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Get Ready for Legalized Incest Between Consenting Adults
Perhaps we can be forgiven for remaining blithely ignorant of just how depraved societies that abandon true faith can become.
Until today, I did not know that incest between consenting adults is legal in China, France, Israel, the Ivory Coast, the Netherlands, Russia, Spain and Turkey. In Spain the age of consent is 13.
In Switzerland, where consensual incest between "second-degree" relatives like aunts and nephews or between cousins is already legal, the Upper House of Parliament recently proposed a law decriminalizing consensual sex between "first-degree" relatives (e.g. between fathers and daughters or between siblings). The age of consent in Switzerland is 16.
Columbia University political science Professor David Epstein probably wishes he lived in one of those countries: He was just arrested and charged with having a three-year consensual sexual relationship with his 24-year-old daughter.
The question is not whether a movement to legalize incest between consenting adults is coming to America; the question is simply when. Incestuous relations between consenting adults is no more depraved and perverse than sexual relations between two men or two women, which we now celebrate in our streets and our public schools.
Oh, and don't forget, accompanying this effort to normalize yet another manifestation of sin will be a fight to lower the age of consent.
And when it arrives, we will be left devoid of justifications for opposing it because all the same reasons used to normalize homosexuality will be used to normalize adult consensual incest:
Who are you to impose your personal or religious beliefs on others? Opposition to adult consensual incest is motivated by puritanical provincialism and prejudice. What goes on between closed doors is no one's business but the two (or more) people involved. All that really matters is that those involved love each other. How does the incestuous relationship of Mr. Brown and his daughter Susie affect your relationship? It is unjust to deny any adults the freedom to love whomever they please.
The central reason offered to prohibit incestuous relations is that their offspring are at increased risk for genetic disorders. But this is not a compelling moral reason to oppose consensual incest.
First, not all children born to close relatives suffer from genetic disorders. Second, laws permitting incestuous marriages between "first-degree" relatives could include a provision requiring genetic screening.
If the only reason for prohibiting fathers from being in sexual relationships with daughters is the increased possibility of passing on a genetic disorder, then why do we permit marriages between Jews who may pass on Tay-Sachs disease or blacks who may pass on sickle cell anemia?
The reason that we don't prohibit Jews from marrying Jews or blacks from marrying blacks despite the increased risk of passing on genetic disorders is that these types of relationships are not inherently morally flawed whereas incestuous relationships between fathers and daughters are.
Furthermore, if the possibility of passing on genetic disorders is the only reason for opposing legalized consensual incest, then what possible reason is there to oppose a father being in a sexual relationship with his adult son?
If fathers can be in sexual relationships with their daughters or sons, and if marriage -- as a public, government-sanctioned institution -- is severed from gender and procreation, will fathers be able to marry their adult sons?
How will the legalization of consensual incest affect family life? How will the weakening or eradication of the incest taboo affect how mothers and fathers physically interact with their children or teens?
Will the loss of the incest taboo diminish trust within families? Will it make parents apprehensive about interacting affectionately with their children? Will it make parents suspicious of the nature of their marital partner's affectionate interactions with their children?
And are these concerns compelling enough to defeat the next phase of moral corrosion in a society in which so many have rejected the idea of all moral absolutes except one: absolute liberty?
As Neil Postman warned, we no longer think; we feel. So, all we need is a big Hollywood tearjerker about a star-crossed brother and sister who because of society's bigotry are prevented from openly expressing their love and from accessing the benefits and social validation that come with marriage, and the incest taboo will fall.
We need to heed the portentous words of Professor Epstein's attorney Matthew Galluzzo who said that "there is an argument to be made in the Swiss case to let go what goes on privately in bedrooms. It's OK for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home ... How is this so different? We have to figure out why some behavior is tolerated and some is not."
I hope and pray that the church -- that is to say, church leaders and the people they lead -- will do a far better job opposing this and all other forms of sexual perversity than they have done so far.












Comments
I am ready to barf
All over the place.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
No need to worry
Incest will never be legalized because it causes real, biological harm to the population, something that cannot be said for homosexuality.
I get really annoyed when people try to make comparisons between homosexuality and incest, bestiality, and pedophilia which is just completely wrong. Homosexuality is a consensual relationship between two adults that has no real societal or biological harmfulness. Incest, whether consensual or not, has a very negative biological effect on our species and should be banned. Bestiality and pedophilia are examples of one adult taking advantage of an individual that is mentally incapable of giving consent and should be banned as well.
yet...
As the IFI points out we allow unions with similar risk for passing on genetic disorders (such as Jewish communities whet Tay-Sachs, or Sickle Cell in black communities).
i guess
You don't know porn too well.
Pay for gay is not consensual. Case in point one of the cast members of MTV's real world. If gay sex was wholesome those who are gay wouldn't make such sites popular. Gay sex is apparently a selfish act.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
also,
anyone notice they didnt bring up interracial marriage as an example of what's ok? just saying...
IFI
It's the IFI, they probably don't think that interracial marriage is ok.
Your hate is showing.
There is nothing to suggest that IFI cares about interracial marriage one way or the other.
http://www.illinoisfamily.org/search/default.asp?query=interracial +marriage&x=13&y=6
So, unless you have something to showing that proof of your suggestion exists, you are just being a ignorant bigot.
Merry Christmas.
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+clears throat+
Genesis 19:34
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Genesis 19:34
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
Genesis 19:35
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Remember, god only does not want it unless he says he wants it.
Ahh. A "don't let your guard down" story.
How fitting it be used in the context of the OP.
Well done, Tom. Define irony.
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well, define retard god.
you see buddy, they did that because they thought they were the only people left alive... so why didnt god go "uh, hey guys, you dont have to do that..."
It was date rape without the date.
They drugged him as effectively as if they had used a roofie. Then they raped him without his consent.
Lot did good not succumbing to temptations, but then let his guard down, trusted, and got violated against his will.
Such a fitting story in this thread. I'm glad you brought it up.
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buddy,
your god, by his own definition, allowed it, and wanted it to happen. you see, in his magic book of love and kindness, if a rape victim does not cry out, then she wants it and should be killed. therefore, because lot did not cry out, it was a ok.
I'm not a Christian.
I am not sure what you are talking about and I think that makes two of us.
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sorry,
assumed you were, my bad. moving on. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
tada.
Some things call for the death penalty.
Adultery is no longer one of those things, in our culture.
But I think we need to remember that these affairs are the affairs of man.
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so now its time for panic?
Just like removing legal restrictions on gay sex didn't destroy society, so to will removing legal restrictions on incest not bring about the destruction of society.
All that will happen is that the government will stay out of peoples bedrooms. The sexual activities of two consenting adults is not the governments business.
Who Cares?
Why is it any of your business? Because it opposes your religion? Oh wait, we all are technically products of incest if we're all descendants of Adam and Eve. Ohhhh, gotcha!!!!!
Ridiculous.
This is not a reason
"...is that these types of relationships are not inherently morally flawed whereas incestuous relationships between fathers and daughters are. "
Just saying, "It's wrong becuase it's wrong!" never works, YOU HAVE TO THINK. I understand the gross-out factor and I fully agree, but just because I think it's gross doesn't mean it should be illegal.
OK
I'll get ready. What do I have to do? Stock up on emergency supplies? Clear out my bank accounts and invest in gold? Clean and lubricate my guns ?
I do think that there is a very interesting and important issue here that deserves serious consideration, but I do not think that hysterical articles such as this do anything to address the issue in a meaningful and useful way. One question that the author did not address is even if incest was legalized, would the number of people actually engaging in it be large enough to have any effect at all on family life, marriage, etc.?
It is the same sort of argument used against gay marriage - that it will inevitably lead to disruptions in families and the instituion of "normal" marriage and lead to all sorts of social problems.That may be true, but until someone can come up with actual data and evidence, screeds like this will remian nothing more than paranoid fantasy and speculation intended to incite fear among the reading audience.
I live in Massachusetts where gay marriage has been legal since 2004 and as far as I can see, it has had absolutely no effect - positive or negative - on my "normal" marriage or anyone else's either. While I am personally not in favor of incest, I highly doubt that even if it was to be legalized, it would have any greater effect on social instituions than gay marriage has (i.e. something more than no effect at all) simply because it will never be practiced by a large enough number of people, despite what the author of this article and others like him may imply.