Hollywood bank robbers had completely illegal full-auto weapons, and they didn't manage to kill anyone, except themselves.

    - Bulk sales of handguns/firearms is already illegal in many states, and again, they've demonstrated no noticeable impact on the gun crime rate. And multiple sales are already reported to the ATF by law.

    - the 1.2% of "corrupt" gun dealers are already under a HUGE amount of ATF scrutiny. If they truly were "corrupt" they'd be shut down and prosecuted. They just happen to have the bad luck of being the only store in the proper demographic area. The #1 crime-trace store of origin in the entire U.S. is right here by me, just outside Milwaukee, and they're still in business because they bend over backward to follow the law.

    - I have no problem with the ATF expanding the fight against the illegal gun trade. In fact, I welcome it. Perhaps they'd spend less time trying to run legitimate gun dealers out of business on petty paperwork violations, such as using a two letter postal abbreviation for the state, such as "CA", "IL", or "WI" instead of "California", "Illinois", and "Wisconsin".

    The real solution to the "Gun violence problem" in America is tackling the very sticky issues of class, race, culture, drugs, illegal immigration, and economics, and it always has been. There's a reason that the suburbs armed to the teeth, with all the hunters and gun collectors has very little crime, but a handful of cheap handguns wreak devastation in the inner city. And the same is true world wide. There is no correlation between the murder rate, and gun laws, and gun ownership nation by nation either. Anti-gun advocates love to point to places in Europe or Japan as examples, yet ignore Mexico, Brazil, and Russia, which all have much tougher gun control, and astronomical murder rates.

    - AJ DualUS January 22, 2009 9:57AM

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  • Leif Rakur
    Helmke has the right approach

    To “insure domestic tranquility,” a goal of our Constitution as stated in its preamble, we need to enact and enforce legislation to keep arms out of the hands of the irresponsible.

    - Leif RakurUS January 22, 2009 2:56PM

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    • Marty
      Helmke has the WRONG approach

      Leif Rakur says that" we need to enact and enforce legislation to keep arms out of the hands of the irresponsible." Few would argue with this, but violent criminals have very little problem finding ways around such legislation. This has been proven time and again over the last 40 years with more than 20,000 useless gun laws. These laws only disarm their victims.
      Marty

      - MartyUS January 22, 2009 3:57PM

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    • ianto94
      Helmke doesn't want to keep guns from the irresponsible

      He wants to keep guns out of everyone's hands. Why else would The Brady Bunch support DC's total ban on hand guns and total ban on use of a firearm for self protection in the home. Helmke and the Brady Bunch are just plain dishonest. They want to ban all guns for everyone but law enforcement. They just know they cannot get away with it now given the Heller case.

      - ianto94US January 22, 2009 7:20PM

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    • HankR
      Helmke's police state is the WRONG approach

      He is hoping to build a police state. He wants to keep self defense weapons out of the "wrong hands". In his world view, the "right hands" are the police and the military. That is the textbook definition of a police state -- only the police have power/guns.

      Look at the recent KNIFE violence in Belgium and Virginia. Shortly before April 16th Helmke and his ilk disarmed the law abiding citizens at Virginia Tech. Guess what? The bad guys disobeyed the law and bad things happened. Earlier this week a bad guy used a knife in this same unarmed victim zone to saw off a lady's head. The witnesses called for police (with guns) to come, but they didn't come in time. The witnesses themselves had been disarmed by Helmke (and others like him) and were unable to help on their own.

      When seconds count, the police are just minutes away,

      - HankRUS January 23, 2009 8:50AM

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  • LawAbidingCitizen
    Determined to Start a new revolution

    It is my opinion that the brady campaign is determined to start a new revolution, by forcing the 80,000,000+ law abiding gun owners to protect their rights to keep and bear arms. This must be their plan since obviously criminals do not abide by any laws currently in force, hence any new law they help get pushed through, will also have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the criminals, only on the law abiding gun owners. American gun owners know this, and they are tired of having their rights trampled. Law abiding gun owners in the USA have had it with the lies that the brady campaign repeatedly tells to help get their laws passed. Law abiding gun owners didn't vote for Obama for him to turn around and thank them by trashing their rights, and if he does I guarantee you that it will cost him re-election. The brady campaign wont admit it but it is a fact that there are millions of people in this country who are licensed to carry a concealed handgun, and everywhere that laws have been passed allowing this, the violent crime rate has DROPPED, not increased as they would have everybody believe. If the brady campaign was interested in reducing gun violence in this country, instead of hassling law abiding gun owners, they would be gong after tougher laws for the criminals who are perpetrating the gun violence against unarmed victims. There are stories everyday in this country where the criminals have been stopped by law abiding gun owners, many times by individuals who are licensed to carry concealed handguns, because we are there ready to defend ourselves and other people around us too. Police cannot protect you, they only show up after you have been victimized or killed, to clean up the mess and write a report. The brady campaign should change their slogan to "The Criminal's Voice in the legislature". Criminals are all for gun control because the more people who are disarmed, means the lesser the chance that they will be stopped. Criminals avoid victimizing people who can defend themselves or may actually hurt or kill their attacker. Another thing that is caused by ridiculous gun laws, that the brady campaign calls "sensible gun laws", is it turns law abiding citizens into criminals, because they refuse to abide by these ridiculous laws, and become victims, as the brady campaign desires. If they are going to continue to pass ridiculous gun laws, then they better get to building a whole bunch of prisons because there is a huge group of gun owners in this country that are going to refuse to abide by these laws, and will need a place to stay as they arrested for breaking them. Meanwhile the gun violence will continue unabated and increase as more unarmed victims become prey.

    - LawAbidingCitizenUS January 22, 2009 4:58PM

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  • twizneski
    It's not about Gun Control

    It's about control.
    It's not about Gun Rights.
    It's about rights.

    - twizneskiUS January 23, 2009 12:18AM

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  • Dutchman6
    "New Day Dawning"? You have NO idea.

    Pass an new ban on semi-automatic rifles of the sort you envision and have stated publicly that should ban several classes of heretofore legal weapons, and watch what happens.

    Pass another law authorizing the federal seizure of total control over ALL private transfers of arms (the deliberately misnamed lie called the "gun show loophole"), and watch what happens.

    "The time has come, the walrus said to talk of many things," like armed civil disobedience to the collectivist pukes such as Helmke who wish to seize more of our traditional, natural and God-given liberty and property rights.

    For 75 years we've been pushed back from the free exercise of our right to arms. Each time, we went, grumbling. This time, Helmke, we will NOT back up. This time you will have to come and get us. This time, we will fight.

    In the interim between the last time you felt this cocky, the election of Bill Clinton, and now, two things have happened -- Waco and Bill Clinton's adoption of rules of engagement for the Serbians that made the politicians, media and ideological support structure of the Milosevic regime legitimate targets of war. We have studied both. So should you, before you take this nation to the brink of civil war.

    Be careful what you wish for, Helmke, you (and we) may get it.

    Mike Vanderboegh
    Pinson, AL
    sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com

    - Dutchman6US January 23, 2009 4:02AM

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  • Machew
    Does the Brady Campaign really believe its own studies and reports?

    The research by PSBResearch needs to be addressed:
    First of all, the only sampled 200 people. I'm no Statistician, but I recall that a minimum of 1200-1500 people need to be polled in order for the margin of error to be acceptable ( > .05). Also, there is no way of knowing who was sampled. We do know that half of the people polled were from "New Blue States" (which consists of only 8 states). I doubt anyone from Texas, Wyoming or Montana were polled. An interesting question that PSBResearch should have included is "Do you feel you have a good understanding of firearms." I would bet the majority would answer 'no'. Anyone who is educated about firearms understands that Helmke's plan would not stop crime. Why would an Assault weapons ban work THIS TIME, when it failed under Clinton. Even if it did work, “Assault weapons” are used in less than 1% of violent crime. My last beef with PSBResearch is that it is a business entity designed "to give our clients the strategic insights they need to beat the competition." The quote was taken directly from their website...in other words, if you pay them, they'll come up with whatever you want them too.
    I understand some "common sense" gun laws, but I don't think the Brady Campaign does. If they truly wanted only 'common sense' gun laws (and support gun rights as they claim), you think out of the 20,000 laws on the books, and of the thousands more that have been proposed, they would have stood out against at least ONE. The fact remains that if it restricts gun ownership, they are for it. It could be a law that states "any person whom has received a parking ticket shall not own any gun made prior to 1832. Nor shall said person purchase any firearm on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and/or the same day of the week in which he received said parking violation" and they would support it for "the safety of our nation."
    If the Brady Campaign truly had a leg to stand on, they would use true experiments that could be peer reviewed showing the dangers of firearms. The fact is all of those studies favor gun ownership. In stead, the have to manipulate facts, rely on anecdotal or case evidence to scare others into thinking only more laws will prevent violence and murder (which I thought were already illegal.) Only the uninformed can take away gun rights thinking they are protecting the public.

    - MachewUS January 23, 2009 4:39AM

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  • Offeror
    Helmke Is Twisted

    Helmke desperately needs to believe the climate has changed because his tenure with the Brady Bunch has so far been ignominious and flaccid in the extreme.

    He couldn't be more wrong about everything. In the first place, the Second Amendment is going to be in the hands of the Supreme Court for years now, and if liberals want to keep propping up unconstitutional legislation the NRA (a grass roots group of 3 to 4 million Americans, not a handful of "bosses") is going to keep taking these anti-Bill-of-Rights regulations to the Court to be ruled moot.

    The trouble with people like Helmke is that they always claim to want "common sense" laws to "keep guns away from dangerous people" as he says above. The infamous "wrong hands."

    But they continually write bills to take guns away from EVERYONE -- and that is NEVER going to pass muster with the Bill of Rights, because ALL Americans DO NOT have "the wrong hands."

    Shortly before the Obama election, the ball was kicked into the Supreme Court's laps, and thank God for that favor, because it's clear that the Heller decision will get further definition and it's just as clear that that further clarity will not favor anti-Bill-of-Rights seditionists who want to perpetrate their dangerous "America as it SHOULD be" nonsense against our nation's long-cherished gun rights.

    Helmke only wished the NRA was a handful of CEOs, like the oil, bank and auto lobbies. The NRA is an organization of millions of Americans who expect the leadership to do whatever is necessary to defend Article II, which by the way rubs shoulders with its equal, the First Amendment.

    Until Helmke is willing to grant that freedom of speech, expression and assembly should be controlled in "common sense" ways, he'll never get why he can't infringe rights that clearly state they must not be infringed.

    Helmke's just another delusional leftist who can't stand an America whose core values affirm and guarantee its people's continued natural, inalienable, uninfringeable right to the arms of their choice. As Scalia put it in the Heller decision, just because we now use M-16s doesn't mean anyone, particularly the Supreme Court, may infringe, let alone cancel, Americans' fundamental, individual, constitutional right to keep & bear arms.

    - OfferorUS January 23, 2009 11:07AM

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  • Dobie
    Delusional

    The Paul Helmkes and Sarah Bradys are completely delusional, or lying. You are 53 times more likely to die in an automobile accident that from a firearm ( www.gunfacts.info ). You're twice as likely to die from a fall on stairs. If saving lives REALLY is THE issue, why not go for the most bang for the buck?

    With that said, gun control has been forced on the citizens of various countries for years. Just in the last century, MILLIONS were killed by their governments ( http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm #chart) after various gun control schemes were enacted.

    Peace, Through Superior Firepower

    - DobieUS January 23, 2009 8:49PM

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  • Kevin3824
    Second ammendment

    Well I think that Obama has his work cut out for him with other things for a while anyhow.

    However the second amendment says that all citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. It does not exclude people not of sound mind or perfect background. The Heller case pointed out it was an individual right not that of a militia.

    I would have no issues with him increasing penalties of criminals that use firearms to commit crimes to be more sever then someone committing a crime without using a gun. I do not think that most criminals will go through legal channels to purchase guns anyhow so placing any restrictions on the purchase of guns is actually counter productive to the citizen who wishes to be able to protect themselves from the criminals. Besides If a person commits a crime that holds a possible penalty of over 2 years which includes many misdemeanors current federal law will not allow them to own a gun and that turns into a lifelong loss of their civil rights.

    Personally I think that concealed carry permits should be required to be honored by all states and provinces just like drivers licenses are currently.

    As far as "assault weapons" go it seems to me that most people do not even know how to define the term. In most cases they do not know the difference between semi automatic and automatic. I would like to point out that there are several weapons that are being targeted as assault weapons among them the AR15 and AK47 which are currently available in many states that do not support the assault weapons ban. However these are not fully automatic weapons being purchased they are semi automatic versions of the firearms. In order to own or possess a fully automatic weapon in this country you need to be a Federal Firearms Dealer but also have a class 3 tax stamp as well.



    - Kevin3824US January 24, 2009 10:26AM

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