Drug-Friendly Netherlands to Close 8 Prisons -- Not Enough Crime

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So, whose drug policies are keeping the streets safer?

Well obviously the Dutch, I think the article should also mentioned how many prisons the state of California has. interesting though that they are closing eight prisons, while America keeps building them.

Time to move to move to a free country.

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that if the police were allowed to go into the muslim-controlled zones, they could find lots of crime .

But, I guess that's how you deal with slavery, rape, childmolestation and murder in the netherlands, isn't it?

Just turn your eyes away.

Thank you for that review of the conditions in the Netherlands. And with California in such a budget crisis -- not that money should be the only reason -- it's wonderful to have this information floating this way. Someone actually might understand the smarter consequences of legalizing drugs. We spend so much on keeping "criminals" fed and housed, with hardly any rehab possibilities, so many because of our laws on drugs. Hello? And at the same time imprisoning completely non-violent people for doing a non-violent thing. What would happen if we legalized all drugs, taxed the sale of them, and simply educated and inspired those who rely on drugs to heal their mental and emotional selves? Well, we would have millions of dollars more, the cartels would disappear into dust, and we wouldn't have the expenses of taking care of people who just wanted to have a better time in life. Yes, we have a lot to learn from The Netherlands.

I probably spent 30 minutes reading this thread, and its sad but most of what was written is true - both by my fellow citizens and those from other countries.

So what do we have besides iPhones, Google, the Super Bowl and Lady Gaga? Here's my summary:
1. a huge military-industrial complex allied with big Oil that is unlikely to stop spending tens of billions a year in the Middle East and think nothing about the ongoing death, crippling IED casualties, and post traumatic stress syndrome of servicemen. I've raised funds for the wounded warrior foundation, and its just crazy how much need they have for support because they can't get their rehab needs met by the military when they come home with no legs.

2. a huge domestic prison-police-ATF-DEA-FBI complex (and its growing crime -reality TV empire) greasing our Congress to continue to grow the incarceration nation. Not only do they suck our state budgets dry, but find more things to cite you for with ever more expensive fines. I was pulled over a few months ago and written a ticket simply for not wearing my seat belt! We can thank Mothers Against Drunk Driving for that (btw, I was sober and committed no other violations, but had just hopped in my car and pulled out from a gas station and the cop was behind me, ridiculous). MADD- yet another organization that once had a purpose and now just thinks up new laws to lobby for.

I saw a reality show a few nights ago on cops in Kentucky searching the forest for pot plants - helicopters, ATV's, AR15 assault rifles, squads of officers - and they'd show them find maybe a clump of 15 plants in a small clearing, later on, 20 more somewhere else. One agent says, "no way Kentucky will ever legalize." Guess I'd say the same thing if I got paid to play with those toys every day. Is that a good return on our tax dollar? No way in hell.

3. Zero follow through on hammering the bankers and Wall Street houses that precipitated the most recent crash. Obama likes the financial thieves just as much as Bush ever did. Yes we can! (continue to beat down the middle class). Send thousands of people to the unemployment line- no big deal, grow some pot- big deal (by the way, I haven't smoked pot in probably 15 years, its a tax and big government issue for me).

4. All of that stuff we could solve if not for this last one: we have learned to celebrate idiots - from celebrities to politicians - the less you know, the less capable you are of thoughtful and creative dialogue, and the more self-centered you are, the more popular. With the exception of Jon Stewart, thank God for humor.

All right, my rant is complete, I feel better, thanks for listening.

The Netherlands is also home to everything worthless. People can't make it to jail because they are too doped up on LSD. And it's right next to Sweden, which means that it's inevitably queer and full of male harlots in tight-fitting leather pants.

Of Course Cause Nothing Is Illegal They Smoke Maryjane And Have Sex Everywhere & Whenever They Want To...Lots Of Bumps After Smoking Marijane Walking Around Naked...
God Bless America...!!!

Prohibition is not working. Legalization of drugs will eradicate crime . In fact, the gangs and the druglords WANT drugs to be illegal so they can build their empires of crime. If drugs, including narcotics , were available on a laissez-faire basis without a prescription, crime would dissapate, because the drug gangs would all be put out of work and the cheaper, legal drugs would be just like liquor and cigarettes are now. I say fire the DEA and put all those detectives on REAL criminal cases such as murder and rape , and tax narcotics and use the money to fund healthcare . Think of all the taxes we'd save and all the extra police (from former DEA) who would lower street crime substantially.

Calling the very conservative Dutch people "drug friendly" defies common sense. The netherlands is a very orderly country with largely law -abiding citizens. The Dutch are and always have been friends of individual liberty in ways that Americans claim to be but are not. Their profound faith in individual liberty is rooted in strong traditions of individual responsibility. In comparison to Dutch society American society is a perpetual destruction derby.

The Dutch are a very rational and a very communitarian people. They live in a very small country, that must be defended from the North Sea by very expensive and complex water works. They know from birth that they are all in it together. They take care of each other and in return for that support and that liberty, they work very hard to respect one another.

I've been in a Dutch jail, as a journalist not a guest, but I can tell you straight up you wouldn't want to spend time in one. But the Dutch, being rational people, reserve their jails for people who harm others; they do not incarcerate people who say or believe or do things they generally don't like. America on the other hand, is a religio- police state, where people who stand out by race or personal decoration are profiled, harassed and imprisoned in numbers that are both unprecedented and unmatched in the world. "They hate us for our freedom" Yea right.

The worst think that I can say about Holland is that the winters are too cold, for me. If my thin California blood could tolerate the weather, I would never have left Amsterdam.

As you wrote: "With a population of 16.6 million, the Dutch prison population is about 12,000. With its population of 36.7 million, California should have a bit more than double the Dutch prison population. California’s actual prison population is 171,000." I just sold the last piece of real estate that I own in California. I am done paying taxes to a state the can not control its own arrogance and stupidity.

America's problems are not mainly economic; that is transient.America's economic engine is strong. It is the American soul — that would cruelly and needlessly imprison so many relatively harmless human beings — that is weak. America will pay the price in blood for the unjust levels of pain that its legal system routinely inflicts upon the poor.

After decades of working within the system, I have finally decided America's ignorance and self-righteousness is unfixable. I'm moving back to Europe. Good luck with this one. Maybe America can arrest and incarcerate its way out of the drug war , but you had better build a lot more prisons . Maybe China will loan you the money .

I am happy that some countries still are striving for what is best for its' citizens... UNFORTUNATELY I live in the USA where the almighty dollar rules over common sense. The reason this story can never happen in my country? Prison is an industry. For each inmate accounted for, a prison receives an estimated $30,000 to $40,000 per year. The actual cost to house, clothe and feed a prisoner as well as to pay for corrections officers and administration? $2,000 to $3,000 per inmate. That means each 'criminal' has a $27,000 - $37,000 profit margin for these huge corporations who have their lobbyists deeply rooted in Washington. It's nice to ASK the Government why it keeps to the current " drug war " and to read these nifty little "our drug war is wrong" articles, but it's always ALWAYS about their bottom line. Wake up and take it back America.

The US should learn from the Netherlands.Look out side the box! stop the prohibition of drugs!