Lack of Gay Monogamy Could Impact Same-Sex Marriage Debate
NASHVILLE, TN -- About half of all male homosexual couples have sex outside of the relationship with the approval of the partner, according to a new study out of San Francisco that some say should have a dramatic impact on the nation's debate over "gay marriage."
The research from San Francisco State University has not been released yet but was previewed in a New York Times story, which itself is newsworthy being that the newspaper rarely casts the issue of "gay marriage" in a negative light. In fact, the story actually spun the data so as to make it supposedly positive, quoting experts who argued that the "transparency can make relationships stronger."
Such arguments likely won't win many converts in mainstream America but apparently are commonplace in the homosexual community. The research followed 556 male couples over three years and found that half had arrangements agreeing that the other partner could have sex with other men. Sometimes that included rules: "advance approval of partners" and "no sex with strangers," The Times story said.
"None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it," author Scott James wrote in The Times. "Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage."
The research is being released in the same city where a landmark federal trial is taking place that could decide the future of "gay marriage" in the United States. The trial will determine whether California was within its constitutional rights to pass an amendment in 2008 prohibiting "marriage" between homosexuals. If it reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, it could result in "gay marriage" recognition in every state.
Despite what some same-sex couples might wish, the new research no doubt will be used by opponents of "gay marriage" who will say it shows the dramatic shift that could take place in the culture if marriage is redefined. The New York Times' article, posted online Jan. 28, did not address whether the remaining 50 percent of male couples in the study are monogamous or whether they simply have sex outside the relationship without telling the partner. The Times' story ran under the headline, "Many Successful Gay Marriages Share an Open Secret." The author talked to one lesbian couple who intentionally left the words "monogamy" and "fidelity" out of their vows.
"The study demonstrates clearly what we've been arguing: That gays bring a different definition to marriage," Glenn T. Stanton, a sociologist who is the director for family formation studies at Focus on the Family, told Baptist Press. "And it's not just a different definition that male and female become optional, but that monogamy becomes optional as well. They are coming into marriage with a wholly different view of marriage than anybody has -- left, right, conservative, liberal.... They come in with that understanding of openness. These are people who come into marriage with a wholly different and really radical definition of what marriage is about."
Among heterosexuals, Stanton said, roughly 25 percent of people will be unfaithful in their marriages, but they "certainly don't enter their marriages thinking that that's going to be the case." The story quoted a woman in a lesbian open relationship as saying, "I take it as a gift that someone will be that open and honest and sharing with me."
"Can you imagine a man going to the altar with his wife, and he's thinking, 'Marriage is great, but the nice thing is I'm going to be able to still keep my options open'? Nobody approaches marriage that way," Stanton said.
Colleen Hoff, an author of the study, told The Times, "With straight people, it's called affairs or cheating, but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations."
The San Francisco research is not the first one to show a lack of monogamy among male couples. A study by University of Vermont researchers showed that only half of male couples who had entered into civil unions in 2000-2001 believed monogamy was important.
The issue of homosexual monogamy made it into the entertainment world even before The Times' article was released, when "The View" co-host Joy Behar, recounting on the Jan. 26 program a previous interview she had had with liberal commentator Dan Savage, said that "[gay men] don't take monogamy and infidelity the same way that the straight community does." Savage responded by saying he had been talking to Behar about all men in general -- including straights -- but nevertheless, he agreed that Behar's point was correct. Savage is homosexual.
"Gay male couples generally don't view monogamy as the defining characteristic of a loving, committed relationship," Savage wrote. "Studies of male couples in long-term relationships have found that most gay male couples do allow for some 'outside sexual contact,' as they say, contacts that I wouldn't characterize as 'affairs' or 'cheating.' If there are no lies, if there is no betrayal, if neither partner is doing anything that violates the commitment he made to the other, then no one cheated and no one was cheated on."
Savage's concession is one that was even once made by Troy Perry, founder of the Metropolitan Christian Churches, an organization of homosexual churches.
"Monogamy is not a word the gay community uses," Perry told The Dallas Morning News in 2003. "It doesn't believe that heterosexuals are monogamous anymore. Just look at all the divorces in America. We talk about fidelity. That means you live in a loving, caring, honest relationship with your partner. Because we can't marry, we have people with widely varying opinions as to what that means. Some would say that committed couples could have multiple sexual partners as long as there's no deception. Each couple has to decide."
Focus on the Family's Stanton, who participates in "gay marriage" issue debates regularly, likes to recount the story of the first same-sex couple in Provincetown, Mass., to receive a marriage license in May 2003. Their names were Cody Rogahn and Jonathan Yarbrough, and as the first couple in line in Provincetown -- a popular destination for homosexuals -- the media wanted to talk to them. Yarbrough told the Boston Herald they were planning an "open" marriage.
"I think it's possible to love more than one person and have more than one partner, not in the polygamist sense," he said. "In our case, it is, we have, an open marriage."
Said Stanton, "This is not like it's the 45th couple in line that [conservative publication] World Magazine found. It's the first couple in line. I've used that as an example to show that gays clearly have a different conception of what marriage is about."

Homosexuals are not permitted to marry. If you compared unmarried straight men and gay men, the desire to cheat I believe is equal. No more, no less. We have told gay people that their relationships are not as good, Holy, clean, worthy, valid, etc. as straight relationships. If you tell a group of people over and over again, that they are not going to make something of themselves, what effect do you think that is going to have? If you pass laws that prohibit them from making something of themselves and treat them as outcasts, don't you think the result just might be that they don't end up making something of themselves? Negativity breeds negative results.
The same can be said about gay marriage . The truth of the matter is that there are a lot of people who do not like the idea of gay people getting married . Period. They can try to defend this belief for religious reasons, what they believe nature warrants, or any other string of examples. But in reality, all of that doesn't really matter. The codes, rules and guidelines that you choose to live your life by, is fine for you. You do not have the right to force those ideas onto others. This is what's know as "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Does that sound familiar?
It's the ideology that this country was based on.
A few other holes in this article:
"With straight people, it's called affairs or cheating, but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations."
- I think straight society has done a pretty good job of making all of gay people a negative connotation.
"The study demonstrates clearly what we've been arguing: That gays bring a different definition to marriage ,"
- All gay people want is to participate in the current definition of marriage. But that will never be able to be proved unless we give gay people a shot at it. Do you hear of gay people trying to change the laws of marriage as they are today? I mean other than the man-man or woman -woman thing. No, they are not.
About half of all male homosexual couples have sex outside of the relationship with the approval of the partner, according to a new study out of San Francisco
- I would be interested in finding who was interviewed for this data. No insult to gay folks in San Francisco, but their sexual conduct just might be different than gay men in say...Pittsburgh. Oh yes, there are gay men in Pittsburgh. Might it also be possible that the actions of "out of the closet, willing to talk with researchers" gay men are different that those of conservative mid-west gay men?
The research is being released in the same city where a landmark federal trial is taking place ... If it reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, it could result in "gay marriage" recognition in every state.
-This article is full of bias . This is evident since it does not list any of the positive aspects that can result from gay marriage and is primarily meant as a scare tactic. Need I say more?
If gay people were given the right to marry, like they are here in Canada, it would encourage gay couples to practice monogamy. That "little slip of paper" carries more weight than some people realize. Most straight couples who cheat are not legally married , and most monogamous gay couples had a ceremony at church or civil union. Self explanatory.
What a joke.
The difference is that the heteorsexual community has more affairs and cheating than is KNOWN or ADMITTED! And why? because the heterosexual marriages have a LOT to lose if they get caught.
Just the percentages of gay versus straight couples would prove that there are more straight people in "extra" activity.
But it is very easy to verify. No expensive study needed.
Go to Craigslist in ANY city and look at the personal postings that are there. In ALL categories, men looking for men, men looking for women , women looking for women, or women looking for men, there are usually MORE married people looking for discrete hookups than gay. There are other websites dedicated to providing married people with connections to other married people so that they can have "secret" connections.
I guess denying any possibility that traditional marriage has ANY FLAWS is just something that cannot be admitted. And if traditional marriage is SO IMPORTANT why arent these groups putting their resources and efforts into strengthening those unions .
All I could think of when I saw this was the saying about people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
What a sanctimonious group is Focus on the Family and Baptist Press.
The first point to be made is that one cannot compare unmarried couples to married ones.
It should also be noted that their own study indicates that the rate of monogamy within the homosexual population is ~50%.
Finally, and most importantly, there is no legal requirement for a couple to be monogamous in order to be married.
The 25% rate for heterosexuals is just the cheating rate, it does not consider couples that have open relationships (which do exist).
This study is apples and oranges... comparing two things that are not similar.
I'd be interested in seeing the number of unmarried, heterosexual relationships of a sexual nature have similar arrangements. I'd be willing to bet the numbers are about the same. The fact that this attitude remains even after marriage is probably a result of systematically denying a class of people the right to enter a legally binding monogamous relationship. Even if that were not the case, and homosexuality somehow cause promiscuity, it would still not be a valid reason to deny homosexuals equal rights. What about swingers? Is their marriage invalid because it is open?
"I'd be interested in seeing the number of unmarried, heterosexual relationships of a sexual nature have similar arrangements. I'd be willing to bet the numbers are about the same."
You'd be wrong . When the author says "about half of all male homosexual couples have sex outside of the relationship with the approval of the partner" there's a reason he specifies males. A study done several years ago at the University of Massachusetts (involving more than 1500 couples) found that generally, monogamy isn't requisite mostly among male homosexual couples. It's requisite often amongst heterosexual couples, and almost always between lesbian couples (Boyd and Bee, Lifespan Development 2007).
There's something about having a penis that makes monogamy just a horrific concept, isn't there...
Well, from a biological standpoint, that makes sense. Men are capable of impregnating multiple women within a short period of time, so to maximize the odds of their genes being passed on, polygamy would suit them best. Women, on the other hand , can only reproduce with one male at a time, and she is largely immobilized while with child , so it is in her best interests to want to keep the male around to feed her, protect her, and insure her survival, along with the survival of his offspring. So from that standpoint, it makes sense.