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Continuous Creation or Evolution -- One has to be True
Creationists continue to try to find single species examples or general statements such as “irreducible complexity” to undermine evolution. The problem is that simple logic based on the fossil records results in one of two conclusions – either evolution is true, or creation is a continuous event.
Even creationists acknowledge that natural selection within a species is demonstrably true. Creationists argue that Darwin's finches and pepper moths are changes within a species change and not evolution. Things like island based dwarfism are also just intra-species change, but not speciation. These examples demonstrate natural selection without full blown evolution. If you deny even this form of natural selection, then stop reading because what follows will simply make you angry.
Other modern examples of natural selection include drug resistant bacteria, chemically resistant weeds, and pesticide resistant insects. The flu virus mutates as it passes through people bypassing the immunities generated to its earlier forms, which is one of the reasons why the flu shot changes most years. Positive mutation and natural selection are demonstrable within our lifetime. Most species have not changed much within our lifetime, but there are some very testable examples such as bacteria, plants, insects, and other micro-organisms.
Assuming natural selection is acceptable, but evolution is not, is it possible that evolution is sometimes true? The most strongly supported example of evolutionary change over time is the modern day horse. It has the most complete transitional fossil record of any species living today. Spend a little time on Wikipedia for a bite sized explanation of equine evolution. It is hard to explain the fossil record of horses without accepting that evolution is at least sometimes true. If evolution is never true, how do we explain how both modern horses and pre-historic horses have no contemporaneous fossils? Either creation is a continuous event, meaning the creator is constantly adding new species as other species die out, or speciation occurred through transition. Horses are far from the only example of animals with clear transitional species. What about Neanderthals? What about the transitional forms of elephants? There are thousands of examples with millions of fossils. Even if you reject carbon dating, sediment layers consistently show the time sequencing of different species. If you reject this assertion of clear physical evidence of evolution being at least sometimes true, then stop reading now because you'll only get angrier.
Let's assume that evolution is sometimes true but fails as a general theory. One of the common counterpoints is that a few species that appear to be static for an extended period of time. Let's examine what that means. Natural selection means that change benefits the species or individual organism or it causes no harm. Change that causes harm means the offspring with the negative change die off more frequently than offspring without the variation. If a species is well suited to its environment and experiences no external pressures by species changing around it, then it will not change. There are a handful of species that demonstrate this lack of change for an extended period of time such as the lungfish. This is called evolutionary stasis.
Incomplete evidence of evolution for a single species does not invalidate the whole theory because there is no better explanation for the whole of the evidence or the perceived exceptions. The evidence we have today requires one of two explanations - either evolution is true or creation is continually occurring. People have never witnessed the act of "creating" a new species. Consequently, we have no evidence that creation is continually occurring, so it must be evolution that is the better theory.
Creationists can still salvage a form of creation by going with the hypothesis that the creator initiated life and set evolution in motion. However, this is where we would have to legitimately part ways. In my opinion, no one knows for sure how life started, which justifies no explanation other than "we don't know." However, theistic evolution is still evolution.
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I don't think so.
I don't believe you found anything funny. I bet you didn't even smile.
You atheists are a humorless bunch.
which
Humorless or not it doesn't change the evidence supporting evolution... Or somehow invalidate the atheist position.
Albert Einstein's opinions are worth more than your 'facts'.
I suggest you read his 1930 paper, "What I Believe".
If you still claim that Intelligent Design is a non-starter, you are just being obtuse.
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opinion piece
Einstein's opinion piece was not a formal paper with evidence to support his claims, it was an opinion piece.
Einstein's views on religion are also not exactly the most stirring endorsement of religion. He declared himself to be an agnostic, and decried the notion of a personal or otherwise anthropomorphic deity as childish.
He loudly declared his belief in "Spinoza's God"... Which is more of a recast of the material universe as a deity, not a description of a deity as an active intelligence. Indeed such a deity is, by definition, not scientifically provable.
I know.
However, order in the universe IS!
We all know that Einstein rejected the idea of a personal God. I didn't claim otherwise, so enough with the strawmen. He mathematically proved that the universe was created by a design, and was smart enough to know that he wasn't smart enough to be able to fathom what that intelligence might be.
Again. His "opinions" are worth far more than your facts, and there are no self-respecting scientists who are willing or able to disprove his knowledge on this subject. You insult yourself by trying.
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prove
Where exactly did he prove mathematically that the universe was designed? After all order does not mean design.
In his original formulation of general relativity.
When Hubble verified it, Einstein had no choice to accept it as truth, not merely a theory. This was the when he accepted that, there was a "the necessity for a beginning," and to "the presence of a superior reasoning power."
What.... They didn't teach you this in school? Maybe you didn't read that text, or you did and didn't comprehend it.
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Focus
We studied his theories, the predictions they made, and the evidence that supported those predictions... not his opinions.
You still have not shown me where in his work he 'proves' the existence of a deity / designer.
Last time.
His opinion is better informed and more reliable than your proof. By a factor of 1000.
You are embarrassing yourself by discounting his educated belief. Not only am I not smart enough to explain his methods, even if I were, you are hardly smart enough to understand the explanation. Why even ask? Is this how you intend to win the argument?
pfft.
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Opinion
Without evidence his opinion is no different from mine. Indeed my knowledge base regarding the biological sciences far exceeds Albert Einstein because so many advances have been made since his time.
If he had actual evidence then you could point to his formal papers on the subject.
As to my ability "to understand the explanation"... I started playing around with some of the basics of relativity back in high school (such as the Lorentz contraction), and while I may not be an expert on the theory I've explored a good portion of it over the years. It isn't exceptionally complicated (compared to modern Quantum Mechanics and M-Theory).
Your position here is unbelievable.
I, literally, cannot believe you went there.
I think it is great you think so highly of yourself. Merry Christmas.
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Tyranny
As I was told a long time ago... Science is bound to the tyranny of evidence, not what we want or hope.
Albert Einstein voiced his opinion on the subject, but he provided no evidence to support what you claim to be true.
We are living things, not machines...
Poor Joseph... Going with the 7th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism are we? Anyway... the term complex is relative. You can watch a single cell organism divide it's cells and over a span of about 9 months, evolve into a human. I ask you this question... if there was a designer... who designed the designer? By your explanation if your god had no designer, then your god is an athiest.
silliest thing I've heard.
That's the silliest argument I've ever heard. I'm sorry your atheism manual lied to you. And no, I'm not going to use any of your links. make your argument yourself or fail.
Oops, I forgot to explain why your argument is silly. Let me demonstrate.
Your argument is silly because you used the first foundational falsehood of atheism.
You are a child.
You're still here?
Still trolling I see.Someone is pretending to not know the difference between abiogenesis and evolution.
sorry
I'm not visiting your keylogging site.