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Arizona Shooting Shows 2 Visions of Guns in America

By Dennis Henigan 

The gun issue confronts us with two competing visions of America. The Tucson tragedy puts those visions in stark, clarifying relief.

The gun lobby’s vision is guns in every corner of American society. The National Rifle Association wants guns in more American homes. It wants more guns on the streets, in grocery stores, in restaurants, in coffee houses, in bars, in churches, at workplaces, at political events, and on college campuses. Guns everywhere, to deter criminals from attacking and to shoot back when they do.

Arizona is fast becoming the quintessential realization of this vision. Arizona has virtually no restrictions on guns (the Brady Center gives it 2 points out of a possible 100 in its state law ratings) and the state recently became the third state to allow people to carry concealed weapons in public places without a permit. The state also recently allowed concealed carriers to take their guns into bars.

Have weak gun laws made Arizonans safer? The state ranks 6th in the nation in gun deaths. FBI data indicates it ranks 13th in homicides per 100,000 population. Arizona criminals don’t appear to be cowering in fear of armed, law-abiding citizens. Arizona also has become a favorite source of lethal weaponry for the Mexican drug cartels. Three Arizona gun dealers are among the top 12 American dealers in supplying Mexican crime guns.

Indeed, Arizona’s gun laws are so non-existent that it was entirely legal for Jared Loughner to be carrying his Glock outside that Tucson Safeway up until the moment he pulled the trigger. He actually was one of the “law-abiding citizens” the NRA thinks is making us safer by carrying concealed weapons where we live, work and shop. If Loughner’s community college, which expelled him because he was thought too dangerous to be in class, had reported his behavior to the Tucson police, Arizona law allowed them to do nothing to prevent him from carrying a concealed weapon.

All those Arizonans packing heat did not prevent the carnage in Tucson. There was, in fact, a law-abiding citizen with a gun on the scene at that Safeway. He told Ed Schultz he got to the shooter after someone else had grabbed the gun from the shooter’s hands and he initially thought the hero was the shooter. In the NRA’s America, where everyone has a gun, it is tough to tell the good guys from the bad.

Most Americans support a very different vision of America. It is a nation that allows responsible citizens to have guns in the home for self-defense, but imposes reasonable restrictions on guns to make it harder for dangerous people to be armed. In this America, a Jared Loughner would not be permitted to legally carry a gun to a Tucson Safeway. And he would not have available to him ammunition magazines that allowed him to fire over 30 shots from a semi-automatic without the need to reload, firepower that one law enforcement official has said “increased the lethality and body count of this attack.”

Don’t tell me the Second Amendment enforces the gun lobby’s vision for America. The Supreme Court’s recent rulings are entirely consistent with the alternative vision of reasonable restrictions. In its landmark opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller interpreting the Second Amendment to grant an individual right to have a gun in the home for self-defense, the High Court went out of its way to make clear that it was not recognizing a “right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” Justice Scalia pointed to a host of gun restrictions that remain “presumptively lawful” even under the newly-recognized right, including bans on “dangerous and unusual weapons.”

Loughner’s 33-round ammunition magazine made his Glock pistol a very “dangerous and unusual” weapon. It is telling that Robert Levy, Chair of the libertarian CATO Institute and the mastermind behind the Heller case, this week told reporter Michael Isikoff that he thought a ban on high-capacity magazines would not violate the Second Amendment and makes sense from a policy standpoint.

There are pundits who say that now is not the time to address divisive issues and that we should move to the middle of the political spectrum in our policy debates. The punditry needs to understand, however, that support for reasonable restrictions on guns is in the middle of the political spectrum. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, gun control is not an issue that necessarily must divide those who own guns and those who do not.

If you don’t believe me, ask Republican messaging maven Frank Luntz, who about a year ago did a far-reaching survey of gun owners, and particularly self-acknowledged NRA members, on their attitudes toward gun control. In an op-ed he wrote with Tom Barrett, Democratic Mayor of Milwaukee, Luntz reported, for example, that 86% of non-NRA gun owners, and 69% of NRA members, support extending Brady Law background checks to all sales at gun shows. Luntz said his poll “also found support among NRA members and other gun owners for numerous other policies to strengthen safety, security and law enforcement.” He concluded that “the culture war over the right to bear arms isn’t much of a war after all.”

There is, in fact, a strong national consensus supporting specific additional gun restrictions that still allow law abiding and responsible adults to make the ultimate choice about owning a gun. This consensus has not been translated into public policy because too many of our elected officials are intimidated by the NRA – a noisy, threatening lobby that does not even represent its own members on the question of reasonable regulation of guns.

Those who own guns and those who do not, to a surprising degree, have the same vision for America. Now that a much-admired Member of Congress lies seriously wounded, and the nation mourns yet another mass shooting and the fatal wounding of yet another child, is it too much to ask for a modicum of courage from Congress, and the President, to make that vision a reality?

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Defender's picture

I see an America in which

Defender's picture

When governments attack.

The Armenian Genocide in Turkey, 1915-1918. It would have been "insurrectionist" to defend these Christian Turkish citizens against the Muslim government killing them with wild citizen approval.

From "Armenian Golgotha":

"It's wartime, and bullets are expensive. So [Muslim] people grabbed whatever they could from their villages -- axes, hatchets, scythes, sickles, clubs, hoes, pickaxes, shovels, -- and they did the killing accordingly."
After having been "invited to participate in this sacred religious obligation."
6,400 women and children massacred by their neighbors.
"The police soldiers in Yozgat and Boghazliyan ... would even boast to some of us how they had committed tortures and decapitations, cut off and chopped up body parts with axes, and how they had dismembered suckling infants and children by pulling apart their legs or dashing them on rocks."
Testimony of a Muslim Turk to an Armenian Christian man being taken to his own murder by government, so he saw no harm in giving details.

Defender's picture

ATF scandal re: Mexican guns traced to U.S.

ATF abuse connected to U.S. guns "found" in Mexico.
The ATF took them there, and encourages border-area gun shops to make multiple sales to shady characters in order to pad trace statistics. In exchange, the gun shop's books won't fail to "pass inspection."

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/is-project-gunwalker-about-to-bust-wide-open

Dannytheman's picture

It's people not places

"The gun lobby’s vision is guns in every corner of American society. The National Rifle Association wants guns in more American homes. It wants more guns on the streets, in grocery stores, in restaurants, in coffee houses, in bars, in churches, at workplaces, at political events, and on college campuses. Guns everywhere, to deter criminals from attacking and to shoot back when they do."

Streets, Grocery Stores, bars, coffee houses are not people. Why don't you say what we all know to be the truth. The NRA wants PEOPLE to have the RIGHT to carry a weapon. Plain and simple. We the Peple have the God Given Right to protect ourselves in our homes and about our persons. It is my hope that all 50 states and US holdings have to follow these rules. 40 States have carry laws, yet others like California, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, Mass., Illinois (A.K.A.blue states) have strong State regs against it. Shame on them.

I am not surprised that at a democratic Town Hall meeting that there was no one carrying a concealed weapon. I was happy to read that one of the people who grabbed the mentally ill shooter was a young man who ran toward the shooting and was a license holder in his state. He didn't feel the need to shoot anyone and used good sense in only tackling the mentally ill individual. He did not yank out his weapon and add to the stress, he assessed the situation and heroically made his plan work.

The BRADY want disarmment. They want the guns. Law abiding or not, they want them. Shame on them!!

LagerHead's picture

Wrong about so many things.

First, it is too soon to tell whether the gun law changes in Arizona mentioned above and only enacted last year will have any effect on their crime rates - positive or negative. Insinuating that they contributed to the crime rates or this tragedy is stupid.

Second, the state is partially owned by illegal immigrants and drug cartels as evidenced by the signs put up by the federal government and conceding part of Arizona's lands to them. Much of the crime rate is due to these problems and not guns .

"Arizona law allowed them to do nothing to prevent him from carrying a concealed weapon."

You mean a guy wasn't punished for a crime of which he wasn't convicted? How can that be? You're right Brady, let's place restrictions on people for crimes that, in the law's eyes, they didn't even commit.

"In the NRA’s America, where everyone has a gun, it is tough to tell the good guys from the bad."

In certain situations this is indeed true. But anyone who has had an iota of gun training has no doubt been instructed in the dangers of defending a third party.

"[...]and he initially thought the hero was the shooter."

You mean he heard shooting, ran out and saw a guy with a gun with the slide locked back and thought he might be the shooter? You're right! It is unfathomable how that could happen. But what you failed to mention is that though he was armed he did not even draw his weapon because he almost immediately came to the correct conclusion that he was in fact not the shooter. So an armed man didn't shoot the wrong man but you're going to leave that little tidbit out aren't you?

"Most Americans support a very different vision of America."

Yet you can't show a study or poll by a reliable, independent third party source that supports that.

"[...]firepower that one law enforcement official has said 'increased the lethality and body count of this attack.' "

Speculation, pure and simple. Anyone who has trained with a firearm for very long can drop a magazine and insert a new one in about a second. So 1 30 round magazine, two 17 round magazines, three 10 round magazines - it really makes very little difference. What has been shown to make a difference time and again though is the presence of others with guns.

"[...]the High Court went out of its way to make clear that it was not recognizing a 'right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.' "

Yes it did say that. And do you think it might be reasonable that they were talking about thinks like tactical nukes, or RPG's? No of course not. They were talking about handguns like the evil black Glock - the most reasonable choice for protection outside the home (handguns, not the Glock specifically).

"Justice Scalia pointed to a host of gun restrictions that remain 'presumptively lawful' even under the newly-recognized right, including bans on 'dangerous and unusual weapons.' "

All weapons are dangerous by definition. And the Glock, by far the best selling pistol in America is far from unusual. Yes the 30 round magazine might be unusual, but not under the definition Scalia was using.

"Contrary to the conventional wisdom, gun control is not an issue that necessarily must divide those who own guns and those who do not."

When you're talking about people who hold a Brady-like view of the world, it most certainly does divide us. You don't think I should have a right to protect myself outside the home. And if that right were taken away you would begin your assault on protection inside the home as well.

Defender's picture

What Tucson survivor and Giffords campaigner Fuller said

... a few days before he took a photo of a Tea Party leader and told him "You're dead."

"And the first thing that I wrote down and what my reaction was to it was: "How many other people? How many other demented people are out there? It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target. Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled—senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even nine-year-old girls." There was a little girl named Christina Green, nine years old, who is one of the deceased.

"Another thing I wrote down was, "Can we have another fundraiser at the target range, Jesse Kelly?" Jesse Kelly ran against her in the election. And I’ve heard him speak several—a couple of times, and I couldn’t believe he was a real candidate. I thought he was just like a fake candidate. It didn’t seem like anybody would consider him seriously. He came within 4,000 votes of winning the election. One of his slogans was: "Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." Kind of a very marginal personality and a low mentality."

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/01/16/only-partial-improvement-ap-finally-notes-fullers-democracy-now-appearan #ixzz1BHGhXAaQ

Jumba101's picture

Seems to Me

Seems to me (and the first thing I wrote down) a Federal Law to remove demented people from a civil society would be a great first step to preventing another Arizona incident. But that might include Defender! Oh Boy! See you at the range!

Defender's picture

"Might"?

Indeed. Compassion for the helpless and a passion for self-determination are red flags these days.

Defender's picture

Past caring, except about the rights of the innocent

I don't care if 99.9% support stronger restrictions. If you ask half of those people what gun control already exists, they'll say "none," and another quarter of them have it wrong. The right remains.
I quit the NRA -- a life membership on the installment plan -- exactly because they are adopting this "reasonable restrictions on an essential right that shall not be infringed" philosophy. I understand about a million others did too.
They still outnumber the Brady organizations by 3.5 million vs. 600,000. I think that says something.
In the Mayors Against Illegal Guns city near me, a beautiful family of four -- two charming little elementary-school age girls -- well-liked in the community. Ran a game and novelty shop. They killed by two unarmed home intruders claiming they had car trouble.
I contend that the daily Brady harping that guns are bad and the mark of a violent criminal mind contributed to their helplessness and terrified deaths. They were too "nice" to own a gun. They had pillowcases tied over their heads, were led to the basement, and each heard the others' heads bashed in with the family's claw hammer. The killers said every time one cried out for the others and tried to stand up, it "scared them" so they hit them again.
Better to have it and not need it...
90 million American gun owners and their 200 million guns did not hurt anyone yesterday. Or last year.

Montana Libertarian's picture

Incidentally. . .

Frank Luntz has little credibility on this issue. The NRA does not release membership rolls and, the views shown in the poll are not those you find in talking to actual card carrying NRA people. Like me.

Montana Libertarian's picture

Sorry. . .it's not going to happen.

Unfortunately for Mr. Henigan and his cohorts at the Brady Campaign, no new gun control will be enacted in the 112th Congress.

Polls consistently show declining support for the kinds of ineffectual, "feel good" legislation that is exemplified by gun control.

In more and more jurisdictions, prior restrictions on gun ownership and carrying weapons are being set aside.

The strident calls for restrictions on guns and on frank political discourse alike are bound to fail. The majority of Americans simply won't stand for this nonsense.

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