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Unfocused "Occupy Wall Street" Protesters Make List of Demands

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By Ryan Young

Until recently, I haven’t been paying much mind to the Occupy Wall Street protests. They’re a lot like Tea Party protesters. They’re upset with the status quo, and are being quite vocal about it. But — also like the Tea Partiers — they lack a unified voice. What do they want?

That incoherence was partially solved when one activist posted a list of thirteen demands on OccupyWallSt.com. It doesn’t stand for the whole movement, obviously. Some protesters are focused on different issues than the ones he chose. But it’s reasonable to assume that most of the protesters would agree with most of his demands.

From an economist’s perspective, the demands are both fascinating and disheartening. Fascinating because people who haven’t studied economics believe some really strange things; disheartening because many of the policies would hurt the very people they’re meant to help. Intentions are not results.

Let’s take a quick look at each of the demands. I have left his grammatical errors intact:

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

He’s being far too moderate here. Take as true that importing goods across international borders kills jobs. Well, as a matter of logic, importing goods across state borders is no different. Oregonians should be forbidden from importing goods from Californians. Inter-city free trade has the same harmful effects. Consistency demands banning that, too. Even inter-household trade kills jobs under this line of thought.

If the protesters arbitrarily draw the line at the national level, then there is an inconsistency in their thought. And economists from the left and the right have been openly poking fun at that inconsistency for over 200 years.

And why only a $20 minimum wage? Think big. If Congress can raise living standards simply by mandating higher wages, why not $200 per hour? Why not $2,000 per hour?

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Because monopolies work so well.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

This isn’t worded clearly. Does this mean a $20 minimum wage for all workers, as in Demand One? Or does it mean giving unemployment benefits equivalent to a living wage, however defined? If it’s the second case, it’s pretty easy to see that fewer people would choose to work if this demand was met. As any economist will tell you, incentives matter.

Demand four: Free college education.

This should be re-worded as “Demand Four: The poor and uneducated must give money to the rich and educated.” This just sounds like the protesters, many of them students, don’t want to pay their tuition and their student loans (see also Demand Eleven).

This demand is fundamentally unprogressive. Wealth redistribution from rich to poor is one thing. But asking the poor to subsidize the rich strikes this writer as morally wrong.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

This day will come. I look forward to it. Progress is a beautiful thing to behold. But these kinds of transitions can only happen from the bottom up. He is demanding that it be top-down, which is the same thing as demanding that it never happen at all. Top-down is how Solyndra happened. Top-down is how ethanol happened.

Top-down is also an open invitation to the exact kind of cronyism that the Occupy Wall Street crowd – and this writer – despise. Again, think results, not intentions. The best way to achieve this policy goal is to make entrepreneurship and innovation easier. It’s a bottom-up world. Policies must acknowledge that if they are to succeed.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

He must be unfamiliar with the data. Government infrastructure spending is about 2.5 percent of GDP right now. That’s the highest it’s been since the 1950s, when the interstate highway system was being built. And today’s 2.5 percent is sliced from a pie that’s nearly 7 times larger in real terms. That puts current spending on par with about 17 percent of 1950 GDP. That is hardly austere.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

More unfamiliarity with the data. The EPA’s budget is currently a little over $10 billion. He demands a century’s worth of EPA spending over what one assumes is a period of years, not decades. That’s a lot of money that we don’t have.

Meanwhile, forest acreage today is roughly what it was a hundred years ago, despite U.S.population growing four-fold. And getting rid of dams and nuclear power plants means using more coal and natural gas. That’s what economists call a tradeoff. And that tradeoff directly contradicts Demand Five.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Just such an Amendment passed on July 9, 1868. The Fourteenth Amendment reads, in part, “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Emphasis added, though the egalitarian language is clear enough on its own. Perhaps he should press for more consistent enforcement of that language. That certainly has been lacking.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Yes. I don’t have a problem with background checks to keep out recidivist criminals or terrorists who, while rare, would hurt other people. And screening people for communicable diseases is a reasonable public health measure. But, like the Occupy Wall Street crowd, I don’t think anyone should presume the moral authority to tell other people where they may live, work, or travel. Right on.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Mandatory recounts are a bit much; most Congressional elections are 60-40 or 70-30 affairs. But there’s not much to object to here. Though there will come a time when computerized voting machines will be harder to corrupt than paper ballots. He should instead demand honest vote counts, whatever the medium.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Do this and no one will ever lend again. This demand has so little understanding of basic human nature, let alone basic economics, that it frankly doesn’t deserve serious scrutiny. It just sounds like he wants all the trappings of a modern first-world lifestyle without paying for them. As the economist Deirdre McCloskey would say: no, dear.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Moody’s and the other ratings agencies played a starring role in inflating the housing bubble. Oh, they deserve plenty of blame. But the solution isn’t to outlaw them. It’s to outlaw Congress from giving them special treatment. Congressional coddling allowed them to lie to their customers and not get punished by market mechanisms. Their legally protected oligopoly is an outsized example of crony capitalism. Don’t confuse it with the real thing.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

Government policy should be neutral towards labor unions. Not hostile, not favorable. Neutral. Part of that neutrality means ensuring secret ballot elections when workers are deciding whether to unionize. If the ballots are open, it’s pretty easy to imagine both management and unions putting pressure on workers to sign with their side. Better to preserve anonymity. Let workers express their true feelings without fear of reprisal from either side.

This demand’s wording is unclear on neutrality, and unclear on secret ballots. Hard to tell what to make of it.

So there you have it.

Like almost any list of demands, there is good and bad here. Two common themes animate the list. One is that the writer clearly hasn’t studied economics. Free trade promotes wealth and peace, and has almost zero net effect on employment in the long-run. High minimum wages price the lowest-skilled employees out of work, and hurt them. There is no free lunch. Nobody will lend money if they aren’t going to be paid back.

None of those statements are controversial inside the profession, only out of it. Regardless of one’s political leanings.

The second theme is entitlement. Other people should pay for my health care. Other people should pay for my college education. I shouldn’t have to pay back my credit card balance. In short, gimme. How millennial.

The tea party movement’s uninformed populism is embarrassing to many on the right. No wonder Brendan O’Neill, seeing the same phenomenon on the left, wrote in The Telegraph that “The teenage moralism of the Occupy Wall Street hipsters almost makes me ashamed to be Left-wing.”

I agree with some of their demands, but it’s hard to see the Occupy Wall Street crowd being taken seriously. For that, they must first be able to be taken seriously. Given the movement’s lack of policy knowledge, its unseemly thirst for other people’s money, and the fact that some of them actually think that standing in the middle of a bridge invalidates their opponents’ arguments (!), they have a ways to go.

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Ryan Young, As you said

Ryan Young, As you said in your examination of the demands, the person writing those demands does not understand economics, running a business, and very little of what needs to be done to fix our economy. Most of the people we elect to Congress to manage the biggest business in the world do not have any better understanding of economics or managing a business. I am a Grassroots Political Economist. I have owned and successfully operated 6 different businesses. I mastered 74 trades and professions by learning every trade and profession involved in my businesses plus some before becoming a business owner. I am now offering a 4 book Grassroots Political Economics course and a 6 book Grassroots Political Economics and Humanities course. These books detail the exact cause of today's unemployment disaster and the exact remedies that would quickly reverse this disaster and get our economy back to normal. My book, THE RAPED PAYCHECK, was the basis for the "President's Economic Handbook", Federal title, "Full Employment and Balanced Growth Acct of 1978" but President Carter required "Enforcement Discretion Clause" for his signature. He signed and threw it in the Trashcan and it has been there every since. Enforcement of this law would have prevented about $18 trillion dollars cost in Federal debt and personal financial loses since 1978. Most people want to complain but do not want to learn what needs to be done. If you would like to help in this effort, I will send to you all 6 ebooks and the certificates that we would issue upon the reader passing our final exam. Voters and political candidates should study these books. Jeff Goolsby, Grassroots business and Political Economist, www.rojego.com, 770-474-2655.

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@rojego...Would you give a

@rojego...Would you give a short explanation for the reason workers lost their jobs, hence unemployment.

Chuck

rojego's picture

Chuck, (1) Republican

Chuck, (1) Republican Senator Gramm conned President Clinton into signing a repeal (Deregulation) of President Roosevelt's 2 1933 laws protecting the public from Plutocracy Fat Cats gobbling up competitors plus other businesses and destroying jobs. Fat Cats' Greed gobbling has destroyed many millions of jobs. This has caused a large reduction in economic activity causing thousands of small solid business bankruptcies destroying more millions of jobs, many shopping centers becoming ghost towns, etc. (2) President Obama was conned into using Republican world champion job destroyer Paul Volcker (saboteur) for his personal economic advisor until 2011 then hired another Republican personal advisor. Volcker was standing next to Obama when he announced on TV every worthless economic "Temporary" job creation action that has cost $2 trillion dollars. (3) If you want to learn how millions of "Permanent Type" jobs could have and can be created extremely fast at no net tax cost, and save our Dmocracy, go to www.rojego.com and read my GOOLSBYNOMICS ebook, or better still study my 6 ebook Grassroots Political Economics and Humanities course. Thanks for reading and requesting. Jeff Goolsby, Business and Political Economist, Grassroots Ph.D.

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@rojego...I guess I was wrong

@rojego...I guess I was wrong it was all Clinton's fault. Not.

Chuck

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Im with you on that one, it wasnt all Clintons fault.

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The distribution of wealth in

The distribution of wealth in the United States is among the most unequal among industrialized nations, according to a study by the independent Bertelsmann Foundation, based in Gutersloh, Germany................................

It was conducted independently of the Occupy Wall Street movement, the foundation said, but gives credit to the battle cry of many protesters that "we are the 99 percent" — the vast majority of the population that does not benefit from the income of the world's leading economy......................................

The United States ranked in the bottom five on a combination of issues including poverty prevention, health and access to education — ahead of only Greece, Chile, Mexico and Turkey — according to the study on social justice in the 31 developed nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.............................

Distribution of wealth in the United States is the most unequal among the nations examined, with more than 17 percent below the poverty line. Of those living below the poverty line in the U.S., some 21.6 percent of them are children, who also suffer from a lack of access to equal education, it showed.

Chuck

rojego's picture

Chuck, Right on target

Chuck, Right on target with your research. Now read my expose of the causes of what you exposed and learn how to reverse this unemployment disaster and abuses of the 99% on www.rojego.com. Jeff Goolsby

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@rojego...Bullshit.

@rojego...Bullshit.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

America is not the world.

America is not the world.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

J-Jammer's picture

America is not the world.

America is not the world.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

I don't feed troll's

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Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

Then you should starve soon.

Then you should starve soon.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

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Chuck

joseph4884's picture

Demand #1 of the Protesters:

Demand #1 of the Protesters: "Let's at least *talk* about these issues. - Thank you everyone for all your help in this!

chuck1al's picture

The Capitalist system is

The Capitalist system is broken that's the main complaint from occupy wall street. The government needs to step in and regulate the bankers and wall street thieves just as they did to the robber barons of the late 19th century. If this doesn't happen soon then the political system is broken and needs to be fixed or changed. The people will not stand for the continuance of the present situation. The gap between the top 1% and the rest of us has been growing for 10yrs, there is no middle class. The right wing machine needs to be demolished and put in the rubbish bin of history. Ether the people are listen to or the whole economic and political system will be in severe Distress and revolution is not out of the question. The Koch brothers and their kind had better listen to the people!

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

It works as well as it's

It works as well as it's supposed to. The problem is idiots think they can do better and are proven wrong by the way they protest and use the term occupy. As you can see you are proof that this is a "liberal" paid for movement. This is awesome. Liberals were always the violent ones. Thank you for the proof on that. You have no idea what 1% is. Nor do you have proof of 99%. You eat propaganda up like a good little German.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

You call the situation the

You call the situation the country is in as the system working well! A liberal paid movement? Liberals are the violent ones? It seems you make up argument to suit your nonfactual beliefs. Back up your biased remarks with evidence.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

Occupy is a violent word.

Occupy is a violent word. When is it used in the positive? Military forces occupy. That is a threat word, as well. It is liberal paid. Union = liberal. DC Idiots paid Mexicans to show up. I'm calling the system in place better than the one your demwits are promising. Oh wait...they don't know what they're doing. They have nothing to replace it with. Shocker. The are idiots, after all.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

I occupy my home, is that

I occupy my home, is that violent ? The Unions showed up to show solidarity with the protest not to be a part of it. Where is your evidence of DC idiots paying Mexicans to protest? You are a pathetic excuse for a human being, the protest will succeed. Wall street and the Bankers will change their ways voluntarily or by government regulation. Your arguments are ridiculous and without merit. Its as if you just write whatever enters your mind regardless of the facts.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

Lol. I'm sure you use gay

Lol. I'm sure you use gay instead of happy. No one says they occupy their home. Unless they're without emotion. They say they live there. Unions force higher pay = greedy. So It's conflicting interest and proving how idiotic this protest is. The fact you don't know about DC shows you only read news that agrees with your wayward thinking.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

J-Jammer, your a complete

J-Jammer, your a complete Moron, you have no grasp of the situation so stop trying to debate your making yourself look foolish.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

lol. Please, tell us in

lol. Please, tell us in their words what they're doing. And by their words, I mean videos. I'm sure this will take you all night, but I'll watch it and laugh. That's because you won't ever find one. This is why you choose to be angry over something that's just a bunch of angry unemployed liberal students whining over what they don't get.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

ProfessorB's picture

I absolutely agree with you

I absolutely agree with you J-Jammer. Human beings are stupid morons and any attempt to voice social outrage is comical. Society is perfect and only very brilliant individuals are capable of seeing that. Unions = Greed and Occupy = Violent. One time the door of a public restroom was locked so I knocked on the door. The creep resonded "It's occupied!" Naturally, I assumed that a violent mexican was being paid to keep me out. Enraged, I pee'd on some flowers to punish all the stupid tree-hugging liberals.

lovejesus523's picture

You are not being a good

You are not being a good Christian ProssesorB. Jesus wants us to love all people including the occupy wallstreet protestors. Your comment about mexicans was racist.

chuck1al's picture

Don't feed the Trolls.

Don't feed the Trolls.

Chuck

ProfessorB's picture

In my own defense, I was

In my own defense, I was satirizing J Jammers perspective because I think he is trolling. His opinion shows all the classic give-aways. He made bold subjective statements without using facts to support his argument. He is making meaningless declarations such as Occupy = Violence and Union = Greed. He almost immediately drew the conversation off topic and in spite of having a dozen posts, he hasn't offered a truly mindful perspective. He is either trolling or a mindless right wing parrot. I would also like to apologize to Lovejesus532 for mentioning Mexicans.

J-Jammer's picture

Lol, you don't know what a

Lol, you don't know what a troll is AND the facts that back me are all the reports in the violence, rape, pissing in streets, crapping on cop cars, sex in public and on and on. You know It's right, hence your lack of comment on how awesome the idiots are.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

ProfessorB's picture

I love what is happening

I love what is happening here. In spite of being outted as a troll, you are using troll tactics to lure me back into the conversation by telling me that I know you are right. I'll play along.

In any group of people you are going to have weirdos and fringe members that do not really grasp the full message. Tea party members were quick to disown the people with racist ideologies, which was a good thing. The OWS movement has its own problematic members. Unfortunately, the moderates supporting OWS because they are in favor of reforming a few laws are not good for news ratings. My understanding about defecating in the streets was because they were prohibited from bringing in porta-johns during the first few weeks, and local businesses were (rightfully) denying them restroom access. Sex in public, selling drugs, and rape... Well these are human beings. In college, I stocked shelves at a rural Target and saw the exact same things happen over the course of a year (including pissing on the shelves). You should not write off a major political movement based on media sensationalism. You cannot possibly believe that our current economic condition doesn't merit an open discussion of ideas from both sides of the political spectrum. To generalize thousands of people by calling them idiots is naive. Why are you even fighting these people? Why don't you join in on the discussion and tell them your thoughts on saving the nation? Make your voice heard by the people claiming to represent your voice.

J-Jammer's picture

I love what's happening here.

I love what's happening here. Despite being wrong about how the protesters are trashy, dirty thugs, you're acting as if they're angelic and do no wrong. There were no racist in the Tea Party. There were people that were liberals going into Tea Parties shouting stupid things and having signs, proven. Massive amount of the Protesters are drug dealers, criminals and smell. That cannot be denied. Considering how many have been arrested for such...drug dealing and being criminals. Let's not forget that they cook food and are pissed off that homeless are eating it. HAHAHA...all about sharing until it's their food. Oh yeah, because the port-potties were so necessary when THEY COULD GO HOME AND COME BACK LATER...there is NO reason for them to stick around in the park and ruin it. They choose to do that. They choose to stink and they choose to pee and poop where they shouldn't. It's a choice. You're excusing their childish behavior like a troll you and they are on society. I'm sorry, but you are not their spokesperson and as their NOT spokesperson you have no right to dictate what they stand for since they can't seem to do that themselves. As for them being against corruption, then they shouldn't like special interest groups like GLAAD who are just as pushy with political agendas as they claim big business is and just as bad for forcing what they want for themselves despite the good of the whole. Not to mention these protesters are backed by the worst people in the world IE CAIR, The Nazi Party of America, Hugo Chavze and AJ of Iran....and you back them. Making them the worst idea since...Current TV. They have no solutions. They act as if whatever they have to offer would lack corruption. HAHAHA, sure. They failed history class. They want America to be like Europe or Canada. If they understood American history (you too), then they'd get that America was created to be different. The founding fathers would not have backed these morons, cause all they want is more government and that's too much like Europe and the exact reason why this nation was crated.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

ProfessorB's picture

So what do you recommend?

So what do you recommend?

J-Jammer.'s picture

I want everyone to vote for

I want everyone to vote for Barrack Obama in the 2012 election!!!

It is wise to direct your anger toward problems -- not people; to focus your energies on answers -- not excuses. Willian Arthur Ward

J-Jammer's picture

Why would anyone need to tell

Why would anyone need to tell anyone who to vote for if that person really was that good to begin with? Stupid.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't feed the trolls.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

Hush, spoll.

Hush, spoll.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

Don't Feed the Troll.

Don't Feed the Troll.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

Don't follow the spoll.

Don't follow the spoll.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

Don't hold your breath

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to do your bidding.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

You know the truth. That's

You know the truth. That's why you're afraid. Which makes this that much more fun. http://youtu.be/k4cRZSkYQhw http://youtu.be/c0j5S8iTvNg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c0j5S8iTvNg#t=268s http://youtu.be/-U2z5PG76HU http://youtu.be/xeQk_AUGTao There's so much more.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

Joseph Serrano's picture

Right, but how has this

Right, but how has this movement been violent? I wasn't talking about the real Tea Party, I was talking about the Koch brothers reactionary "movement". I am aware carrying guns is not illegal, nor would I want it to be. But the aim of these demonstrators by carrying weapons was to convey a threat of violence should the government not capitulate to their corporate masters (i.e. "we came unarmed this time", "By ballot or by bullet restoration is coming"). That last slogan begs the question, restoration to what, slavery? What about when labor laws didn't exist and the 18 hour work day broke the backs of children in textile factories? Perhaps Jim Crow? I digress, my point is the new "Tea Party" threatens violence. And yes, those names were shouted. I watched a video last night where tea party protesters called a representative a "traitor" and a "bitch". ( The video's poster accuses them of calling her the N word, but I heard no such insult). I will post it later when I find the video.

chuck1al's picture

There is no real Tea Party,

There is no real Tea Party, it's the religious right Re-branding itself. Read "Amazing Grace: How religion divides us and unites us". Its sold on Amazon and was awarded The Wilson Award of the American Political Science Assocation (APSA) which recognizes the "best book published in the U.S. during the previous calendar year on government, politics, or international affairs". In it you will find a through explanation of the make up of the so called Tea Party.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

Oh, shocker that you'd want

Oh, shocker that you'd want to not talk about how Occupy Idiots is stupid. You got to do this entire switcheroo. Not going to bite that stupidness.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

Don't feed the Troll

Don't feed the Troll

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

hypocrite.

hypocrite.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

You don't have an

You don't have an understanding of what is happening in this Country and around the World in relation to the political and economic systems imminent collapse. The Occupy Wall Street group wants the American political and economic system to be responsive to the will of the people, not special interest groups who buy political power.

Chuck

J-Jammer's picture

How generic. Get more

How generic. Get more specific.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

chuck1al's picture

The specifics are being

The specifics are being worked out as we speak. Rome wasn't built in a day and a revolution can't be planned in a day. Wait and everything will be clear to you.

Chuck

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