Jim Carrey's Autism Claims are Wrong
Today on The Huffngton Post, actor Jim Carrey posted his thoughts about autism and vaccines. With his very first paragraph it became apparent how little Carrey understood the issues involved:
Recently, I was amazed to hear a commentary by CNN’s Campbell Brown on the controversial vaccine issue. After a ruling by the ‘special vaccine court’ saying the Measles, Mumps, Rubella shot wasn’t found to be responsible for the plaintiffs’ autism, she and others in the media began making assertions that the judgment was in, and vaccines had been proven safe. No one would be more relieved than Jenny and I if that were true. But with all due respect to Ms. Brown, a ruling against causation in three cases out of more than 5000 hardly proves that other children won’t be adversely affected by the MMR…
Point one Mr Carrey. The vaccine issue is only controversial to adherents of your belief system. Within scientific, medical, legal, autistic and parental circles its not even slightly controversial.
Point two, the three cases chosen were chosen – by the plaintiffs legal team – to represent their absolute best chance of winning. If they had won, there was an excellent chance all the cases that were suggesting MMR as causation would have just ‘won’ automatically. Thats why its called an Omnibus.
Point three, regarding the MMR, it has been firmly established that:
a) The data supporting the MMR hypothesis was fixed.
b) The science supporting the MMR theory was badly wrong – both badly done and exposed to contaminants.
You might also note that the court was not attempting to see if the children were ‘adversely affected by the MMR’, it was looking to see – using the three cases the legal team representing the families thought were the absolute best – if MMR caused autism. It didn’t. Thats probably why your Campbell Brown found it easy to say the MMR hypothesis was dead and buried.
You go to say Mr Carrey that:
Not everyone gets cancer from smoking, but cigarettes do cause cancer. After 100 years and many rulings in favor of the tobacco companies, we finally figured that out.
Yes, we did – and do you know how? With good science – just like the science that established in the three MMR test cases that the MMR didn’t cause autism. And its fascinating that you bring up this parallel to the smoking issue and then later in your blog post invoke the name of Bernadine Healy. Healy – who’s ‘more sensible voice’ you say you’d rather listen to. Did you know Healy used to be a member of TASSC:
TASSC was created in 1993 by the APCO Worldwide public relations firm, and was funded by tobacco company Philip Morris (now Altria)....
According to Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber in their article How Big Tobacco Helped Create “the Junkman”, one of the forerunners of TASSC at Philip Morris was a 1988 “Proposal for the Whitecoat Project,” named after the white laboratory coats that scientists sometimes wear. The project had four goals: “Resist and roll back smoking restrictions. Restore smoker confidence. Reverse scientific and popular misconception that ETS (passive smoking) is harmful. Restore social acceptability of smoking.”
Is that what you consider a sensible voice Mr Carrey? Someone who supported the tobacco agenda?
Moving on, you say:
If we are to believe that the ruling of the ‘vaccine court’ in these cases mean that all vaccines are safe, then we must also consider the rulings of that same court in the Hannah Polling and Bailey Banks cases, which ruled vaccines were the cause of autism and therefore assume that all vaccines are unsafe. Clearly both are irresponsible assumptions, and neither option is prudent.
First and foremost, the vaccine court did not rule at all in the Hannah Poling case. HHS conceded. And what they conceded was that Hannah Poling was damaged by vaccines resulting in ‘autism like features’. In fact, when we look at the the one piece of medical science carried out on Hannah Poling (co-authored by her own father), we see that only three of the symptoms described as being the result of vaccine injury appear on the DSM (IV) diagnostic criteria for autism.
As for Bailey Banks, this is a perfect illustration of both how the vaccine court in the USA was designed to work and also how terrible the evidence was in the three MMR test cases.
The Banks ruling (subtitled ‘Non-autistic developmental delay’ by the way) drew a line of causation from vaccine to PDD-NOS. It is able to do this as the burden of proof for any science presented to the vaccine court is ‘50% plus a feather’. In other words, it just has to be plausible, no causation needs to be shown.
What doesn’t seem in doubt is that Bailey was injured by a vaccine which resulted in a condition called ADEM. The judge in the case then went on to accept the plaintiffs position that the ADEM in turn caused PDD-NOS. He did this seemingly because there was no evidence to the contrary – e.g. no evidence that ADEM doesn’t cause PDD-NOS.
In any scientific situation – including civil court in the US - this would never have been accepted. The plaintiff would have had to have demonstrated that ADEM did cause PDD-NOS. And a search of PubMed reveals nothing for ‘ADEM autism’ or ‘ADEM PDD’.
So, in the Banks case, because there was no evidence that ADEM does not cause PDD-NOS, they won. In every situation bar the vaccine court, the Banks’ would not have won their case. There is no science to support the idea ADEM causes autism.
Bearing this ‘50% plus a feather’ concept in mind it is clear just how utterly dreadful the evidence was to support the idea MMR caused autism. Not only could plaintiffs not provide any evidence that MMR causes autism, respondents produced reams of evidence to show it clearly doesn’t.
You carry on Mr Carrey to say:
I’ve also heard it said that no evidence of a link between vaccines and autism has ever been found. That statement is only true for the CDC, the AAP and the vaccine makers who’ve been ignoring mountains of scientific information and testimony. There’s no evidence of the Lincoln Memorial if you look the other way and refuse to turn around. But if you care to look, it’s really quite impressive. For a sample of vaccine injury evidence go to www.generationrescue.org/lincolnmemorial.html.
Your analogy is ridiculous. I could go to any library and find evidence for the Lincoln Memorial without ever seeing it. In fact, what your analogy does is demonstrate exactly how blinkered and able to only face one direction at one time you and your colleagues are.
The evidence you present as that being supportive of evidence between a link between vaccines and autism is equally ridiculous and blinkered. I simply don;t have the time to tackle the mountain of misinformation presented on the page you link to suffice to say there’s not a single section that doesn’t have a major error. Most of them have been tackled on this and other blogs over the years.
Next you say:
In all likelihood the truth about vaccines is that they are both good and bad. While ingredients like aluminum, mercury, ether, formaldehyde and anti-freeze may help preserve and enhance vaccines, they can be toxic as well. The assortment of viruses delivered by multiple immunizations may also be a hazard. I agree with the growing number of voices within the medical and scientific community who believe that vaccines, like every other drug, have risks as well as benefits and that for the sake of profit, American children are being given too many, too soon. One thing is certain. We don’t know enough to announce that all vaccines are safe!
Mr Carrey, vaccines do not contain anti-freeze – for goodness sake, even Jay Gordon, Evan’s Paediatrician knows that! Did you also know that (to quote myself):
There’s also Aluminium in breast milk so lets compare the two.
According to this paper (which is from 1990 – any more up to date papers welcomed) the amount of Aluminium in breast milk is 49 ?g/L. The average amount of breast milk expressed per day is 0.85 liters. This means that 41.65?g Aluminium per day is in breast milk. Now, according to this paper, there is between 125 – 850?g of Aluminium per dose in a vaccine.
So, for a 6 year old, total Aluminium is between 2,125 – 14,450?g. In real terms this means that after between 51 and 346 days breast feeding, a 6 year old will have taken onboard the same amount of Aluminium as from the total US vaccine schedule.
Now I couldn’t find out what vaccines contained the lower amount or which contained the higher amount. Even so, this means that if every vaccine a 6 year old has that contains Aluminium contains the highest possible amount, within a year of breast feeding they will have matched that. Or to put it another way, an anti-vax tree-hugger soccer mom who doesn’t vaccinate her baby will have given him the same amount of Aluminium he would’ve had in six years after one year of breast feeding.
And thats of course, not even touched on the fact that:
In the Earth’s crust, aluminium is the most abundant (8.13%) metallic element, and the third most abundant of all elements (after oxygen and silicon)
And is found naturally occurring in sea water, fresh water, the human body etc etc.
[Regarding Formaldehyde]..There’s also Formaldehyde in Apples, Apricots, Banana’s and….ah, I lost interest. Lots of stuff. Including the human body. So – how much is in vaccines? According to this and using it in combination with the US vaccine schedule referenced above, we can see that the total amount of Formaldehyde in vaccines from the vaccine schedule for a 6 year old child is 1.2016mg (again, do your own maths, correct me if I’m wrong).
For comparison to that 1.2mg in all vaccines for a 6 year old, 1 (one) banana contains 16.3mg Formaldehyde. Mr Carrey, you’ve got to stop throwing these scaremongering nonfacts around. Its damned irresponsible for a start.
Lastly Mr Carrey, you say:
If the CDC, the AAP and Ms. Brown insist that our children take twice as many shots as the rest of the western world, we need more independent vaccine research not done by the drug companies selling the vaccines or by organizations under their influence. Studies that cannot be internally suppressed.
In terms of autism, if you want to make a big deal out of the fact that ‘our children take twice as many shots as the rest of the western world’ then please consider this – the UK has less shots than you. We also have a higher prevalence than you. 1 in 100 vs 1 in 150.
And please also don’t invoke silly conspiracy theories. Think about how science works. A study is done, funded by Eli Lily for example. It is peer reviewed and found to be good quality and it is published in, lets say NEJM. Now, every single reader of that study can see exactly what methods and means were used to reach the studies conclusions. I ask you Mr Carrey, how much more independent can you get? How much more transparent? Basically anyone, anywhere can try and replicate that same studies results. If they can and a few others can – the results are good. If nobody can (think Andrew Wakefield) then the results must be bad.
And for goodness sake man, grow up, who is ‘suppressing’ what study exactly? Have you any evidence at all that any study ever has been internally suppressed? Or are you just throwing this stuff out to scare people?
Mr Carrey, I loved the Truman Show but this isn’t it. There’s no god like figure overseeing every aspect of your life and wanting to control it. I ask you – get in contact with an actual scientist and go through your concerns with them. At the very least they’ll be able to stop you saying silly things like there’s anti-freeze in vaccines.









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More Research Is Needed
I am the father of a 13 year old boy with Autistic Disorder assessed with profound developmental delays. I have never attributed his Autistic Disorder to vaccine damage. I have moved though from unquestioning acceptance of official views that vaccines have no connection to autism to the view that more research is needed on possible vaccine autism connections.
The views expressed by Dr. Bernadine Healy, the former NIH and American Red Cross head that Mr. Leitch disparages are an important part of the reason that I have moved toward an open minded position. Dr. Julie Gerberding recent CDC head, Dr. Duane Alexander, current head of an NIH agency, and Dr. Jon Poling the father who successfully obtained a settlement in respect of his daughters vaccine induced autism have all stated that more research should be done on these issues.
In essence the epidemiological studies which did not find a vaccine autism connection are not specific enough to provide information concerning the effects of vaccine contents on vulnerable population subsets. The epidemiological studies have themselves been criticzed on a number of methodological grounds. No studies have ruled out the effects of thimerosal in vaccines given to pregnant mothers or of vaccine induced maternal antibodies. A check of the FDA website will show that vaccines still contain "trace" amounts of thimerosal and in some cases more than trace amounts.
The Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee has published a strategic autism research plan which makes reference to research of environmental factors inducing autism including possible vaccine issues. When more research is done the public will have more reliable information about vaccines and whether they play a part in triggering autism in some children . Those studies may indicate a vaccine autism connection or they may entirely vindicate vaccines as non factors.
I thank Mr Carrey for speaking up on behalf of all of our children and the need for proper attention to such serious issues. He must have known that he would, once again, be subjected to the type of personal attacks that have been perpetrated against him and Ms Jenny McCarthy in the past for speaking up.
Enough of the animosity and ideology.
Let the research proceed.
- AutismRealityNB April 23, 2009 2:45AM
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I'd settle for some evidence at all
While I appreciate that you think more research is needed, you seem to discard the current research rather quickly on the basis of some spurious objections.
Meanwhile, there is a dearth of useful evidence that shows a link between vaccines and autism .
So, on one side we have a group of people who refine, change, update, and test their methods, all the while trying to address the specific (and very malleable) objections to their work. They have no interest in the outcome, and honestly, if a researcher COULD prove vaccines caused autism, they'd be famous forever, so there is actually an incentive to find a link. And there is nothing.
While on the other side, we have a group who shows a terrifying disdain for the procedures normally used in scientific studies. Their objections shift, twist, and contort, all while they provide not one whit of useful evidence. Even more terrifying, when it is explained WHY their "evidence" doesn't hold up, they refuse to even attempt to understand or accept it, and often resort to epithets, ranting, and conspiracy claims involving "BIG PHARMA" (boogy boogy!).
You may think you are impartial, but you aren't. Your post betrays this quite clearly.
- Blappo
May 1, 2009 8:48PM
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Excellent comment, Blappo
Couldn't have said it better myself. Real science is self correcting - old ideas are discarded when better evidence comes along. Can the anti-vaccine movement make that claim? When was the last time Jim Carrey or his girlfriend changed their thinking on vaccines and autism due to better evidence?
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THE FACT
The twisting and turning you are witnessing from the people making claims relating to the onset of autism relative to inoculants is more in part due to their suffering at the hands of the unwashed masses whose well intended attempts to whitewash a dangerous medical practice are leading in part to a rather scary cover up of actual medical fact and as a result leading to a great deal of emotional pain and suffering.
The fact is, that acute disseminating encephalomyelitis is related to (and scientifically proven as such) the injection of certain inoculating substances... This is a fact which is quite easy to find and that people continue to ignore the fact of this seems suspicious even to me, someone with nothing vested in this debate.
Next, the truth about adem is that it causes brain damage. Why anyone would need to argue about what brain damage specifically I can only conjecture has something to do with a financial pot they stand to lose if they fail to defend their precarious position.
ADEM is a demyalating disease similar to m.s.
and is considered to be a precursor to forms of brain disorders
why this is difficult for people to connect to autism is getting more and more suspect in my mind.
Further more, when something which is established as causing brain damage (in some individuals) is used and a parent notices their child acting brain damaged, why would this be a faulty observance on the part of the victim?
Is it then true to say that the real reason the victims of this well defended and potentially very dangerous medical are unable to speak and be heard by the people they are trying to protect is because someone is uncomfortable with the idea of public exposure of a dangerous and victimizing medical error?
Their arguments are clearly muddied by intimate loss of the health of a loved one, who can speak through rage? Yet I might offer this to you, we might do well to consider the possibility that medicine has behaved disasterously in the past and will continue to do so if allowed to run unchecked.
Hence, let the establishment destroy our health if you prefer, but personally, I'd rather not.
- blacknkhak
May 13, 2009 1:25PM
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search adem autism, I did...
Recent scientific evidences are pointing out that an infectious agent(s) may play an important role in the pathophysiology of certain neuropsychiatric disorders in children 1,11,17,19,20 . Group A beta-hemolytic Streptococcus (GABS), and (possibly) other microorganisms (bacteria and viruses) have been implicated as causative agents in the ethiology of at least some cases of Obsessive Compulsive Disorders in children1,8,19,20, tic disorders (including Tourette's)1,18,19,20 , Autistic Spectrum Disorders10 and Anorexia Nervosa17. Presumed pathophysiological mechanisms are likely based on neurotropic auto immune antibody injury to the neurons20.
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PROVIDE THE STUDIES
"Recent scientific evidences"
Citations or GTFO. I don't care to hear your opinion on a subject that clearly exceeds your ability to understand.
- Blappo
May 14, 2009 5:59PM
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And yet, amazingly
You provide NO evidence.
None.
that says everything there is to say about you and your worthiness to discuss this subject.
that, and the rant/admission of mental illness you sprayed all over the screen.
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May 14, 2009 5:58PM
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It is not over until the fat lady sings!
Kevin you are like an ostrich with your head in the sand if you believe that the parents with vaccine injured children are going to let disinformation distributors such as yourself win this battle. The pharmaceutical cartel may have billions of dollars to spend to propagandize this issue, but there are cracks erupting in your wall of denial. The claim of consensus is the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something the public is being had.
When the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of 1986 was established, now commonly called the "vaccine court" it was intended to be a “no fault” system designed to compensate families for vaccine injured children and at the same time shield the vaccine manufactures from civil liability since they provided such a vital product, they should not be shut down by costly litigation. The “vaccine court” has paid out $1.18 billion since 1988 for the vaccines you believe are so safe. That number by no means represents that justice was served. A monster was created that denies every American their Constitutional right of redress for a vaccine-injured child. Authoritarian types like you do not like the pesky Constitution. (If it befuddles you, you can give Dr. Ron Paul a call since he is obviously the only man in Washington who has read it and understands it. Ask Dr. Paul about the 7th Amendment. ) It is my position that this blanket immunity from tort liability removed the incentive from pharmaceutical companies to develop safer vaccines.
A recent case headed to the U. S. Supreme Court titled American Home Products vs Ferrari, was brought by parents of a boy who developed neurological problems, including autism , after receiving childhood vaccines containing thimerosal. The Georgia Supreme Court ruled that this family was not preempted from filing a state court case if a product that could have been made safer harmed their child.
Interestingly enough the cast of characters that oppose the vaccine / autism debate being played out in a real court of law, not the kangaroo court set up by the pharma loving Feds signed on to a amici curiae brief asking the Supreme Court to overrule the Georgia decision. Listed are some that oppose the Georgia ruling: The American Academy of Family Physicians, AAP Section on Infectious Diseases, American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians, American Medical Association, American Public Health Association, Every Child By Two, Immunization Action Coalition, Infectious Disease Society of America, Pediatric Infectious Disease Society, and the Vaccine Education Center at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. It is the usual group of Autism / vaccine deniers who claim the issue is settled.
If this case is not overturned, if this issue is played out in fifty state courts, where it should be, with juries made up of real Americans hearing the facts about just how many times the “coincidence” occurred that a normal healthy baby was injected with a dangerous and deadly vaccine and regressed into Autism, just what do you think those juries will decide? The Wakefield’s and the Jim Carrey’s will be vindicated.
- Elaine McKillop
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Sorry Elaine
As a man of science myself I just don't see any connection between Autism and Vaccines. As long as people like yourself keep beating this drum it will just draw attention away from research into the real causes of Autism. I don't care who opposed the ruling. Show me the science. A small % of children developing Autistic symptoms after being vaccinated is no proof since the vast majority of children did not develop autism and many non vaccinated children do develop autism at about the same age. Sorry, but face the facts. You are too emotionally involved in this to think logically.
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Vaccine court
The vaccine court was established to protect vaccine manufacturers after a scare nearly destroyed the maker of some very important vaccines .
The 'burden of proof' needed to get a settlement is far lighter then is needed in a conventional court (and is far removed from a proper Scientific result)... but even with that the court has never found that vaccines caused a single case of Autism.
- MrBook
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Second the more research is needed
I am of the belief that maybe there is a subpopulation of children - maybe genetically predisposed in some way - that cannot process the vaccines like other children and are therefore adversely affected. Some people are allergic to milk, nuts, whatever. Not everyone can drink milk or eat peanut butter so maybe not EVERYONE can healthily process the vaccines on the current aggressive schedule. I second the comment that more research is needed. More, unbiased research. And if the government is concerned about people not vaccinating and the diseases coming back then why don't they do some research and come up with a slower schedule or some other compromise? I for one am concerned about this as I personally know 3 people who believe the vaccines adversely affected their children. Me - I am not willing to risk it so therefore I am spreading out my infant son's vaccines. It means more trips to the dr for shot visits but I am ok with that. As long as he stays healthy. And at 10 months he is up to date with the American Pediatrics schedule. We just went every month for a couple instead of every 3 months for a lot.
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Oh, for crying out loud
You say:
"I am of the belief that maybe there is a subpopulation of children - maybe genetically predisposed in some way - that cannot process the vaccines like other children and are therefore adversely affected."
Couldn't this genetic pre-disposition be simply for autism , rather than for a reaction to vaccines, causing autism?
- bpdlr
April 30, 2009 4:27AM
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opinionated people with useless opinions about this topic
Yes, actually exposure to certain alien bacteria does create autoimmune disorders in people of certain genetic background.
Askenazi Jews will develop Crohns upon exposure to Kleibsella bacteria. So yes, exposure to certain foreign virus and bacteria has been established as the cause of autoimmune disorders in genetic types.
Why people continue to make ignorant statements like
"Couldn't this genetic pre-disposition be simply for autism , rather than for a reaction to vaccines , causing autism?"
is a bit of a mystery to me and seems misfeasance.
If you were hit by an airplane, would you find it honorable to continue to have to justify your "belief" in the cause of your injury to a bunch of goofs with useless opinions?
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Whoopee!
Great, I get a reply from the resident troll!
PS ad hominem attacks backed up with a slew of garbled research data (without references) and an obvious grudge against the medical industry don't count as intelligent debate.
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Quoting wikipedia
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an immune mediated disease of the brain.[1][2][3] It usually occurs following a viral infection but may appear following vaccination , bacterial or parasitic infection, or even appear spontaneously. As it involves autoimmune demyelination, it is similar to multiple sclerosis, and is considered part of the Multiple sclerosis borderline[4][5] diseases. The incidence rate is about 0.8 per 100,000 people per year.[6]. Although it occurs in all ages, most reported cases are in children and adolescents, with the average age around 5 to 8 years old.[7][8][9] The mortality rate may be as high as 5%, full recovery is seen in 50 to 75% of cases, while up to 70 to 90% recover with some minor residual disability.[10] The average time to recover is one to six months.
ADEM produces multiple inflammatory lesions in the brain and spinal cord, particularly in the white matter. Usually these are found in the subcortical and central white matter and cortical gray-white junction of both cerebral hemispheres, cerebellum, brainstem, and spinal cord,[11] but periventricular white matter and gray matter of the cortex, thalami and basal ganglia may also be involved.
When the patient suffers more than one demyelinating episode, it is called Recurrent disseminated encephalomyelitis[12] or Multiphasic disseminated encephalomyelitis[13](MDEM).
If I must continue on this tac, I will, but calling my opinions trollish is in error ,"trollish"people sit under bridges coaxing people into suicide, If any one seems trollish it is the fools who
delight in flimflamming the injured in our communities who seek
just compensation for a gross medical error.
If you think my evidence is lacking, say so and I will waste my time dumping loads of easy to find evidence into your mailbox so you can argue with me about something you evidently don't care enough about to bother researching, Wasting my time with fools when real people suffer is really not what I want to spend my time with, so do me a favor and keep your uneducated opinions to yourselves.
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May 14, 2009 1:43PM
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I quotte "from the desk of teresa binstock
Consider some new words: pharmacogenomics, pharmacogenetics, and nutrigenomics. Each calls attention to the interplay between environmental factors and the human genome. Pharmacogenetics refers to how drugs interact with various gene alleles. An example is that some people detoxify an anti- cancer drug before it can do its work. Conversely, some individuals detoxify a given drug so poorly that a therapeutic dose normal for most people is far too high. Nutrigenomics refers to relationships among proper levels of intra-body nutrients, a person's gene alleles, and his or her need for nutritional boosting of one metabolic pathway or another (6). The word toxicogenomics refers to the interplay between gene alleles and environmental chemicals (5). Each of these fancy words has an inherent principle. People are not identical. There is much inter-individual variation in the human genome, and these differences often cause people respond to differently to otherwise similar chemical exposures. A major ramification is that medical treatments based upon a "one size fits all" policy often create problems for some individuals. This may be what is occurring as childhood vaccinations become more numerous.
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again, another quote from binstock
For more than ten years, many parents of autistic children have purchased titer-based immune screens for vaccinal antigens and for herpes viruses. Many such parents report that their autistic child who had been vaccinated has one or several missing titers for a vaccinal antigen. Since some vaccines contain live-viruses (described as attenuated), if some individuals have one or more alleles that impair immune responses to a specific vaccine's antigen, might that vaccine's live-virus be effectively less attenuated for that subgroup of individuals? Since some viruses are known to have the potential of affecting the central nervous system of humans (20-26), would vaccinal injections with attenuated versions of those viruses be more likely to generate adverse effects in individuals with missing or weak titers against those viruses? As suggested by findings in pharmacogenetics and in the work of Dr. Poland and colleagues, the answer may well be Yes! Some individuals are likely to be affected by injections of live-viruses, even those claimed to be attenuated. Furthermore, the work of Merrill Chase and others has made clear that a missing titer may represent additional immune weaknesses.
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Conspiracy theory
There is a reason for the schedule as is. Compromise is the right word - slowing down the schedule for all risks compromising health . And for what? A manufactured controversy? Personal anecdotes?
There is no good evidence for an autism epidemic, and no good evidence for the vaccine-autism link. It's been studied to death - 35 studies over 15 year on three continents. Does anybody seriously believe that thousands of researchers in a dozen countries over two decades have been deliberately fudging the numbers? And they're getting away with it?
Really?
- AutismNewsBeat
April 30, 2009 9:26PM
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Great Response Kevin
I'm not against more research in more areas to discover what causes autism but at some point this case against vaccines has got to face the facts: they have no scientific proof. No study in or out of the US has been produced to support their case against MMR only the opposite.
What families are going through deserves better answers than Jim and Jenny can provide. It's a shame that these two public figures are spreading misinformation about health issues. It's one thing to have whatever personal political belief you want and publicly support it; it's irresponsible to say that thousands of scientists around the world who took the charges seriously about MMR and autism, performed studies and published their results for every other scientist to check, are just plain wrong.
There is a cause, yes, the responsible thing to do is say we don't know exactly what it is.
Stop beating a dead horse and let scientists keep looking for the cause and possibly a cure - or, at least a vaccine to prevent it.
- mangueken
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Evidence still inadequate
It is possible that autism results from an allergic reaction to the inoculation itself (not necessarily a chemical _in_ the vaccine). Or increasing rates could be due to increased early childhood hygiene -- just like allergies. Or it could be some combination of the two. Or something else completely. We just don't know.
- fsilber
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Where's his medical degree?
Or his degree in medical science ? I hate when people with large influence state something as medical fact when they have no education , proof, or even real knowledge of the subject.
Jim Carey and McCarthy are actors/comedians and that's it. They aren't the leading research authorities on Vaccines, they are biased and very wrong. I think for the Autism community these two are the worst people ever to be a part of that community.
You know what just because diagnosis happens around the same time as the MMR doesn't mean there is a direct correlation between the two. That's bad science.
We need to figure out what causes Autism but we need to stop assigning blame before proof is found.
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I doubt it
I don't think people are ever ready to believe they are wrong about upholding bad medicine .
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Someone needs to say something!!!
I am a mother of an autistic child. There is NOTHING wrong with talking about this issue of vaccine's and autism being related. We cannot believe all science that is presented to us as "true", we cannot believe anything until we start seeing a change in the numbers of autistic children being diagnosed. It is predicted that in the next few years, if something does not change, in Los Angeles alone, the number will be 1 in 4 children autistic. There is a serious problem when numbers are getting higher and higher. What do all these children have in common, an autism gene, highly unlikely! We were tested, our friends who have autistic children were tested, there is no clear conclusion, just like all the tests for the MMR. More likely it is something that we are putting in to their bodies, or that they are exposed to. No one has figured it out quite yet, but being quiet about it has NEVER brought on a solution. Jim Carrey is not the quiet type, thank God! No one like a parent knows this better. Jim is a parent of an autistic boy. He knows more than the common person about this issue. Let him speak his mind. At least he's trying, that's more than science can say.
- Windy Stacey
April 29, 2009 11:41AM
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Yes there is something wrong
Concentrating on the vaccine issue detracts from research into the real causes. It's a waste of time and energy . You are also wrong about the genetic factor. There is increasing evidence for a genetic component that may be triggered by as yet unknown factors.
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April 29, 2009 1:18PM
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Who cares who's wrong..help the kids
You should know your facts, both my husband and I were tested and all my friends with autistic children were tested for this rare gene, there is no gene they can find that shows any link? Just like there is no link they can find with vaccines . It's all unknown! If there were an answer, these kids would have help. I just hope you don't have a child in the next few years, especially a boy. I wouldn't wish this on any person. All issues need to be looked at, including vaccines! Good luck!
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April 29, 2009 1:30PM
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Recent research
I have been doing some research into this as I have a grand son with high functioning autism (Asperger) It appears his mother and I do as well. Knowing the cause will not help in the treatment of the condition.
There has been recent research into identical twins with autism. When one identical twin has autism the other does as well although to a different type and degree while other brothers and sisters do not. This suggests a genetic link but the form and severity may be effected by environmental factors. Just because the specific gene has not been found doesn't mean it's not there. This of course is not conclusive but the suggestion of a genetic link is certainly stronger than a link with vaccinations. This would also explain the increase in cases since recessive genetic traits tend to increase with time as the gene spreads undetected through the population.
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What is the evidence for an epidemic?
Windy, you are incorrect to assume an autism epidemic. There is no good reason to believe that the true prevalence of PDDs has increased greatly over the last 25 years.
Jim Carrey is not the parent of a child with autism. Evan is his girlfriend's son.
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April 30, 2009 2:11PM
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Epidemic of dying
Thank you for another bit of useful tripe. Clearly the agenda is to remind people of the obvious whilst showing aversion to useful facts. Of course there is the possibility that dying is a new thing based on the fact that people forgot to document deaths in the days of cave man. Hence this"epidemic of death may be a clerical error rather that anything serious.
I hope that sounded somewhat sarcastic.
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Epidemic of silliness
I can't tell what you are trying to say.
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May 13, 2009 5:09PM
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Picking on an actor?
Geez, the dude is a comedian. How about taking apart a Dr.'s article or real scientist's article, blog whatever it is you dissected line by line.
Most people aren't going to go to him for his medical advice. I'm sure there are plenty of sources that back up what he believes to be true. The internet is full of everything.
I agree that more studies need to be done on vaccines . Attacking with a self-righteous attitude will only make people fight back harder. And become more stubborn. Gently showing what is fact is a better approach.
Instead of "There’s also Aluminum in breast milk so lets compare the two."
You could have said "I understand that Aluminum sounds dangerous and weird, but there is also aluminum in breast milk." Then go on to states the facts of breast milk.
Yeah it's more wordy, but this article is fairly long anyway.
You can't say without a shadow of a doubt that there is absolutely no chance that a vaccine doesn't cause Autism. Millions of people get it, autism is on the rise, how can it be 100% that everyone will react to it the same way?
You attack Mr. Carrey as if he didn't read anything (just made up everything), when he obviously did do some research. He probably found sources that back his article just like you had to research to find sources to back up your side of the argument.
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April 29, 2009 1:40PM
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All "evidence" not equal
Uzma, what evidence do you have that PDDs are on the rise?
I don't believe Carrey is making stuff up - he's not that clever. He's reading Generation Rescue's talking points, which are misleading if not flat out wrong.
All evidence isn't equal. There is evidence for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too. Just not very convincing evidence.
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April 30, 2009 2:16PM
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Foolio
Again, another silly opinion, Why don't I also include Jesus Christ in the "not very convincing evidence." Categorically it seems that anything we cannot prove via anything short of scientific literature
must be suspect.
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Suspect
If important public health decisions depended on the existence of Jesus Christ then yes, it would be important to prove that he existed using the best available science . But that isn't the case, so your analogy is, uh, silly.
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May 13, 2009 5:19PM
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I'm a parent, not a scientist...
but I can tell you of all the frustration you have to go through when you ask doctors and nurses about something wrong you see in your son and they just answer "there's nothing wrong with him. He's just spoiled".
My wife and I had to stop beleaving on their easy answer and had to start pushing.
Thanks to the school district we could get a Psycologist to see our boy and he found he has autism .
It's been very hard for us as parents to find real help (more than just words) for our son.
I've talked to other parents of autistic children and 90% of the time they share an identical experience to ours: our fourth child was normal until the day (18 months old)he got 6 shots at a time. He had a very strong fever for a week and never came back to normal.
I suspect it's not Science but money what moves our health system.
I think the testimony of many parents going through the same experience should be considered to research on causes before denying any connections between vaccines and autism.
He isolated himself from the world.
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April 29, 2009 7:13PM
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Selection bias?
"I've talked to other parents of autistic children and 90% of the time they share an identical experience to ours..."
Do you talk to those parents at anti-vaccine conferences where like-minded people gather? That might explain the high percentage that you report.
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May 2, 2009 6:13PM
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Another Piece of the Autism Puzzle
Vaccines are part of the puzzle, why?:
Autism IS a Spectrum Disorder, CAUSED by a spectrum of reasons, needing a SPECTRUM of treatments or solutions and requiring a spectrum of funding.
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April 30, 2009 2:30AM
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Actually, the score is 3-2
You are conveniently leaving out of your assertion the Vaccine Court has ruled out vaccines as a cause of autism the Poling and Banks cases (which the HHS persons conceded before even going to trial).
So the score at this point is 3-2.
But then again, you were never one to be complete with the facts, were you Kev... Just cherry pick what suits you to prop up your side. ;)
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PDDs
Sorry Dad4, but the Vaccine Court never even heard the Poling case. It was conceded by the HHS before it ever reached the special masters. And Banks, according to the court, has a pervasive developmental delay. You're obviously confused by acronyms, so let me help you.
What you call " autism " is really Pervasive Developmental Disorders - PDDs. There are five PDDs: autistic disorder, Aspergers; PDD-NOS (Not Otherwise Specified); Rett Syndrome; and Childhood Disintegrative Disorder.
"Pervasive developmental delays" is not one of the five PDDs listed in the DSM-IV.
I do appreciate the irony - you telling Kev he has his facts wrong.
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It's fun to abuse the parents of autistic kids
Bashing parents for their belief in the causality of vaccines in the pathogenesis of their children 's autism is easy. And it must be fun, because so many people do it with out much effort or thought.
But, if you really wanted to know about the claims these parents are making, you might actually be doing some study on the subject.
But, since your study on this subject seems limited to finding out whose name to drop and how to launch personal attacks in a pathological and irresponsible fashion allow me this little gibe.
Clearly you are ignorant. There is ample evidence to validate the claims made against the manufacturers of the inoculations. There is no argument at all to substantiate that they are universally safe and yes there is a connection between autism and adem. Acute demyelinating encepahamyelitis is directly the cause of brain inflammation which results in the autistic spectrum disorder called pervasive developmental disorder.
I personally do not have autism, nor do my children, so while I clearly have no very personal interest in this problem, it is clear to me from established research that a easy to understand connection can be found in autism and adem caused by neural rabies and measles, mumps, rubella, (mmr) vaccines.
So while beating up on people who have noticed the obvious must be fun, I will conjecture that it is possibly slanderous, injurious and ignorant.
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What evidence?
"There is ample evidence to validate the claims made against the manufacturers of the inoculations."
Then share it.
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May 13, 2009 5:12PM
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I quote wiki pedi adem
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an immune mediated disease of the brain.[1][2][3] It usually occurs following a viral infection but may appear following vaccination , bacterial or parasitic infection, or even appear spontaneously. As it involves autoimmune demyelination, it is similar to multiple sclerosis, and is considered part of the Multiple sclerosis borderline[4][5] diseases. The incidence rate is about 0.8 per 100,000 people per year.[6]. Although it occurs in all ages, most reported cases are in children and adolescents, with the average age around 5 to 8 years old.[7][8][9] The mortality rate may be as high as 5%, full recovery is seen in 50 to 75% of cases, while up to 70 to 90% recover with some minor residual disability.[10] The average time to recover is one to six months.
ADEM produces multiple inflammatory lesions in the brain and spinal cord, particularly in the white matter. Usually these are found in the subcortical and central white matter and cortical gray-white junction of both cerebral hemispheres, cerebellum, brainstem, and spinal cord,[11] but periventricular white matter and gray matter of the cortex, thalami and basal ganglia may also be involved.
When the patient suffers more than one demyelinating episode, it is called Recurrent disseminated encephalomyelitis[12] or Multiphasic disseminated encephalomyelitis[13](MDEM).
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Still waiting for ample evidence
The evidence linking measles-containing vaccines with encephalopathy, encephalitis, or ADEM remains speculative. The fact that MMR and ADEM are a table injuries in vaccine court shows the difference between a legal and scientific presumption of causation. The Banks case went to a hearing only after the medical people at DHHS found little evidence for ADEM. The judge found differently.
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adem and pdd
These findings reinforce the theory that immune activation in the brain is involved in autism .
Dr Carlos Pardo-Villamizar
In case anyone still cares to argue the connection between pervasive developmental disorder and acute disseminated myelitis, let it be understood there is no (not a peep) argument left to those who would deny the connection.
It is easily defined as a brain inflammation in the case of autism and adem. Who ever needs to debate if brain inflammation is brain inflammation is a fool and a useless clown. Spare everyone your jaw jacking and bull crap.
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I knew before the MMR vaccination.....
I am a mum to two boys with autism (5yr old has ASD and a 3yr old with PDD-NOS). I knew well before the MMR vaccination that something wasn't right with both boys.
But then, I was diagnosed with ASD when I was younger so maybe I was just willing to look at the bigger picture when my boys weren't developing at the same level as their peer group. I'm also not scared to ask the difficult questions and demand an answer - I nearly always get one, but then living in Australia, things are probably different here.
More research is needed in the area of AUTISM itself, not about vaccinations. As a PP has said, there have been countless studies on the effects of vaccines . How about more research into the disorder itself and how early intevention can help the child develop?
Just my two-bobs worth ;-)
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Are We Really Serious here?
Yeah... Greed would never make Pharmaceutical companies lie and falsify studies to make their products appear safe and effective -- and the FDA would never take bribes or kickbacks either. To think THAT would just be following some ridiculous "conspiracy theory".
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-11-11-pfizer-epilepsy_N.htm
...And the good ol' fashioned "common sense" of the 1800's that taught us that working with mercury compounds (solute AND airborne even) caused neurological damage (remember the term, "mad as a hatter"??) isn't good enough for us today to make us accept that injecting mercury directly into our 6 week old infants is a really bad idea.
I won't post dozens of research studies... but anyone who wanted to find them (as opposed to those who just like to keep their blinders on) can find lots of reputable researchers offering all this "supposedly non-existent" data:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/Expert-Pediatrician-Exposes-Vaccine-Myths.aspx
Autism is a spectrum disorder, and the label is FAR too general to be applied to all cases. Some cases are clearly genetic... some are CLEARLY caused by vaccines . I am one who personally watched my little girl go from a VERY connected, responsive and aware little six-week old to a vacant-eyed, disconnected little blob within 2 days of getting her first vaccines. No... there was never a recognizable "She's back to her old self!" moment.... just years of developmental improvement.
So, Sorry, Leitch, but your arguments and criticisms of Carrey are just absurd. I am not swayed by a bunch of drum beating voices trying to drown out the reality of the experiences of THOUSANDS of parents like me who KNOW it W-A-S the vaccines.
Pathetically ignorant.
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