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Crazy Talk: ESPN's Bill Simmons Defends Eagles Michael Vick
I like ESPN columnist and author Bill Simmons. I read Bill Simmons. I own his books, listen to his podcasts, watch his documentaries -- and enjoy the hell out of his work (even when he insists he's not a Boston homer).
But I'm pissed at him today. Really pissed. I couldn't disagree with him more on the subject of Michael Vick.
Simmons has written a column that defends his heavy rooting interest in Eagles quarterback Michael Vick. The quarterback has played well during the first month of 2010 after spending nearly two years in a federal prison for a brutal dogfighting (more like dog-killing) conviction.
Simmons says Vick has "rejuvenated" his career and is now a changed man -- but I'd like to see him play well for more than two games. Remember, from a purely athletic standpoint, this guy has a history of playing remarkably well in stretches, then God awful for months. In addition, I'd like to see him stay off the police blotter for a few years before I bestow Man of the Year honors. I believe in second chances and redemption, but they must be earned -- not handed out like free coupons.
Yet Simmons seems certain Vick has left his violent, evil self in the past.
This being Opposing Views, I want to read different viewpoints. I enjoy hearing various slants and takes. So I read Simmons today and considered his premise with an open mind. And then I started shaking my head and clenching my teeth. Simmons is wrong. Not only has he written this "Vick's-a-New-Man" piece far too prematurely, he's using poor reasoning to justify his own unwavering support.
So with steam wafting from my ears, I've decided to go through some of what Simmons says (he's in bold italics) and answer back. Here we go:
Simmons says he's on Michael Vick's side for four reasons. He writes:
1. Maybe I've seen too many sports movies. Maybe I'm a forgiving person. Maybe I like rooting for underdogs. Maybe I don't like when someone squanders his or her talent. Maybe I missed watching him play. Maybe it's all of those things. I just know that I usually have trouble rooting against memorable athletes who hit rock bottom, regroup and bounce back ... If Vick didn't pay a reasonable price for his sins, it would be one thing. But he torched his career, blew a lucrative contract, went bankrupt, spent 19 months in prison and became a public pariah. That wasn't a reasonable price?... Yeah, if I spent enough time looking at electrocution photos and rape stand photos, I'd inevitably end up despising him...
My comment to Simmons: If you know that looking at those electrocution and rape stand photos would cause you to despise the man -- why don't you do that instead of remaining ignorant? In the back of your mind -- according to your own words -- you find the man despicable when you consider what he really did. Yet, for some reason, you're willing to push that aside because he's a really good athlete. In other words, it's more convenient to ignore the facts.
But dogfighting isn't much more abhorrent than some of the other ways we abuse animals. Ever watch what happens when a deer gets shot by a hunter but doesn't die right away? Ever watch a group of turkeys get slaughtered for Thanksgiving? Ever watch how a mink coat gets made? Ever research what happens to greyhounds once they stop racing?
A weak argument. It's like telling a cop who pulls you over for going 90 mph in a 40-mph zone: "Hey officer, speeding isn't worse than stealing money from banks, right? So forgive me. Other people do bad stuff too." If you consider those other activities brutal and inhumane, Bill, then criticize those activities instead of excusing this one. If you think greyhounds are treated unfairly, then don't use that to justify Michael Vick shooting a dog in the head.
2. Generations of people grew up with dogfighting in the South (especially in poorer regions), and it's like anything else: Sometimes you don't fully realize something is wrong if you never knew anything else. We cannot ignore the cultural elements here. Not everyone likes dogs or sees them as companions, guardians or family members.
You know what was another activity big in the South? Slavery. And, to use your words, it was like anything else. Sometimes the slave owners didn't fully realize something was wrong if they never knew anything else. We can't ignore the cultural elements here, right?
When Vick renounced dogfighting, many people (my wife included) thought he did so because it was the politically correct move.
Listen to your wife, Bill. She's right. She's not being cynical. She's being smart. Have you ever considered that Vick is doing this because he needs the money and that no other business endeavor can offer him anywhere near the money he'll earn in the NFL?
3. ...That's what made it so crazy when PETA protested during the early stages of Vick's comeback. What was it protesting?
I'm pretty sure it was protesting against shooting innocent dogs in the head.
...An organization allegedly devoted to the welfare of animals chose to antagonize someone who, whether it liked it or not, could now improve the welfare of animals. Savvy! But hey, that's America in the 21st century for you: Extremists tend to favor being extreme over exercising common sense.
So you're showing more anger with PETA than you are Michael Vick? They are the extremists here? You're right. They should have ignored the entire episode.
... But if you believe in redemption, how can you not admire the way Vick humbly reinvented himself, dumped every negative influence in his life, surrounded himself with the right voices --
Do you mean like at his birthday party this summer where two felons were allegedly in the room? Those kind of positive influences?
He picked an NFL franchise that was devoted to making him a better person, quickly won over his teammates and coaches, gracefully handled every interview (and a few biting questions), stayed out of trouble, waited patiently for a chance to shine, then crushed that chance when he got it? What else is left?...
What else is left? Bill, it's three games into the 2010 seaon. Maybe the jury is still out on this guy?
4. Selfishly, I missed watching the dude play.
That sounds like the most genuine argument of the entire piece. Because I missed his amazing play as well. But here's the thing. We can still watch him play. But this immediate "joy" you're feeling for the guy seems misquided. Forgiveness is one thing, but it comes over time. How about writing a gushing, fawning column about Vick after he acts like a model citizen for 10 years -- after the NFL paychecks are done? After he's done being a celebrity and people stop buying him drinks.
Then write this column.
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Comments
Not quite that easy.
"Redeemed and rehabilitated?" By whose measure? It's easy to stay on the straight and narrow when you are under a microscope. Vick has yet to stand the test of time. And, no, that's not all we want from those who offend. We want them to make the same productive, lawabiding contributions to life that we expect from those who have not offended.
In the meantime, no one is inferring he should not continue his career and rejoin society. In fact, that's exactly what we want. But his former interpretation of "society" is now off limits. Let's see if he can make the adjustment before we shine his halo.
Enough Already!
Michael Vick has paid the price society and our justice system demanded for his crimes. He has every right to pursue his chosen profession and rejoin society as a full citizen. I've frankly had it with "couch potato/can't do so must spew" sportswriters looking to make a name for themselves by slamming Michael Vick. He's been redeemed and rehabilitated. That's what we keep saying is all we want from those who offend.
Michael Vick not a hero yet!
Thanks for the reminder to Bill Simmons, et al, that Michael Vick is still in "good behavior" mode and it will take a lot more time to determine whether he has actually recovered from his addiction to dog fighting.
The adrenaline and power rush derived from being able to inflict pain and death on helpless, confined, injured animals and strapping female dogs into rape stands is the same sick exhilaration experienced by child/spousal abusers and rapists, and this important aspect cannot be dismissed.
This is not something that just goes away. Somewhere in Vick's childhood the sordid pleasure of inflicting suffering to “prove” himself became not just an opportunistic gratification but a compulsion. That is evident from the constant repetition of his acts and the excessive violence.
Like any addict, he will always be “recovering.” He can’t forget that, and neither can we. We all hope Michael Vick can continue to heal…but a few years of abstinence from beating, electrocuting and forcing dogs to fight for their lives, or to their deaths, for his pleasure does not a hero make.
Thank you for writing this article
Thank you for having the courage to view the Michael Vick Lovefest for what it is: a huge rationalization on the part of fans and sports media who simply refuse to consider what Michael Vick did and, therefore, what he is still capable of. To all of you who get so angry about articles such The fascination with killing animals, the amusement he gained from it, the sheer brutality of what he did should be a wake up call to anyone who stops and really thinks about this. To lack the basic empathy for suffering, and/or the ability to desensitize oneself to this kind of violence, is disturbing. These urges don't go away. If Vick can deny these urges one year out of prison, that's a start. But, let's not call him "redeemed" until the lights are out, he's got nothing but free time and no one is watching him. .Then let's see how changed of a man he really is.
correction
this line should have read: "To all of you who get so angry about articles such as these who do not view Vick as a hero:"
Poor Mike...
Oops!
'Vick killed a red pit bull by “slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog’s back or neck.”'
'Vick put family pets in rings with pit bulls and thought it was funny watching them die '
Maybe we shouldn't expect too much from someone with the mind of a thug and the brain of a sweat sock...
And besides, who gives a rat's as- about the kids in the house....
Vick has payed enough
Michael Vick did terrible things - no debate. However, he payed for those terrible things with 19 months in jail, even as a star athlete. Donte Stallworth just ran a man over while driving drunk(killing the man) and went to jail for...24 DAYS!!
This is the problem with our society. We show in this instance that we value human life less then we value an animals life by dishing out a larger punishment to the man who attacked dogs versus a much smaller punishment to the man who took away a human life! Let alone that Vick has received much more scrutiny for his actions then Stallworth will ever see.
The point you didn't quite make
Our system of justice is certainly broken. Vick was definitely a bad guy, but one wonders if a Joe Sixpack type, not demonized by the media , would have received a lighter sentence. On the flipside, a Joe Sixpack type would likely have had the book thrown at him for killing someone on the highway while drunk.
I always draw fire if I suggest punishment should be standardized, by folks who don't believe in a one size fits all justice system. From where I'm sitting, it seems to me a system that is whimsically inconsistent isn't justice. It works more like a game show than anything else.
Will the convict get a life sentence or community service and probation? Judge! Tell the convict what he won!!! (canned applause)
It seems off the mark to me
I'm not a big sports fan, but I gather Vick is a top athelete by any measure of such things. He also happens to be a scumbag.
Isn't the argument based on the flawed logic that a person can't be both a great athelete and a scumbag at the same time?
If folks can watch movies and TV shows with actors portraying scumbags, it doesn't seem like watching football games with a similar cast of characters would raise anyone's blood pressure. Why not just jump up and down with the rest of the crowd and hope the next tackle breaks his neck? After all, that's why you're watching the game in the first place, isn't it - the vicarious pleasure you get out of watching living beings getting torn up in mortal combat?
Mixed Reviews
@Don - I was excited to read your comment above until the 'vicarious pleasure...mortal combat' thing. Totally agreed with everything you said, then you went off the deep end - again. Still, I give you a thumbs up on this one anyway.
(There IS hope for you after all).
Dear Jethro
If they aren't in it for the blood and guts, why is everyone yelling, "Kill that mothercensored!"?
People watch racing because they love the firey crashes. People watch boxing because they love the blood. People watch football because they love seeing the players knocked senseless.
Some years back, I watched an exhibition of high school kids competing in a poll vaulting contest. The athetic prowess involved was, in a word, breath taking. No one got hurt, though, which doesn't sell much beer.
What's the moral difference, if any, between watching people fighting and other animals fighting? It's that old double standard thing we've discussed previously and which you are decidedly slow to pick up on. Hang in there! Once you've mastered pattycake, it's all down hill.
"BRITANNUS (shocked): "Ceasar, this is not proper!"
THEODOTUS (outraged): "How?!"
CEASAR: "Pardon him Theodotus, he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.""
--George Bernard Shaw
Bakers Man
Bake a big ego fast as you can
Make him a cynic and mark him D.E.
You miss the point that WE can make the standards - double though they currently are, that will change in time.
Ju mayka me laff so har!!
whatever
Michael Vick served his time. How will that fact get into you tree hugger's thick heads?? Since when is a person required to serve time beyond the time he has already served?? You're a bunch of pathetic self righteous idiots.
Pathetic - Would you know?
What is pathetic is that our Society treats car-thieves - 18 year-old kids who maybe took a joy ride in a 10 year old jallopy - like pariahs for the rest of their lives.
But we will ignore this raging idiot's horrendous crimes - statistically shown to probably be precursors to child abuse or wife abuse or other violent criimes - and we give him a multi-million dollar job.
Kid steal $400 car and can never get a good job - forever.
Sports figure kills umpteen dogs brutally, runs an illegal dog-fight for however long we don't even know, brutalizes and kills animals with his bare hands, etc. etc. etc. and he gets to keep his million dollar salary.
Justice?? Oh where art thou???
Choice Matters
You did what you had to do ( I assume ) and had little choice..
Vick had all the Choice in the World that money, privilege and position could give him - and he did that.
Both of you showed the character you have - you did your best and he did his "best".
God can Judge that asshole later - I am judging him now.