Baby Aborted for Cleft Lip and Palate Survives 2 days
ROSSANO, ITALY -- A baby who survived nearly two days before dying in an Italian hospital was aborted only because he had a cleft lip and palate.
Scans of the boy, who was at 22 weeks gestation, had shown the conditions that can be corrected by surgery, but his mother chose to abort him in a hospital in her hometown of Rossano in southern Italy, the Telegraph in London reported. The 11-ounce baby survived the April 24 abortion, but doctors left him to die.
The hospital's Roman Catholic chaplain, Antonio Martello, discovered the boy still alive the next day, about 20 hours after the abortion, according to the Telegraph. The chaplain was praying over the infant and noticed movement under the sheet that was covering the body, the Catholic News Agency reported. Martello informed doctors, who quickly had the child transferred to a neo-natal unit at a hospital in a nearby town. The boy died April 26.
The Italian Ministry of Health issued a statement, noting, "If the news turns out to be true, we are dealing with a very grave case of ... abandonment of a premature newborn, probably also with some form of handicap: an act which is contrary to the sense of human piety and to any medical practice."
Officials are seeking to determine if the death is a homicide, manslaughter or other illegal act, the Telegraph and CNN International reported.
The region's Catholic archbishop, Santo Marciano, said the death should cause society "to reflect on the tragic character of abortion, in so far as it is the suppression of a human being, and in this case, on the illicit character of the definition 'therapeutic.'"
"It also invites us to consider with what ease a person who is seriously malformed and simply undesired is treated inhumanly," Marciano told L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, the Telegraph reported.
The archbishop, over Vatican Radio, said, "I define all this as barbaric," adding, "I believe that non-Christians might also be in agreement on this."
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I have a son who was born with a complete unilateral cleft lip and palate. He is now 8 years old and lives a totally normal life. Yes he had both repaired lip at 3months and palate at 10 months. This just sickens me that people who actually abort a baby because of birth defect. they should rot in hell for what they did to that poor baby.
I'm glad they can't do brain scans to see who will be pro-life . Can you imagine how many doctors would walk in saying "you're gonna die if we don't abort"?
I would like to hear from those that dog on the rich for going after exactly what they want with their money . The only difference between you and them is that your currency is choice.
I don't follow anyone, because those that appear to be on the same path usually end up just getting in my way.
Are you suggesting that doctors would take the opportunity to engage in political assasinations if they could? And that pro-choicers getting an abortion is the same as a rich person spending their money ?
Strange straw men.
With all the advances in medicine , we use them to kill children instead of saving them? If you're willing to kill this child for a cleft palate using a method you believe is justified, what would you do to someone who would try to take that away from you? Besides, in your world, it isn't assasination. It's merely flushing the womb of non-persons.
As for your charge of demogoguery, not guilty.
I don't follow anyone, because those that appear to be on the same path usually end up just getting in my way.
You claimed that if a doctor could tell if the child was going to be opposed to abortion , then the doctor would lie to his patient with predictions of imminent death in order to get her to abort the child all because the child will hold an opposing sociopolitical view in the future.
That is most certainly demagoguery and you can't put words in my mouth to redefine it. Give it up and admit that you did it.
Even if the technology ever became available, anything is possible when it comes to this. Forty years ago you would have labeled me a demagod for sugesting that some day doctors would pull an eight month into term child from it's mothers ' womb, shove scissors into its' head and grab the vacuum.
You can't put words into my mouth that would define any horrible possibility involving abortion as demagoguery. I get the feeling you would like to throw this label on me for suggesting that a baby is in there waiting to come out as well.
I don't follow anyone, because those that appear to be on the same path usually end up just getting in my way.
Wear it! Demagoguery is demagoguery is demagoguery. Just because you *think* I would've called you that in the 70s doesn't excuse the fact that your doing it now! You are AGAIN putting words in my mouth to placate your demagoguery out of existence! And then accuse ME of doing it to you?! You are not conversing in good faith!
You pushed a hypothesis about an impossiblity (a medical procedure to determine whether a person will accept a meme, an idea, later in life. No one is born with a sociopolitical opinion) and then claimed that doctors (!!!) would commit political assasinations!!!!! WTF?! If that's not demagoguery, I don't know what is!
How unreasonable does one need to be to claim that no prediction of the future about abortion can be defined as demagoguery simply because you *believe* that anything with abortion is possible? Hello? Demagogue by definition! You are *actually* claiming that it's not demagoguery because somehow talking about abortion is *exempt* from even possibly being defined as demagoguery?!?! That's the most rudiculous defense of rhetoric I've ever seen! You literally defined a categorical exemption to a word's usage. Do you see no problem with that at all? What's the use of words if we can just ignore their meaning when we would look bad if they're used to disparage what we are saying? You might as well exempt gay bashing from the term bigotry , it's the same sort of insult to linguistics that you've made.
Collins English Dinctionary:
Demagogue: 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a political agitator who appeals with crude oratory to the prejudice and passions of the mob
Demagoguery: (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) the methods, practices, or rhetoric of a demagogue
Epistemic closure indeed.
I've lost your scent.
First, I never acused you of anything. Don't claim victimhood here. I know it's all the rage these days, but please refrain.
Second, there's the definition you've provided.
Crude...I'm assuming(yeah I know what it makes) that you mean uneducated. With that, my first statement was sarcasm. My second one dealing with that was to say that we will kill our children for any given reason. If anything was possible(including liberal brain scanning), we would justify killing our children for it. Please enter your denial of that here. As it stands, we kill our children for any reason we want to now. Is that going to change in the future? Not if people continue to take personhood out of the womb. If somehow this technology ever becomes available it would be just another reason for choice.
Agitator...I would, but it's not necessary. Those on my side are far beyond agitated, we're disgusted. I don't think there are any clinic bombers in here, but if there were, I'm sure they would get the message to not kill these doctors from other posts where I say Jesus forgives everyone and will take care of these things Himself. Not guilty.
Prejedice...How's that? I don't pre- judge anything. There is what there is and there is what there may be. A child WILL come out of that womb if we don't kill it first. Not guilty.
Passions...I would hope people are passionate about the lives of others, and them keeping them. I know you have no passions, but some of us do. Guilty.
Mob...that's just plain derogatory if it's aimed against people that want children to live. Not guilty.
Once again, doctors assasinate millions of children, so don't try to paint them as some above reproach beings. They're human too. The same as millions of other people that kill their own kind for no other reason than to kill them because they, or someonelse, wants them dead. I believe the comment right before my first one covers that issue pretty well. First do NO harm.
If the definition you've provided isn't exactly what you meant, I'll give you the chance to change it now.
I don't follow anyone, because those that appear to be on the same path usually end up just getting in my way.
The definition was directly from Collins English Dictionary, by HarperCollins Publishers. It was the dictionary that I found that had "political agitator" in the place of what many other dictionaries had as "political leader"
It was meant as general explaination for demagogue. I didn't mean that it described you word for word. It didn't have "shawninMo" as an example.
Words no longer have meaning in this conversation, well pick this up at a later OP
I got the impression that you meant I was fear mongering and a couple of your latter statements furthered my assumption, so that's what I was arguing against. However,when you brought out the definition it wasn't the exactly the same as one I read elsewhere. That one also implied fear mongering.
Thanks for your decision because was getting tiresome.
I don't follow anyone, because those that appear to be on the same path usually end up just getting in my way.