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Glenn Beck's "Common Sense": The Blood Libel Rebellion
In case the Grand Old Party of America does not realize it, Thomas Paine would consider Glenn Beck to be a "Christian Mythologist" - a Christian Mythologist who was lacking in rational, and reasoned thinking skills. Sorry GOP, that's just the honest to nature's god's truth. When Paine used that term, "Christian Mythologists", dozens of times throughout his brilliant book, The Age of Reason, he was describing the Glenn Becks of this world. Isn't it weird that Beck would now, in modern times, attempt to make a hero out of Paine? Sorry again GOP, Thomas Paine was the consummate liberal, and if he were alive, today, he would think that Beck is an idiot.
In the wake of the recent Tucson tragedy, Sarah Palin has cried "blood libel" in defense of the criticism of her "crosshairs" posters. I'd like to suggest that, if Sarah would like to see one of the best examples of a modern day misuse of the "blood libel" charge, she should read Glenn Beck's version of "Common Sense".
Blood libel (or blood accusation): false accusation or claim.
Is "Glenn Beck's Common Sense: The Case Against an Out-of-Control Government, Inspired by Thomas Paine" the ultimate example of "blood libel"? Let's take a look, shall we?
The accusatory tone, begins right there on the front cover, with "The Case Against". Glenn Beck is, obviously, conducting a trial. Who's on trial? An "Out-of-Control Government" (read that Liberalism/Progressivism). Where did Glenn get the idea to revise history? Well, according to the cover, his inspiration, to revise Paine's political and religious ideologies, came from Thomas Paine himself - "Inspired by Thomas Paine". Glenn Beck would like America to know that he has a great American, conservative hero, from America's past, that is right there in line with him on his new, modern plan for a well armed, peaceful militia, for Christian America.
Are these assertions based in truth? Is America's government truthfully "out-of-control"? Would Thomas Paine really agree with Beck's version of "Common Sense"? The answers to these questions are "No", "Yes", and "No".
Let's look at some of the accusatory language that Beck's version of Common Sense, uses. Do the majority of Americans really feel like they wouldn't want the President and his family over for dinner? Would the majority of Americans really not trust their children in the care of Barack or Michelle? From Chapter 1, right out of the gate.
"We have so little trust in the character of the people we elected [President Obama] that most of us wouldn't invite them into our homes for dinner, let alone leave our children alone in their care. Yet we leave our country and our children's financial future in their care, Why?"
Sounds a bit 'pre' Rosa Parks, doesn't it? Beck continues:
"Common Sense tells us that this is national suicide.Open your eyes! These people are robbing us blind while turning our children against the principles and values we cherish through indoctrination masked as education."
Beck has cleverly made America's children the "victims" that must be saved from the oppressive, evil, current President's administration. Now, watch Beck work his apocalyptic magic. He continues:
"They have set our house on fire and blocked the exits, all the while convincing us that there is nothing to fear because they are the fire department. When will someone cry out with the truth? They're not our saviors; they're the arsonists. They're not rescuing our country; they're destroying it."
Sounds a bit analogous to the Hell, with a capital "H", that the Judeo-Christian Bible describes, doesn't it? Beck continues:
"To save us from political and economic slavery, we must first admit what we already know: America has serious problems that transcend this economic crisis. We must also recognize and admit our critical role in helping create these problems. Finally, we must chose to live by our founding principles and rid ourselves of the poison of those who are proven to have broken the law- no one is above it."
Well, there you go, Glenn Beck is looking for patriots that will help him to "rid [America] of the poison of those who are proven to have broken the law". It's almost as if Glenn Beck is deputising his fan base, and telling them that they will have the law on their side if insurrection "hit's the fan".
On Mr. Beck's assertion that America's federal spending is "out-of-control", and needs to be brought "under control", I don't think that there's one American that does not agree. It is the solution, to bringing that spending under control, that defines the divide between America's two great political parties. The solution will never be reached with a partisan strategy, by either party, on its own. The solution, if it's even possible at this stage, will come through a cooperative, bi-partisan solution, from somewhere in the middle.
One thing is certain, the solution will also not come from a revisionist, modernized re-write of Thomas Paine's Common Sense. The events that led to America's independence from British rule was a "revolution". The Civil War, on the other hand, was an "insurrection". Beck's Common Sense call for America to arm its homes to the teeth, and store food for the coming, government induced apocalypse, is not revolution-like, it is insurrection-like.
Are the Founding Fathers in-sync with Beck? If they were, Beck would not have to quote mine, and truncate their quotes, the way he does in Common Sense. Here's an example from Chapter 2:
"If we fail to speak up and speak out against this madness then we should be prepared to accept everything we get. Samuel Adams said that those who prefer "tranquility of servitude" had best be prepared to "Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you." That advice is as relevant today as it was back then. And so were his closing words: "May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
Here's the actual quote, without the truncated shananigans:
"If we love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude, than the animating contest of freedom—go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Well, we can certainly see why Mr. Glenn "I love laissez faire capitalism" Beck, took that quote out of context by redacting "If we love wealth better than liberty". If it doesn't fit the template, redact it.
The other problem with quoting Samuel Adams' speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia, August 1, 1776, is that it pre-dates both the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution. Samuel Adams was very instrumental in the creation of the Articles of Confederation. Within five years, the Congress of the Confederation began to look at fixing the Articles of the Confederation. The Congress convened the Philidelphia Convention, for the purpose of that "fix", and wound up scraping it for the new, improved, United States Constitution.
Samuel Adams was not invited to the Convention, and, while he rightly makes the list of America's "Founding Fathers" - he was there to sign the Declaration of Independence - he can hardly be considered one of the "key" Founding Fathers that "framed" the final structure of our nation. Samuel Adams wanted a weak national government, and strong, sovereign state governments. Madison and Hamilton wanted the opposite, and, as history has proven to us, their crafty, brilliant language in the Constitution, prevailed. The states ratified it, falling for the ingeneous language, hook, line and sinker.
The above quote block followed a long discussion about the problems facing America's social security and medicare programs. Beck's path to rescue those programs:
"Social Security and Medicare have been called the "third rail" of American politics - touch it and your shot at reelection is fried. That's too bad, because the truth is that any serious discussion about these programs will have to address three key things, none of which are appealing to anyone: tax hikes, reductions in benefits, and delayed retirement."
Isn't it weird that Beck never chastises, or discusses the guy who came up with the idea for Social Security? Oh wait, that would be the guy that he's pretending was the "conservative" that inspired him to re-write Common Sense. Beck can't mention that Paine is considered, by historians, to be "the real father of Social Security". That would, in essence, be counter to his own mapped out propaganda strategy.
Now, watch as Glenn falsely accuses the current Obama administration for the problems with social secuity and Medicare. Oh, and the crisis in America's financial market too.
"BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! Act Now and We'll Also Inclue a financial meltdown!
Now that everything is beginning to crash down upon us, what do our politicians do? They promise us that the way out of our crisis is to spend trillions of more dollars in borrowed funds. And we believe their lies because it feels good. We look to any good news to convince ourselves that our ship missed the iceberg and is not really sinking.
But it is sinking... and so are the lifeboats.
The boat analogy is apt , not only because we are a stricken vessel that is sinking deep in uncharted waters, but also because we've handed over control of our ship to a captain who works for a hostile, competing shiping company."
"[A] captain who works for a hostile, competing shipping company"? Great googly moogly! I believe Beck has called President Obama a pirate. Arrrrggggg, matie! That was very creative of Mr. Beck. Which, is exactly what Glenn strives to achieve, as he told us in his "Note from the Author":
If you believe that it's time to put principles above parties, character above campaign promises, and Common Sense above all - then I ask you to read this book, declare yourself a creative extremist, and then pass these words along to others who may agree with something else that Martin Luther King Jr. said:
"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great mental conflict."
Do not remain neutral. Do not sit idly by. Do not let others speak for you. Silence has gotten us nowhere so it's once again time for our collective voice to make a simple yet powerful demand... Don't Tread on Me."
I wonder how Mr. Beck feels about being "taken out of context" like the quote block above is. Read like it is, it seems like a call for a "creative extremist" solution to America's problems. He put "Dont Tread on Me" in initial caps. Add to that, that there is an entire chapter of the book dedicated to defending "laissez faire" 2nd Amendment rights, and that last line screams "Don't Tread on Me", we're locked and loaded!
Let me put Mr. Beck back into context. There are several places in the book where Glenn reminds the reader that none of his solutions involve "violence". This from the "Note from the Author" precedes the above quote block.
"I lay out several options, but I want to be clear that none of them includes violence. Thomas Paine and his fellow revolutionists shed their blood so that future generations would have access to weapons immeasurably stronger than muskets or bayonets: the weapons of democracy. Those are the tools that we will use to usher in a second revolution, a revolution that won't be fought on battle fields, but in the hearts and minds of the three hundred million people lucky enough to call America home."
Glenn Beck's Common Senseis the most bizarre, and dangerous book of the 21st century. It is "blood libel" on steroids.
Here's what Beck's Common Sense shouted to me from front cover to back cover . . .
- Glenn Beck would not want President Barack Obama, First lady Michelle Obama, or their children, anywhere near the restrooms in the Beck mansion. No way. Glenn Beck would not like President Barack Obama, or First Lady Michelle Obama, babysitting for his children. No way. Glenn Beck thinks that President Barack Obama is destroying America, along with its children, and that the America that we all know, love, and cherish, is sinking like the Titanic. Beck's solution: An armed-to-the-teeth revolution, that should be done peacefully.
Plans, to save America, don't get much more bizarre than Beck's.
Here are some problems with Beck's blood libel, on steroids, against "progressive" America.
1) Beck has spent a decade helping Conservatives turn the words "lib", "liberal", and "liberalism" into epithets. Now it's time for the terms "progressive" and "progressivism" to get the same distorted, propagandist treatment.
2) Beck bases his Judeo-Christian conservative agenda on a distorted, concocted, misreading of the founding documents including, but not limited to, the Declaration on Independence, the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, the notes of the Philadelphia Convention, and the personal writings of the Founding Fathers.
3) Beck is painting a picture of American Revolution II, when what he's really pushing America towards, is Civil War II. His "revolution", in reality, is an "insurrection".
4) Beck has attempted to hijack two of America's great Liberal heroes, and paint them as Conservative heroes. Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, in reality, would think that Glenn Beck is an idiot.
5) Beck's solution for the financial problems that face Social Security, Medicare, and America's foreign debt, did not include a reduction in military spending.
"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind." - Thomas Jefferson
And...
"Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject, as that which has been employed to persuade nations that it is their interest to go to war. Were the money which it has cost to gain, at the close of a long war, a little town, or a little territory, the right to cut wood here, or to catch fish there, expended in improving what they already possess, in making roads, opening rivers, building ports, improving the arts, and finding employment for their idle poor, it would render them much stronger, much wealthier and happier. This I hope will be our wisdom." - Thomas Jefferson
6) Beck would like modern America to believe that the Founding Fathers would have written the 2nd Amendment, just the way it reads, even if AK-47s and missile launchers had existed in 1787. Millions of Americans think that the Founding Fathers would have put some restrictions on the 2nd Amendment, if they had been dealing with the modern weaponry that we have today.
7) Beck argues that the 2nd Amendment is sacred, and should not be regulated, or modified, by the powers of the Legislative or Judicial Branches, empowered to them by the U.S. Constitution. Article1, Section 8, last clause, concerning the enumerated powers of Congress (listed above it): To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
8) Beck consistently invokes the phrase "Laws of Nature" and"Nature's God" from the preamble of the Declaration of Independence as evidence that the Founding Fathers intended for America to be a Judeo-Christian nation. But the "nature's god" that Jefferson and the key Founders referenced was the god of Deism. Check Jefferson's original draft, no caps. Those words got capitalized by the stacottic literary device that Jefferson utilized through out the document. It is still a mystery as to how Jefferson chose the words, that he did, to capitalize. You can zoom in on the original draft and see that "laws of nature", "nature's god", and "creator" are not capitalized, using this very cool tool.
9) Beck's clarification that his "rebellion" should be a peaceful one, is easy to miss. He speaks on the subject just twice in the entire the book. First in the "Note from the Author". How often do we make sure that we read those? My Kindle skips right past it when you tell it to "go to the beginning". Beck's second reference to it, is two short paragraphs in Chapter VI, titled "Is It a Rising or Setting Sun?" Those paragraphs are followed with...
"With that being said, make no mistake, NOW IS THE TIME. This is a call for action. Stand and link arm and arm. Our nation is being redefined right in front of our eyes.; it is time we have a say in what it will look like. We must draw a line in the sand and let our voices be heard: Don't Tread on Me."
10) Beck invokes the "genius" of Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson, to push his "America is a Christian Nation" agenda, and yet he denies that genius if it refutes his own warped revision of history. See Jefferson's The Jefferson Bible, and Paine's The Age of Reason.
11) Beck believes in the accuracy of science, and scientists, when it comes to things like aerodynamics and jet propulsion. He will, after all, fly in a jet plane. Why? Because it meshes just fine with his profitable, propagandist, laissez faire capitalism agenda. How about when it comes to climate science? Nope, that particular group of scientists, is comprised of a bunch of nutjobs. From chapter V: The Cancer of Progressivism... "We are told that humans are destroying the planet and that only scientists (the "experts') or the very rich, very famous, or very powerful can save it."
12) Beck wants America to believe that Homeland Security, just fine anddandy under the Bush administration, is now comprised of "cockroaches that care nothing about liberty and freesom." See Chapter V: The Cancer of Progressivism, under subtitle, "Privacy Rights". Cockroaches need to be exterminated, get it?
13) Beck's real motive, for what he is doing, is profit. Who would Glenn Beck like Americans to "donate" to, when he says this in Chapter V: The Cancer of Progressivism?
"The tangible results of the rebellion, the way you can show everyone that your are serious, is to leave whatever political party you currently belong to. Stop donating to the faceless RNC and DNC and starting (sic) your time, energy, andif appropriate, your dollars to the people who stand for your values."
Gee, I wonder who Glenn is referring to when he says "people who stand for your values". By jove, I think he's suggesting that America should use the money that they would have put towards one of the two political parties, and spend it, instead, over at glennbeck•com. No shortage of "appropriate" stuff to spend your money on over there, that's for sure.
Here's the bottom line America. Chapter V, of Beck's Common Sense is titled "The Cancer of Progressivism". Let's be clear on the code wording used here. "Cancer" is a disease that is cured by, elimination. "Progressivmism" is considered synonymous with "liberalism" (also known, in the conservative echo chamber, as a "Lib", or someone that votes for a Democratic Party candidate).
He likens liberal/progressive America to "cancer", "poison"."arsonists", and "cockroaches", and incists that they are being led by "parasites who feed off of our sweat and blood". All the while, he's telling conservative America that he would not break bread with the current standing President. And, that that current standing President is destroying the Constitution, and our Nation. And, if that wasn't bad enough, that America is on the brink of financial apocalypse. What's the solution? America's homes should be well fortified (food, gold) and prepared to defend, arm-in-arm, the Constitution. From who? The evil, liberal, progressive half of America, of course.
That isn't exactly what the Founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment. From Federalist #29, Alexander Hamilton, writing as Publius:
"It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, RESERVING TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS, AND THE AUTHORITY OF TRAINING THE MILITIA ACCORDING TO THE DISCIPLINE PRESCRIBED BY CONGRESS.
[...]
In times of insurrection, or invasion, it would be natural and proper that the militia of a neighboring State should be marched into another, to resist a common enemy, or to guard the republic against the violence of faction or sedition."
Am I suggesting that Glenn Beck's freedom of speech should be stifled? Nope. Do I want to see Glenn's version of Common Sense banned? Nope. I would just like Glenn Beck to understand that he's written the ultimate example of a "blood libel" about the other half of America. In the process, he has misrepresented what the key Founding Fathers - Thomas Paine, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and Benjamin Franklin - intended the 2nd Amendment's purpose to be.
The 2nd Amendment was designed to arm a civilian militia, quickly, to protect the Union and the States against an invading foreign army, or a domestic insurrection. It was not designed as a protection for WE THE PEOPLE to protect ourselves from the NATIONAL government. Beck has completely manufactured this implied "power" of the militia, a militia, that is established, and organized, by the UNION. Why, in the name of Sam Hill, would the Founders frame the Constitution so that 'We The People', could rise up any time we want, and rebel against the UNION. It makes no sense, the concept is completely absurd, and Beck should apologize for making such a goofy assertion.
Jefferson Davis once said...
"If the Confederacy fails, there should be written on its tombstone: Died of a Theory.”
Glenn Beck has a new theory. He thinks that the Confederacy can rise again, peacefully this time.
Thomas Paine, and the other primary Founding Fathers, would think that Glenn Beck lacks "Common Sense" in almost every field of thought.
Thank nature's god, for our Deist Founding Fathers, and their brilliant Constitution. Re-write your own book now Mr. Beck. You have conflated revolution and insurrection. Your book is a nasty, vitriolic, name calling, blood libel mess. It needs a dose of civility. If Civil War II happens, this book will be the "spark" that caused it. Is that really what you wanted Mr. Beck?
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This book is REQUIRED summer
This book is REQUIRED summer reading for my daughter's (public high school) ENGLISH 11 class! I have emailed the teacher, principal, and superintendent with my concerns. Their solution? They have offered my daughter an alternative book choice. They have failed to address the obvious fact that this teacher is using her position in the classroom as a platform to promote her own extremist political agenda. This book has been REQUIRED reading for incoming HS juniors for the past three years. What the heck is Glenn Beck doing in ENGLISH COMPOSITION class?? I sent a read ahead copy of my previously mentioned email to Ohio State Representative Sherrod Brown about a week ago. No reply yet, but I am hopeful. Next step, the school board, then if no satisfaction, I will be contacting national media. This intelligent and well written article submitted by the Paineful Truth, along with the listed quotes from the book will, with the author's permission, provide a lot of help to me as I elevate this to higher levels in search of a fair resolution. Thoughts? Help?
The Religious Right is
The Religious Right is fighting for a Christian theocracy in the United States and they must be stopped at all cost. Glenn Beck is an obvious nut case and a diversion from the real menace is the Religious Right or as its now been re-branded, the Tea Party. Read "Amazing Grace:how religion divides us and unites us" sold on Amazon.
Chuck
The death of Western civilization from inside.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/02/01/study-guide-muslim-brotherhood-and-more-on-egypt /
Anjem Chaudary proves beck right on the Sean Hannity show. Once new people have a chance to accept sharia, hanging and stonings become great entertainment for the public, and it's free.
This says it about as well as anyone
http://cliffsofinsanity2010.blogspot.com/2011/02/health-care-constitution-and-obama.html
We didn't move to Treasonville. It was declared around where we stand.
ATF says it's superior to Congress
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/02/actions-louder-than-words-eric-holder.html
Why we fight eternal boundless government
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/01/atf-execs-ululations-of-agony-not-so.html
Are Americans as brave as Egyptians?
And as freedom-loving?
And what do you think of the "inflammatory political speech" of
a featured protestor against a 30-year dictatorship?
"We will not be silenced. Whether you are a Christian, a Muslim, or an atheist, you will fight for your goddamned rights. You will HAVE your goddamned rights!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC0NldhTZ7A
Oooh. "Fight." That's not "civility."
Another demonstrator says "For my son and I ... I will die today."
I don't think he means he's going to shoot HIMSELF or run over HIMSELF with a police armored vehicle or government tank.
Talking wasn't working. Dissent was not tolerated.
This is what happens next.
The multi-million man militia.
A million deer hunters in Pennsylvania every year. A quarter-million in North Carolina. The rest of the free states fall somewhere in between.
Funny, isn't it, how nonviolent all those MILLIONS of armed men and women have been. For a couple of centuries and a bit.
If a hot Civil War II -- or American Revolution II -- happens, it will be because THESE PEOPLE finally realize that no matter how compromising, peaceful and patient they are, nothing but absolute submission is acceptable to the socialists. It will be a very sad day for us all.
http://www.garnernews.net/view/full_story/11126408/article-Para-military-groups-help-strengthen-forces-?instance=secondary_sports_left_column
More "violent rhetoric" from Beck
Warns American socialist dabblers about the dangers TO THEMSELVES of cozying up to the real thing.
What Beck said, in context, was:
“Just because you in Washington and you who are so out of touch with life in the media , just because you don‘t believe in anything doesn’t mean nobody else does. We do. You know why you’re confused by this show? It’s because I believe in something. You don’t.
Tea parties believe in small government. We believe in returning to the principles of our Founding Fathers. We respect them. We revere them. Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.
I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don’t. The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep’s clothing — change the pose. You will get the ends.
You’ve been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You’re going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.
They are dangerous because they believe. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You will never change their mind. And if they feel you have lied to them — they’re revolutionaries. Nancy Pelosi, those are the people you should be worried about.”
* * *
Beck telling his audience to take up arms? As Patterico’s Pontifications says, “Nothing could be further from the truth.” NewsBusters says there’s, “nothing to the charge,” and RedState goes as far as to say, “I’m almost embarrassed for anybody gullible enough that they fell for this one.”
Funny how things change once you get the full context.
– The Blaze
Read the truth about Ceasescu
The Romanian dictator. It wasn't the people who hanged him upside down, it was his lieutenants. The people revolted sufficiently to cause a power vacuum, and fellow Communists siezed the opportunity for a promotion.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/76683.html
The call is out for a big takeover .
But it's YOUR people saying it, and it will be BY government, not OF government.
THIS is the insurrection you fear. The revolution started almost before the ink was dry on the Bill of Rights as politicians and those whose favor they need began to wheel and deal. We who favor freedom are the COUNTER-insurrectionists.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/big-brother-love-jesse-jackson-admits-flotus-is-taking-over-americans-diets-and-calls-for-more-massive-gov-takeovers-while-progressives-cheer /
Media "strategic withholding"
http://thenewamerican.com/index.php /history/american/6026- media -blackout-on-rep-larry-mcdonald
The last congressperson to be killed while in office.
He was only an anti-KKK, anti-NAZI, anti-communist conservative, though, so who cares.
Ron Paul explains it all for you
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/ron-paul-weekly-message-understanding-the-constitution
How about a militia trying to stop THIS government project?
The Armenian Genocide in Turkey, 1915-1918. It would have been "insurrectionist" to defend these Christian Turkish citizens against the Muslim government killing them with wild citizen approval.
From "Armenian Golgotha":
"It's wartime, and bullets are expensive. So [Muslim] people grabbed whatever they could from their villages -- axes, hatchets, scythes, sickles, clubs, hoes, pickaxes, shovels, -- and they did the killing accordingly."
After having been "invited to participate in this sacred religious obligation."
6,400 women and children massacred by their neighbors.
"The police soldiers in Yozgat and Boghazliyan ... would even boast to some of us how they had committed tortures and decapitations, cut off and chopped up body parts with axes, and how they had dismembered suckling infants and children by pulling apart their legs or dashing them on rocks."
Testimony of a Muslim Turk to an Armenian Christian man being taken to his own murder by government, so he saw no harm in giving details.
Got sharia? Your religion and your rights could become just an obscure historical footnote.
Beck says he never supports violence. Never would, never will.
On his website, in an interview with the New York Times. They ambushed him with an appointment to talk about hate speech, meaning HIS expressions of concern about, among others, progressive Frances Fox Piven.
In this video, Piven stops herself just before she repeats her call for massive European-style riots -- in which fires are set and people have died -- here in the U.S., on live TV . One reason Beck has been critical of her.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/insidious-scary-frances-fox-piven-answers-glenn-beck /
People who feel that the end justifies any means will ask "So?"
No one else is coming back to play, I see.
Wasted effort.
"If Civil War II happens, this book will be the "spark" that caused it. Is that really what you wanted Mr. Beck?"
No, if Civil War II or American Revolution II happens, it will be because of the "interpretation" of the "living Constitution" that says human rights are not eternal and unalienable but too expensive, too risky, too lacking in civility for modern America.
You're losing me here, Defender.
The Constitution has already been amended 27 times. That seems, to me, to be a pretty good indicator that it wasn't "perfect", and that it needs an occasional tweak. The Founders wrote Article V because they understood that it wasn't perfect.
I don't understand your insistance that the Constitution needs no "interpretation". Since Marbury vs. Madison, and Martin v. Hunter's Lessee, interpreting the Constitution has become one of the major functions of the modern Supreme Court.
Without going into the whole "who's guilty of judicial activism" argument, Defender, would you prefer that they [the Supreme Court] did not have the power of judicial review of the lower courts?
Please don't misunderstand my criticism of Beck's book, Defender. I don't believe that Mr. Beck really WANTS a repeat of the Civil War. I'm simply arguing that it may be an unintended consequence of an unfortunate miscalculation that he's made, in his demonization of Liberal/Progressive America.
I don't feel like and "evil" person, simply because I tend to agree with liberal ideologies, rather than conservative ideologies. Beck wants you to think that I [any registered Democrat] am "poison", a "parasite", and a "cockroach", etc., simply because I agree with the half of America that disagrees with his half of America. And, he's doing it, all under the guise that he has the correct "interpretation" of the Constitution, as well as the intentions of the primary Founding Fathers. I think that he's interpreting the Constitution, and the intent of the Founding Fathers inaccurately, big time.
Is it intentional? It's tough to say. Read Beck's version of "Common Sense", and judge for yourself. If you think that I've mis-analyzed something in my original review, I'll be glad to continue debating it, or concede the point if I think you're right. I don't mind being proven wrong, but so far, concerning the specific analyses of the book review, it hasn't happened in here yet.
Third time, or fourth?
There are different legally-existent militias, as has been pointed out to you at least three times.
The UNORGANIZED militia is the people, the people are the unorganized militia. The ORGANIZED militia that became the National Guard and the official state militias and defense forces answer to and are paid by the governors of the various states. Both are acknowledged in the United States Code, Title 18, POST-dating the Constitution by quite a bit.
I watch Glenn Beck more than ever, and he makes reasonable, carefully considered sense most of the time to me, a person who appreciates freedom.
No one considers HIMSELF evil. His own motives and goals are approved by him, or he would have different ones. When you decide to, in person or by proxy, take the rights of others, expect trouble. That's ALL Beck is saying. But your side doesn't seem to be able to stop, because people dying over stupid invasive laws is OK. They should have behaved.
And that's what we're saying too. Step on the snake, get the fangs.
I conceded long ago . . .
that I had been unfamiliar with the Militia Act of 1903. "Unorganized" militias are on the books. That obscure, federal statute, is still on the books, and has never been repealed.
This article explains why most American males, like myself, don't even know that they are in "America's Secret Army".
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20080108.aspx
Regardless, the 1903 Act doesn't negate anything that I said in my review of Beck's version of "Common Sense". The article speaks to "Founder intent". The 1903 Act, came out of the heads of politicians, that were in the Founders' future. Would Publius approve? Personally, I think not.
I'm pefectly okay with militias, Defender, as long as they're not insurrectionist. If I could find a militia, that thinks like I do, that Beck is misinterpreting the Constitution, I might join it.
If laws GAVE US our rights, you'd be correct
The idea of PRE-EXISTING rights has been around since the Code of Hammurabi.
I don't believe you on secession.
You said: "The 2nd Amendment was designed to arm a civilian militia, quickly, to protect the Union and the States against an invading foreign army, or a domestic insurrection. It was not designed as a protection for WE THE PEOPLE to protect ourselves from the NATIONAL government. Beck has completely manufactured this implied "power" of the militia, a militia, that is established, and organized, by the UNION. Why, in the name of Sam Hill, would the Founders frame the Constitution so that 'We The People', could rise up any time we want, and rebel against the UNION. It makes no sense, the concept is completely absurd, and Beck should apologize for making such a goofy assertion.
Constitution. Declration of Independence "Oppose, alter or abolish." Their OWN government, if it became tyrannical. The true meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment.
Beck takes his opinion straight from the Founders' own writings.
A little research...?
You said . . .
"Beck takes his opinion straight from the Founders' own writings."
Obviously, you think that Glenn Beck is intelligent, and interpreting the Constitution correctly. I disagree. I don't think that he understands the Founders, or the Constitution, even remotely. Either that, or he's faking ignorance for the money.
"A little research...?"
I research18/7, Defender. I'm stuck, happily, in the Age of Reason.
He doesn't need to "INTERPRET"
You can read the explanations of the Founders. They wrote everything down. Specifically on the Second Amendment, Declaration signer Tenche Coxe said "Who are the militia? Why, they are the whole of the people except for a few government officials. Every terrible implement of the soldier is their birthright."
But you say no AR-15s and AK-47s, implements of the soldiers in the field today.
YOU are interpreting, not Beck. Beck is taking dictation from some of the greatest minds OF the "age of Reason.
Sorry for the double post . . .
Sometimes, I have to re-submit a post because OV has logged me off, without notification. Maybe it was the OV database hiccuping.
As for Tench Coxe, hosestly, he'd slipped under my Founding Father radar. I had not even heard of him, or spotted his signature on the DOI. It's tough enough studying everything that the primary Founding Fathers were saying back then.
Here's the money quote, Defender, when it comes to interpreting the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It's from Alexander Hamilton, writing as Publius, in the Daily Advertiser, on January 10, 1788.
"It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, RESERVING TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS, AND THE AUTHORITY OF TRAINING THE MILITIA ACCORDING TO THE DISCIPLINE PRESCRIBED BY CONGRESS."
Hamilton even put the portion that spoke to the "powers", conferred to the STATES, in all caps. He was shouting out to the STATES, and I'm paraphasing here . . .
"Look what you STATES get to do, you get to choose the officers, and train the militia (according to UNION prescribed discipline )."
Hamilton and Madison framed/designed the Constitution. Tench Coxe's signing of the DOI (not LAW, but a document that I love) doesn't seem to be in the same league (Founder wise) as the dynamic, Publius duo. They are considered the "Fathers of the Constitution", for a reason.
Defender, you really should take a good long look at Federalist #29. There's far more to it than the money quote above. Hamilton and Madison, obviously, wanted the UNION to control the militia. It seems plain as day to me. But, read it, analyze it, and then help explain to me what I'm missing.
You said . . .
"Beck takes his opinion straight from the Founders' own writings."
Obviously, you think that Glenn Beck is intelligent, and interpreting the Constitution correctly. I disagree. I don't think that he understands the Founders, or the Constitution, even remotely. Either that, or he's faking ignorance for the money.
"A little research...?"
I research18/7, Defender. I'm stuck, happily, in the Age of Reason.
You're just a statist. Admit it.
What the government says, goes, no argument, no discussion, no opposition, and certainly no rebellion, becaue they never gave us the "right" to rebel.
The perfect slave.
Fear not Defender.
"You're starting to scare me." - Defender
I didn't write that post to turn the discussion towards an argument about who has the best religion. I was just making an observation about MediaMatters' coverage concerning what has Mr. Beck so upset with his critics. He's a criticizer, that can't take criticism when it comes to organized religion.
I'm a big believer in the 1st Amendment, all of it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The first clause of the 1st Amendment is one of the most controvervesial clauses in the entire Constitution.
It gives American citizens the right to practice the religion of their choice, or lack there of, openly, while at the same time, giving them the right to be critical of . . . anything and everthing, including religion. There is no prohibition, in the Constitution, of criticism of religion. Our Deist Founding Fathers were brilliant, but there is a strange Catch 22 to what they attempted to do. You, as a 'may be' Deist, should empathise with what I am about to say.
If someone were to try to name the least tolerated religion, or philosphy, in America, it would not be Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, Islam, Atheism, or Agnosticism. The two schools of religious and philosophical thought that are the least tolerated, in America, are the Deism of the Founding Fathers, and the Pantheism of people like Spinoza, Bruno, and Einstein.
Look where Bruno's Pantheist beliefs got him. Luckily, thanks to the brilliance of the Founding Fathers, we no longer have to deal with that level of intolerance in America. But, an intolerance still exists.
Here's why, and you should understand this if you're even close to being a "Deist". By definition, Deism and Pantheism reject the existence of miracles and supernatural events. It's not a philosophy that the Judeo-Christian population, in America, want hear spoken out loud.
Look at Mr. Beck, the loving Christian/Mormon that thinks that progressives (Democrats) are " cancer ", "poison", "cockroaches", etc., for instance. He had no reservations in re-writing Paine's "Common Sense" and painting Thomas Paine as a "conservative" hero of the American Revolution. And yet, he almost never mentions Paine's "other" famous book, "The Age of Reason".
The day that Glenn Beck does a point-by-point refutation of Paine's book the "The Age of Reason" is the day that I think America has actually reached the Age of Reason.
The Bill of Rights GIVES Americans NOTHING.
The Bill of Rights acknowledges pre-existing rights. A common mistake.
Why don't you watch and listen to Glenn Beck instead of reading what his enemies say about him?
Now, progressive Democrats and neoconservative Republicans AGREE that the Bill of Rights GIVES us our rights. If that were tru, theyn government COULD take those rights back by repealing an amendment. Fortunately, the rights supersede the opinions of Man.
If someone want to take your rights -- you, Michaal Chamberlain's rights -- even for your own good, what do you think about it. What do you feel? What do you do?. Give me a direct answer to that question and maybe you'll have a convert.
The Bill of Rights . . .
is a set of "restrictive" clauses that limit the abuse of "We The People" by the "Government". There isn't a single Amendment that I think should be repealed. I cherish them all. Good stuff.
You know better than George Mason, I guess.
Certainly you don't want YOUR interpretation of the Second Amendment repealed. It gives your government elite buddies a monopoly on lethal force.
Got bath salts? Could become a controlled substance.
http://headlines.verizon.com/headlines/portals/headlines.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=headlines_portal_page__article&_article=3291964
It appears to me . . .
that Mason (and Henry) got snookered by Madison and Hamilton on the STATES' Rights issue. It was a "debate" that they clearly, in retrospect, seem to have won.
Hamilton did not even want a Bill of Rights, but I'm sure that, in the end, sinse there was going to be one, that he was pleased with Madison's clever wording of the 2nd and 10th Amendments.
And, as for me saying:
"The Bill of Rights . . .is a set of 'restrictive' clauses that limit the abuse of 'We The People' by the 'Government'."
That sentiment, from my paraphrased statement, is straight out of the Preamble . . . of the Bill of Rights, of the United States Constitution, authored by James Madison. Madison did, indeed, borrow from the Virginia Declaration of Rights, authored by Mason, but he was very selective, and much of it was cleverly modified. Hamilton and Madison were the ultimate wordsmiths of their time.
Beck: Progressives [Democrats] Have "Tried To Destroy" God
Millions of Americans believe in the Deistic "Nature's God" of the Founding Fathers. By definition, their belief, denies the "God"/"Allah" of the Judeo-Christian-Mormon-Muslim faiths.
It is that "reality", about American culture, that is freaking Glenn Beck out. You can hear it in his voice.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201101210012
FYI Glenn, according to the Founding Fathers', "infidels", and Deists (themselves), are not "cockroaches", "poison", or " cancer " that need to be exterminated, antidoted, or cured.
You're starting to scare me.
Beck complains and explains that the creative principle, inspired knowledge, a Higher Power -- not necessarily the Mormon God or even the Judeo-Christian God but our connection to and aspiration for something larger than Man -- is to be preferred over a system that substitutes the whims of Man -- particularly the power-seeking elites among men.
You see it as a genocidal threat.
I say again: if our Bill of Rights beliefs were not being attacked, there would BE no Glenn Beck Program.
Look into your soul. Do you really want to coexist with people who think differently, or do you want them locked up in asylums, because your comments sure indicate that you're headed that way, buddy.
You've totally misread me Defender
I've never used the words "genocidal threat". What I worry about, is what a modern rebellion would look like. The only one that we have to look back at, in history, since the Constitution, is the Civil War. That was fought with the weapons of that era. A modern repeat, with modern weaponry, quite simply, boggles my mind. I'd like to see America avoid that solution.
This may come as another surprise to you, Defender, but I'm not all that opposed to the concept of Secession. I'd much rather see a State break its ties to the Union, than go through another domestic/internal conflict like the Civil War.
The problem? Practicality. I can envision a coastal state, like Texas, California, Florida, South Carolina, etc., that has shipping and trade capabilties, doing okay on their own. But a "land bound" central state leaving the Union, that is then surrounded by Union states, seems unworkable to me. Commerse, for that new, sovereign "country", could be a real problem if the Union wasn't on good diplomatic terms with them.
Actually, I think there's a second problem. The Constitution. It may need an Amendment to make Secession "constitutional". Philosophically, I would not object to such an amendment [if] it could lay out a "practical" application for such a process.
You are impenetrable.
The Founding Documents I laboriously quoted clearly refer to the state's rights in regard to the central federal power. Alter or abolish, or secede from the union. It's as old as America itself.
When you said "FYI Glenn, according to the Founding Fathers', "infidels", and Deists (themselves), are not "cockroaches", "poison", or " cancer " that need to be exterminated, antidoted, or cured," what did you mean by "exterminated"? Is extermination not genocide? How is it not? Do you have a logical bone in your body or do you just like to bait people like Steve Cohen and then say "That's not what I said, or if it is, it's not what I meant, or if it's what I meant, I didn't mean to say it out loud"?
And please provide a link to where Beck said "cockroaches," "poison," or "cancer."
"Impenetrable", or stuck on reason?
"The Founding Documents I laboriously quoted clearly refer to the state's rights in regard to the central federal power." - Defender
All I remember, is you posting a large portion of the Declaration of Independence. Great document! I love the Declaration of Independence. It launched the "United States of America". It's not law though. You, me, the Supreme Court, can use that wonderful document to "interpret" the "Supreme Law of the Land" in America, THE CONSTITUTION, but it is not LAW.
It's the same with The Federalist Papers, and the other personal writings of the Founding Fathers. They help us to get "into the heads of the Founders", as we attempt to interpret the Constitution, but they are not LAW.
"And please provide a link to where Beck said 'cockroaches,' 'poison,' or ' cancer .' " - Defender
They're in the book " Glenn Beck 's Common Sense: The Case Against an Out-of-Control Government, Inspired by Thomas Paine". You should read it. This op-ed was a review of it.
You're thretened by ... tolerance?
I may be a Deist. I get uncomfortable when a Methodist friend says we'll only see our departed loved ones if we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. I don't agree; I believe there's life after this one, without contracts or mandates to get there.
I'm a lot more free to believe that than I would be almost anywhere else because of people who believed like Glenn Beck , those Deist Founders whose said Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion or endorsing one.
The government says creationism cannot even be MENTIONED AS AN ALTERNATE THEORY in public schools. MENTIONED.
A *privately-owned* bank in Oklahoma was told by the Federal Reserve to take down "Merry Christmas" signs as "offensive" to customers of other faiths. If any. A Hindu classmate wished me Merry Christmas last month.
It's not different ideas that bother Beck, but that the people with the different ideas say they're the ONLY ideas that should be allowed.
Before you even start, Mr. Chamberlin, read the transcript
More Free Speech Follies.
Glenn Beck says what WE say -- you'll have to kill me to shut me up or otherwise take my freedoms, and I'll shoot back -- and you can guess what happens.
http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2011/01/20/glenn-beck-did-not-tell-his-audience-to-shoot-anybody /
Complete show transcript
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0 ,2933,594343,00.html
The real revolutionaries were welcomed into the Democrat party, and are now disappointed and vocal. Much infighting. The high-up Democrats want to forget they ever knew them. Indeed, Obama mispronounced "great friend" Rep. Gillibrand's name. She was for the Second Amendment before she was against it after being elected. How embarrassing.
Progressive gets pwned; "freedom fondled" by TSA
Prolific Progressive critic of constitutionalists objects to being pawed and pwned by TSA.
Why? In demonizing Beck, Limbaugh and the smaller-government Tea Party, he signed The Contract.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/video-david-pakman-gets-porno-patdown-at-airport
Is the only way people listen
to you is when you complain about Glenn Beck or do you do other things? Positive things?
And how do you know what Thomas Paine would do? Do you hear him in your head?
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Paine was a genius.
His brilliant writing is difficult to ignor (get out of your head) if you are a fan of his. I would venture to say that millions of Americans, like myself, have the first line of his pamphlet "The Crisis", stuck in their heads, from the time they first read it, until the day they die.
Why is disagreeing with Beck perceived as "complain"ing about him? I don't want him off the air. I don't want to see him lose listeners, or adversely affect his income stream. I just want to set the record straight when it comes to things like the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, and the Federalist Papers. Beck interprets the history of those things, completely differently than I do. Is his interpretation not open to "review" J-Jammer?
Am I focusing too much attention on Glenn Beck ? I try to cover whomever is taking center stage, in the "conservative" media , at any given time - Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Boehner, Cantor, etc. Nine times, out of ten, it's Beck and Limbaugh wrestling for that "center stage", so they get the majority of my "disagreement".
Both Beck and Limbaugh disagree with (complain about?) the current admistration, non-stop for 15 hours a week. I'm lucky if I can cover about 5% of what I consider their misinformation. Not even the well funded, full time, multi-staffed media watchdog, MediaMatters, can cover every argument that Beck and Limbaugh make.
How do you describe what Beck and Limbaugh do, J-Jammer? Do they constantly disagree with, or constantly complain about, the ideology of "liberalism/progressivism", and the Obama presidency? If they have the right to "disagreement", why don't I have that same right?
I am a fan of Thomas Paine
and before I ever heard (and I still really haven't, just bits of what he's said) Glenn talk about him I already thought about how eerily it sounds like he's talking about the American Government of today. And this was before Obama totally took over as President.
Does not your interpretation have every chance of being wrong as you think his is?
It's really hard to read something when the first thing someone says is that they know a dead person better than someone else. The first rule in writing is that you show and not tell. Best to never say it and show it and you'll avoid this in the future.
I'm going to play the same game as you with my answer to you "review" question. This is a free country. You may do as you choose, as may I.
This is what someone did on MSNBC. All they did was focus on one person and what happened to him? He focused way too much on one thing and he's no longer on MSNBC. His numbers were down.
Those who you name are not popular because they only focus on one thing or one specific area. They are popular because they have passion and care enough to display that passion and should they complain about anything that the government is doing they will and if they like something (such as Obama's memorial speech --- which I thought sucked) they'll mention it. What good have you mentioned about any of these people you are so readily able to hate on?
MediaMatters jumped on the bandwagon to attack people before knowing the facts about Tuscon. They are now way less trustworthy than before. Why bother with them any more? Did they retract what they said and say sorry?
Why don't they have that same right as you give MediaMatters? When was the last time you checked their facts as hard?
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Even more Samuel Adams quote
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!
The right to secede rather than "overthrow"
Secession Crisis
U.S. Constitution "The Right To Secede" March 4, 1789
The first union of the original 13 colonies was effected by the Articles of Confederation, adopted in 1781. The articles established a confederation of sovereign states in a permanent union. The "permanence" lasted only until 1788, when 11 states withdrew from the confederation and ratified the new Constitution, which became effective on March 4, 1789. The founding fathers recognized the defects in the Articles of Confederation, learned from these defects, and scrapped the articles in favor of the "more perfect union" found in the Constitution.
Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of the union of the states being permanent. This was not an oversight by any means. Indeed, when New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia ratified the Constitution, they specifically stated that they reserved the right to resume the governmental powers granted to the United States. Their claim to the right of secession was understood and agreed to by the other ratifiers, including George Washington, who presided over the Constitutional Convention and was also a delegate from Virginia. In his book Life of Webster Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge writes, "It is safe to say that there was not a man in the country, from Washington and Hamilton to Clinton and Mason, who did not regard the new system as an experiment from which each and every State had a right to peaceably withdraw." A textbook used at West Point before the Civil War, A View of the Constitution, written by Judge William Rawle, states, "The secession of a State depends on the will of the people of such a State."
Well into the 19th century, the United States was still viewed by many as an experimental confederation from which states could secede just as they had earlier acceded to it. It took a bloody war to prove them wrong.
Fascinating Fact: It is significant that no Confederate leader was ever brought to trial for treason. A trial would have brought a verdict on the constitutional legality of secession. Federal prosecutors were satisfied with the verdict that had been decided in battle.
www.bluegrass.net
Progressives believe in "enlightened despotism."
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That ***whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it***, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. ***But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government***, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
There follows a description of officials micromanaging the people and confiscating their goods, people held indefinitely without being charged, and taxes on everything, plus punitive taxes imposed for complaining about taxes.
Sound familiar?
Talking failed, because people who liked being SUBJECTS vilified, condemned and ostracized those who published books and tracts and pamphlets favoring freedom.
Sound familiar?
Government permission to oppose the government?
Remember that the colonists were up until this time BRITISH SUBJECTS. A militia that operated under BRITISH LAW would never have fought against BRITISH TROOPS and won freedom. It was under BRITISH LAW that guns were to be confiscated from colonial separatists.
That is the context for Patrick Henry's speech.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?
Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation -- the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?
No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer on the subject? Nothing.
We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer.
Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.
Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.
If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?
...The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable -- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Round and round we go.
You didn't read Patrick Henry, did you? "Peace, peace, but there IS NO peace. The war is actually begun."
I could repeat myself about people being shot in their pajamas over pot or burned in their home/church over guns , but no. The war is actually begun, and it was not started by people like Glenn Beck . There is no need to defend something which is not being attacked. YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND UNTIL THEY ARE AT *YOUR* DOOR. When that happens there's nothing you can do.
I was listening to Beck just now, talking about Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee describing Republicans as using the tactics of the Nazis to repeal Obamacare. Beck's research points out that the Nazis used the tactics of... the early progressives.
Current progressive Cass Sunstein, an Obama advisor, said "Once we find out that everyone is human -- that they have a little Homer Simpson in them -- its easier to manipulate them."
Beck and God? Beck says whatever God you believe in, and I say whichever or none, you have the faculty of REASON and you should use it rather than be manipulated by "ranchers" who see you as cattle.
I forgot to mention about the civil rights struggle, the marches against the poll tax, the marches to gain the vote in the first place. Peaceful marchers attacked with firehoses and police dogs by the government. Some were killed. Women marching and going on hunger strikes to get the vote. Risking their lives for what we take for granted.
You never respond directly to these atrocities I mention. They continue in different form, don't you see?
Silence is consent.
Read the preamble to the Constitution. Read Patrick Henry's Liberty or Death speech.
You do not understand. The violence has already started, long ago. It's just that there hasn't been a true militia response yet. And that's something NO ONE WANTS. Therefore we publish books.
You're about 25 years old, aren't you?
At 3:30 in the morning, I wake up and understand.
For you, a Clinton or a Bush has ALWAYS been president, and you think they're DIFFERENT, even though they went to the same schools and belonged to the same clubs and had the same mentors and used the same drugs (not that I have a problem with that, except that each has allowed thousands to go to prison for things THEY'VE done with impunity because they are the elite, groomed for leadership). Mediocre minds easily molded. You've never heard of Punch and Judy, two puppest who freakin' HATE each other and always whack each other with sticks, but are operated by the same puppeteer.
In high school you read "Silent Spring," and "Future Shock," not "1984" and "Animal Farm." Two plus two has always equaled whatever they told you it did, and even though they tell you all animals are equal, some have always been more equal than others and that's the natural order of things. The local police have always had Ninja Turtle ballistic helmets and armored personnel carriers with battering rams on the front. People have ALWAYS been Tasered for getting lost in airports or not signing speeding tickets or shouting out in public assemblies or declining to show a college LIBRARY CARD. People have always had essential liberty stripped from them after ACCUSATIONS of MISDEMEANORS rather than convictions of a felony. Police have ALWAYS "asked" to search cars and people during routine traffic stops or random checkpoints. Airport security has ALWAYS included metal detectors and X-rays and we've always had a daily terrorism threat level alert.
To you, there have always been 100 channels on TV , home computers and video players and cordless phones and automated teller machines. Stores have always been open every day including Sunday and there have always been mega-malls and big-box retail stores like Wal-Mart selling imports made so cheap that American manufacturers can never compete. Instant gratification.
To you, a middle-class college-educated husband and wife have always both HAD to work to support themselves and two children and pay 50% or more of their combined income in taxes . But only because not enough people are willing to "give back."
To you, elementary school students have ALWAYS been awakened at 5:30 a.m. to get ready for an hour cross-town bus ride in order to racially balance school populations. Neighborhoods of shabby homes but FAMILY HOMES have always been torn down to build barracks-like public housing projects. 70% of babies have always been born to unmarried couples, who stay unmarried because single mothers get assistance checks. Downtowns have always been empty, dirty and dangerous. There have ALWAYS been black mayors, police chiefs and legislators. No one has had to suffer humiliation and threats in order to achieve equality. Once slavery was abolished, African-Americans just walked into positions of privilege and wealth. There have ALWAYS been only TWO political parties and all others have been radical also-rans. We've ALWAYS engaged in international commerce with people who have nuclear weapons targeted at our large and medium-size cities, and our secretary of state and president have ALWAYS said we need to agree to disagree with them on matters of human rights and even genocide because we need each other in this global economy we've always "enjoyed," which is why poverty and disease are absent from the world except where American corporations destroy frail natural resources without providng employment.
You have been done a disservice by our political system and the educational system it controls.
On purpose.
You're off by a mile, Defender.
I'm at the tailend of a wonderful life. Believe it, or not, I read 1984, and Animal Farm, nearly a half century ago. Very scary dystopian visions. Unlike you, I don't think that we're anywhere near reaching those visions, nor do I think that America will ever reach those visions. I have too much trust in our bi-cameral democratic republican process, and our brilliantly framed Constitution.
I think you misunderstand me Defender. I'm not against legal gun ownership, nor militias, if they operate according to federal laws. I wrote this piece because I don't believe that it is in our nation's best interest, for someone, like Glenn Beck , to stir up "We The People" to the edge of a "peaceful" rebellion. I see it as a very dangerous, self-fulfilling, apocalytic scenario to push America towards.
I am okay with the concept of militias as described in the Constitution. Where I get totally confused, is trying to reconcile that the Founders were giving the STATES the power to overthrow the UNION. That, for some reason, just doesn't compute for me. If there is something in the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers, that you think empowers the STATES to take such an action, please, point it out, and help me to understand it.
The other reason. that I wrote the piece, is that I am a big fan of the key Founding Fathers of America, and feel the need to correct Mr. Beck when he distorts and revises the history of them.