Model Carmen Carrera and actress Laverne Cox (“Orange Is the New Black”) were awkwardly interviewed on Monday by Katie Couric on her talk show.
According to Autostraddle.com, Couric introduced Carrera by saying "she was born a man and that's why she's on our show" (video below).
Couric later asked Carrera about any surgery she had. But when the model mentioned her nose and breast augmentation, Couric asked if her "private parts" are "different now."
Carrera then lectured Couric, “I don’t want to talk about it, it’s really personal... They always focus on either the transition or the genitalia, and I think there is more to trans people than just that."
Mother Jones reports that Cox tried to push the talk show host away from sex surgery questions to the more serious direction of discrimination.
"I do feel there is a preoccupation with that," said Cox. "The preoccupation with transition and surgery objectifies trans people. And then we don’t get to really deal with the real lived experiences. The reality of trans people’s lives is that so often we are targets of violence. We experience discrimination disproportionately to the rest of the community."
"Our unemployment rate is twice the national average," added Cox. "If you are a trans person of color, that rate is four times the national average. The homicide rate is highest among trans women. If we focus on transition, we don’t actually get to talk about those things."
According to Salon.com, Cox mentioned the murder of transgender woman Islan Nettles and the violence against transgender people in America.