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Video: Kirk Cameron Says Homosexuality is "Unnatural" and "Destructive"
Former "Growing Pains' star, ex-Atheist and current born-again Christian Kirk Cameron appeared on 'Piers Morgan Tonight' last week where he called homosexuality “unnatural” (video below).
Cameron said, “I think that it's unnatural. I think that it's detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization. So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don't."
The former sitcom star said that if his children came to him and admitted that they were gay his response would be: “I wouldn't say 'That's great, son, as long as you're happy.' There are all sorts of issues we need to wrestle through in our life... Just because you feel one way doesn't mean we should act on everything we feel."
The gay and lesbian activist group GLAAD hit back with a statement: “Cameron is out of step with a growing majority of Americans, particularly people of faith who believe that their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters should be loved and accepted based on their character and not condemned because of their sexual orientation."
UPDATE: Kirk Cameron defends his anti-gay remarks in an email to ABC News.
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You made some respectable points there. I seemed on the web for the problem and found most people will go along with with your website. Carisoprodol Cavernous 411 Pain Attorney Generals Office Freshet 411 Pain Attorney Generals Office Clack
BTW, did anyone realize that
BTW, did anyone realize that Rush Limbaugh does NOT have any children? Married 4 times; no children. He goes to the Dominican Republic, with tons of viagra, where you are allowed to have sex with underaged children. It's been long, long, LONG rumored that he is also homosexual.
"In May 2004 Rush's third wife, Marta, grew tired of never having sex with her allegedly closeted homosexual of a husband, and so asked for a divorce. Limbaugh complied after his desperate wife agreed to never reveal the true nature of Rush's sexual perversion"
http://pssht.com/biography/rush_limbaugh.html
http://www.nndb.com/people/42
http://www.nndb.com/people/428/000022362/
"In June 2006, Limbaugh had further drug problems when a bottle of Viagra was found in his luggage at the Palm Beach Airport. The prescription was not in Limbaugh’s name, but no charges were filed against Limbaugh, who was returning from a vacation in the Dominican Republic with four male companions."
Hmmmmm.......
I found that article to be
I found that article to be quite interesting in that he condemns others for doing the same things that he has gotten away with, expects that there be one standard of acceptable behavior for himself and another for those others and refuses to take responsibility for his own words and actions.
Is this REALLY the kind of person you want representing ANY political party?
But Limbaugh is a topic for the thread on his ignorant lies about the contraception issue.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Funny thing, that. You would
Funny thing, that. You would think that such a staunch defender of the GOP version of Conservative policy, would want to respect marriage enough to not divorce.
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
This is classical "reaction
This is classical "reaction formation" from Freudian psychoanalysis. The people most threatened by homosexuality are the ones who are reacting to what they hate most in themselves.
For the rest of us who are not gay, we might be appalled when we are hit on by someone of the same sex, otherwise it just doesn't matter.
This is why I support gay rights - I am comfortable in my heterosexuality and don't view gay people as threats to me or mine. People are people. Who they sleep with is not my business if the act is between consenting adults.
I've been "hit on" by gay
I've been "hit on" by gay guys and with only one exception they have been very respectful and understood that NO means NO. My wife wishes that more straight guys respected and understood the "NO means NO" policy.
Kind of makes one wonder where our moral compasses are pointing when the ones that we, as a society, ostracize have more people within that group that are more respectful of others than those of our own group.
It makes me question who the "good guys" really are. Kirk Cameron, for one, could take a lesson from that, but he considers anything that exists in nature to be an abomination......unless it happens to be written in his version of the bible.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
I guess Kirk will take
I guess Kirk will take responsibility for the next gay person who commits suicide. Hope it's not his own son. That'll teach him.
It's hard for me to believe
It's hard for me to believe you actually said that....
I have to ask. Why do you
I have to ask. Why do you have problems believing what USMCVET said? Is it because you actually believe that Kirk Cameron will ACTUALLY hold himself accountable for his words and actions?
He is a modern day far right wing Christian that believes in a lot of idiotic things. So far, the people of his ilk have consistently blamed others for their mistakes, for their words and their actions.
I have family members that are of a wide variety of faiths, mostly Christian sects, and only one is as far gone as Cameron is. the rest hold themselves accountable by making sure that they don't say or do something stupid that they will regret; and when they do, they take accountability for it.
Some of us call that "being humble" and being honest. Isn't that one of the Qualities that the Christ myth promotes? (and yes, it is a myth; a retelling of much older tales from the Pagan religions in the Middle East and Northern Europe - see Odin, Gilgamesh, Horus for examples)
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Well, I wouldn't hope
Well, I wouldn't hope something that bad on him, but I do hope that he learns the error of his hateful and ignorant ways. Granted, I won't hold my breath on that one.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Every objective study ever
Every objective study ever done regarding homosexual behavior and its effects on individuals and society vindicate Cameron's beliefs. In fact, "beliefs" isn't really the right word when the facts bear out his views so overwhelmingly.
How about some links to those
How about some links to those "objective" studies? Or will the links show they were far from objective or perhaps not exist at all? So far you seem to have been far from truthful or intellectually and ethically honest.
You should have the moniker
You should have the moniker of liemonger. There are NO legitimate studies that bear out any truth to Kirk Cameron's ignorant views. NOT A SINGLE ONE THAT IS LEGITIMATE.
I am sure that the Christo-fascists have made up some "studies" that agree, but that is like their creationist "science experts", most all of which are simply con artists with a good-sounding shpiel.
Sounding right and being right are not the same thing and without facts to back you up, they are complete opposites.
LEGITIMATE study after study has shown that children raised by gay/lesbian couples have a higher tendency, than those raised by straight couples, toward tolerance of others, just as ONE point, and a significantly higher probability of growing up well adjusted than children raised in Christian or Muslim households.
Major institutes of higher education, such as Harvard, Cambridge, UCLA and others around the world have all come to the same conclusions; that being that the opinion of homosexuality, being a natural and genetic occurrence, does not make one a bad parent any more than being a genetic redhead, brunette or blonde does.
I'm not calling you a liar, but the SCIENCE IS CALLING YOU AND KIRK CAMERON AND THE RELIGIOUS WRONG A LIAR.
I'll trust science before I'll trust your religion. At least science has never let us down.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
"At least science has never
"At least science has never let us down." You're kidding right?
The Catholic Heretic
Tell you what. Let's compare
Tell you what. Let's compare the times science has let us down to the times religion has failed us. In the case of religion, it's easy. It fails every time, 100%. Now you point out when science has failed.
Yes, I do expect you to ignore or evade the question Your other alternative is to lie.
And let's address the bad
And let's address the bad things that science has created. Biological weapons, poisons, nuclear weapons, high explosives.....yes, those are all bad things, but they were developed by men who wanted to use the science to make weapons. And most of those men were "good Christian" men.
The church, according to it's ORIGINAL teachings was supposed to be about tolerance and acceptance and love and peace.
It is Christians that sought power, just like our current batch of GOP candidates, that twisted those lessons and perverted them into all of the bad things; intolerance, hatred, power-mongering, war-mongering, et al, that the church has become responsible for; the same things that YOU are defending; that Cameron is defending.
Like all dominionist Christians, you pick and choose which parts you want to believe in. That is a pretty shallow belief system when you can be considered a good person while being a hypocrite that contradicts your own religion's CORE values.
You can change that, though; the solution is simple.
Stop following the false prophets that your Jesus myth talks about and warns against following.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
No. I am not. The Church
No. I am not. The Church has a long and bloody history of failure of integrity, failure to respect human rights and dignity; maybe you never heard of the Crusades, the various wars against protestants by Catholics (and visa versa), the inquisition, the "requirement", the european and Salem witch hunts, the Maleus Malefecorum, and all of the other lesser events INSTIGATED by Christianity against others. Islam is intolerant of Christianity because Muslims have very long memories and the 3 Crusades were nothing but a church induced land grab for conquest and conversion. In that case, since Christians seem to forget, Jerusalem was the birthplace of Judaism. Christianity and Islam are just the bastard children of Judaism.
If those older histories are too much for you to look up, then let's mention groups such as the People's Temple (Jim Jones), the Branch Davidians, the WBC, DWOC, just to name a few.
Then there is also the LIE that is creationism/intelligent design/whatever name they are using this week to hide the lie. All of that is religion letting us down.
How about the fact that much of the scienctific and technological knowledge that we lost after the fall of Rome was due to the heresy laws created and enforced by the church.
Nicolas Cupernicus was threatened with death, by the church, under heresy laws (Christian sharia), for wanting to publish his findings that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe and that it revolved around the sun. He had those findings published while in his death bed. Da Vinci was imprisoned for heresy because of his studies of the human body, which helped advance medicine.
And those are just 2 examples of the church letting us down. Until a wise doctor (doctors are scientists, too) during the civil war noticed that scrubbing up before surgery reduced infections caused from surgery, doctors didn't do that. Thank SCIENCE for that, not religion. It was scientists that came up with all of the cures to diseases that we now shrug off or never have to deal with at all. Religion has fought those advances tooth and nail for centuries. Even opposing to the teaching of evolution science, which is a PROVEN fact (don't confuse the common use of the word theory with the scientific use of the word theory).
Religion has been used as an excuse to do harm more than science has. History shows that to be true. Religion has been used as the excuse for, wars of conquest, forced conversion,heresy laws (in Islam it would be sharia law-same thing, different name), allowing slavery, opposing blacks marrying, opposing inter-racial marriage, supported racial discrimination and even the Holocaust in Germany (you probably don't know that Hitler was a Christian, even though he was obsessed with the occult, as many Christians were in those days, and the Vatican was surreptitiously giving his efforts aid) and now opposing gay marriage.
The church, initially, had no problem with gay marriage and even sanctified such marriages. I believe that I posted links to those references in another post here.
Next time come to class prepared.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
How much do you want to bet
How much do you want to bet that your fact-filled post will be ignored by the religious reich here? That's their most common strategy, when presented with something they cannot handle, they like to pretend it never happened and declare, "Victory in the name of (some deity)!"
Recently I read this, "Debating a theist is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board, then struts around as if it had won." I have never heard this expressed better and wish I had thought of it.
Point well taken. As they
Point well taken. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
On the other hand, you can lead a Christian extremist to kool-aid AND he will willingly drink it.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Truthmonger? How ironic you
Truthmonger? How ironic you would have that for a fake name. You haven't posted any truths yet and have declined to offer proofs when requested. LMAO!
Name some of those studies?
Name some of those studies? Name some of your "facts". Prove that you are not a liar and a fool.
Ever wonder why the
Ever wonder why the homosexual have so many issues? Is it because they are one of the last groups on earth next to atheists and muslims who it is okay to hate? Could it be that they orders of magnitude more likely to be picked on by their peers and abused or abandoned by their parents? Could it be that right wing hate mongers such as yourself tell them they are evil from day one? Could promiscuity be a side effect of never being allowed to have a relationship out in the open for fear of persecution?
Kinda makes you go hmm.... Maybe the reason gays have so many issues is because people like you cause them.
To use a religious sounding
To use a religious sounding cliche' "Amen to that".
We ignorantly wonder why Israel is so hostile toward the NAZIS or the reason that blacks in this country play the "race card" so much, even to this day?
Same thing.
Any people; any group that has been the victim of subjugation and unwarranted hatred will do so. It becomes a defense mechanism. We can see that in the paranoia and distrust ingrained in the Russian people from the centuries of invasions that they went through long before Stalin and Marx came along.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
Good points, well said. As
Good points, well said. As an atheists since I was 13, I understand what it is like to be shunned, despised, and physically threatened by the ignorant and insecure.
I told my conservative
I told my conservative catholic parents when I was 14 that I was an atheist, and they made me go to church and to catholic high school anyway. My high school class knew as well when I openly questioned some of the absurdities my religion teachers were trying to cram down our throats. People tried to threaten me as well, but I was captain of our wrestling team and I knew how to box. I didn't win every fight, but I won most of the time and made it very painful for opponent even when I lost.
Today, it is much better. At least it is where my kids go to school. I believe the current generation will continue to make progress toward tolerance of all sorts.
Our backgrounds are very
Our backgrounds are very similar. I didn't "win" every fight, either. But the same person never tried it twice. No one attacks you if they think they are going to be hurt. The objective to to hurt you. When they discover the cost of winning, they may claim victory but avoid you after that. It was enough for me to be left alone. When we moved from Virginia to Alabama, I did learn to keep quiet about my atheism. Being left alone was enough for me.
It doesn't take a whole lot
It doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to look down in a mirror and figure out that there's are male parts and female parts, and which goes with which, and which don't. Religion aside, homosexuals and what they do is unnatural, and a perversion. Also it didn't take long for you liberals to show up to decry the statement of a recognized belief as "hate speech". If you say something it is because you have a right to say it. If someone says something you don't agree with, now it's "hate speech." What garbage. And there's nothing gay about homosexuality. Why don't you call it what it is?
IT doesn't take a whole lot
IT doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence or even "half a lot" to see that you are wallowing in bigotry, ignorance and hate.
Hey... if god had meant for
Hey... if god had meant for two men to have sex he would have put a hole in the middle of our asses... oh wait a minute. If god meant for two women to have sex he would have it simple too.... darn... that doesn't work either.
Homosexual behavior is very common in the animal kingdom. Google "bonobo social habits," to see a species very similar to humans and how they engage in homosexual behavior almost daily. The only thing unnatural about homosexuality is the obsession of the right wingers with trying to stamp it out of existence.
The best response to homosexuality is "who cares?" It shouldn't matter to you what two consenting adults do in the bedroom who are not involving you.
"I am straight, but I am not narrow."
I don't quote bumper stickers often, but I agree with that one.
Funny, I look down in the
Funny, I look down in the mirror (actually, I can just look straight down, I don't even need a mirror) and I see that my male parts fit in a number of different places of my fiance's female parts and some of those parts I fit in on her are the same types of parts that other males have. So, your argument about male and female parts matching up is completely ignoring a number of perfectly useful parts.
Please define "unnatural" for me. We've documented homosexual behaviors in several hundred other species and we've documented long term homosexual partnerships in over one hundred species both in the wild and captivity. So, I'm unsure how homosexuality could be called unnatural.
Even if we were to assume it's "unnatural" I don't see how that matters. Cars are unnatural. Plastic is unnatural. Most modern medicine is unnatural and certainly pacemakers and prosthetic's are very unnatural. Transplants are so unnatural that we have to take unnatural medication every day to keep our natural systems from destroying the transplanted organs. So, are you going to suggest that something's bad just because it's unnatural?
As for Kirk's statements, I don't consider it hate speech. It's just ignorant. If he does have a gay child I hope it opens his eyes to reality and he can see that his god would want him to love his child, not judge him for what he is. I always wonder why anyone gives a damn what any celebrity says.
You are right, it doesn't
You are right, it doesn't take a whole lot of intelligence to see those the difference between male and female parts, but it also takes absolutely NO intelligence to completely ignore the facts and evidence that we are part of nature and homosexuality is part of nature. of course, if you are a scientologist then you believe that we are not a part of nature and are therefore not constrained by it's genetic laws. I don't buy that stupidity either, since the EVIDENCE is overwhelming. You hate gays; we get that. After all what is more natural than the primitive attitude of "different is inferior and an enemy to our ways"? Sorry, but you lost you point on the reality that hatred of homosexuals is the same as hating people who are tall, short, black, white, Asian, female....need I go on? These are all things that a person is born as, JUST LIKE SEXUALITY. We don't get to choose, so, if you believe that you get a choice, at what age did you DECIDE to be straight? Or did you have a choice? If you say that homosexuality is an abomination against your "god", then explain why in "God's natural world" does it exist at all? You see where your logic is leading you? you are just trying to justify hate-mongering, the same as your kind tried to justify arranged marriages, slavery, opposition to blacks getting married, inter-racial marriage and why the church eventually stopped the practice of sanctifying gay marriage in the first place (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/02/03/418688/santorum-gay-marriage-privilege/) (http://www.care2.com/causes/lord-careys-fact-free-case-against-gay-marriage-examined.html) (http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html) (http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html).
BAd argument deserves evidentiary truth to combat it. And your religion has no right to impose it's prejudice on the rest of the nation. That one is covered by the 1st Amendment. The right of even gays to marry is covered under the 14th amendment. Read the Constitution more and your fatally flawed bible less and you may just learn something.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
I am sure that facts don;t
I am sure that facts don;t really mean much to you, but homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom, too. Such diverse specials such as penguins and dolphins, finches, and bats have all been commonly observed in it.
FYI, most of the things you like about the USA were proposed, and often demanded by "liberals". But perhaps paved roads, public parks, police and fire departments, and safety regulated food and water don't matter to you, either. Luckily for you, there is a place that exactly fits your attitudes towards these things. Its name is Iran. How soon do you want to leave? I'll even pay your way on the condition that you don't come back - ever.
Paved roads? FIRE
Paved roads? FIRE DEPARTMENTS? So the Democrat party was fully active in ancient Rome? LOL!!! You're the definitive proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.
Yes, as a matter of fact,
Yes, as a matter of fact, liberal agendas were very active in Roman times. For you, stubborn stupidity is firmly entrenched where your brain should be.
Your posts are definitive proof that you're a smug, no-nothing moron.
Actually, liberalism is most
Actually, liberalism is most strongly correlated with intelligence and higher education... you are helping to drive this point home.
How interesting...out of
How interesting...out of bland atheism into the hate stew of bible-thumpin Christianity.
Not an improvement.
It is called "conversion
It is called "conversion hysteria."
This is classical "reaction
This is classical "reaction formation" from Freudian psychoanalysis. The people most threatened by homosexuality are the ones who are reacting to what they hate most in themselves.
For the rest of us who are not gay, we might be appalled when we are hit on by someone of the same sex, otherwise it just doesn't matter.
This is why I support gay rights - I am comfortable in my heterosexuality and don't view gay people as threats to me or mine. People are people. Who they sleep with is not my business if the act is between consenting adults.
Right up until one of your
Right up until one of your kids gets AIDS from a bisexual, that is. But then again, you would probably consider it a badge of honor.
Actually, I'll be teaching my
Actually, I'll be teaching my kids to use condoms because anyone can have AIDS whether they're gay, bi or straight. Of course, if religious nuts would stop condemning gays and allow them all of the same legal protections that our constitution guarantees to everyone then they could have long term relationships in the open. They wouldn't have to live in the closet with an unsuspecting straight partner while running off to bath houses on the weekends. Virtually all of the problems in the gay community are the direct result of being excluded from society and condemned by ignorant bible thumpers like yourself.
Very true. When I go out, I
Very true.
When I go out, I feel more threatened by straight guys than gay guys. At least the gay guys won't be making any plays for my wife, where straight guys tend to be less "respectful" about existing relationships than gay guys tend to be, even the gay guys in homosexual relationships tend to be more respectful of relationships than straight guys do.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
GLAAD is out of step with
GLAAD is out of step with reality. There is no majority of Americans who support their agenda. It is the other way around. Hooray for Kirk Cameron - we need to see more people who are not afraid to express their opinion.
Wait, are you really saying,
Wait, are you really saying, "Hooray for the ignorant moron who attempted to use a banana (a selectively bred, human-created fruit) to prove that evolution couldn't exist?
I'm sure a TV-starring scientist, renowned for being a child star in a B-grade sitcom, is a very respected source of knowledge on...well, nothing.
Hmmm.... check the latest
Hmmm.... check the latest gallup data. You will find that for the first time ever, the majority of americans support gay marriage, and the biggest discrepancies are age based. Younger people have much larger margins of support. This means that it is not *if* gay marriage will be the law of the land but *when*.
Gallup says a lot of things.
Gallup says a lot of things. They never called me.
That's because they might so
That's because they might so a "rational thinking" check first.
This is called "sampling"
This is called "sampling" theory, and Gallup is one of the most respected polling organizations in the country - your ignorance not withstanding.
And you are only one person
And you are only one person in a nation of 313,131,565 people. They poll across a large demographic and draw their conclusions based on an average.
Had your statement had any real validity, or even some understanding of how these polls work, it may have been a good retort, but it falls flat in face of the fact that you, like everyone else, are just 1 small fish in a VERY VERY LARGE pond.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.
You have it so wrong as to be
You have it so wrong as to be out of touch with reality.
Kirk Cameron, the devout born-again (I guess he wasn't born right the first time) Christian and believer in Creationism. Exactly what does he know? Nothing. He has no scientific knowledge, no Empirical knowledge, no qualifications that give his extremist religion-based opinion any validity and no evidence of an legitimate sort to back up his claims.
He is using a religion, that originally sanctioned gay marriage (http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html)(http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html) and has since fallen prey to false prophets (didn't Jesus warn against following false prophets?) and an anti-fact/anti-science agenda that would happily turn this nation into another collapsed "Roman empire" and return us to the same period of ignorance that Europe suffered from during the dark ages.
Society changes and those that are incapable of adapting eventually die off.....that also supports evolution, which is another subject in which Kirk Cameron does not believe the scientific evidence.
He's an idiot wrapped in a moron covered in Jesus sauce.
The insanity principle is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. The far right, the far left, vegans, creationists and other extremists believe in the insanity principle, religiously.