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I Hear the Footsteps of Giants
How low can animal extremists go?
On a previous occasion I have written to condemn the tactics of animal rights extremists that promised to target my children because of my public speech in support of the regulated and responsible use of animals in medical research.
Shortly after, I also wrote to denounce the tactics of counter-demonstrations organized by the owners of a pet store who decided to use the picture of an activist’s child to make the point that she belonged to PeTA.
The child in question was the daughter of Ghazal Tajalli who was not amused by the affair as she wrote “I think they have really crossed the line to attack a [sic] innocent 5 year old child.” She further called the use of her child’s picture a “scare tactic”.
Who exactly is Ms. Ghazal Tajalli?
It turns out she is the Senior Editor of Disturbing the Abusers’ Peace at the extremist Negotiation is Over (NIO) web-site. And while she clearly feels her daughter is off-limits, she appears to be of the opinion that the targeting of undergraduate college students is perfectly fine.
Indeed, Ms. Tajalli along with her associates at the Negotiation is Over (NIO) web-site have now reached a new low, when they decided to publish personal information, including email and Facebook page of an undergraduate FAU student in her NIO website, and urged her followers to "e-mail her."
One can only speculate as to the nature of the emails, but the result was that shortly after the student issued a apology to them, begged Ms. Tajalli to leave her alone, and publicly announced she will look for alternative career paths that do not involve animal research.
These animal rights extremists claimed their “victory”.
But, as it now becomes evident, it will be a short-lived celebration. As expected, the the news spread through the scientific blogosphere and some are convinced that this move is going to have exactly the opposite effect these radicals expect.
In fact, Speaking of Research reminds us that:
Though NIO may refer to students as the “Soft bellied target of the vivisection complex” who “can be shut down with relative ease,” they should study their history. In the winter of 2005, the ALF launched a campaign that targeted students at Oxford University in the UK, declaring them to be “legitimate targets”. Did the students bow to the threats and arson attacks on their facilities? Not a chance! The students responded by launching the Pro-Test movement in support of animal research, and gave the ALF a drubbing which helped to turn the tide against AR extremism in the UK. The hate and lies of the ALF were simply no match for the solidarity shown by students and scientists at Oxford.
Similarly, in a recent OpEd Earl Holland writes:
“In recent years, universities have been moving away from a historic role of “in loco parentis,” where the institution served in lieu of parents far away. Students, as well as administrators, are more comfortable now with the notion that students are young adults.
But if Camille or others think that universities will stand idly by while animal rights activists abuse and harass their students, they are sorely mistaken. The fact that institutions have been reserved on this issue in the past isn’t evidence that they will allow acts against students.
Camille’s miscalculation may well awaken sleeping giants”
In fact, I think I hear some footsteps right now.
Don’t you?
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A terrorist is someone who
A terrorist is someone who purposely injures or kills a live innocent being capable of feeling physical pain and psychological distress and does it for gain in politics, economics or science. American animal activists have saved lives and taken none. Vivisectors have injured and killed. That's terrorism.
Vivisectors are cruel
I love how these animal torturers never mention how the animals suffer, all they think about is themselves and MONEY. Thats what this is all about. So what the unfortunate monkey is screaming in pain, they dont give a damn. Yeah, your vivisection career comes with a price. People are damn sick and tired of this animal abuse and you will be a target by extremist groups. You terrorize and they terrorize, tit for tat. Its just a fact. You put out bad karma so you get it back
Animal rights activists are evil.
They are simply evil. They are bad people.
ahh yes...
Once again you take the actions of a few mutters to describe an entire movement.
The philosophy
The animal rights philosophy leads to human suffering and death. That's what I'm saying.
necessary
Not necessarily. The animal rights movement is very broad, and it is only the positions of those on the fringe that lead to suffering/death in humans.
that's not true.
Environmental laws forced car manufacturers to make smaller, lighter vehicles, even though larger, heavier vehicles protect passengers better. Every child that dies in one of these fragile eggs is a victim of the environmental movement.
There are more examples, but I'm saving them.
[citation needed]
That would mean that the number of deaths in car accidents would have to be increasing... can you provide some statistics to back that up?
There is also the reduction in deaths due to decreased pollution to consider (not a small number).
And that is the Environmental Movement, not the Animal Rights Movement... the article is talking about only one of the two.
simple physics
should be enough. I know that what I am saying is true.
apply directly to the forehead
So if we compare the survival rate for accidents today with the survival rate fourth to fifty years ago we would see that a person today has a greater chance of dying in a car accident in the present?
no.
There are many more factors. Your test would not be conclusive.
well then
What evidence do you have to back up your assertion that cars today are more dangerous then they were at some point in the past?
This evidence.
If a train and a truck collide, which vehicle will do worse? This is why I say that college education is sometimes useless. Despite all your learning, you don't have the common sense to see the obvious.
mass
Aren't web talking about collisions between autos (trucks/ cars )?
The difference in mass between a freight train and an auto (even a Hummer) is significantly larger then the mass difference between the largest and smallest auto.
Your logic fails pretty hard there... trains do more damage to cars then cars do to each other, therefore smaller cars are unsafe.
If increasing fuel efficiency made cars unsafe then rateof injuries/fatalities should be higher today then they were in the past.
I'm probably on your side
Of this issue, but I don't agree that they are bad people. Remember that everyone thinks that they are doing the right thing. Sure, you may think that they are blind to the truth of the matter, but remember that they think the same about you, and they could be right. Don't be too quick to call them evil in any case. If you really believed animals had rights, wouldn't you be acting the same way they are now?
JOESEPH
NOOOOOOOOOOOO WEEEEEEEERE NOOOOOOOOOT ;)
Vivisectors are terrorists
I am proud to say I am in the group NIO. That student Alene was not threatened with anything but for her story to be published. But what can you expect from vivisectors? They torture animals. Why wouldnt they lie? Most sociopaths are perfect liars. I am willing to bet most vivisectors are sociopaths and need psychiatric help. Your research in invalid. Animals do not react like humans do. I saw a study the other day whereby rats were tested to see if they like ejaculating. You people are a bunch of sick perverts
What part is not a threat?
You are part of NIO? So you approved of this:
"Students also need to understand that making the wrong choice will result in a lifetime of grief. Aspiring scientists envision curing cancer at the Mayo Clinic. We need to impart a new vision: car bombs, 24/7 security cameras, embarrassing home demonstrations, threats, injuries, and fear. And, of course, these students need to realize that any personal risk they are willing to assume will also be visited upon their parents, children, and nearest & dearest loved ones. The time to reconsider is now.”
And you don't call this a threat? What do you call it?
What's the threat, Dario?
For a community of alleged scientists, the comfort with which you draw inferences wholly devoid of critical or objective analysis is quite astounding. Perhaps you've all genuinely forgotten that truth is the fulcrum that propels real science ...
Tell us, Dario, why is it that you decided to stop experimenting on primates? As one who tortured and blinded monkeys for a living, isn't it true that you feared your children would incur the retribution owed to you for your crimes?
Why, Dario, does Jentsch and every other professional animal-abusing terrorist have 24-hour surveillance and hired thugs to protect them in the personal prisons you all call "home."?
Are these or are these not Jentsch's words:
“Because of my fear, I experience anxiety when I see a stranger walking down the street or an unknown car driving through the neighborhood. I take defensive measures to be sure that I am safe in my home. I already had a security guard posted at my house, and now I am having surveillance equipment installed. I have tried to minimize the impact so that I can live my life as normal as possible in the face of these threats, but it is difficult. I have to be wary and vigilant even when I am in my own home. I have had to have difficult discussions with my neighbors. ” (See No. 34) -UCLA Vivisector J. David Jentsch (August 24, 2010)…
The only threat, Dario, is to impart objective information only -- this vision of what awaits them should they follow in the path of violent animal-abusing sadists like you who ply their trade in nondescript dungeons for blood money.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the veteran vivisector....
Are we clear?
Now, please, in your own words, tell us all how a sociopath interprets those words.
Camille Marino
Hahahaha
Are you really that stupid? You are telling college students that they will suffer car bombs, harassment, and their families will be targeted if they enter the research industry. In what world is that not a threat? Oh that's right; in the crazy world in your head apparently it's A-Okay. Oh and it’s complete BS that the above ground activists don’t go to prison or do anything illegal as I’m pretty sure the SHAC 7 (originally 7 were charged but one had the charges dropped) weren’t blowing up anything, just harassment and doing the same kind of stuff you do. In March 2006, a federal jury in Trenton, New Jersey, found six members of SHAC guilty of using their website to incite attacks on those who did business with HLS. So keep harassing and threatening students and see what happens.
I honestly hope that Alena (who you don't even give two sh*ts about as you can't even be bothered to spell her name right, seriously, I've seen Elena, Alene, Elene, it's like you retards make up a new way to spell it every single time and it's only five letters long) called the cops on you guys and she ends up suing you and your skank friend Ghazal, Miss “stay away from my kid but college students are fair game lol” for every penny you are worth. Oh and how are you going to know if she renounces her bogus pledge (which I hope she does since it was made under duress)? Stalk her? Cause that’s not illegal or anything…lol.
that is a threat
Yep, sounds very much like a threat to me.
"If you take this job we will harass and threaten you and your family." Is pretty much the definition of a threat.
interpretation
THOSE WERE NOT THE EXACT WORDS MR.BOOK. THEREFORE, YOU HAVE JUST GRACED US WITH YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION. THANK YOU :)
paraphrase
You can tread the legal definition of threaten as much as you like... but you are threatening people when you harass them with threats of the harassment that you are going to do.
You are saying "go into animal research and you will be harassed" and then you do the harassing.
You are like a radical Muslim saying "if you speak critically about the prophet you will face the wrath of Islam"... then harassing anyone who speaks critically of Islam.
It is a threat
On what planet is it not a threat? Oh that's right, you live on planet crazy...
looneyville
PAUL,THIS ENTIRE PLANET IS FULL OF CRAZIES. THE HUMAN MIND IS DIS-EASED! RIGHT NOW THERE ARE SEVERAL INTERPRETATIONS OF AN INCREDIBLE SHIFT IN HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS THAT HAS ALREADY BEGUN.WHO KNOWS,IN THE END, THE MUSLIMS MAY END UP BEING CORRECT????IF THE BUDDHISTS ARE CORRECT ,ATLEAST I KNOW FOR SURE I HAVE BEEN GOOD ENOUGH TO EVADE LIVING AS A COCK ROACH IN MY NEXT LIFE.".WE" ALL THINK OUR BELIEFS AND OPINIONS ARE RIGHT..... WE DESTROY EVERYTHING IN OUR PATHS TO PROVE IT.AND WE MAY ALL JUST DIE AND NEVER EVEN FIND OUT A THING!!!HUMANS ARE ALL CRAZY.
Your home town
There is a shift in human thinking and it’s to a rational way of thought. More and more people are starting to use logic and reason to make decisions without belief in any sort of angry sky god, be it Allah, Jesus, Buddha or whatever. However, there are those who are replacing their belief in religion with other beliefs be it spirituality, living a “natural pure way” (because if you do you will never get sick and if you do get sick it’s obviously your fault for not believing hard enough), and extremist animal rights views. You believe that animals are furry little people and that animal testing is evil is just that, belief. It is not based around any sort of logic or facts and no such facts will ever sway your belief. That’s why extreme animal rights views are far closer to religion than you realize.
If you are a Buddhist you obviously don’t understand your religion very well as it is NON-VIOLENT. You are going to be lucky if you do come back as a cockroach.
Oh and only crazy people post their nonsense woo filled rants in all caps.
Please share
Please share with everyone the "objective information" you and your associates at NIO emailed this student.
Until then, yes, the most parsimonious explanation of the events given the available data are that you decided to use intimidation and threats to submit others to your views. In other words, the use of terrorism.
This would hardly be surprising, of course, given that the use of violent methods to achieve your goals are amply justified in your web-site.
DARIO
DARIO,it is a well known fact that above ground activists do not commit these crimes,there is an underground sector that handles that.NIO is simply informing you that these things have occurred in the past and that from what we have read there seems to be a risk involved in practicing vivisection. I can tell you from certainty you have taken Camille"s words out of context. these young students minds are extremely vulnerable,they are trusting and completely sussepptable.just like the ANIMAL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, the research industry is comprised of many different interests. these kids are only seeing a speck of the total picture. they are being "TARGETED" because of this purposeful sheltering educational curriculum that they are being subjected too. animal research does not begin with a monkey lying on a table ,nicely prepped and ready for the first cut as these students may believe. these research monkeys are huge business, huge money makers. an industry in and of itself. i think these kids have the right to know about this corrupt horrifying trade. pharmacuetical industry.these "tests they may preform for them.... this is the worst industry of all. MONEY that is what is at stake here and if you interfere with them ,well the word terrorist would be a welcome thought. there have certainly been huge advancements in science with the use of animals in experimentation. why does anyone think though, that it is their "right" to use these animals? why has it become okay to use their bodies as if they were simply here for our perceptualized gain?that is what the animal rights movement is about. we believe that animals are not here for us to do with as we wish. and for whatever reason we have the ability to empathize and know their "pain" on an incredibly deep level. it is sometimes unbearable. someday maybe we will understand why we have been given this perception but for know we truly believe the animals need our help they are being exploitated and they are mentally and physically suffering. we love and feel for animals like they are all our family we are truly connected to them. we are not crazy and we are not sociopaths if anything we are kind loving caring people. right now your defenses are up but if you could take them down for just one minute you might have a better understanding of what i have said. please ask me anything you want to know and i will try to express it.
Setting the record straight
Members of NIO have undoubtedly been involved in solicitation of violence, and there is no question that threats of attack and harassment are the currency of this miserable website. It's only a matter of time before one or more of you end up in jail, an event I will certainly celebrate.
A court of law in California looked at all the evidence and the NIO website when granting me a permanent restraining order on this matter. The one thing the judge was quite clear about is that the contents of the NIO website are clearly and unambiguously harassment and threats.
If there remains any doubt about who the sociopath is, here's a post from NIO dated 6/24/2010. You don't have to have a PhD in Psychology to clearly see the violent and deranged thinking of the author.
“The image on this page [a chalk outline of a scientist] is not a cute logo. It is my personal belief that if you are a sadistic animal torturer, that is all you deserve — a chalk outline. That’s my opinion, not a threat. It’s not even inciting anyone because, unless you read my words and run out and murder David Jenstch (an idea that amuses me immensely), I’m not responsible. If you have time to think about it and form your own conclusions, my words cease being the impetus. Eh, that used to be the law at least. Who knows? Who cares? We have a job to do and that’s all that matters. “
GAME OVER
DAVID. why is it okay for you to kill animals ? do you deny the fact that you kill animals? why is it wrong for me to think that humans shoulden"t kill animals? the fact is that whatever good intentions started animal research are long forgotten.that entire industry and every single layer of it has sold itself to the devil all in the name of MONEY. you will never completely eradicate anything," life" finds a way to resist.be fools if you want but don"t expect me to be!!! if your experiments are done with the utmost care and consideration for the animals pain and emotional well being then may i please come and observe you??? better yet why can"t the public at large come and watch then maybe we would understand your plight and maybe even be your biggest supporters. DAVE,do you bring your sweet little girl to work? you are COWARDS and you are FRIGHTENED LITTLE WEASELS. you are not afraid of us, we have never killed another!!!! you are afraid of the world finding out what complete phonies scientists are!!! your diplomas mean NOTHING. YOU CAN"T AND NEVER WILL CURE SHIT USING ANIMALS AND WE ARE EXPOSING YOU!!! we are exposing you from the from the poachers in the forests all the way up to the
top of the largest corporations in the world.too many of us know and more are enlightened every single day. for every one of us that goes to jail, there is another born................
Nice rant
“DAVID. why is it okay for you to kill animals ? do you deny the fact that you kill animals?”
Humans are worth more than animals. Normal humans are full moral agents who live and enjoy complex lives that other animals ever will. To deny normal humans the right to live a full pain free life all for the sake of lesser beings, who live entirely by instinct, is horribly wrong.
“why is it wrong for me to think that humans shoulden"t kill animals?”
There is nothing wrong with having your own opinions…you do live in the west don’t you?
“the fact is that whatever good intentions started animal research are long forgotten”
People like you may have forgotten. I would say most people in the West are ignorant of much of the suffering and lack of medical care “enjoyed” by the third world. I doubt they take for granted science based medicine and the health benefits it brings when they can get it.
“that entire industry and every single layer of it has sold itself to the devil all in the name of MONEY.”
The devil doesn’t exist. The whole “it’s all about the monies!!!111!!” is a logical fallacy.
“you will never completely eradicate anything," life" finds a way to resist.be fools if you want but don"t expect me to be!!!”
Smallpox is gone. Life finds a way? Sounds like you’ve been watching too much Jurassic Park.
“you are not afraid of us, we have never killed another!!!!”
Not from lack of trying. Didn’t some ALF retards put a bomb on an old lady’s doorstep when they were trying to bomb her resercher neighbor? Sounds more like incompetence rather than you don’t want to hurt anyone. And people like you are definitely not above incitement to violence. Why bring up his daughter anyway? It’s obvious that was meant to be threatening. But it’s not like you care about her, after all to paraphrase your buddy Cameltoe…the blood from his experements has dripped on to her by now hasn’t it?
“you are afraid of the world finding out what complete phonies scientists are!!! your diplomas mean NOTHING. YOU CAN"T AND NEVER WILL CURE SHIT USING ANIMALS AND WE ARE EXPOSING YOU!!!”
BS. Animal experimentation is responsible for developing many new cures and procedures. You are living in denial or you are a liar.
GRATITUDE
Why thank you Pauli that means so much to me coming from you.;)
That's it?
Well I guess it's for the best. When it comes to a battle of wits you are obviously unarmed.
BOO!!!
"solicitation of violence"???
are you joking, jentsch?
you are a professional terrorist. you torture, addict, maim, murder, and carve up monkeys. violence? YOU want to cry about violence?
you've forfeited any right to consideration.
you wouldn't have to live in fear if you put down your bloody implements of torture and did something respectable for a living.
btw, i was here first. so you've negated your own injunction.
Stop it!
Excuse me, this is confusing. If you have lied about Dario's confession, does the studant Elana really exist?
Why are you doing this? Every time extremists pull a stunt like this, the message of compassion gets lost.. All I hear is about how I'm crazy and violent and the person I am talking to must go have a hamburger.
Animal welfare has no room for human ego. Don't you understand what is at stake here?
Hey
Her name is actually Alena Rodriguez (she is real), not that you would know that since Camille has so little respect for the poor girl as a human being she can't even be bothered to spell her name right.
I am glad to see someone against animal testing who is not a raving lunatic. It always pays to remember that people like Camille are the minority and most of us who disagree with issues (I'm pro-test btw) are rational human beings who use things like debate and work within the system to make change.
Have you read her Encyclopedia Dramatica page? It's pretty hilarious. The woman really is off her rocker.
BAD TO THE BONE
WELL BEHAVED WOMEN RARELY MAKE HISTORY!!!!! I GUESS CAMILLE AND I ARE NAUGHTY NAUGHTY GIRLS ;) NIO STANDS FOR NEGOTIATION IS OVER. NEGOTIATING DOES NOT SPARE ONE SINGLE ANIMAL. FACE THE FACTS. IF THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE" ALL" WILL SUFFER. I WOULD LOVE TO PLANT YOUR FACE AGAINST THE WINDOW OF A LAB WINDOW AND MAKE YOU WATCH EVEN ONE EXPERIMENT .YOU POMPOUS SON OF A :)
MORE CRAZY ALL CAPS LADY!!!11!!1!
I can think of plenty of women who are famous who did not need to resort to violence and threats. Did Rosa Parks blow up a bus or peacefully refuse to give up her seat for a white man? NIO doesn’t spare a single animal? Well except for the human animal…those are just peachy to harass, hurt, or kill.
LOL you don’t scare me old lady, I’m not some 20 something college kid you can scare and push around. I would love to tour a lab actually…I actually appreciate the fact that medical science saves lives.
ALBERT EINSTEIN was concidered "crazy"
okay, Paul.... i suppose I could walk into Dario or David"s office and ask them politely to please stop using animals in their research tests. I bet they would appreciate that sooo much, they might even say okay.... why didn"t I ever think about that before???? you are AWESOME! Paul , we will be heroes!!!!!!
Nope.
Not really and he proved his theories. In fact, multiple people have been able to verify his theories (just like animal testing...if it didn't work people wouldn't use it or would find a cheaper, better way) so that's a false analogy.
You could work within the system by not threatening people with death and harassment. You could vote for candidates that limit animals testing or laws that make it stricter. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Ghandi...did I mention Rosa Parks? Oh right I did but just like everything that doesn't fit your beliefs you ignored it.
You will end up in prison just like the SHAC 7. Hope you have fun with your cellmate big Bertha!
I adore Rosa Parks story
I don"t really have any set "beliefs" everything that "happens" on this earth is simply a perception. human perception based on thought. our thoughts create negative and positive energy . , their choices will govern their own life energy and their own quality of existence. i do however care very deeply for the animals that they are hurting.they are my only concern.I don"t know if you truly understand the love i feel for them. their pain is my pain their oppression has become my oppression their tears are my tears. i am not the only human being that feels these things. we have been given a connection to the earth and to the animals that i can"t explain, i know the exact moment it happened and i have heard others talk of the same kinds of experiences. you can disbelieve and you can mock but as time goes on you will hear of others. for know read the book" animals speak " and get to know eckhart tolle he is a wonderful man.
More woo.
For someone who claims to “love’ the Rosa Parks story you sure do easily ignore it’s central message: that of non-violent resistance.
“I don"t really have any set "beliefs" everything that "happens" on this earth is simply a perception. human perception based on thought. our thoughts create negative and positive energy . , their choices will govern their own life energy and their own quality of existence.”
Great, you have rejected mainstream religion for psuedo-religious beliefs. I already knew that. Facts are not perception 1+1=2 is not percepiton, gravity is not percepiton, evolution is not perception.
“I do however care very deeply for the animals that they are hurting.they are my only concern.I don"t know if you truly understand the love i feel for them. their pain is my pain their oppression has become my oppression their tears are my tears.”
More woo. Plenty of people through-out history have claimed they have a special relationships with the earth, with god, with animals. Heck there are people who think they have a special connection with video game characters. Well obviously you only care about animals…and don’t give a crap about people. You are the kind of person that ignores a homeless person while walking to the animal shelter to pet the kitties. But hey, that homeless guy probably had “negative energy” or some sort of BS and deserves his fate. Also…how do you deal with all that constant pain? Do you only feel the pain of animals hurt by humans? Do you feel the pain of suffering humans? Frankly, your beliefs are pretty crazy and there is no proof for them other than you saying “I have a special connection” that really anyone could say. Animals can’t be oppressed, only people can.
I’m not reading any books regarding your religion.
think outside the box
1+1=2 because a human being long ago decided it was so. the theory of evolution was contrived by the minds of human beings.all is just a perceptive definition.because there is so much we don"t know still, about the universe and about the true beginnings of life,i do not simply believe anything as fact.our beliefs and our perceptions could be wrong you know. science is so rigid... it is because of this limited thinking that cures are not discovered. the magnificence of this world cannot be contained in a box.the answers they seek are simple and abundant.science complicates!when i was about 9 years old my family moved closer to new york city and i remember the first time we explored the city. i had my own camera and was taking all kinds of pictures. i saw a man lying in a doorway all dirty and passed out. i had never seen anything like it before. nobody else seemed to care about this person and i coulden"t understand why. i cared about this man and as i walked away with my family i took a picture and i have never forgotten him. as an adult of sorts ;) i have made sure never to walk away from someone who needs help again!!! i care about human beings i feel that we should be taking care of each other as a species,. we do not!!!! i am disappointed and disheartened with the majority. i am not proud at all to be called human! ANIMALS CAN BE OPPRESSED.they just don"t speak english..
Ah
So this is probably one reason why you want humans to give up animal testing and sceince. More of us will suffer and die. For people like you, that's a good thing.
And how will this not be brought about by massive global genocide? It flat out states humans need to go back to Africa and live like we did in the stone age...except without the ability to hunt. Why don't people like you just admit you want all humans to die? That's not what you are saying but it's what you are asking for.
http://negotiationisover.com/2011/04/06/human-overpopulation-is-itself-a-form-of-animal-persecution /
Well...
It looks like your mind is so open your brain fell out.
You are wrong. Facts involving math, science , physics, the laws of nature, are not based on perception…I can’t even fathom that I am talking to someone who thinks that 1+1=2 is a perception. It just blows my mind that you are that irrational and illogical.
Just because we don’t know something doesn’t mean that you can fill it in with what every mystical BS suits your fancy. Those days are behind humanity no matter how much luddites like you cling to the past.
There are plenty of cures found by science, how do you not know this? Smallpox has been eradicated, in the west most diseases that were common 50 years ago are unheard of. Certain forms of cancer have 90% survival rate when 50 years ago they were a death sentence. How can you be so willfully blind to all those advances and say that science hasn’t made any progress?
It’s nice that you cared about that homeless guy. It’s unfortunate that you fail to see that ending animal testing and the use of animals would cause immense human suffering and death. You did already state that animals are” your only concern” and I doubt there is much room for anything else since I am sure you do not mean humans.
Animals do not have language. They do not have the intelligence or mental capacity for such advanced concepts. Bambi is not real life.
Bambi will live in my heart forever
animals do not have the intelligence or the mental capacities as compared to the humans. and judged by human standards. but within their own species they seem incredibly intelligent. .remember, there are many species living here on earth.we are not the creators of life..... even if our origins were simply scientifically explainable WE still did not create ourselves. i guess i do view" life" forms here as separate. but i do believe we all have the right to the earth equally.when humans developed the EGO, it took right over didn"t it!!! without Ego our true nature is very clear. we can transcend the Ego.without Ego there is no attachment and therefor no conflict.i don"t have anything against "advancement" my concerns are with the approaches,and with the consequences and potential consequences.i also think that all religion is, is a coping mechanism. we should be using our own dead bodies for science ,all religions believe the body is just a shell so who cares what happens to the physical body. .because we cannot emulate life we can only copy it i think all life deserves to be respected as precious. look at the nuclear disasters, we are using nuclear energy despite the fact that it could potentially end all life on this planet!!!! and there are a ton more "advances" in technology that have the huge potential to be more harmful then good.
You are a moron.
No, they are not. Real life is not Disney, seriously, rabbits do not sit around in their burrows and discuss bunny politics or bunny rights. Humans have scientifically measured the intellectual capacities of animals and they do not have the mental complexity for language.
Um there is no creator, all life evolved by natural selection, to include humans... so I’m really sure what woo-tastic point you were trying to make.
Humans are the only creatures on this planet with ego. Ego is not a bad thing at all as it drove much of the progress we have made. Humans do not have any “purpose” other than what we have made for ourselves. There is no “divine” reason for us being here, we are just here thanks to natural selection.
What’s with you bashing religion when you adhere to one in the form of spiritual mumbo jumbo? How exactly are we supposed to test substances to see how they affect a LIVING creature on a dead one? Your suggestion makes no sense.
Ah yes, the anti- science rant…what exactly has science done for us except extend our life spans, decrease human suffering, increase our living standards, and overall make the world a better place? Yeah, I see no use for science at all, let’s go back to believing in magic to solve our problems, that worked out super well in the past.
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you are unable at this time to hear me. there is nothing more i can do.your heart is made of stone. may you, one day, see the beauty in those you hurt.
Dito
Please let me know when you find your brain. It must have fallen out at your naturopaths office or perhaps near the Oprah book club section at your local book stoor.
Admirable attempt to conflate and evade...
no, no, no....
You quoted me and posed the question "what part of this is not a threat?"
Well, in fact, I responded in depth and, oh shucks!... there is no threat. But, demonstrating a stellar lack of integrity, you appear to have no interest in resolution.
I have a proposition for you:
I will entertain everyone of your questions about Elena, terrorism, intimidation, celebrating car bombs, the man in the moon -- whatever you want -- candidly and fully.
But, first, I'll need a public statement from you that I can publish on my site. Something like this will be fine:
"I, Dario Ringach, admit that Camille Marino threatened no one. My ghoulish peers and I simply assigned gratuitous inferences to her objective and truthful words in order to discredit the compassionate activists at NIO. I admit that I am the real terrorist. Each and every day of my miserable life, I evoke fear and terror in the nonhuman victims imprisoned in my nondescript dungeon at UCLA. My stock in trade -- like every animal-abusing piece of degenerate filth in my illustrious community -- is intimidation, fear, terror, sadism, and murder. I sometimes confuse compassion with terrorism. Please accept my humble apologies."
Okay, Dario? If you can do that for me, I'll publish it with Elena's statment and I'll be happy to come back and play in your sandbox. :D
Oh and by the way, can you please tell your friend Jim228 to try and keep up... or perhaps we need to send him to a remedial "Constitutional Law for Dummies" class. What do you think?