American Family Assoc. Says Gays Should be Forced to Receive Therapy
An Atheist civil rights group today denounced a statement by a
representative of the American Family Association that gay and lesbian
Americans should be forced to receive "Reparative Therapy" and compared
homosexuals to intravenous drug users.
Dr. Ed Buckner, President of American Atheists, said that the proposal
"borders on Orwellian totalitarianism and seeks to further criminalize
behavior over which the churches and the government should have no
control whatsoever. Atheists have a wide variety of opinions about these
matters, and ours is not a gay rights organization, but we do firmly and
consistently oppose privileging religious posturing in determining what
is legally acceptable or to set government policy. Religionists who want
to enlist government in their efforts to persecute others must be firmly
opposed."
Brian Fisher of the American Family Association told a radio audience
earlier this week that homosexuals should be compelled to receive
government-ordered psychotherapy for the same reason that drug users are
often pushed into treatment.
"Compelling gays and lesbians to receive 'treatment' for consensual,
adult behaviors is not only ineffective but politically unacceptable and
ethically wrong," said Buckner. "This is the old religious right canard
that gays are under the influence of Satan and are 'sick' because of
their sexual proclivities."
In a web posting, Fisher tried to justify his earlier statement by
citing government statistics; he noted that the FDA, for instance, says
that gay men have a greater chance of contracting HIV and other diseases
than straight males. "That's a public health issue," said Buckner.
"The AFA isn't really interested in public health hygiene; they're
pushing a relentless religious agenda that stigmatizes Americans based
on sexual preference."
Dave Silverman, Communications Director for American Atheists, said that
Fisher's remarks reflect the anti-gay, bible-based agenda of the AFA.
"Since its founding in 1977 by Rev. Donald Wildmon, the American Family
Associating has targeted gay men and women and done everything possible
to deny this group of millions of Americans their civil rights."
"This proposal for government-mandated therapy sounds more like the old
Soviet Union than the United States," added Silverman. "What is Fisher
going to do when people refuse to be 'treated'? Will homosexuals who do
not cooperate with this offensive bullying be put in jail or camps?"
Mr. Silverman says that when he learned of this proposal by AFA, he
laughed at how the group is often mischaracterized as a "conservative"
organization.
"Conservatives used to be suspicious of too much government. Now, we
have AFA calling for the ultimate in government surveillance, control
and compulsion. I wonder, if this proposal somehow became law, how much
money and many police agents it would take to enforce it?"












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A statement like this is
reminiscent of The Third Reicht!
- bhall
February 4, 2010 8:16PM
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Can we spell it AmeriKKKa?
The US is a world democracy , but if the conservatives and the religious right have their way, it won't be for long. The very suggestion that gays should receive "therapy" is akin to communists putting liberals and free marketers in reeducation camps. The American Family Association would not be tolerated publicly in Canada, Britain or Europe. Their existence in America shows the dangerous undercurrent of fascism existing in that nation. It's time for Americans of good conscience to strike down the religious right and their friends the KKK and militia groups. It's time to get back to the real American values of equality, freedom and tolerance.
- K in Newfoundland
February 5, 2010 1:07PM
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Actually
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Actually it is a Republic first. Which simply means is not a Monarchy. Republic as in the "French Republic, the Italian Republic, Rome as the first Republic" etc. With a Centralized or Federal system of Government. It is also in a certain way a Federation of 50 States. One of them Texas was once a Republic.
Others like Massachusetts define themselves as a Commonwealth. That's why in part the President is elected no entirely by the majority of the Popular or populace vote , but by an Electoral college . That's also why Majoryty Rule is Not an absolute.
Now, based on the previous; how are you different from those you want "americans of good conscience" if any, to strike down?
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- Salero21
February 9, 2010 1:00PM
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I have no agenda
As a Canadian, I cannot say who I want elected in a U.S. election . As a human being who lives next to your country, I don't want a dangerous theocracy threatening my border. The AFA, if they came to power, would certainly bring the US into a theocracy. I would not be comfortable living next to Iran, and I certainly wouldn't be comfortable with living next to a fundamentalist theocracy. " Americans of good conscience" refers to the majority of Americans, who, I believe, would find theocracy and religious bigotry distasteful and un-American, and who would stand up against the likes of the AFA and their ilk.
- K in Newfoundland
February 9, 2010 4:08PM
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Again
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Actually the Official name is The United States of America. Which is really a factual description of a Political entity. There are this 50 States with a certain but limited degree of autonomy. United by many commonalities to form one Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for All [not just for some], as one of several Fundamental Principles and ideals. With that clearly in mind lets remember that
Justice is not always the same as Equality. Liberte equalite e fraternite (pardon my french) were ideals just but mouthed in another revolution later than the American.
Tolerance is not a guarantee, obligation, or promise neither in a Republic or Democracy, much less in any other of the known forms of earthly/human forms of Governments. What is sometimes Fair is not necessarily Just and vice versa. The AFA is just an organization like so many others in this great Nation. That like any of the thousands of others have a God given right to speak or mouth the beliefs of the majority of their members or associates. You seem to be no different to those, whom you want "stike down" by the majority of Americans of good conscience.
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- Salero21
February 9, 2010 5:06PM
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Tolerance
In Canada, Tolerance is a right. That's why we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, based on your Constitution. We also recognize the supremacy of God. We do not allow religious bigotry, thanks to our hate crime laws. The AFA have a right to their opinion, but I have the right to oppose them. So do the majority of Americans who ARE tolerant and who are not fundamentalists.
- K in Newfoundland
February 10, 2010 11:51AM
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Again?
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You seem to be unable to anwer my question.
No right is an absolute, except in an intolerant society . Where
absolutism is the way of either the majority or the minority. You may want to check the Charter because just plain common-sense tells that no where are rights an absolute. Your rights ends where the rights of others begin and vice versa, and if you want your rights to be honored and respected you must do the same the other way around.
I've never been in Canada, but your claim seems a little off. I'm reading online that Charter and I'm still to find the word Tolerance, but I do see Fundamental Freedoms. Which appears to be the purpose of the Charter to guarantee.
That however is not a open end guarantee of Tolerance for everything. There is no such Society on Earth, and if is not on earth; Even much less will be in a Heavenly Celestial Kingdom. I also see in 2 a,b Freedom of Religion and of thought, belief, opinion and expression. I really think you are not really familiar with your own Canadian Charter. Or you are unable to differenciate between Freedoms, Tolerance and rights.
Now you mouthed that Tolerance is a right, but Tolerance of what?
Because in a society near anarchism everything is theirs rights from the point of view of the anarquists. Which way back Canada had some experience of it's own with the Quebecois. To the point of almost breaking apart the Country as is known today. So see, your Zeal lacks the foundation of a better understanding and of common sense. Better luck next time.
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February 10, 2010 12:29PM
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hUH??11
I don't seem to be getting my point across. Let me restate my position in part form so you can understand:
1. The AFA have a right to their opinion, but they do not have the right to advocate forcing gay people to have "therapy".
2. As a gay person, I have the right to live my life without being persecuted, evicted, beaten up, castigated, shot and killed , etc. etc.
3. Documents like the US Constitution and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protect me from such ill treatment , and they SHOULD.
4. I should not have to be subjected to someone else's religion . Would you (I assume you are a fundamentalist) like it if I said they should force all fundamentalists to be Wiccans or some other religion you find distasteful? Of course not!
I hope I've made my point clear, but some Bible-thumpers can be very dense and stubborn!
- K in Newfoundland
February 10, 2010 5:17PM
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Therapy?
Divorced Christians should be forced to receive therapy.
Divorced Christians support YOUR family values 100%
Screwy hypocrites are a big laugh.
- owlafaye
February 7, 2010 12:27PM
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Christian
I'll say one thing for Brian Fisher and the AFA, they sure ain't Christian. As a self proclaimed conservative organization I do believe the AFA keeps shifting even further to the right - which is where the nazis are.
- Neil
February 8, 2010 11:56AM
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What???
And they think gays are mentally unbalanced?
As a member of Tax-Paying, Upright Gay and Lesbian Citizens of America, I demand that the developmentally inept, socially awkward people of AFA get reparative treatment to wash away their hate and intolerance. PERIOD.
- kylo1
February 10, 2010 2:15PM
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Same Problem.
Your proposed solution is just as hateful and tyrranical as theirs. Please, stop the hate.
- richardsonkr
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