After Defeat in Maine, Gays Step Up Attacks on Catholic Church
Last night, by a comfortable margin of 53-47%, the citizens of Maine became the 31st state to vote down gay marriage (as has every single state that has given its citizens a chance to vote on the issue).
Not surprisingly, the mainstream liberal press is beside itself with frustration, especially because it drives yet another nail in the "inevitability" and "wrong side of history" arguments we are often fed.
As I wrote on National Review this morning, Maine voted for traditional marriage "despite it being a liberal state, despite a 2-1 funding disadvantage, despite aggressive legal action against traditional-marriage defenders, despite unusually high voter turn out, and despite Rachel Maddow and the elite press running interference."
And unlike in California's Prop 8 victory for traditional marriage, proponents of gay marriage can't blame this Maine loss on "Mormons, on African Americans who turned out for Barack Obama, or on confusing ballot wording."
They can however, blame it on Catholics, and some angry members of the gay marriage movement are already doing so.
As I wrote back in September, the Catholic Church in Maine - with the strong leadership of Bishop Richard Malone - effectively and institutionally supported efforts to preserve traditional marriage. I have been told the Catholic Church contributed upwards of $500k to the final $2 million or so that was raised by defenders of traditional marriage.
Now, like what happened to the Mormons in the wake of Prop 8, some gays are calling for a systematic attack on the Catholic Church and her freedoms in retaliation for Maine. In case you have any doubts about what happened to supporters of Prop 8 after that was decided, the Heritage foundation has posted a summary:
Supporters of Proposition 8 in California have been subjected to harassment, intimidation, vandalism, racial scapegoating, blacklisting, loss of employment, economic hardships, angry protests, violence, at least one death threat, and gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry.
Now read what one gay blogger wrote today in the wake of the Maine referendum today:
"[Maine voters] have bowed their heads to the nameless, faceless financiers of campaigns which continue to sew bigotry, hatred, and suspicion of their fellows. They have bowed their knees to potentates in the Catholic and Mormon Churches and claimed that this was about their freedom of religion.
... The day will come very soon when Maine will regret turning its back on equality. It is time that the legislature of Maine strip the Catholic Church of all its exemptions. It is time to force the National Organization into the light. It is time to purge their dens of iniquity and shame and to force them into the light.
It is time to dismantle those who seek through deception and fraud to repress others."
Nor is such out-in-the-open hatred of the Catholic Church confined to isolated individuals - no less a figure than Andrew Sullivan, an openly-gay and widely-read author for The Atlantic Monthly - and who still claims to be Catholic - wrote today:
"After Maine, where the Catholic church actually organized a second collection to raise money to prevent gay people from having civil rights, the situation shifts again. Using a tax-exempt church to raise money to defeat the civil rights of fellow citizens is not too shocking in the age of Benedict. It is shocking if one believes in a separation of politics and religion, and if one believes that the church of Jesus should stand in solidarity with the marginalized, rather than seeking to marginalize and demonize them still further.
It is time to acknowledge that the Catholic church hierarchy can no longer pretend that it isn't the active enemy of gay people and our families. That this church hierarchy - especially in its more conservative wing - is disproportionately gay itself and waging war against their fellow gays through the cowardly veil of the closet, is not new. But it is, as we flinch with the sting of defeat, harder to take than ever.
It is time to demand that gay priests who are actively fighting against the dignity of gay people own their enmeshment in injustice, stigmatization and cruelty."
The Atlantic is a major publication, Andrew Sullivan is a significant figure. This is serious. And authors such as Sullivan are getting a free-pass for legitimizing lies and hatred against the Church.
All this is especially ironic when one considers how the gay marriage movement tries to cast itself as one that is seeking tolerance and acceptance of all. Well, apparently the Catholic Church isn't a legitimate recipient of such treatment. I would be more encouraged if leaders of the gay marriage movement would call out or apologize for outbursts against the Church like the ones I've cited above.
Nonetheless, in the coming days and weeks, we need to be vigilant for anti-Catholic rhetoric and attacks. Don't be surprised if a lot of damning stories about the Church are published in the short term. Even if the issue of gay marriage isn't mentioned, you can bet reporters who have something against the Church are dusting off their old file folders right now.
Now of course, this oft-repeated smear that the Catholic Church hates gay people and hates equality is completely without foundation. Just look at a portion of the statement Bishop Malone released today:
“These past few months have served as a teaching opportunity to explain to parishioners and the wider community about how and why the Church views and values marriage as the union of one man and one woman. It has also been an opportunity for listening, and I trust that those who voted for such a radical change did so out of concern for our gay brothers and sisters. Respect and acceptance of all people regardless of sexual orientation is not a point of controversy — indeed, it is a teaching of the Church. While the Catholic Church will continue its commitment to work for the basic human rights to which all people are entitled, it remains devoted to preserving and strengthening the precious gift of marriage.”
That sure doesn't sound like hate speech to me.
For our part, meanwhile, we have to be charitable and confident in the teaching of the Church and be consistent in our own witness to it. Defining marriage as between one man and one woman is not to treat gays as inferior or unequal. This definition has overwhelming historical, cultural, sociological, and religious support.
Such anger and retaliation from the gay community are a sad indicator that they have no more arguments. Nonetheless, whenever the Church is attacked, we must defend ourselves and the Church we love, continuing to articulate the truths of the human person which reason reveal and faith confirms.
Truth, after all, is the foundation for equality, and for every valid social justice movement. So it should not surprise us that the only way the gay community is now attempting to establish its legal "right" to marriage is through power and intimidation.
update - I won't clutter my post with more examples, but I'll add just one more. There are many others:
The Bishop of Maine, Richard Malone, must be quite pleased with himself. He ran a campaign of lies, hate and distortions -- and convinced enough Maine voters to vote with him. It's going to take me a couple days (or more) to get my head around this one. But, for now, suffice it so say: HATE was the winner in Maine. Hate and the Catholic Bishop. But, this isn't over. Time and justice really are on our side.
Luke 6:22.
Not surprisingly, the mainstream liberal press is beside itself with frustration, especially because it drives yet another nail in the "inevitability" and "wrong side of history" arguments we are often fed.
As I wrote on National Review this morning, Maine voted for traditional marriage "despite it being a liberal state, despite a 2-1 funding disadvantage, despite aggressive legal action against traditional-marriage defenders, despite unusually high voter turn out, and despite Rachel Maddow and the elite press running interference."
And unlike in California's Prop 8 victory for traditional marriage, proponents of gay marriage can't blame this Maine loss on "Mormons, on African Americans who turned out for Barack Obama, or on confusing ballot wording."
They can however, blame it on Catholics, and some angry members of the gay marriage movement are already doing so.
As I wrote back in September, the Catholic Church in Maine - with the strong leadership of Bishop Richard Malone - effectively and institutionally supported efforts to preserve traditional marriage. I have been told the Catholic Church contributed upwards of $500k to the final $2 million or so that was raised by defenders of traditional marriage.
Now, like what happened to the Mormons in the wake of Prop 8, some gays are calling for a systematic attack on the Catholic Church and her freedoms in retaliation for Maine. In case you have any doubts about what happened to supporters of Prop 8 after that was decided, the Heritage foundation has posted a summary:
Supporters of Proposition 8 in California have been subjected to harassment, intimidation, vandalism, racial scapegoating, blacklisting, loss of employment, economic hardships, angry protests, violence, at least one death threat, and gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry.
Now read what one gay blogger wrote today in the wake of the Maine referendum today:
"[Maine voters] have bowed their heads to the nameless, faceless financiers of campaigns which continue to sew bigotry, hatred, and suspicion of their fellows. They have bowed their knees to potentates in the Catholic and Mormon Churches and claimed that this was about their freedom of religion.
... The day will come very soon when Maine will regret turning its back on equality. It is time that the legislature of Maine strip the Catholic Church of all its exemptions. It is time to force the National Organization into the light. It is time to purge their dens of iniquity and shame and to force them into the light.
It is time to dismantle those who seek through deception and fraud to repress others."
Nor is such out-in-the-open hatred of the Catholic Church confined to isolated individuals - no less a figure than Andrew Sullivan, an openly-gay and widely-read author for The Atlantic Monthly - and who still claims to be Catholic - wrote today:
"After Maine, where the Catholic church actually organized a second collection to raise money to prevent gay people from having civil rights, the situation shifts again. Using a tax-exempt church to raise money to defeat the civil rights of fellow citizens is not too shocking in the age of Benedict. It is shocking if one believes in a separation of politics and religion, and if one believes that the church of Jesus should stand in solidarity with the marginalized, rather than seeking to marginalize and demonize them still further.
It is time to acknowledge that the Catholic church hierarchy can no longer pretend that it isn't the active enemy of gay people and our families. That this church hierarchy - especially in its more conservative wing - is disproportionately gay itself and waging war against their fellow gays through the cowardly veil of the closet, is not new. But it is, as we flinch with the sting of defeat, harder to take than ever.
It is time to demand that gay priests who are actively fighting against the dignity of gay people own their enmeshment in injustice, stigmatization and cruelty."
The Atlantic is a major publication, Andrew Sullivan is a significant figure. This is serious. And authors such as Sullivan are getting a free-pass for legitimizing lies and hatred against the Church.
All this is especially ironic when one considers how the gay marriage movement tries to cast itself as one that is seeking tolerance and acceptance of all. Well, apparently the Catholic Church isn't a legitimate recipient of such treatment. I would be more encouraged if leaders of the gay marriage movement would call out or apologize for outbursts against the Church like the ones I've cited above.
Nonetheless, in the coming days and weeks, we need to be vigilant for anti-Catholic rhetoric and attacks. Don't be surprised if a lot of damning stories about the Church are published in the short term. Even if the issue of gay marriage isn't mentioned, you can bet reporters who have something against the Church are dusting off their old file folders right now.
Now of course, this oft-repeated smear that the Catholic Church hates gay people and hates equality is completely without foundation. Just look at a portion of the statement Bishop Malone released today:
“These past few months have served as a teaching opportunity to explain to parishioners and the wider community about how and why the Church views and values marriage as the union of one man and one woman. It has also been an opportunity for listening, and I trust that those who voted for such a radical change did so out of concern for our gay brothers and sisters. Respect and acceptance of all people regardless of sexual orientation is not a point of controversy — indeed, it is a teaching of the Church. While the Catholic Church will continue its commitment to work for the basic human rights to which all people are entitled, it remains devoted to preserving and strengthening the precious gift of marriage.”
That sure doesn't sound like hate speech to me.
For our part, meanwhile, we have to be charitable and confident in the teaching of the Church and be consistent in our own witness to it. Defining marriage as between one man and one woman is not to treat gays as inferior or unequal. This definition has overwhelming historical, cultural, sociological, and religious support.
Such anger and retaliation from the gay community are a sad indicator that they have no more arguments. Nonetheless, whenever the Church is attacked, we must defend ourselves and the Church we love, continuing to articulate the truths of the human person which reason reveal and faith confirms.
Truth, after all, is the foundation for equality, and for every valid social justice movement. So it should not surprise us that the only way the gay community is now attempting to establish its legal "right" to marriage is through power and intimidation.
update - I won't clutter my post with more examples, but I'll add just one more. There are many others:
The Bishop of Maine, Richard Malone, must be quite pleased with himself. He ran a campaign of lies, hate and distortions -- and convinced enough Maine voters to vote with him. It's going to take me a couple days (or more) to get my head around this one. But, for now, suffice it so say: HATE was the winner in Maine. Hate and the Catholic Bishop. But, this isn't over. Time and justice really are on our side.
Luke 6:22.













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Time for another Inqisition
How is Luke 6:22 relavent. Except to maybe encourage gay community?
Seriously, we should vote down ALL marriage laws. I don't see why the government should be involved in this at all.
- Submariner November 4, 2009 4:41PM
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In a legal sense Marriage is a grouping of rights and privileges that relates to health care , inheritance, property ownership and more.
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November 4, 2009 6:23PM
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What we got all these lawyers for?
If we can't have them make all these arrangements for us?
I mean, the Federal Code does not even fit in a Federal Building anymore.
- Submariner November 4, 2009 6:55PM
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bundled
I'd rather be able to go and get one document that grants all those rights then have to hire a horde of lawyers... as well as having that one document count in every state and with every employer.
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November 4, 2009 7:11PM
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Well, we can't have our cake and eat it too
The fact is that marriage is a social convention that is correlated to mating in widely varying ways.
I don't care what any number of consenting adults do for the sake of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but I am against subsidizing every possible arrangement that might come up with any special considerations that any two people don't enjoy anyway.
I mean really, should a collection of frat boys in a bromance get "filing-jointly" tax rates just cause they are willing to go get a licence?
I mean, it's all about property, taxes , credit, insurance. All this crap should not be underwritten based on mating rituals.
Marriage is fundamentally a bond between indpendent people willing vow interdependence. Human society generally requires some form of adulthood for a person to be considered "independent". As long as this applies, I am all for whatever marriage X consenting adults want.
But it shouldn't have anything to do with taxes, insurance, credit, etc.
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And it is in the interest of the state to recognize that bond, providing an array of rights and responsibilities.
Are you suggesting that an individual should not be able to place their spouse on their insurance policy? That for a family where one parent works and the other stays at home there should be no way to view their incomes as combined (the filing jointly only really comes into play when one person makes significantly more then the other). What about hospital visitation and decision making? Inheritance? Child custody ?
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Oh well, what's the real problem then?
In order, then.
No. Insurance is a terrible idea. Why would you do that someone you love?
Yes and No on combined income . Add it up how you want, but why should marriage itself consitute more generous tax scheme? Tax should be based on income level. It's much easier to understand and apply a tax credit for dependents in general, it that is how it should be applied.
Vocal permissions should be sufficient for visitation and it seems reasonable to require some power of attorney-esque written authorization to kill somebody if they can't do it themselves.
Estate taxes should be blind to relationship. I don't like the idea anyway, except that a lot of people now have so much wealth concentrated.
Child Custody? Seems the least we can do is write down our intentions on this one. I mean, even default custodians of children (biological parents) suck sometimes, but what can you do?
I don't see how it would be a good idea to mix some many unrelated things into one document. It's really not hard to get a will and power of attorney. It's pretty cheap too.
- Submariner November 4, 2009 8:16PM
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6%
Six percent is hardly a 'comfortable margin'... that is getting a bit tight!
If the Catholic Church donated money , or promoted donating money, to the striping of rights from Homosexuals then their status should be investigated.
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How would you feel if....
Mr. Peters:
Should the Catholic Church and other religious supporters of Question 1 escape public scrutiny because they are religious groups? These religious groups have the right to participate in the political process (consistent with the relevant laws). However, once religious groups step into the public square and become actively involved in the politic process, they can--and should--be subject to public scrutiny like any other participant in the political process.
If the Catholic Church, Mormon Church and other opponents of marriage equality cannot stand public scrutiny for their support of Question 1, SR 71 and Proposition 8 and other efforts to limit or take away marriage equality, then they should not step into the public square and participate in the political process. It is really that simple.
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Complaining of criticism after
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Indeed! When you stand up and announce your views in a public forum you cannot reasonably expect people to forget what you said.
The Catholic and Mormon Church have stepped out onto the field, and have become fair game.
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Please come to Canada
In the 1860's an instution called the "underground railway was set up to provide safe passage from a southern land of oppression to a northern land of freedom in Canada.
Americans believe they carry the torch of freedom for the globe .......yet remain, as they have through much of the past two centuries a people that limits freedom and in it's place enacts laws to limit the choices offered to it's people.
Do not loose heart....simply slip over your northern border as thousands of oppressed did before and during the civil war ...and come to freedom....you have nothing to loose except................ evangelical oppression....but gain the right to wed whom you love.
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Discrimination?
Is it legal for a gay man to marry a lesbian (or straight should they choose) woman ? Is it legal for a lesbian woman to marry a gay or straight man? The answer to both is yes. I therefore see no discrimination in defining marriage as being solely between a man and a woman. And as for attacking the catholic church I agree with the author, "Such anger and retaliation from the gay community are a sad indicator that they have no more arguments."
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