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NRA Releases List of Celebrities, Organizations that Support Gun Control
The National Rifle Association (NRA) recently released a list of gun control advocates.
According to the list, these people and companies have given money and/or support to gun control measures and/or organizations such as the Brady Act and the Clinton assault weapons ban, reports the Daily Mail.
According to the NRA, celebrities who believe in some sort of gun control in America (the most violent industrialized nation) include: Jack Nicholson, Sylvester Stallone, Dick Van Dyke, George Clooney and Lauren Bacall.
The NRA claims that these businesses support gun control in an effort to reduce deaths: National Spinal Cord Injury Association, the American Medical Association, Levi Strauss & Co., Hallmark Cards, Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance, Ben & Jerry`s and the American Association of Retired Persons.
The NRA also listed the Episcopal Church-Washington Office, Kansas City Royals baseball team, Gannet Publications, the New York Times and Motorcycle Cruiser Magazine.
Here is the complete list:
AARP
AFL-CIO
Ambulatory Pediatric Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Civil Liberties Union
American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
American Medical Women`s Association
American Medical Student Association
American Medical Association
American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
American Trauma Society
American Federation of Teachers
American Association of School Administrators
American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for World Health
American Ethical Union
American Nurses Association
American Association of Neurological Surgeons
American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
American Firearms Association
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Jewish Committee
American Trauma Society
American Psychological Association
American Jewish Congress
American Public Health Association
Americans for Democratic Action
Anti-Defamation League
Black Mental Health Alliance
B`nai B`rith
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Children`s Defense Fund
Church of the Brethren
Coalition for Peace Action
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
College Democrats of America
Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
Common Cause
Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Consumer Federation of America
Council of the Great City Schools
Council of Chief State School Officers
Dehere Foundation
Disarm Educational Fund
Environmental Action Foundation
Episcopal Church-Washington Office
Florence and John Shumann Foundation
Friends Committee on National Legislation
General Federation of Women`s Clubs
George Gund Fun
Gray Panthers
H.M. Strong Foundation
Hadassah
Harris Foundation
Hechinger Foundation
Interfaith Neighbors
Int`l Ladies` Garment Workers` Union
Int`l Association of Educators for World Peace
Jewish Labor Committee
Joyce Foundation
Lauder Foundation
Lawrence Foundation
League of Women Voters of the United States*
Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Manhattan Project II
Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
National Safe Kids Campaign
National Association of Police Organizations
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Black Nurses` Association
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
National Network for Youth
National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Counties*
National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Education Association
National Association of Elementary School Principals*
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Association of Secondary School Principals
National Association of Social Workers
National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
National Association of School Psychologists
National Council of La Raza
National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament
National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
National Council of Negro Women
National Association of Community Health Centers
National People`s Action
National Education Association*
National League of Cities
National Council on Family Relations
National Council of Jewish Women
National Organization for Women
National Political Congress of Black Women
National Parks and Conservation Association
National Peace Foundation
National Urban League, Inc.
National Parent, Teachers Association*
National Urban Coalition
National SAFE KIDS Campaign
National Organization on Disability
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Ortenberg Foundation
Peace Action
People for the American Way
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Police Foundation
Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
Public Citizen
SaferWorld
Society of Critical Care Medicine
Southern Christian Leadership Conference
The Council of the Great City Schools
The Synergetic Society
20/20 Vision
U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Unitarian Universalist Association
United States Catholic Conference
United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
United States Conference of Mayors
War and Peace Foundation
Women Strike for Peace
Women`s National Democratic Club
Women`s Action for New Directions (WAND)
Women`s Int`l League for Peace and Freedom
World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
YWCA of the U.S.A.
*The national organization only endorses federal legislation.
Krista Allen – Actress
Suzy Amis – Actress
Louis Anderson – Comedian
Richard Dean Anderson – Actor
Maya Angelou – Poet
David Arquette – Actor
Ed Asner – Actor
Alec Baldwin – Actor
Bob Barker – TV Personality
Carol Bayer Sager – Composer
Drew Barrymore – Actress
Kevin Bacon – Actor
Lauren Bacall – Actress*
Sarah Ban Breathnach – Writer
William Baldwin – Actor
Candice Bergen – Actress
Richard Belzer – Actor
Tony Bennett – Singer
Boys II Men – Pop Group
Jon Bon Jovi – Singer
Peter Bogdonovich – Director
Peter Bonerz – Actor
Albert Brooks – Actor
Beau Bridges – Actor
Benjamin Bratt – Actor
Bonnie Bruckheimer – Movie Producer
Christie Brinkley – Model
Dr. Joyce Brothers – Psychologist/Author
James Brolin – Actor
James Brooks – TV Producer
Mel Brooks – Actor/Director
Betty Buckley – Actress
Ellen Burstyn – Actress
Steve Buscemi – Actor
David Canary – Actor
Kate Capshaw – Actress
Kim Cattrall- Actress
Josh Charles – Actor
Robert Chartloff – Producer
Stockard Channing – Actress
Jill Clayburgh – Actress
Terri Clark – Singer
George Clooney – Actor
Jackie Cooper – Actor/Director*
Jennifer Connelly – Actress
Judy Collins – Singer
Kevin Costner – Actor
Sean Connery – Actor
Sheryl Crow – Singer
Billy Crystal- Actor
Julie Cypher – Director
Arlene Dahl – Actress
Clive Davis – Writer
Linda Dano – Actress
Matt Damon – Actor
Pam Dawber – Actress
Patrika Darbo – Actress
Stuart Damon – Actor
Ellen Degeneres – Actress
Gavin de Becker – Writer
Rebecca DeMornay – Actress
Danny DeVito – Actor
Michael Douglas – Actor
Phil Donahue – Talk Show Host
Richard Donner – Director
Fran Drescher – Actress
Richard Dreyfus – Actor
David Duchovny – Actor
Sandy Duncan – Actress
Christine Ebersole – Actress
Kenneth “Babyface” Edmonds – Singer
Missy Elliott – Singer
Nora Ephron – Director
Gloria Estefan – Singer
Melissa Etheridge – Singer
Mia Farrow – Actress
Mike Farrell – Actor
Carrie Fisher – Actress
Sally Field – Actress
Doug Flutie – NFL player
Fannie Flagg – Actress
Jane Fonda – Actress
Jodie Foster – Actress
Rick Fox – NBA Player
Andy Garcia – Actor
Art Garfunkel – Singer
Geraldo – TV personality
Richard Gere – Actor
Kathie Lee Gifford – TV personality
Paul Glaser – TV director
Brad Gooch – Writer
Elliott Gould – Actor
Louis Gossett, Jr. – Actor
Michael Gross – Actor
Nancy Lee Grahn – Actress
Bryant Gumbel – TV Personality
Deidra Hall – Actress
Ethan Hawke – Actor
Mariette Hartley – Actress
Mark Harmon – Actor
Anne Heche – Actress
Howard Hessman – Actor
Marilu Henner – Actress
Dustin Hoffman – Actor
Hal Holbrook – Actor*
Helen Hunt – Actress
Grace-Lynne Ingle – Actress
John Ingle – Actor
Francesca James – TV Producer
Norman Jewison – Director
Lainie Kazan – Actress
Richard Karn – Actor
Jeffrey Katzenberg – Producer
Barry Kemp – TV Producer
David E. Kelley – TV Producer
Diane Keaton – Actress
Margaret Kemp – Interior Designer
Chaka Khan – Singer
Coreta Scott King – Activist
Kevin Kline – Actor
Michael E. Knight – Actor
Jonathan Kozol – Writer
William Kovacs – Director
Lenny Kravits – Singer
Lisa Kudrow – Actress
Wally Kurth – Actor
Christine Lahti – Actress
k.d. lang – Singer
Ricki Lake – TV personality
Denis Leary – Actor
John Leguizamo – Actor
Norman Lear – TV Producer
Spike Lee – Director
Hal Linden – Actor
Lisa Linde – Actress
Tara Lipinski – Former Olympian
Keyshawn Johnson – NFL player
Rob Lowe – Actor
Amanda Marshall – Singer
Barry Manilow – Singer
Camryn Manheim – Actress
Howie Mandel – Actor
Kyle MacLachlan – Actor
Madonna – Singer
Marla Maples – Actress
Marsha Mason – Actress*
Mase – Singer
Penny Marshall – Director
Prema Mathai-Davis – YWCA Official
John McDaniel – Musician
John McEnroe – Athlete
Brian McKnight – Musician
Natalie Merchant – Singer
Bette Midler – Singer
Shane Minor – Musician
Mary Tyler Moore – Actress
Michael Moore – Film Maker
Norval Morris – Law Professor
Mike Myers – Actor
N Sync – Music group
Kathy Najimy – Actress
Jack Nicholson – Actor
Leonard Nimoy – Actor
Mike Nichols – Director
Stephen Nichols – Actor
Rosie O`Donnel l- Actress/Talk Show Host
Jennifer O Neill – Actress
Julia Ormond – Actress
Jane Pauley – TV Personality
Sarah Jessica Parker – Actress
Mandy Patinkin – Actor
Richard North Patterson – Writer
Rhea Perlman- Actress
Michelle Pfieffer – Actress
Sydney Pollack – Director
Aidan Quinn – Actor
Colin Quinn – Actor
Dennis Quaid – Actor
Elizabeth Bracco Quinn – Actress
Bonnie Raitt – Singer
Debbie Reynolds – Actress
Mary Lou Retton – Former Olympian
Paul Reiser – Actor
Peter Reckell – Actor
Rob Reiner – Actor/Director
Robert Redford – Actor/Director
Anne Rice – Writer
Cathy Rigby – Actress
Julia Roberts – Actress
Marc Rosen – TV Producer
Tim Robbins – Actor
Tim Roth – Actor
Renee Russo – Actress
Robin Ruzan – Wife of Mike Myers
Meg Ryan – Actress
Susan Sarandon – Actress
Jerry Seinfeld – Actor
Kyra Sedgwick – Actress
Martin Sheen – Actor
Russell Simmons – Record Producer
Neil Simon – Playwright*
Louise Sorel – Actress
Mira Sorvino – Actress
Rena Sofer – Actress
Britney Spears – Singer
Bruce Springsteen – Singer
Kevin Spirtas – Actor
Barbra Streisand – Singer
David Steinberg – Director
Sylvester Stallone – Actor
Harry Dean Stanton – Actor
Meryl Streep – Actress
Patrick Stewart – Actor
Sharon Stone – Actress
Sting – Singer
Trudie Styler – Actress
Jonathan Taylor Thomas – Actor
The Temptations – Pop Group
Vinny Testaverde – NFL player
Marlo Thomas – Actress*
Uma Thurman – Actress
Steve Tisch – Producer
Mike Torrez – Former Baseball player
Shania Twain – Singer
Dick Van Dyke – Actor
Eli Wallach – Actor*
Ruth Warrick – Actress
Harvey Weinstein – Producer
Jann Wenner – Publisher
Sigourney Weaver – Actress
Victor Webster – Actor
James Whitmore – Actor*
Andy Williams – Singer*
Kelli Williams – Actress
Henry Winkler – Actor
Oprah Winfrey – Entertainer
Rita Wilson – Actress
Vanessa Williams – Singer
Herman Wouk – Author
Joanne Woodward – Actress*
Peter Yarrow – Singer
Catherine Zeta-Jones – Actress
Ahmet Zappa -Actor
Diva Zappa -Actress
Dweezil Zappa – Musician
Gail Zappa -
Moon Zappa -Actress
* Membership on the Brady Campaign`s National Committee
Joel J. Alpert M.D. – Pediatrician
Robert Bernstein Ph.D – Pediatrician
Robert E. Brennan – Financier
Bishop Edmond Browning – Espiscopal Leader
James E. Carter – Former President
Marion Wright Edelman – Director, Childrens Defense Fund
Michael Eisner, Former Chairman and CEO The Walt Disney Company
Ahmet Ertegun – Music Producer
Amitai Etzioni – Teacher
Tom Freston – MTV President
Dr. Lorraine E. Hale – Social Worker
Della M. Hughes – Activist
Ed Koch – Former Politician
C. Everett Koop – Former Surgeon General
Rev. Wallace Ryan Kuroiwa – Clergyman
Davis S. Liederman – Ex. Dir. Child Welfare League
Paul Rabbi Menitaff – Clergyman
Abner Mikva – Former Judge
Richard Parsons – Pres. Time Warner
Steven Rockefeller – Financier
Ellen Y. Rosenberg – Activist
Rabbi David Saperstein – Clergyman
Herb Scannel – Pres. Nickelodeon
Vincent Schiraldi – Dir. Justice Policy Institute
Lyle Elmer Strom – Federal Judge
Joe Volk – Clergyman
Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie – Clergyman
Steve Benson – Cartoonist
Tony Auth – Cartoonist
Jim Borgman – Cartoonist
Jimmy Breslin – Columnist
Stuart Carlson – Cartoonist
Marie Cocco – Columnist
E.J. Dionne Jr. – Columnist
Bonnie Erbe – Columnist
Tom Fiedler – Columnist
Michael Gartner – Columnist
Mark Genrich – Columnist
James Glassman – Editor
Bob Herbert – Columnist
Bill Johnson – Columnist
Donald Kaul – Columnist
Mike Lane – Cartoonist
Leonard Larson – Columnist
Mike Luckovich – Cartoonist
Jimmy Margulies – Cartoonist
Deborah Mathis – Columnist
Colman McCarthy – Columnist
Jim Morin – Cartoonist
Tom Oliphant- Columnist
Mike Peters – Cartoonist
Robert Reno – Columnist
Frank Rich – Columnist
Cindy Richards – Columnist
Kevin Siers- Cartoonist
Ed Stein – Cartoonist
Tom Teepen – Editor
Tim Toles – Cartoonist
Garry Trudeau – Cartoonist
Cynthia Tucker – Columnist
Steve Twomey – Columnist
Steve Villano – Columnist
Adrienne Washington – Columnist
Don Wright – Cartoonist
A & M Records
Al Cafaro, Chrm. & CEO
595 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
(212) 826-0477
www.amrecords.com
Record Production, Entertainment
American Century Companies
James E. Stowers, CEO
4500 Main St., 4th Floor
Kansas City, MO 64111
(816) 531-5575
www.americancentury.com
Mutual Fund & Stock Investment Company on NYSE
American Multi Cinemas Entertainment, Inc.
Stanley H. Durwood, Co-Chairman, CEO Peter C. Brown, President, CFO
106 West 14th Street, #1700
Kansas City, MO 64141
(816) 221-4000
www.amctheaters.com
Movie Theater Company
Argosy Casino
H. Steven Norton, President, CEO
777 N.W. Argosy Parkway
Riverside, MO 64150
(816) 746-7711
www.argosycasinos.com/
Gambling Casino Company
Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc.
Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO
Rte. 100, Box 240
Waterbury, VT 05676
(802) 244-5641
www.benjerry.com
Ice cream and frozen yogurt
BJC Health Systems
Fred L. Brown, President & CEO
4444 Forest Park Ave.
St. Louis, MO 63108
(314) 747-9322
www.bjc.org/
Healthcare Company
Blue Cross Blue Shield – Kansas City
John P. Mascotte, President
P.O. Box 419169
Kansas City, MO 64141
(816) 395-2222
Healthcare Company
Brooks Investments-Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks
45 Chesterfield Lakes Road
Chesterfield, MO 63005
Investment Company
Carter Hawley Hale Stores, Inc.
Philip M. Hawley, Chrm. & CEO
444 South Flower Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
(213) 620-0150
Retail clothing and accessories stores
Crown Central Petroleum Corp.
Henry A. Rosenberg, Jr.
One North Central Street Box 1168
Baltimore, MD 21203
(301) 539-7400
Refiners and marketers of petroleum products, convenience stores
Development Specialists – Chicago
70 W. Madison Street, #2300
Chicago, IL 60602
(312) 263-4141
Earthgrains – St. Louis
8400 Maryland Ave.
St. Louis, MO 63105
(314) 259-7000
www.ironkids.com/Pages/Earthgrains.html
National Bread Company
General American – St. Louis
Richard A. Liddy, CEO
P.O. Box 396
St. Louis, MO 63166
(314) 843-8700
www.genam.com
Life Insurance
Hallmark Cards
Irvine O. Hockaday, President & CEO
P.O. Box 418307
Kansas City, MO 64141
(816) 274-5111
www.hallmark.com
Greeting Card Company
Health Midwest
2316 East Meyer Boulevard
Kansas City, MO 64132
(816) 751-3000
www.healthmidwest.org
National Healthcare Company
ICN Biomedicals
Adam Jerney, Chrm. & CEO
3300 Hyland Avenue
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
(714) 545-0113
www.icnbiomed.com
Pharmaceutical products
James B. Nutter Co. – Kansas City
James B. Nutter
4153 Broadway
Kansas City, MO 64111
(816) 531-2345
Investment Banker
Kansas City Chiefs
One Arrowhead Drive
Kansas City, MO 64129
(816) 924-9300
www.kcchiefs.com
Pro Football Team
Kansas City Royals
David Glass, CEO
P.O. Box 419969
Kansas City, MO 64141
(816) 921-8000
www.kcroyals.com
Pro Baseball Team
Kenneth Cole
152 W. 57th Street
New York, NY 10019
(800) 536-2653
www.kennethcole.com
Clothing retailer
Lamar Advertising Company
Lamar Outdoor Advertising
5551 Corporate Boulevard, Suite 2-A
Baton Rouge, LA 70808
P. O. Box 66338
Baton Rouge, LA 70896
(225) 926-1000
Fax (225) 926-1005
www.lamar.com
Levi Strauss & Co.
Robert D. Haas, Chairman
Philip Marineau, CEO
Peter A. Jacobi, President and COO
1155 Battery St.
San Francisco, CA 94111
(415) 501-6000
FAX (415) 501-3939
www.levistrauss.com
Clothing
Mallinckrodt, Inc. – St. Louis
C. Ray Holman, President & CEO
675 McDonnell Blvd, Box 5840
St. Louis, MO 63134
(314) 654-2000
www.mallinckrodt.com
Clothing Starch Company
Michael Douglas Foundation
3550 Wilshire
Los Angele, CA 90010
MNC Financial, Inc.
Ten Light Street Box 987
Baltimore, MD 21203
(301) 244-5000
Banking, financial services
Sara Lee Corporation
Sara Lee Foundation
Three First National Plaza
Chicago, IL 60602-4260
Phone: 312-726-2600
www.saralee.com
Fax: 312-726-3712
Silver Dollar City
Peter Herschend
One Corporate Drive
Branson, MO 65616
800 475-9370
www.silverdollarcity.com
Amusement Parks
Site Oil Company – St. Louis
Alvin J. Siteman, President
50 S. Bemiston
St. Louis, MO 63105
(314) 725-4321
Oil Company
Southland Corporation
Masatoshi Ito, Chrm.
2711 North Haskell Avenue
Dallas, TX 75221
www.7-eleven.com
Convenience stores
Southwestern Bell Telephone- St. Louis
One Bell Center
St. Louis, MO 63101
(314) 235-9800
www.swbell.com
Telecommunications Firm
Sport & Health, Inc.
Don Konz, CEO
1800 Old Meadow Rd.
McLean, Virginia 22102
(703) 556-6556
www.sportandhealth.com
Health clubs and fitness centers
Sprint Corp PAC
Westwood, KS 66205
913 624-3000
www.sprint.com
Telecommunicaitons Firm
SSM Health System – St. Louis
477 N. Lindbergh
St. Louis, MO 63141
(314) 994-7800
Healthcare Company
St. Louis Rams
One Rams Way
Earth City, MO 63045
(314) 982-7267
www.stlouisrams.com
Pro Football Team
St. Louis University
Rev. Lawrence Biondi, President
221 N. Grand Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63103
(314) 977-2222
www.slu.edu
Private Catholic University
Stoneyfield Farms Yogurt
Mr. Gary Hirshberg, CEO
10 Burton Drive
Londonderry, NH 03053
(603) 437-7594
Yogurt
Sverdrup Corp.
Richard E. Beumer,
Chairman & CEO
13723 Riverport Drive
Maryland Heights, MO 63043
(314) 436-7600
www.sverdrup.com
Engineering Firm
Time Warner Inc.
Gerald M. Levin, Chrm. & CEO
75 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10019
(212) 484-8000
www.pathfinder.com/corp/
Publishing, film and music recordings
TMP Worldwide/Monster.Com
Andrew McKelvey, CEO
1633 Broadway, 33rd Fl.
New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-977-4200
Fax: 212-956-2142
www.tmpw.com
www.monster.com
online employment service
Unity Health – St. Louis
1650 Des Peres Road #301
St. Louis, MO 63131
(314) 909-3300
www.smhs.com/unityheath.html
Healthcare Company
Working Assets
Peter Barnes, Founder
701 Montgomery Street
San Francisco, California 94111
(415) 788-0777
www.workingassets.com
Capital Cities/ABC
Television Network
77 W. 66th Street
New York, NY 10023-6298
(212) 456-7777
Bell Atlantic-D.C.
2055 L Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
(202) 392-9900
Blue Chip Stamps
15801 S. Eastern Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90040
(213) 720-4600
The Christian Publishing Society
The Christian Science Monitor
One Norway Street
Boston, MA 02115
(508) 586-6200
Columbia Broadcasting Service
CBS Television Network
51 W. 52nd Street
New York, NY 10019
(212) 975-4321
Corporation For Public Broadcasting/ PBS Television
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314-1698
(703) 739-5000
(703) 739-0775 – Fax
Cox Newspapers
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Credibank Towers, Suite 400
2800 Biscayne Blvd.
Miami, FL 33137
(305) 576-7678
Gannett News Service
USA Today
1000 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22229
(703) 276-5806
Johnson Publishing Company, Inc.
Ebony Magazine
820 S. Michigan avenue
Chicago, IL 60605-2190
(312) 322-9250
Knight-Ridder Newspapers
Detroit Free-Press
321 W. LaFayette Blvd.
Detroit, MI 48231
(313) 222-6400
Miami Herald
One Herald Plaza
Miami, FL 33132-1683
(305) 350-2111
Los Angeles Times
Times Mirror Square
Los Angeles, California 90053
(213) 237-4511
(213) 237-7679 – Fax
McCall`s Magazine
110 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY 10017-5603
(212) 463-1000
Motorcycle Cruiser Magazine
Emap PLC
6420 Wilshire Blvd., Floor 17
Los Angeles, California 90048
(323) 782-2000
National Broadcasting Company
NBC Television Network
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
(212) 664-4444
Newsweek, Inc.
Newsweek Magazine
444 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022-6999
(212) 350-4000
Rolling Stone Magazine
Jann Wenner, Chrm. & CEO
745 5th, Avenue
New York, NY 10151
(212) 758-3800
The New York Times Corporation
The New York Times
229 W. 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036
(212) 556-1234
Time Magazine
Time & Life Building
Rockefeller Center
New York, NY 10020
(212) 522-1212
Times-Mirror Corporation
The Los Angeles Times
Times Mirror Square
Los Angeles, CA 90053
(213) 237-3000
The Baltimore Sun
501 N. Calvert Street
Baltimore, MD 21278
(301) 332-6300
The Tribune Company
Chicago Tribune
435 N. Michigan Avenue
Chicago, IL 60611
(312) 227-3000
Washington Post
1150 15th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20071
(202) 334-6000
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Comments
DesElms calls conservatives
DesElms calls conservatives "anti-retiree". He prefers the liberals, who are bankrupting America. Somehow he thinks a Social Security system that incurs a $90 trillion obligation which the country cannot pay is good for retirees.
DesElms isn't stupid. He's insane. Only an insane person would think you could spend more than you earn forever with no consequences.
Then he mocks conservatives claiming they don't know history. He apparently is ignorant, either innocently or deliberately, that the Democrats founded the KKK and fought the Republicans for 100 years before finally caving in and supporting civil rights.
Now they claim to be the great supporters of the blacks, yet they have destroyed the black family and community and enslaved them in poverty and debt.
If you want to know what Democrats support and believe in, look at Detroit. That is America's future. A crime ridden, bombed out, broken down, poverty stricken country with less than half the jobs it used to have.
Liberals aren't stupid. They're criminally insane.
I'm SO glad I quit AARP last
I'm SO glad I quit AARP last year, because of their giving millions of dollars of free publicity to the Obamas in their magazine, and their paying for television ads favoring ObamaCare/"the Affordable Care Act". I use the insurance that AARP has endorsed and United Health Care sells, but month after month, when I pay my insurance premiums by telephone, I am asked to rejoin AARP and every time I refuse (United Health Care is obliged under the terms of their license not to discriminate against non-members of AARP). Now, it comes out that AARP is in the gun control racket with Obama and the Democratic Party, and when AARP asks me to join their racket this time, I'll add their support for gun control to the list of reasons they can go to Hell.
NRA's done us all a great service. The very least we can do for the people and firms on this list for trying to abolish our civil rights is to not give them the money which helps them do it. I decided last month never to watch another live broadcast from ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and PBS as long as they slant their news stories to support the Democratic Party, gun control, Barack Obama and other liberal causes and politicians. It's clear what we must do - make it hard on the people who want to remove our civil rights, just as African-Americans boycotted the supporters of segregation and racism.
Thanks, Opposing Views, for printing this list!
@loupgarous, Yeah, I
@loupgarous,
Yeah, I remember when I was offered a free AARP membership, and so, what the heck, I signed-up; and then, later, I spotted, when I was Googling something, anti-AARP-on-account-of-its-politics comments; so, then I investigated to see what in the heck such commenters were talking about. What I found was that AARP did, indeed, seem to not share conservative viewpoints (but, then, again, neither did the majority of Americans this past November... of which your likes remain in denial); and the alternative to AARP that your likes seem to be recommending is these guys...
* http://generationamerica.org/
* http://amac.us/
* http://www.americanseniors.org/
* http://www.ussa.us.com
* http://naocs.us/
...and several others... all of them CONSERVATIVE; and all of them against such as President Obama's affordable health care legislation, as well as, most of them, in favor of privatizing Social Security... and all manner of other anti-retirees positions. That's how the Right plays. They create organizations which SAY they do things, like advocate for the elderly, but what they really do is help corporate America... just as the NRA now represents gun makers, and not gun owners; and just as degree/diploma mills create fake accreditor websites; and just as computer virus makers create fake/rogue computer anti-virus software that is actually a virus in and of itself. That's how such companies work... because they know there'll always be the gullible likes of you who'll bite.
SEE ALSO: http://bit.ly/V6AHdo (the Media Matters website)
So, if that's what you'd prefer over AARP, then fine... please... go.
No, seriously: Please go.
As for your whole, insensible, complete-lie-of-a "slanted" news media thing, and its tired, old "liberal bias" underpinnings: I just covered that with you in another post beneath another article. Please go read it (yeah... right... like THAT's gonna' happen).
As for your laughable whole straight-from-the-FOX-NEWS-CHANNEL-echo-chamber "just as African-Americans boycotted the supporters of segregation and racism" thing: Please give me a moment to stop laughing. It was YOUR likes whom they were boycotting, fortheloveofgod. Just go ahead and find a black person who was actually around back then (and who isn't either a misguided disciple of such as Herman Cain; or a clearly-doesn't-understand-history numbskull like Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott, or Michael Steele) who thinks their enemies, then, were liberals. Go ahead... find just one! I dare ya'.
SEE, ALSO: http://nyti.ms/10sIFTu (NY Times)
Geez, pick-up a freakin' history book, will ya'? And by that, of course, I don't mean a history book bearing the Texas School Board's stamp of approval.
Oh, the delicious ironies.
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
Veritas nihil veretur nisi abscondi.
Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.
DesElms: To a degree, I can
DesElms: To a degree, I can see your point; but I have a question for you! If it's true what you say about the nasty Right (as you make them out to be); then what is the justification of a Left-leaning liberal newspaper doing printing a list on it's front page of all the people within that whole area that own guns (and even prints their addresses no less)and some of the people on that list work at the state penatentry in that area(and got a lot of flak from the inmate population as to what to expect when some of them are released from prison). We can call the one (the newspaper) free journalism; while we call the NRA every name under the sun except reasonable??? The one thing I am sick and tired of hearing is hoiw great the Demacrats are and how worthless the Republicans are!!! To me, the Demacrats are the most worthless, and the biggest liers that ever came about. Any more you really don't know who too believe because everyone has their own agenda rather then the agenda of the people who voted them into office!!!The Demacrats are no better then the Republicans; and the Republicans are no worse then the Demacrats!!!!!
Author Michael Allen makes
Author Michael Allen makes the absurd claim that the US is "the most violent industrialized nation" - but a simple Google search finds that the number of violent crimes per capita is higher in the UK, Canada, France, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Finland, Belgium, Sweden, South Africa, and Austria, among others. The UK alone has a violent crime rate over 4 times higher than the US.
How has this guy been allowed to write for NBC News or HowStuffWorks, when he can't even check basic facts?
@brian0918, I was able to
@brian0918,
I was able to find the rates for intentional homicides, but those do not seem to reflect the rates you mentioned above. If you have information about violent crime rates in general, I would appreciate a link. I had trouble locating anything about it other than articles written by "agenda" sites who offered no supporting references.
This news article has the
This news article has the stats summarized: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
Australia http://www.abs.gov.
Australia
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/4510.02011?OpenDocument
http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/F/F/B/%7bFFB9E49F-160F-43FC-B98D-6BC510DC2AFD%7dmr01.pdf
Canada
http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/subject-sujet/subtheme- soustheme.action;jsessionid=8D2AA1C6360138D81357F63393EC6C97?pid=2693&id=2102&lang=eng&more=0
England
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science...
Ireland
http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/crimeandjustice/
Israel
http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/yarhon/r1_e.htm
South Africa & others! (one link)
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDoKgtjrxQ9CgADbSJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dviolent%2Bcrime%2Brate%2Bsouth%2Bafrica%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D12&w=213&h=200&imgurl=www.issafrica.org%2Fpubs%2FCrimeQ%2FNo17%2FTable1BruceCQ17.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.issafrica.org%2Fpgcontent.php%3FUID%3D29351&size=16.2+KB&name=ISS+-+01+Oct+2006%3A+RACISM%2C+SELF-ESTEEM+AND+VIOLENCE+IN+SOUTH+AFRICA+...&p=violent+crime+rate+south+africa&oid=2639a2f315b04f6fe2138c0ca8d2640c&fr2=&fr=yfp-t-701&tt=ISS%2B-%2B01%2BOct%2B2006%253A%2BRACISM%252C%2BSELF-ESTEEM%2BAND%2BVIOLENCE%2BIN%2BSOUTH%2BAFRICA%2B...&b=0&ni=140&no=12&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11gctcnm5&sigb=13urjso35&sigi=11m25us4q&.crumb=W1Nx6yP/D9c
I'm not really sure what the
I'm not really sure what the NRA is trying to say or prove by printing a list of citizens who were willing to put their money "where their mouth is" and donate to causes they support. Isn't this what most Americans do? What has their occupation to do with anything? Is the NRA telling us that it cannot tell the difference from role-playing fantasies like movies or games and real weapons that can kill? I think it's obvious that these "entertainers" can. I don't think anyone who is serious about gun ownership in the US(from one side or the other) is influenced in anyway by celebrity opinions. Every American has the right to express their views or donate to anything they want.
If the NRA hopes that gun advocates will boycott their local YMCA or one of the religious organizations that support creating gun laws, then I can understand why they would print this list of organizations. No one should give money to an organization that donates it to caused they oppose. More people should be aware of where their money is going when they make a donation to a group. Since most gun owners are NOT EVEN MEMBERS OF THE NRA, clearly the Media should not be quoting the NRA as though they speak for anyone one but themselves. They represent far less Americans than the YMCA or other organizations they have listed here. But in my opinion the matter of legislating guns should be decided by the people in each State. We were not created to be a " ONE SIZE FITS ALL" nation. The people of each State know their needs, social customs & culture attitudes better than a centralized government. Let the States continue to create their own limits on fire arms if they want them, and then let the Supreme Court determine if any of those laws conflict with their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
We know the people on the
We know the people on the list feel that way, and really, we're not trying to shame you. What we're trying to do is to educate ourselves as to which organizations not to support.
It's sort of like if the NAACP published a list of organizations that businesses and foundations that quietly contribute to the Ku Klux Klan.
It never ceases to amaze me
It never ceases to amaze me that which those on the Right think are shameful. By their clueless standards, one's presence on this list is something of which one should be ashamed. They simply cannot see that,
a) those on the list wear their presence there as a badge of honor; and,
b) everyone other than Right sees its touting of the list, and what it believe one's presence on it should means, as yet another indication of the Right's sheer, utter and unmitigated cluelessness...
...as one would have thought the Right would have learned -- and, yes, the hard way -- in the November general election. That it has not, for a long time, had its finger on the pulse of America is something which the Right just can't seem to get its collective mind wrapped around, much less accept.
And so the Right releases its list of supporters of gun control and just assumes that America will see it the way the Right sees it; and said Right completely misses that no one, other than it, shares its view.
It's kinda' hard to watch, actually.
Gregg L. DesElms
Napa, California USA
gregg at greggdeselms dot com
Veritas nihil veretur nisi abscondi.
Veritas nimium altercando amittitur.
The "Right" didn't publish
The "Right" didn't publish the list, the NRA did. They fully understand your point "a)", and expect their membership to shun those entities because of it. They no more fully expect "America" will see it the way they do any more than any other group who publishes lists of those who disagree with them. They publish it so like thinkers will have a list of people who oppose their views, so they may take action. Just like any other list of this sort. Say abortion clinics and supporters (just for example).
You aren't helping.
You aren't helping.
There's too many to boycott
There's too many to boycott all of them always, but when I have a choice I try. For example, I declined to see "Meet the Fockers" and "Little Fockers" because Dustin Hoffman demanded that the NRA put him on their enemies list. I mean, that was more than just having an opinion or giving a contribution -- he _declared_ got in the NRA's face and declared himself to be our enemy. I mean, what kind of masochist patronizes someone who does _that_?
fsilber, Is this what you're
fsilber,
Is this what you're referring to with regard to Hoffman?
"'As a supporter of comprehensive gun safety measures, I was deeply disappointed when I discovered my name was not on the list,' Hoffman wrote in a letter to the NRA that was released Tuesday.
'I was particularly surprised by the omission given my opposition to the loophole that makes it legal for 18- to 20-year-olds to buy handguns at gun shows,' he added."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/29/offbeat.blacklist.reut/
I'm not sure what is objectionable about his request.
You called this list an "enemies list". I find it much more objectionable that the NRA compiled and published a list that seems to be designed to intimidate those who made the cut.
I'm not anti-gun, by the way. I don't want one in my home, but as long as someone is sane and has no history of violence, keeps it secured, etc, I am not opposed to handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. The more I read about the issue, the more I lean toward supporting the reinstatement of the Federal Assault Weapons ban.
Shall we look at the FBI
Shall we look at the FBI report from several years ago?
Violent Encounters – A study of Felonious Assaults on our nations law enforcement officers USDOJ, FBI, National Institute of Justice August 2006
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49014330/Violent-Encounters-A-Study-of-Felonious-Assaults-on-Our-Nation-s-Law-Enforcement-Officers-by-DOJ
You should read the National Sciences Foundation report from 2004 on gun control laws, a study that was formed by the anti gun Clinton Administration so just like the Ludgwig & Cooke study noted below, doesn't prove any causality theory, much less any effect of gun control laws on violent crime.
An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003, National Institute of Justice, June 2004 http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf
E.G. Government admits the ban didnt do didley squat
Firearm Violence, a critical Review" 2004 http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=R2
Even more hilarious is the fact the antis try to manufacture a mountain out of a molehill.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls
2010 FBI UCR database shows 1.25 mil violent crimes reported (4 mil not reported USDOJ National Victimization report), 322,691 involved a firearm, 14,748 murders, 358 by illegal use of any type of rifle, 162 by use of a semi-auto rifle banned because they look evil.
(firearms were used in 67.5 percent of the Nation’s murders 14,748 = 9,955, 41.4 percent of 367,832 robberies =152,282, and 20.6 percent of aggravated assaults 778,901 =160,453.)
All while in 2010 FBI UCR, we see deaths committed by illegal use of hands, fists, feet, blunt objects and knives accounted over 3,259 deaths, each by themselves accounting for far more deaths than the anti’s mythical boogeyman, the semi-auto rifle banned because they look evil.
The anti’s really should get going on registering and banning hands, fist, feet, all type of blunt objects and all knives as clearly they are a more serious threat in the real world.
Yes. How else would we know
Yes. How else would we know which people consider us to be their enemies?
@fsilber, "Yes. How else
@fsilber,
"Yes. How else would we know which people consider us to be their enemies?"
So... you consider anyone who supports gun control legislation to be your enemy?
I ask, because I don't believe most people who support gun control legislation view gun owners in that way. Something like 75 percent of Americans do not support a ban on handguns, but it's pretty evenly split on the assault weapon ban. People may disagree with how to handle the issue, but your view on it seems pretty extreme.
Additional gun control
Additional gun control legislation will further tarnish our Constitutional freedoms
By Oscar Y. Harward
"Those who have sought the most in gun control have sought the least in the punishment of criminals." - Robert J. Kukla
As we read, listen, and/or watch the news concerning a criminal tragedy of shooting children and adults as recently occurred in Newtown, Connecticut, and/or the violent lawbreaker who fired a rifle directed at Firemen in Webster, New York, the Liberals immediate remedy is to legislate more gun control. The criminality with guns is not our problems; criminal individuals and others with deranged minds are.
Journal News’ publication of the New York citizens’ lawful purchasers’ of gun permits is just as serious of an invasion of each individual’s privacy rights as if Journal News’ privacy rights invasion(s) were in each and every individual’s own bedroom(s).
The foremost problems of illegal gun activities are the criminal elements and their political leaders within (y)our own Liberal government agencies.
Evidence may prove that several associates in President Obama’s administration, including the US Justice Department, and members of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) acted in the Fast and Furious plot while selling and/or approving the sale of automatic rifles, shotguns, and pistols, to a Mexican drug cartel; weapons that were used in murdering 3 innocent Americans and hundreds of Mexicans. Our Justice Department and/or ATF had devised a scheme in an attempt to blame U.S. firearms manufacturers as scapegoats for this criminal violence.
Government gun control is nothing new. History will prove that many Socialist and Communist leaders have become member leaders of the worldwide “Gun Control Hall of Fame” who include: National Socialist Leader and Reich Chancellor of Nazi Germany, Adolph Hitler; Communist Party Chairman and founder of the People's Republic of China, Mao Tse-Tung; Cambodian’s Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot; and Soviet Union’s Joseph Stalin who have become directly responsible for millions of innocent deaths with their own government’s gun control.
When guns are confiscated by government(s), only criminals and government(s) have guns; then law-abiding voices become easier targets.
President Obama, Liberal Capitol Hill Democrats, Liberal main-stream Medias, and Liberal Academia are pounding their Liberal political agenda and silencing most Conservative by limiting or even denying any open forum in the Liberal Medias.
It is Liberal Democrat lawmakers, Liberal main-stream Medias, and Liberal Academia who spotlight Congress and States’ Legislatures into softening and/or decriminalizing more criminal acts; then demands more gun control legislation as a solution to the lawless craziness within our society.
It is our US Military who have used rifles and other weapons of war to defeat other nations, on foreign land and waters, and through the air without warfare within our own homeland in defeating enemy nations.
Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto: “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”
The 2nd Amendment of our US Constitution was crafted by our Founding Fathers to prevent a lawless and mutinous government from confiscating our weapons of protection.
“According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.” Are Liberal Capitol Hill Democrats, Liberal main-stream Medias, and Liberal Academia proceeding to support banning hammers?
Under our 2nd Amendment freedoms, it should be unconstitutional for law-abiding citizen(s) to be required in any state to complete any government form(s) before purchasing any hunting rifle, shotgun, or pistol. A National Instant Criminal Background Check System investigation should and would immediately qualify or deny each individual’s right to purchase a hunting rifle, shotgun, or pistol. The criminality of using a hunting rifle, shotgun, or pistol is most feared by law-abiding citizens whenever that weapon is used by a lawless and mutinous government, as well as by unlawful and psychologically ill individuals.
Even less than a perfect solution, a m more comprehensive National Instant Criminal Background Check System can fix these glitches more quickly, accurately, effectively, and less expensive than any government(s) current laws and/or added legislation(s).
Our USA has become a nation with absent, and somewhat, lawless leadership of elected and appointed individuals who choose to obey or disobey our Constitution and US Code as they choose. Furthermore, these lawless criminal officials are not being investigated, arrested, prosecuted, and if found guilty, sentenced to prison.
Any further gun control legislation will further tarnish (y)our Constitutional freedoms.
Follow the money as the
Follow the money as the saying goes. The NRA has much to lose if gun control and some new controls come into being. The NRA is about as trustworthy as Bashir Assad from Syria. I wish Charlie Heston was still alive because i would have taken him up on his offer to pry his gun away "from his dead cold head hands." I think I might have used my 7 iron to accomplish my goal!
Abusing the Elderly typical
Abusing the Elderly typical blood thirsty anti gunner,ever notice it is the ones who say they want to stop the violence, that want to beat,shoot,or drag to death gun owners. while gun owners are the level headed ones.
Interesting comment, first,
Interesting comment, first, comparing the NRA to a genocidal leader AND THEN stating how you would brutalize an elderly man (if he were still alive) with a golf club......hmmmm, threatening people with weapons but your opposed to OTHER people being able to defend themselves..... I bet your a real tough guy with that 7 iron dolt boy!!!
Thanks for so eloquently
Thanks for so eloquently making the point that guns don't cause violence. Mentally unstable people are the cause.
You might reread your post to see how crazed you sound on preventing gun violence by using your 7-iron to silence people who disagree with you.
I say we control the spread of unlicensed golf clubs.
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I don't mean no disrespect
I don't mean no disrespect but when SHTF, and the bad guy with the gun starts to open up on these idiots that want gun control and guns band for what they have to survive, then they will be getting what they got coming. Because they will be BEGGING for a good guy with a gun then. And then it will be. Oh I'm sorry I didn't know it could get this BAD! Mark my words you bunch of jack ass's need to wake up. Criminals don't care about laws. When you ban guns are you going to dissarm your body gaurds, of corse your not and don't start telling LIES about that now eaither because it is not belived. Where a law is made if it is good for one it is good for ALL. PERIOD. I WILL NOT GIVE MINE UP HOW ABOUT THE LIEING SACKS OF SHIT SUPPORTING THE BILL. YOU KNOW THEY WON'T. TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE FOR WHAT YOU BELIVE IN.
Criminals don't care about
Criminals don't care about gun laws and many gun owners don't understand the Second Amendment. The first part of this section of The Bill Of Rights specifies A WELL REGULATED MILITIA which sets up the conditions for what follows.
Many gun owners call for the right to own any weapon that can be manufactured. Why should we use their interpretation of the Second Amendment when their command of the English language includes misspelling of words such as DISARM, GUARDS, COURSE, YOU'RE, EITHER, BELIEVE and LYING?
There is a middle ground between having all guns BANNED and a free for all. If someone feels a need for a weapon that doesn't need reloading, maybe they need to learn how to be a better shot.
Question Authority, Anarchy & Assumptions
dotkhan - Jan 8 2013 - 1:14am
dotkhan - Jan 8 2013 - 1:14am said:
"Criminals don't care about gun laws and many gun owners don't understand the Second Amendment... "
You're right, criminals don't care about gun laws, and wouldn't obey any new ones any more than they do the existing ones.
Many more gun owners DO understand the Second Amendment and DO NOT "...call for the right to own any weapon that can be manufactured."
"...The first part of this section of The Bill Of Rights specifies A WELL REGULATED MILITIA which sets up the conditions for what follows...."
And where in the Supreme Court's ruling does it say that?
I took am amazed and appaled
I took am amazed and appaled at how badly our school system has gotten where people dont even understand basic english composition!
The second amendment as RATIFIED by the state’s.
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Maybe you can explain how for the entire history of English language, that the independent clause, a complete sentence capable of conveying a clear meaning, and must first exist for a dependent clause to have meaning, has always set the meaning of the complex sentence. (“the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”)
Yet some now infer the dependent clause, an incomplete sentence, incapable of conveying a clear meaning (A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State) is now the determinator of the complex sentence meaning and history and English scholars have all been wrong throughout the history of written English. Have at it, but warn us when Hades will be freezing over for you actually having data to support your claim.
http://www.writingcentre.uottawa.ca/hypergrammar/sntstrct.html Lets see, have you removed the 30 plus references from the congressional writings 1774-1789 & the federalist papers showing well regulated as to meaning well trained in the arts of war? Much less all those dictionaries that say the same thing? No, you haven’t. Reference Karpeles Museum, CA.
http://www.rain.org/%7Ekarpeles/
Maybe you removed that original draft of what became the second amendment. You know, the one that was clearly written as a collective right, but then was changed to what exists today. Why did our founding fathers change the amendment draft if it was what they wanted? Oh that’s right, actions do speak louder than words. Ref Karpeles Museum, CA again.
original proposed draft of the right to keep and bear arms of the BILL of RIGHTS (17 TH of 20 amendments) on display at the Karpeles Manuscript Library Santa Ana, California "That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free State. That standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power."
http://www.wemett.net/2nd_amendment_(original_draft).html
Then of course, here is the logic failure the anti’s always have. They always fail to prove, that the militia existed before the armed individual. The anti’s always fail to prove that a collective right can exist without the individual right first existing as how does a collective begin, oh that’s right, pre-existing individuals come together to form said collective, DOOOHH!
Funny how all that was before the 2008 rulings eh?
Funny how in the 2008 Heller ruling all 9 justices agreed that bearing arms was an individual right. That 5-4 vote was on the constitutionality of the Washington D.C. gun ban, read it, you will see!
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/pleadings.html (links to Amicus Briefs for Heller)
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Cops would sell confiscated
Cops would sell confiscated guns to criminals if the alternative was for people in the gun black market randomly assassinating cops to get their guns.