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End of the World? When May 21, 2011 Backfires

There are in the world thee monotheistic religious traditions. The largest, called 'Christianity', started as a single monolith sometime around two thousand years ago, but now compromises thousands of different denominations, large and small. They all have different, competing versions and visions of the same claim which is: 'we' have understood the mind of God!

These claims, often embellished with layer upon layer of historical tradition are not easy to penetrate. The second thing they all have in common, is that in spite of their conviction of having a 'hotline' to the almighty, not one has ever been able to offer any demonstrable prediction of that divine will. A number have tried yet always without success. And every time it happens, the failure demonstrates just how dead, stone cold that hotline has gone. They are all dressed in the emperors new clothes.

The anomaly should be obvious to all, but even love is not as deaf, dumb and blind a religious conviction. In the modern world, we have become used to having claims demonstrate themselves by the active process of trust called faith, a process that offers a result upon which to make a judgement. In all aspects of life, everything from from our human relationships to scientific and commercial claims.

Trust in action, called faith exposes what works and what doesn't, what's true and what fails the test. That any sphere of intellectual intention, which makes claims to understanding, should demand and expect to be outside this intrinsic accountability for those claims, sits uneasily today for a growing part of humanity. Yet this is what religion demands.

If proof of the profound 'unknowing' of that potential called God were necessary, one Harold Camping, an American evangelical and radio broadcaster, is about to make it crystal clear once again; he has fixed the date for the return of Christ and something called the 'rapture' for May 21 2011. Given that no attempt to fix a time or date, for any act of God, by any religious or tradition has ever proved correct, may be why so very few ever attempt it now and risk the considerable humiliation when the bubble of their credibility bursts so publicly, demonstrating to all their own illusions and which itself may provide a general insight into the efficacy of the claims religious make for themselves.

An earlier attempt by this same wannabe prophet to predict Christ's return already failed in 1994. According to him, because of a mathematical error of  calculation. As if God were subject to mathematics? And while old traditions may snigger, they wouldn't dare make any similar prediction of their own. Such is the empty confidence they have in their own 'understanding'. They rely on 'tradition' to obscure that fact.

But lets humour the idea for the moment and consider. There are so many potential implications to muse over: If such an event ever does take place in our lifetimes, the 'Apocalypse' that the religious promise will rain down on the rest of us is much more likely to land on their own heads first, hard and heavy! First of all, 'Christian' institutional forms have been cracking up in disagreement for the whole of their history. Beginning with the origins of the Roman church, unresolved divisions started even with the choice of scriptural material that was was later to become known as the Bible. However suggestive scripture material may be, there is no recorded document or teaching of a specific 'revelation' ever being passed on to anyone by Christ or his followers. Most likely because it was always an oral tradition, a moral teaching, to be shared privately between individuals.

In the modern world, religious claims and false prophets are a dime a dozen. And however one may pay a politically correct lip-service respect to them, history continues to slowly pull the rug out from any creditability they might pretend to. Whether pedophile priests, acts of terrorism, false prophecies or dangerous intolerance, the foundations of all religious claims remain questionable. I don't intend making a case here against the potential for God nor in favour of atheism, but have no hesitation about openly questioning the efficacy of religion as we have understood that term via history. For if there is a God, tradition, instead of bringing us closer, has taken our minds and lost them among the obscurantism of scholastic theology!

The Christian religion as we know it in all of its forms, ancient and modern, is a theological construct. A human intellectual attempt to comprehend the mind of God. Theology therefore only exists because whatever Christ taught in ancient times is unknown, was lost and nothing has been revealed since. The question is this: is theology, upon which all of Christian/Judeo tradition is founded even a valid human intellectual endeavour? Or just the height of human intellectual pretensions, arrogance, spiritual vanity and folly? Probably. For that reason history has chronicled 'tradition' breaking, from the inability to agree on the nature of meaning, into thousands of pieces one can observe today. And anyone, priest, scholar or private individual, who opens up a Bible and thinks they have 'understood' is playing the theology game, and falls into the same trap. And that game may not be as harmless as it might appear.  

Whatever knowledge or insights might be embedded and hidden among the metaphor, allegory and parables of scriptures, Whether that recored is even complete, it is obvious that natural reason has been unable to penetrate it's secrets. However, these ancient texts are unambiguous about one thing. With more that two hundred references, both direct an indirect, warnings of false  teaching, false witness, lying interpreters, anti-Christs and of course the arch deceiver, unexposed and presumable at large, there must be in the world individuals, organisation and institution teaching falsely in the name of Christ.

So any true revelation must provide a path for human reason to follow, leading to understanding and the difference between what is from God and what is not, so a right choice to be made among so many completing claims. That 'key' and essential insight is what has been missing from all of religious history. As all tradition is theological, and all is without this key, what can be true if no one is false? But is it possible that everything we have come to understand as theologically based 'religion' is simply institutionalised wishful thinking?

Even the name 'Christ' is problematic. We are so used to hearing the expression 'Jesus Christ' as if this were a first and second name. When in fact, the word 'Christ' is a title for the 'one who reveals'. The bottom line is that if a second coming should take place in any form, what must be among the first priorities for such personage is to expose those whose claims are no better than chasing after wind. And to do so, such a person could very well 'reveal' a message at odds with all existing orthodoxy?

Things could get very interesting confronting an entire history of human spiritual self deception. No doubt there will be much gnashing of teeth. Imagining the fall of two thousand years of intellectual and institutional form would be nothing short of revolutionary. But maybe such a revolution is necessary to force a critical self scrutiny of the human condition on a humanity that avoids confronting or considering it's own limitations, and exposing our 'system default' to gullibility and vanity might offer a useful lesson in humility.

So the idea of 'rapture' is down the drain and could quickly become an unexpected nightmare for the religious.  A second Christ is not going to welcome any form of 'theological' based truth or faith, but come to expose it!  If that is the case, what might the nature or character of a true revelation be that could distinguish itself so clearly from all human theology, dogma and doctrines?  That missing 'key' is the answer.

The very thing history has tried for centuries to convince us cannot exist: What science, religion, philosophy, theology, psychology, Hawkins or Dawkins thought impossible, a teaching that was itself a fully demonstrable proof of the living God. A teaching that by an act of faith is directly confirmed by that absolute reality. A teaching that delivers the first ever religious claim of insight into the human condition that meets the Enlightenment criteria of verifiable, direct cause and effect, evidence based truth embodied in experience. A moral teaching that represented a paradigm change in the nature of faith and in the moral and intellectual potential of human nature itself;  untangling the greatest  questions of human existence: sustainability, consciousness, meaning, suffering, free will and evil.  

Take a deep breath and think about it for a moment. There is nothing in scripture that contradicts such an iconoclastic idea, and much to support it. Only existing theological traditions don't have such a proof to offer. And as they have throughout history provided the dominant body ideas that make up our conception of God, ironically, none have done more to discredit the very idea of God than religion. It is no wonder that reflective, thinking individuals are now leaving religion in droves, atheism is on the rise and religious ideas are coming under increased critical scrutiny from outside.

There are few things other than the secular nation state that have been as destructive and divisive among humanity as religion. The opportunity to resolve the God question, should that opportunity ever exist, must be at the top of any dream list for Progressives. Even if that means questioning what has never been questioned before, beginning with ourselves as  species. The final act of that ongoing tragi/comedy we call civilisation may very well be for humanity to discover the greatest roadblock to progress, other than human nature itself, has been and is religion.

For all our idealism, neither secular nor religious thought have provided the values to reach out and satisfy the greatest longings of the human soul, have failed to deliver an enduring peace, quench our thirst for a higher justice or secure a  sustainable materialism. We have the dream but not the means. What has held those aspirations prisoner is rarely imagined, but if the catalyst with the necessary authority to realise the Dream were ever revealed, who would care enough to act?  Unfortunately, the world has usually preferred the soft, the easy and more convenient paths of intellectual vanity, political correctness and spiritual confectionary than the honesty and courage to confront human nature itself.

The 'world' is what we've made it and that's a pretty big mess. I wouldn't mind seeing the 'end' of it! If that simply means accepting a little help from above as the price for certain progress. But first we need to discover and know the difference between the illusions of men and the mind of God…. absolutely.

Without doubt, nothing is going to happen on May 21 2011 Existing religion is a human fabrication founded upon a vain intellectual imagination, yet the aspirations they represent are both real and mostly sincere and deserve better then the existing empty hope traditions offers. What might happen if they were pointed in the right direction? Our understanding of ourselves and our universe is far from complete. For all it's pretensions, science has little voice in the God question, but in demanding the scrutiny of any claims, visible or invisible, they are spot on. Should a time ever come, when the human imperative is to escape the gravity of our own thought, having as little prejudicial baggage to dump, religious or secular, could be a considerable advantage!    

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RashiBenAnshul's picture

Reset

Are we going Camping again on October 21 (or is it October 22)? Whichever it is, I am extremely grateful to Reverend Camping because he is holding off the fireball of destruction until after the Jewish Holidays. I am certain that the Jewish Jesus will be grateful.

stockball's picture

Rev Fred?

Where are you, Rev Fred? I was so looking forward to your post May 21 posts?

Happy-Atheist's picture

ALL Christians are DELUSIONAL


ALL Christians are DELUSIONAL

The crazy thing is that OTHER Christians will say that Harold Camping was CRAZY when really he believes essentially the same things as most Christians: that a person named Jesus actually existed and actually was god who had himself put on earth inside of a virgin so that he could later be tortured and die and then come back as a zombie so that only then he himself could forgive us for being the way that he created us to be, rather than just forgiving us without anyone innocent having to be tortured first, or just acknowledging that there's nothing evil about humans that needs to be forgiven in the first place.

Like MANY other Christians, Harold Camping believes that this Jesus zombie will come again to bring about the destruction of the world. Just that Harold Camping has enough conviction to actually put a date on when he thinks it will happen (which other Christians think makes him crazy) whereas other Christians just spent thousands of years saying that this delusional idea is going to happen "soon" (and they think that makes them sane).

Religion = delusional fantasies.

God = Santa Claus for grown-ups.

Skolar's picture

Invisible entities

Your prayers won't make any difference except perhaps to reinforce your delusion that some supernatural being is listening as you talk to yourself.

This "lost forever" line is pitiful. Lost where? We are here, now, all 6 billion of us. We only have one life and this is it.

Time spent reading old books trying to plan your afterlife is totally futile.

Why do Christians spend so much time and effort thinking about being dead? Being alive is much more fun!

SolarSanitizer's picture

That's the problem with false hope.

Makes people jaded and cynical. Worse, if they invested heavily in that false hope.

It IS sad.

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SolarSanitizer's picture

Or hoping desperately to meet their God.

"Looking foolish" must certainly be a small drawback compared to the promise of meeting one's God.

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SolarSanitizer's picture

Sure about that?

"[J]ust wanting to believe something has never been enough to truly sway ones mind."

Sounds like the recipe for faith. Wishful thinking DOES sway people's opinions. Take presidential politics, for another example. Wishful thinking plays a huge part in who gets elected.

"Hope and Change?" Really?

"Compassionate Conservatism?" Really?

People want to believe, so vehemently, that reason flies out the window.

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Deadphil's picture

PEOPLE I NEED HELP!!

Ok so the orld will end in about 2 days and i don't know what movies i should watch last before it happens any suggestions, also what should i do? i'm getting bored and don't want this to happen while i'm playing jenga with my dog because i was so bored

Nave1027's picture

wow

I am absolutely sick of hearing the phrases "you're going to hell is a statement to make you feel bad to give the church more money". GIVING MONEY TO THE CHURCH WILL NOT KEEP YOU OUT OF HELL. Not going to hell isn't even the main goal of the christian faith it is a relationship with Jesus Christ. If you are going to post comments like that post them about a specific church or about the past dealings of the catholic church! Not about all pastors or christianity as a whole! Do some research and talk to a real christian or read the bible to find out the real basis of the christian faith. Stop looking at worldly business models and ideas!

alyoop48's picture

AMEN! :)

AMEN! :)

:)

Skolar's picture

Preachers don't teach

Church leaders take advantage of superstitious people by telling them what they want to hear then accepting donations.

What you learned from your teacher is whatever fairy story he thought you would swallow.

Nobody needs saving from eternal hell. That's just a threat to make you feel bad so you will give more to the church.

Organized religion has only ever been about the money. Have you really looked into the wealth that is concentrated in the Vatican, or the Mormon Church, or the personal assets of TV Evangelists, or Harold Camping?

stockball's picture

that brings an interesting question

How much IS Camping worth, do you know? Did he spend all his money promoting this, since logically, if he really believes it, that's what he should do?

Skolar's picture

Money in the bank

celebritynetworth.com (which must be accurate because it's a website...) shows Camping at $25m.

Only two days to go and Family Radio is still accepting donations, in 83 languages!

stockball's picture

heh heh

Good comment on the accuracy of websites...I did notice it looks like we can still donate to Family Radio, although they are no longer accepting applications for some programs...wonder if those will re-launch come May 22nd. Or maybe Camping and a few close followers plan to go into hiding on May 21st and pretend like they were raptured...

Skolar's picture

Tea leaves

The term “false prophesy” implies that the term “true prophesy” exists. What errant nonsense!

Big events happen because people make them happen, or sometimes because of the weather.

Religious prophesies belong in the same basket as horoscopes, crystal balls, Nostradamus, tarot cards and palm reading.

All tall tales to fool the gullible.

Nave1027's picture

?

There is no documentary that disproves the existence of God. There are documentaries that show how the universe was made. Who's to say that isn't how God made it? Through a slow process. No one knows the truth and If you want to get technical about stuff look in to mathematics and science . Math is a minor branch of science, probability is a minor branch of math. What is the probability that all of this happened by chance? I'm not saying that you are wrong or if the documentaries that you are watching are wrong, but I'm not saying that they are factual either. Were those historians and scientists there when "the big bang" happened? No so they can't actually with 100% accuracy say that that is true. There are no documentaries that prove the existence of God but there are also none that disprove it.

Nave1027's picture

Stop giving us absolutes

I have read many of the comments posted. Some are stupid and irrelevant and some are ignorant. I agree that this prophecy is false just like many in the past and it is a bad representation of the christian faith, however please stop posting ignorant comments. No one knows everything or the truth about our existence. It all comes down to what you believe in and what you put your faith in. "Jesus has had 2000 years to make a comeback.." umm he doesn't have to make a comeback he did that 2000 years ago when he died on the cross for our sins. You want evidence? Research the Shroud of Turin. And I'm also pretty sure I can think for myself. I've had a 4.0 GPA throughout high school and will be valedictorian for my class very soon. I have a background in knowing about many religions and history and I haven't quoted the bible once in any of my arguments. So I'm pretty sure I can think for myself Skolar. Also I'm not quoting from a book of desert nomads or sheepherders that's only half of the bible it's called the Old Testament and its maily filled with Jewish customs, laws, and manuscripts. I'm mainly focused on the Gospels and all of the New Testament. It was written in the time of Roman rule. Which was a highly advanced society and it stood as a comparison to a present day America. So get your facts straight before you start telling me and others that we are "quoting" from a book of sheep herders. The point I am trying to get to is that some of you should stop giving me and others absolutes because no matter what you believe none of us knows for sure what actually is the truth no matter how sure of yourself you are. The May 21, 2011 prophecy is not what the christian faith is about I assure you I do not believe in it and I agree with many of you. I will be standing here on May 22, 2011. And who knows if God decides to come back I know where I will be going. Do you?

Skolar's picture

You know where you're going

So I assume this means you know you aren't going to hell?

Christians always come back to this. If they go to church and give money they think they will go to heaven rather than be eternally punished for being sinful.

Camping is collecting millions from a scam which at it's heart is just like every other christian organization. Predict horrific tortured death for millions then accept donations for salvation.

There are always enough frightened feeble minded believers to make this work, and the money comes tax-free!

Nave1027's picture

No

Yes I know I am not going to hell. I do not know if I am going to heaven. As I have said over and over again I cannot be sure. And I am not "coming back to this" I'm not condeming anyone to hell by any means. And I am not going along with Camping's prophecy. That is not what the christian faith is about. And is every church like that? Absolutely not. We as christians are not supposed to go to church and give money to go to heaven. You don't even have to go to church to go to heaven. All you have to do is accept Christ and believe in him. So again you are making ignorant comments about the Christian faith as a whole. Maybe churches you have seen or been to have done this. I know that this is the exact model of the catholic church and always will be but it is not a basis for the christian faith. And when I said I know where I will be going I meant that I will be going to heaven when I die because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I am happy to share the gospel with anyone who wants to know it. You are wrong in saying that every other christian organization is a scam. Harold Camping is a false prophet and is making millions off of this scam but not every christian organization is like this and not all "christians" are the same.

scallywag's picture

A personal redemption

Never mind, come next week- the world will be destroyed and gone, or at least it will be for one man who will be putting himself in harm’s way now that he has spent his entire savings on his own crusade. But then again, maybe that’s what the whole campaign is really all about- resurrecting one man’s sense of self before he ultimately leaves the world.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/05/man-spends-entire-retirement-savings-on-may-21-end-of-world-doomsday-coming /

mhphoto's picture

Wait…

Wait just a minute…

So this means I only get 4 days to play L.A. Noire!?

DAMNIT!!

Skolar's picture

War dead

Even a conservative estimate of those killed in wars over the last 100 years is well over 100,000,000. They died violently, in pain, often after long periods of merciless physical abuse and fear. Doesn't seem to me that god loved them at all.

Nobody will "go" next week in any imaginary rapture, unless they kill themselves from disappointment when they realize that the May 21 story was all a con.

It is easy to convince superstitious people that "scholars" like Camping who read the bible a lot must know all the answers. Rubbish. You can all read as well as the priests. Start at Numbers 31 - lots of war dead there by order of Moses, the greatest mass murderer of the ancient world.

Skolar's picture

Think for yourself

Quoting an old book is never an argument for or against anything. If these words were spoken at all then it all happened so long ago that it is completely irrelevant. Jesus has had 2,000 years to make a comeback and certainly won't appear next week either. You will be able to figure that one out for yourself when you are still here after the rapture.

On May 22nd you really should start thinking on your own instead of letting "bible scholars" do it for you, or wasting your life reading the fictitious past of ancient desert tribes.

Prettyold's picture

Harold Camping WRONG AGAIN

This Old man Harold Camping is not a Christian AT ALL. He was kicked out of the Church 15 years ago. He is spending 4 million dollars to Promote his May 21 End of the world nonsense. He is destroying families SEE HERE http://haroldcamping-21.blogspot.com/2011/05/harold-camping-ruining-families-in-name.html

SEA21's picture

Praise his noodley goodness

Thankfully ,I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I think this will save me from eternal damnation on May 21st.

stockball's picture

I think...

I saw that monster in "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs"...

Skolar's picture

Scenery

I am looking out onto my garden. Blue sky, birds in the tress. All my children are healthy. No military with machine guns on the street corners in the local town. Everything looks fine to me. Try turning off the web for a while and go on a picnic with some friends. The world is wonderful. Enjoy it without sifting through bad news stories to fuel your depression.

Rashi180's picture

18 more days

In another 18 more days there will be no more Opposing Views. Everyone and no one will agree. It will be just like that Benjamin Disraeli quote about marriage, "All women should marry, and no man."

stockball's picture

I'm rooting for it

Just had a house purchase fall through...but since in 12 days I won't need a house, anyhow, I'm not gonna worry about it LOL

Rashi180's picture

Canonization

If the world ends on May 21, the most logical action (according to all of this stuff) would be to nominate RevFred for sainthood. Makes as much sense as May 21, doesn't it?

stockball's picture

If the world ends on May 21...

Then who will be left to nominate him?

Rashi180's picture

Responding

Responding to a stupid idea with another stupid idea shows how stupid the original idea was. At any rate, I am certain that Casper the Holy Ghost would nominate him.

JohntheRevelator2011's picture

Perdictions

Next!!!!!! Waiting on the next perdiction. I do not know what to believe this is getting old people. GET A LIFE! Get your Story Straight this is getting cold fast. God is the only one who knows when he will have enough and we will know times will be near when we know and see the antichrist and fight with him for seven years or die trying. New story please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sycamore13's picture

just don't get it

I really just don't see why everyone bothers with saying the end of the world is gonna end on such and such dates...look at how many times people have been wrong

harold camping in 1994, arnie stanton wrong in 1997, charles spiegel was wrong for saying the world would end in 2001, william cooper was wrong, pope john XXIII...WRONG,micheal drosnin, robert miller, monte kim miller, yisreal hawkins, hon-ming chen, charles criswell king, j.r. dobbs, edgar cayce, marylin agee, vladimir sobolyovhas, stan johnson, james ussher, sheldon nidle, john hinkle, f.m. riley...all wrong and thats only since 1994!!!! The world won't end....And also those people who believe the myan calender ending in 2012...your wrong as well....just like every other calender it starts over....don't believe me....dig in to it

whoami's picture

another one bites the dust

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

how many ppl will get it wrong.
is it this year or 2012

only me's picture

Forgiveness

I have a serious couple of questions to those that truly believe we are to go through this 'living hell' for 6 months starting 21.05.11. I am no Bible expert, but do know a few little bits and bobs.

1) Doesn't the Bible itself say that God can and will forgive us our sins? If he does, then when we are all begging for his mercy living the days after 21.05.11 why will he not forgive us?

2) We are taught that God is in everything on earth, so if he destroys all the flowers, butterflies etc, is he not in fact destroying himself?

3) When our ancestors have passed, at their funerals we are more or less told by Priests/Ministers that they will be in Heaven. Some of our ancestors will have sinned more than us, so why are they now in Heaven whilst we are going to be 'rejected'?

4) Assuming that from what you say, it will only by those that believe in the end being 21.05.11 that will be 'saved' what about wonderful, kind, humanitarians that don't, or are from a different religion? Will God turn them away?

5) If you take the 1000 years as one day in this instance, do you take it that every day mentioned in the bible means 1000 years? If so, Jesus was resurrected 3 days after his death, does that mean 30 days or 3000 years? In which case we have not experienced the resurrection yet, nor will we until 3000AD, so why is that 'scheduled' for after the world ends?

6) Didn't Jesus say 'forgive them Father for they know not what they do'? Why has he suddenly changed his entire persona?

Not meant to trick or trip anyone up by the way, just straight forward, please answer type stuff as for me, at this moment, it makes no sense! Thanks.

MattHarold's picture

Let me say...

I don't believe in that May 21 stuff. I believe that nobody will knows when Christ comes again until He does. But let me just answer some of your questions.

1) It's true that God will forgive sins (1 John 1:9) but after the Rapture is the Tribulation where God's wrath will strike the world. God has given us grace for all humanity and during this grace period (which we are still in today) man can ask Jesus to come into their heart and live a life for Christ. During the Tribulation God is giving man one final chance to accept Jesus. He will still forgive after the Rapture.

2) I believe this refers to God's omnipresence. God is everywhere at one time He can see all things and watches over us all the time. He doesn't necessarily destroy Himself.

3) I don't know what Camping's teaching about 'rejected' that's just un-Bibilical to the fullest. Our ancestors may have sinned more than us but if they have accepted Christ in their hearts then they WILL go to Heaven, we will not if we do not accept Christ. Like I said in (1) God still gives those that don't believe one final chance.

4) Those 'wonderful, kind, humanitarians' will be turned away by God if they never accepted Christ. (Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Every single person has sinned (except Jesus Christ) and it takes only one sin to "fall short of the glory of God". Being a good person doesn't mean you go to Heaven. The only way to get to Heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ into your heart.

5) Camping takes that out of context. The "1000 years as one day" means that God will deliver His plans for us in His own way in His own time not according to when we expect His plans to come or according to our time. The Bible says that no one can know when christ shall come.

6) Jesus did say that but like I said in (1) God is still giving us grace in this period for us to ask His forgiveness and get saved. Man's final chance is after the Rapture.

Well, there's some answers to your questions. Sorry if it's a little unclear you can message me if you want. There's still a lot more to add to my answers but I didn't want to add too much.

Skolar's picture

Out of date

Why do so many people reach for an old book written by sheep herders? Quoting the bible just shows you can't think for yourself. It's been over 700,000 days and counting. Jesus is NOT coming back. Get a life!

Nave1027's picture

There is no date.

I agree that they should get a life and stop making predictions. However the Bible was not written by sheep herders. It was written by numerous scholars and people who witnessed some of the events so get your facts straight before you make ignorant comments like that. And second of all, you don't know if he is coming back or not. No one does. I am a strong christian but I cannot say 100% that God exists. Who knows? Maybe Muslims are right, maybe Jews, or Hindus. Or maybe all of this did happen by chance and there is no purpose.
Like I said no one knows for sure if he is coming back or not, it's called faith. Maybe you should try it and stop telling us that you know he is NOT coming back and for us to get a life. Maybe you should get one yourself before critcizing others.

Skolar's picture

No credibility

Faith is stating publicly that you believe in something that defies any common sense and cannot be backed up by any physical evidence. Children have faith in a range of magical beings but that doesn't make them real either. Speaking of scholars, any reasonable definition would be that they are people who study the evidence and report on it. There was no evidence available to study for the Genesis story. The "scholars" (sheep herders) just made stuff up about a magic garden and a talking snake. That's not evidence, that's imaginative literature. No credibility there at all. The Christian Church is a business model not a religion. Priests tell superstitious people what they want to hear about "the afterlife" then accept money in return. If your local carnival fortune teller was 100% wrong 700,000 times in a row would you keep paying?

Nave1027's picture

Good Argument

You make a compelling argument. You are right in a lot of what your last comment said. Not all churches are a business model. The Catholic Church has been in the past. They sold indulgences to "get people into heaven". But that is not what the christian faith is about. Some churches are not business models and some certainly do not make false prophecies as this one. And that is not all of the book of Genesis. And who knows? Maybe you are right about all this and my faithbis just a business model. But I am not going by tge world's definition of faith im going by mine. Would rather accept Christ and live a decent life and find out that there was no heaven or a God, than to not accept Christ and gind out that I was wrong. I am not trying to offend or shove my faith down your throat. I respect what you believe. Just making a point and stating my opinion. Good argument though.

eftfree's picture

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You are right that there are many religious nuts in the world. But that doesn't make everyone who believes in a real God some kind of intellectual misfit. The most decent and honorable people I have ever met in my 56 years have been people who truly believe the teachings of the Holy Bible. Sure there are those who just want to try and prove they have some special knowledge about God that the rest of us aren't able to grasp. But the real teachings of the Bible and of Christ tell us to care about our fellow man and to be good Husbands and good Wife's, to treat people with respect, not to lie or cheat or to steal to give a honest days work to the people that hire us. The Bible tells us to pay our taxes and to honor the laws of the land to be proud of our country. Don't know about you but I would like to have coworkers and relatives and neighbours and leaders of our nation who still put this kind of religious belief into practice. Would be a totally different life style than what we see for the most part today. There is one thing that is for sure all of us are going to die and what ever lies beyond the grave we will all face. Sure makes more sense to me too live this life that the Bible and Christ have taught us to live and have a good life. Rather than just taking a chance that when we die there is no God and that we want have to be accountable to Him for the life we lived.

I have read the predictions about may 21st. Men have been making these predictions since the beginning, the question is not when will the end come but are you ready to met God no matter when the end is.

Boxed Merlot's picture

150 years from now

Your response to this issue is reasoned and practical. As creatures, we are limited by our impending deaths from ultimate knowledge of the future.
I also have read the predictions and have spent many hours listening to the bible on CD for years in my commuting. The more I learn, the less I know. The less secure I become in my own being, the more reliant I become on the source of my being. This approach has provided me more comfort than ever.
Spending time walking through cemeteries certainly helps me gain perspective too. 150 years from now will see that I will have been dead far longer than I will have been alive. And I am certainly not unique.
It reminds me of a line attributed to John Piper that most of his best friends are dead men.

only me's picture

How Much

In donations has Camping received I wonder? I know he doesn't charge for his book, so many say he has to be genuine, but, how the heck did he afford the tour busses etc? Donations! So, no, I don't think he's a nutjob, quite the opposite, a very clever but deceiving businessman!

Now, his calculations are based on this one day with God as a thousand years. If you read Genesis, Noah lived for over 600 years, so 600 x 365days in a year = 219,000 days x 1000 years if that really is one day, makes the lovely Noah 219,000,000 when he passed away. Humour me here but honestly? I mean WOW! Yes, I am being a tad sarcastic, but you see what I mean!

Now, of course there is a God or higher being - for all its glory and intellect, even science cannot explain what created the universe, the gasses that could have created the universe etc, and something has to have started it all off. What that is, not one person living will ever know, nor will they know if the Bible is accurate, totally made up, cryptic clues or anything else.

Live by your own morals and by the rule don't do it to others if you don't want it done to you and you won't go too far wrong, even if by some chance May 21st is our grisly end!

And as for Mr Camping - well - how about he donates some of his donations back to society for hospitals, the homeless etc rather than running round the country in a luxury tour bus? That in my mind at least would make him a better human being and one that shows the compassion that should go hand in hand with Christianity.

stockball's picture

and besides...

Obviously he won't need any money as of May 21, so if he doesn't give away every cent he has by May 20, does that completely expose him as a hypocrite?

wakeuppeople1971's picture

people wake up

all that needs to be said is this the phrase no one knows the hour or day except the father is most obvious it is telling you to be true to the lord our god and that someday when he feels enough is enough the world as we know it will end and there will be peace for 1,000 years that is enough said but just like politics this is an man made arguement that will never end so to all people do not believe any predictions by man just stay true to the lord and avoid temptations by evil and someday you will be with the lord....AMEN

Rashi18's picture

This is exciting

I am so excited about May 22. It is going to be the day after the world was supposed to end. I can't wait to read the assinine excuses about why May 21 was incorrect. I am so certain that these have been written. What a bunch of ultra-maroons! The term, maroon, comes from cartoons. Draw your own conclusions, and please make them animated.

stockball's picture

my May 22nd prediction...

Is that RevFred et al will never post here again.

Deadphil's picture

One day late

Great, the world ends on the 21st but my Birthday is on the 22nd. Damn it. Also what ever happened to the world ending in 2000/1999? or 2012?

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