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"Don't Say Gay": Tennessee Schools Could Ban Gay Talk
The state Senate in Tennessee is set to vote on a bill that would ban any talk of homosexuality in public schools. Teachers could be fired or lose their tenure if they violate the possible law.
The bill, known as "Don't Say Gay" passed the Senate Education Committee last week by a 6-3 vote. It would prohibit schools from "the teaching or furnishing of materials on human sexuality other than heterosexuality in public school grades K-8."
Fox News reports that the bill's author, St. Sen. Stacey Campfield, has been working on this measure for several years, but only now is it advancing because there is a Republican governor, and the GOP controls both houses of the legislature.
Campfield said the bill is designed to stop gay rights activists from pushing their agenda in the classroom. He said "several" teachers have told him that they are teaching their students about homosexuality.
"Schools shouldn't be advocating for or against homosexuality," he said.
The Tennessee Equality Project, a gay rights organization, is outraged.
"We believe it's a ploy to advance a social agenda into the classroom," Chairman Jonathan Cole told FoxNews.com. "And we think it will create an unsafe environment for kids who may be gay, lesbian, transgender or just have questions."
Cole said the bill could make the growing problem of bullying even worse.
"So if they witness a kid being bullied because of sexual orientation, how will they be able to deal with that?" he said.
Campfield insisted that the bill would not prevent schools from addressing bullying. He said it's all about families deciding what kind of sex education their children receive.
"This is stopping the advocating of one point of view over another," he said.
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Isn't teaching..
Isn't teaching homosexuality at school also 'a ploy to advance a social agenda into the classroom'? Hypocrisy - gotta love it!
First sentence is a blatant lie.
"The state Senate in Tennessee is set to vote on a bill that would ban any talk of homosexuality in public schools."
That is simply untrue.
The law in question, and its amendments, only speak to Sex Ed curriculum taught in K-8 classrooms. It does not "ban any talk of homosexuality in public schools," as you incorrectly reported, Mark.
Please read the bill.
The bill: ( http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0049.pdf )
The amendment: ( http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Amend/SA0312.pdf )
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Lawsuit in the works
This is a form of discrimination by sexual orientation. TN voters might agree with this type of discrimination, but federal law and judicial interpretations of federal law will not allow it.
Like the recent attempt at "academic freedom" to push religion back into the science classroom, laws which require social conservatism will never survive the legal process. Passing this bill into law will simply result in a meaningless legal battle, large legal expenses, and embarrassment for the state of Tennessee.
Informing students and requiring that students not bully other students based on sexual orientation is not advocating homosexuality. It is encouraging tolerance. "Advocating" would mean encouraging or recruiting, which is not the purpose of these educational activities.
Gay teens have the highest suicide rate of any teen subgroup. This is driven by bullying and social isolation. Encouraging tolerance will hopefully make these tragic events less frequent.
It would be best for everyone if the Tennessee legislature simply moved on to something more practical.
Oh. Like California's Prop 8?
The statement, "laws which require social conservatism will never survive the legal process," is more wishful thinking than an examination of fact.
http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Prop .-8-vacate-motion-4-25-11.pdf
I have noticed that you have trouble with some terms you use. This is yet another example of that. A fine definition of Social conservatism is, "a political or moral ideology that believes that government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors."
Now that you know what it means, are you really certain you want to stand by your statement that "laws which require social conservatism will never survive the legal process?"
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seem
Those laws don't seem to be doing a good job of surviving... women can vote, so can blacks, the overturning of laws against homosexual acts, the emergence of no fault divorce, legalized abortion ...
Attributing women's and minority suffrage
To anyone except conservatives is a gross misunderstanding of history. You don't get to rewrite history as it suits you.
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except no...
And yet it is you who try and rewrite history, not I. Though conservatives today have accepted women's/minorities suffrage the such acceptance was not part of conservativism at the time.
Indeed conservaties are on the trailing edge of society... we see that even today with the gay rights issue, where conservatives are steadily falling behind the rest of society.
Don't worry though... I'm sure that in twenty to thirty years, after all but the most extreme fringe agrees that homosexuals should be treated equally, that there will be conservatives to step forward and claim that equal right for homosexuals was a conservative issue.
And there will be Liberals
Screaming for equal rights for necrophiliacs, a lowering of the age of consent to accommodate pedophiles, and a sea-change on the animal rights front guarantees citizenship and "Equality to animals and those who 'love' them.
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down the slope...
What you seem to be saying is that because people may argue for necrophilia or bestiality in the future we should deny people who are not necrophiliacs/beastialiacs (or whatever the term would be) equal rights.
Which is odd... as the same could be said for racia/gender equality...
The flawed underlying assumption is that there is a "moral peak" that we have reached.
Because wanting to f^&* a goat
Is the same as being born black to you?
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fing
As much as being attracted to the same gender is the same as wanting to F a goat.
The 3 being the same to you...
Pointing to the slippery slope of all aberrant sexual deviancy becoming the next "Civil Rights Movement" (sorry black community, for minimizing your 200-year-long plight) becomes far more reasonable an act.
Today's Gay Rights movement is tomorrow's Animal 'Husbandry' movement. (Only Animal Husbandry takes on a whole new meaning.) What's next? Lowering the age of consent to 13 like in Spain? Teachers marrying students becoming reasonable, and all laws preventing such being "unconstitutional"?
When the slope is slippery, following the logic to its inevitable conclusion is not nearly as silly as you seem to pretend.
Which side will you be on when 13 year olds want to screw or wed adults, or your neighbor asks for your blessing to marry your dog, or your deceased family member's corpse being used as a spank rag?
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sure...
Just as yesterdays womans rights / racial equality is todays gay rights... I'm not sure why you seem to feel that an explicit set of discrimination is needed in order to grant a minority equal rights.
Equating the struggle of homosexuals with the struggle for racial equality doesn't minimize the struggle of blacks.
Why does extending marriage to homosexuals legitimize marrying animals or lowering the AoC? After all sex with animals is already illegal, as is sex with minors. Wouldn't the repeal of sodomy laws (and the legalization of gay sex) or the legalization of interracial relationships be the start of that particular slope? After all first you let whites marry blacks, then you let men marry men, then you let men marry dogs...
The age of consent bit is actually fairly interesting... as once puberty has been passed the AoC becomes largely cultural. A teacher marrying a student would be covered under the same bit that prevents a college professor from marrying one of his students.
Since animals are not legal persons they cannot enter into contracts, so before a person could marry Fido they would have to get personhood status for Fido.
Though I am not sure exactly I believe that a dead relative would count as property... so my dead relative would be my property, and I could reject a person using said dead relative as a "spank rag".
Required reading.
( http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=477 )
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so...
Since he never actually voiced his opinion as to homosexuality we can only infer what he would have said?
Further I find it rather humorous as to how conservatives today are trying to whitewash what conservatives back in the 60s and 70s did by trying to co-opt civil rights leaders (like MLKL). Equal rights for non-whites was a liberal position back then... and it has since become a mainstream position (neither strictly liberal or conservative, though liberals still seem to be doing most of the fighting on that front).
As to his being a conservative in the modern sense... all we have to do is look to what he was doing when he was shot. The purpose of the Poor Peoples Campaign was to get Congress to pass an economic bill of rights that included a guaranteed anual income. Is that a conservative position? Are the below words the words of a conservative by todays standard:
"A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social Betterment of the countries, and say: This is not just."
-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Would a conservative today accept the "Planned Parenthood Federation of America Margret Sanger Award"?
So yeah... Dr. King, not a conservative (by either the definition of his time or the modern definition).
That particular rant aside... that Dr. King never spoke on the subject of gay marriage (or gay rights in general) does mean that gay rights are not a Civil Rights issue.
evolving
Which is how societies evolve over time.
Societies
History is pretty small and there aren't that many societies on the planet. Societies also fall - and I've heard Rome fell after the open acceptance of 'gay' lifestyle. So there's one that didn't evolve for ya.
after
Actually Rome fell after the emergence of Christianity... not due to "the gays" who had always been a part of it.
Ha!
Yes, the inevitable outcome of society.
That is why we see such human behavior as being accepted in and by other societies. Human social evolution leads to goat f%^&ing.
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ahh, thats right....
You do not understand Evolution.
Societies change over time, and this includes what those societies see as right or wrong... so yes, it is possible that our descendants will view laws again bestiality the same way we view laws again homosexuality or racial minorities.
That possible future does not excuse denying homosexuals equal rights.
Which right does the law in question take from gays?
You seem to think that people are denying gays their rights in Tenn.
Ok, list the right(s) that the law in the OP denies to gays.
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speach
Well for starters it would deny homosexuals the right to talk about their homosexuality.
Which right is it which guarantees--
That a teacher can teach any facet of subject they choose?
Cite the amendment, statutory law, or case law. Everything else is weightless opinion and not worth my time.
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humm...
You are right!
This law is as legitimate as a law stating "schools can only teach and distribute material about white people".
Which law or amendment?
Cite the legal grounds in which that Tenn. law is unconstitutional, Book. Stop beating around the bush and trying to make the gay rights movement analogous to the civil rights movement.
As you should know, making that connection trivializes the civil rights movement. Do I need to quote the late MLK's daughter?
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i am agreeing with you
I agree, and was wrong to say that the law violated the constitution... just like a law saying that schools can only teach about, or distribute material related to, Christians.
It's about time.
But thanks.
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yep
It is as legal as a law saying that schools cannot mention the Holocaust.
That's
an even more offensive analogy than relating gays to racial equality. You done crossed a line there book.
what line?
Would it be illegal to pass a law saying that teachers in a school could not talk about the Holocaust?
Sounds rather reasonable... after all the law above says that gays cannot be mentioned, and gays were killed in the Holocaust, so it would be illegal to talk about some of the Holocaust under the law as written.
As
part of a sex ed curriculum. Is someones identity so tied to their sexuality that if someone IS gay it has to be added to their biography when teaching kids?
In any case Hitler did kill of millions of people, directly and indirectly. But pretending that gays were his primary target is wrong MrBook. they were there for sure but comparing a policy against teaching kids about gay sexuality until after the 8th grade and the murder of millions of people is pathetic and stupid. Congratulations you've reached a new low.
tied?
Why are heterosexuals so tied their heterosexuality that if they are heterosexual it has to be tied to their biographies?
I never said that gays were his primary target... I said that they were one of his targets. Therefore to comply with the no talking about gays rule shouldn't talk of the Holocaust be avoided? Or perhaps you would prefer if talk of the Holocaust edited out references to those icky gays.
I'm rather surprised at your anger here... after all if it is acceptable to edit out something because discussing it makes people uncomfortable then why not other things that make people uncomfortable?
Liberalized interpretation of individual rights
One more thing...
SCOTUS has trended toward emphasizing individual rights more and more as time goes on. For example, the recent very individual interpretations of the 2nd amendment, the free speech case involving the military funerals, etc. Protecting individuals from blanket discrimination based on group membership is part of this trend.
Socially conservative laws have been falling one by one since the 1960s. For example, Griswold v. Connecticut, Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas, etc.
So yes... I want to emphasize that laws that enforce socially conservative values are doomed. The government cannot dictate individual morality. These individual rights can be impacted only for public safety or when there conflicts between the rights of two individuals. Otherwise, government has no role pushing a socially conservative agenda.
Would you say that the government has a role..
In pushing a socially liberal agenda?
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Too broad a statement
I think it is pretty clear based on the constitutional decisions that government cannot restrict individual rights that are centered on personal moral decisions, which also means invalidating laws that single out groups for differential treatment. This is neither liberal nor conservative, but more libertarian if anything. The issue for many social conservatives is the perception that treating sexual orientation like any other protected aspect such as gender, religion, race , or ethnicity is perceived as a liberal agenda item. However, these protections also apply to religiously conservative individuals, meaning they have the same protections. SCOTUS through case law is identifying those things which are out of bounds for differential treatment.
Going back to original topic, TN is simply going too far. It would be reasonable to defund specific programs and to direct money in ways that indirectly shaped policy. For example, providing money for abstinence only sex ed is not discriminatory and could survive legal challenge. However, by explicitly singling out sexual orientation as a taboo topic in school, and in effect, requiring a form of discrimination through exclusion, the proposed law won't survive a constitutionality challenge.
Again, the TN law is much worse than even CA's prop 8.
Not sure how it is worse.
There are plenty of obscure sexual practices not taught in middle-school level 'sex ed'. Is it your demand that all of them be taught?
And, yes... this law only relates to teachers up to eighth grade. High school teachers are not barred from introducing homosexuality in their sex-ed curriculum.
I don't see why middle-schoolers, and below, should even be concerned with sex, much less homosexual sex. So, no. All things considered, Prop 8 is far more anti-libertarian than this Tenn. Bill.
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Slippery slope is a tired argument
By eighth grade, sexual orientation is pretty well established. The purpose of sex ed is to help developing children get their questions answered. By telling teachers they cannot specifically address any sex ed questions other than those of heterosexuals, discrimination is being embedded in the education process, at least through 8th grade.
Proposition 8 is not taking away a general right as of yet, but it is an attempt to block an expansion of a perceived right to marry.
The TN law is retroactively telling schools that today it is okay to answer school children's questions about homosexuality, but tomorrow when the law passes, you cannot. In fact, if you do, you could lose your job and you will be sanctioned.
Under proposition 8, no one loses their job for discussing homosexual marriage. In fact, two people can still go through a marriage ceremony. However, the marriage will not be legally recognized.
The TN law which requires a teacher to be sanctioned for discussing homosexuality in K-8 has active penalties that in my opinion make it worse than prop 8.
If parents don't want it...
Why force it on their children?
Do not forget who voted in the government. Adults decided that they wanted a conservative-leaning government and made it so. The legislators are doing the people's business here. States have explicit power, and right, to make these laws. There is an amendment for that.
The only thing that this type of law damages is the homosexual agenda: "All gay, all the time." I think that the rights of parents to vote in representatives who do what they want is what makes this nation great. Since Stacey Campfield, the legislator who proposed this bill, was recently "promoted" from state Rep. to state Senator after repeatedly promoting this bill, I think that it is safe to say that she was given a mandate by the majority of the people to get this bill passed in the higher house.
If you were to openly come out and say: "I oppose this on the grounds that it is damaging to the homosexual agenda by not forcibly indoctrinating America's youth into acceptance of homosexuality," I would respect your honesty. But effectively telling K-8 children that if they don't think the same way as do 2-6% of Americans--thus furthering some interest group's political goals--they will not get passing grades is the real travesty in this story.
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Misunderstanding and exaggeration
50+ years ago it was illegal for people of different races to marry in many conservative states. The voting majority in these states supported this perspective and voted in lawmakers who maintained the status quo. Did this make it right? Did this mean it was not discrimination? Mixed race marriage was considered an abomination back then. Today we look with scorn on that judgmental perspective, but mixed race marriage was viewed by many as a threat to racial and cultural purity. Sound familiar???
The parallels between the struggles of racial minorities and homosexuals are no accident. People feel morally and culturally threatened by the idea of being forced to consider homosexuals as equals or at least by being told that discriminating against gays is wrong. People don't have to believe that, but they cannot discriminate against gays in employment, housing, or similar public transactions.
Parents have choices. Governments do not. People can choose to judge a minority anyway they wish. Hate speech is a constitutionally protected privilege. Unless a minority is engaged in criminal behavior like pedophilia, governmental bodies, including schools, do not have the same freedoms. Schools do not have freedom of association.
You are grossly exaggerating the situation with statements like blocking the "all gay all the time" agenda. What is wrong with a group asking to end the daily discrimination it encounters?
I am straight and my children are straight. I am very relieved because unfortunately people like you still think it is okay to discriminate against homosexuals, and as a parent, I would worry about the hate and discrimination my children would experience if one were gay.
The only way to end the discrimination against any minority is to enforce tolerance among children. The current generation is always a lost cause. My parents graduated from high school in the 1950s, and they carry a level of racial intolerance that my generation does not in general share. Similarly, my generation is very homophobic and sexually judgmental, but my children are much less so. Why? Because my children and their friends are seeing tolerance being taught from the ground up.
You want to call tolerance "indoctrination" and that is your right to do so. I view tolerance as progress. The evolving interpretation of individual rights and privacy rights supports the notion of tolerance=progress.
I don't view gay rights as a political agenda. I view it as a human right to live and let live without discrimination or open hatred from fellow citizens. Telling gay children and the children of gay parents that a significant portion of their lives cannot even be discussed in school is wrong.
Is tolerence a moral issue?
Firstly, I do not think that not telling 5th graders how to perform anal sex with another male student constitutes discrimination against homosexual adults. So don't suggest that I am some kind of bigot. I don't believe that this law promotes intolerance.
Secondly, I think that subjects such as tolerance are moral issues. Why is it okay with you when government legislates a brand of morality to which you subscribe, but not okay when it legislates a brand with which you disagree? I find that to be rather contradictory and illogical.
Third, parents have the right to decide what their children learn, even at public schools. Why should a public, publicly-funded institution bend to the political aspirations of ANY fringe element?
Fourth, it is extremely disrespectful to liken the civil rights movement with 'gay rights'. "I know deep down in my sanctified soul that he did not take a bullet for same-sex unions." ~ Bernice King, youngest daughter of MLK. ( http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=477 )
I am sympathetic to the cultural plight of the black community when told that they were not "good or pure enough" to wed whites. That was a travesty borne from the ideal that white heritage would be lessened by introducing other races. However, since gays are evolutionary dead-ends, I don't hold their "plight" in anywhere near the same light. I am hardly worried that the gays will "breed out the straights", as it were. In fact, I fully support their relationships be recognized by the state. They are people too and deserve all of the legal/financial privileges and responsibilities that committed straight couples enjoy. That is why I, like most people (including Obama) support civil unions for committed gay couples.
Lastly, if you don't view the gay agenda as a political one, you are fooling yourself. It is very much a political agenda. As are ALL special interests.
Nobody has the right to not be hated. Not me, not you, not anybody. Not even if they like a certain type of sex. Nobody. If they did, you'd have to accept those who like to have sex with young children. Or animals. Or the dead. Or their offspring. Discriminated, sure. People have the right to not be discriminated against, but that law in Tenn. does not discriminate against anybody. Opposing it, however, violates the rights of the general public to decide what their children learn in public school. It will withstand constitutional scrutiny. Guaranteed.
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Specific reponse
You said:
"Why is it okay with you when government legislates a brand of morality to which you subscribe, but not okay when it legislates a brand with which you disagree?"
Actually, the constitution requires tolerance. This is called the pursuit of liberty. The freedom to live your life with your rights violated by others. Go amendment by amendment. From the freedom of speech to equal protection, tolerance is one of the key values throughout our constitution. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It means leaving people alone.
You said:
"I do not think that not telling 5th graders how to perform anal sex with another male student "
I don't know what school your kids attend, but that's surely not how my children are learning about homosexuality. I would agree that details on specific sex acts for 10 year olds is going too far.
You're right that no one has the right not to be hated. However, every child has the right to go to school and not to have that hate be made explicit
Finally, you said:
"Third, parents have the right to decide what their children learn, even at public schools. Why should a public, publicly-funded institution bend to the political aspirations of ANY fringe element?"
Every school has required courses, every state has statewide requirements, and every public school is required to comply with NCLB, which has national grade level content expectations. Public schools have a required curriculum. Parents can control what electives their kids select, and in my state, parents can opt their kids out of sex ed, but beyond that the only choice is put their kids in a private school. This being said, when I was saying schools did not have a choice, this means they do *not* have the option to discriminate or exclude any group that attends a school. Public schools don't have the option to discriminate, exclude, or treat gay students and gay parents any differently than straight kids and parents, which means remaining judgmentally neutral. The TN law is anything but neutral.
We'll have to wait and see if this bill becomes law, and what happens the first time someone challenges it. I predict it won't make it to the books, making this debate moot.
Tolerance.
Putting up with people whose opinions differ from one's own.
I do not see any tolerance in the homosexual movement. What I do see, however, is a constant, omnipresent, "in your face" demand for acceptance of others' lifestyle.
It is so prevalent that it has otherwise reasonably intelligent folks such as yourself saying that by not teaching homosexuality to third-graders, gay adults are being discriminated against somewhere.
That is outlandish, frankly. Take this example: Some people, a minority larger than the gay community, are predisposed to addiction . Through no choice of their own, their genetic makeup, coupled with their environment during their formative years, place them in a category likely to abuse drugs.
Are those people discriminated against by the D.A.R.E. programs or their analogues?
Why are they not afforded the same hyper-attentiveness?
Where are the calls for tolerance?
The point is that tolerating others is a moral position. We choose who we tolerate, as a society. When such tolerance is forced by a heavy-handed government, it does not look like liberty.
Look, I have learned a lot about this issue here, even while arguing my position. While I think the best-case scenario for a law like this would be a segregated sex-ed program to provide for gay third graders' (?) 'rights' to learn more about it. We have gender separation for physical education and segregated restrooms in every school in the union, so this would be a compromise I'd support... Not necessarily for third graders, however. They're SOL when it comes to sex-ed, as far as I am concerned. All Sex-Ed should be age-appropriate (which is a huge concession on my part seeing as how sex in grade school is not appropriate in the first place.)
Do you have an issue with segregated sex-ed to include a homosexual curriculum? Or would you prefer to support mandating every child be instructed in human homosexuality?
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Ummmm....
Prop 8 is tied up in court at the moment, so yes, I stand by my assertion. We are within 10 years of gay marriage being nationally accepted and legal.
This is a generational thing. It is not "if" gay marriage will be fully legal, but "when:"
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/05/support-for-same-sex-marriage-by-age-and-state /
As soon as the younger generation has more political clout, laws discriminating against gays will pretty much just go away. This is a gradual process. For example, Lawrence vs. Texas, which made sodomy laws illegal was the first step. The 14th amendment is being extended to sexual orientation issues.
All civil rights cases represent incremental change. The tide has already turned on gay rights in the supreme court . It is now just a matter of time.
What Tennessee is trying to do is fare more onerous than dealing with gay marriage. They are essentially saying the rights of an entire group can never be discussed in school. This is much less defensible than even a marriage ban.
So...
Laws like this exist due to cultural majority opinion, then?
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Individual rights
The individual rights in the constitution are specifically intended to prevent the tyranny of the majority. SCOTUS has broadened rather than narrowed individual rights over time. Sexual orientation has become an explicit addition to individual protections with Lawrence v. Texas being the biggest example so far. Prior to Lawrence v. Texas, gay people engaged in private consensual relations were committing felonies according to many state laws, as were many straight people engaged in sex acts outside of typical missionary intercourse. SCOTUS has said that consensual adult sexual relations are a private matter in which government cannot pass judgment regardless of the cultural majority opinion.
The majority of people are not gay, the majority of people do not engage in what used to be criminal sodomy, and the majority of people will at some point get married in a heterosexual relationship at least once. However, the majority doesn't get the right to say to everyone else that they have to be treated differently under the law.
The one way to bypass SCOTUS would be for the majority to actually amend the constitution clarifying or limiting individual rights. However, it is extremely unlikely that a definition of marriage or intentional limits on what are considered gay rights issues would ever survive the constitutional amendment process. It is possible as was proven during prohibition, but it is not likely, Prohibition was an important lesson for the country in showing that baking personal morality into the constitution can have many unintended and negative consequences.
TN is essentially telling teachers that even discussing homosexuality is an offense worthy of termination of employment. This seems to violate the 14th amendment by discriminating through specific and targeted exclusion, and it seems to violate the 1st amendment rights of teachers. TN would have to show that discussing homosexuality in school actually harmed children. The "measure of harm" in this instance would be arbitrary and very individual, meaning it is not legally defensible.
There are some natural cultural conflicts when it comes to homosexuality. Conservative religions teach their children that homosexuality is morally bad, and allowing teachers to discuss homosexuality in school with a focus on tolerance violates those beliefs. However, there are conservative forms of the three abrahamic faiths that teach a limited role for women, that our schools and government actively tells people is morally wrong and illegal. We are currently in a state of cultural transition, where most people accept that any form of gender discrimination is "wrong," but calling gays "bad" is somehow less wrong.
Individual rights expand when a group chooses to complain. Many of the laws (actual and proposed) restricting rights based on sexual orientation are a form of cultural backlash in reaction to an overall national trend toward more tolerance of homosexuality.
States continue to try to pass laws in spite of case law that tells them they won't stand up to legal challenge. The recent group of laws opening the door for creationism in the science classroom are an example. In those states, the cultural majority supports limiting science based on those topics that conflict with some religious beliefs. However, like the TN law, these other laws won't pass constitutional muster.
Our government from its bicameral legislature and republican form of government to its checks and balances across branches is set up to prevent the cultural majority from overwhelming the rights of minorities, whether these minorities are based on race or sexual orientation. State governments don't have the ability to overrule the constitution.
I think you are reading too much into Lawrence.
You talk as if homosexuality was incorporated into the 14th. It wasn't. Look at the fact that DOMA exists in a post Lawrence world if you disbelieve this.
Furthermore, and most importantly, the Tenn. law we are discussing does not benefit adults who choose to engage in homosexual acts. It prevents K-8 children from having homosexuality forced down their throats (which is not the same as sodomy, regardless of the mental image that statement provokes.)
Our government being a republic means that the majority votes in our representatives and hands them a mandate. Tenn. voted in a republican government from top to bottom. It is completely within the state's power to create laws which will protect the public. This law, the one in Tenn, protects youth from being forced into learning subjects which their parents have every right to protect them from.
While this might effectively curtail the "long game" of the homosexual agenda, that alone does not make it discrimination--regardless of how loudly some 2-6% minority bleats.
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Homosexual agenda?
Lawrence said that human sexuality is a private matter that cannot be regulated by the government. It is similar to Griswold where birth control was made a private matter which cannot be regulated by the government. It has to do with an expansion of privacy, which means the government cannot interfere with or allow discriminatory laws based on private matters. Lawrence is a stepping stone case toward ending discrimination based on sexual orientation. The TN law is a step backward.
Do people think that sexual orientation is so threatened by the "homosexual agenda" that people have to do something to prevent heterosexuality from being threatened? I am straight, and based on your other posts, I assume you are too. Is there anything a homosexual could do to change who you are attracted to? Of course not, because biological arousal is a hardwired response. The same applies to your children as well. People can choose whether or not to act on sexual impulses, but they cannot control where those impulses originate from.
Without going down the morality path, sexual orientation is clearly not a choice nor is it clearly black and white as we see in prisons and other extreme situations. Similarly, race is not a choice, ethnicity is not a choice, gender is not a choice, and what religion you are born into is not a choice. Discrimination means going after those things that are not choices even when those things result in no meaningful harm.
The meaningful harm statement is an important distinction. Child molesters are hardwired to be attracted to children. However, because children cannot consent, sex with children is a crime , and child molesters may not act on their impulses even if they cannot control these impulses. Pedophilia is a form of mental illness. A paranoid schizophrenic cannot help his murderous thoughts, so we have to keep this person off the street, just like we would a child molester.
The slippery slope argument says if we protect gays, we have to protect child molesters, and people who engage in bestiality, and so on. Not true! The simple question is whether participants in the particular sex act are legal adults who can consent without being harmed. This is what separates homosexuality from all forms of sexual behavior that is considered deviant.
The "homosexual agenda" is about fairness and ending discrimination. How is that "bleating?" Your assumption that you think TN has a right to protect its population from homosexuality speaks volumes about your perspective.
Parents have the right to educate their children as they see fit. They can home school them or put them in biblically based schools to put hard controls in how personal moral values are presented. The public school as a government sponsored endeavor does not have this latitude. The public schools cannot explicitly exclude a minority from the table or from topics of discussion. There are gay children in K-8 who know they are gay. There are children in k-8 being raised by gay parents. The TN law basically says that before 9th grade, gay children essentially excluded from all sex ed and the children of gay parents cannot discuss their home life with teachers.
The TN law is discriminatory.
Wrong
Wrong, wrong, wrong - sexual orientation is *NOT* a hard-wired response, nor is one born gay. There is no gay and straight - only sexuality and the odd things that turn each person off and on. One's sexual identity is part genetics and part peer. In the past ten years since the mainstreaming of the internet , we've noticed a huge surge in gay/bi/tranny/metrosexual interest, because they have a place to be what they want. The huge surge in sexual freedom is also in the youth today - the same youth working a crappy restaurants instead of striving for a real job, doing E and other drugs all night and try to live on the system. Now if you don't think sexual identity isn't linked to both one's self-esteem and one's ambitions, you're wrong again.
That is why we have to drop the categorizing system and realize that all humans are sexual, no one is 100% gay or 100% straight (otherwise you'd have no standards and are interested in every single woman on the planet), you're attracted to qualities in a person. If we could teach that, it would get rid of all the confusion of sexuality.
Too generalized a response
In fact, recent research on fetal hormone exposure actually shows that sexual response is at least partially hardwired. In experiments with mice, 100% of mice exposed to high levels of gender opposite hormones displayed homosexual behavior. The same has been show anecdotally with humans, but a broader study is required. Mice do not have this level of cognitive sexual development you indicate. Their mating behavior is primarily instinctual.
The causes behind homosexual behavior are far too complex to say that it is just an expression of sexual freedom.
There are also physical differences between men who and women who display mostly gay or mostly straight behavior, including:
1. Finger length. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
2. Hormonal responses:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3016021
3. Pheromone responses:
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/20/7356.abstract
Regardless of how you want to spin it, there is a biological component in sexual response. The fact that most men and women display purely heterosexual behavior is no accident or social construct.
Oh, and on a side note:
There is not one iota of scientific evidence that human sexuality is "hard-wired" like race is. The closest any reputable scientist will get is to show how environment plays a greater part in the formation of sexuality.
So basing any opinions on the "born that way" canard is pure folly.
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