Does Intelligent Design Have Merit?

With about 70 billion stars and as many as 100 million life forms (at least here on Earth), the universe is a stunningly complex place. Did all of this matter evolve independently, or was it guided by a larger force – as proponents of intelligent design believe? With the debate raging in living rooms, classrooms and courtrooms, the stakes are high when it comes to determining intelligent design’s merit.

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self-contradictory nonsense from Luskin

So Luskin is accusing NCSE of being both anti-religion and pro-religion. He can't make up his mind, oscillating randomly between his desire to call NCSE a bunch of nasty atheists and his desire to call them a bunch of nasty science-and-religion-are-compatible-ists (creationists hate theistic evolution probably more than they hate the atheists, because theistic evolutionists disconfirm the creationist view which is that evolution = atheism).

Um, great argument!

- Nick Matzke September 18, 2008 9:23PM

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- Don't blame Casey
  
  After all he is just trying to compete with your legacy Nick. Coherent arguments are not really a requirement for ID.
  
  - PvM September 18, 2008 11:22PM
  
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- Hey Nick
  
  Your friend PvM gave out in this discussion:
  
  http://www.opposingviews.com/comments/sorry-about-my-prior-views
  
  Do you have any evidence that ID is religious that PvM was unable to bring up in those discussions?
  
  - F2XL November 19, 2008 6:20PM
  
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  - old thread
    
    Um this thread is months old and no one is reading it. Email me if you want more. But Pandas proves it all by itself. Creationism is religious. Pandas is creationism. Game over.
    
    - Nick Matzke November 19, 2008 6:38PM
    
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      I know this sounds crazy, but in a weird way I'm honored to get a response from you.
      
      Is there any chance you could somehow send me the original drafts through email or something? I'm just curious to see the notorious "cdesignproponentists" (or however the hell they misspelled it) in the way it was originally used. Does the NCSE have photocopies or PDF files of the early drafts for download? I'll give you my email if needed.
      
      But seeing that you obtained the drafts do you also happen to have a personal set of early drafts from back when Pandas was under a wide variety of different titles (including "creation biology" or something to that effect)?
      
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        The full drafts were all entered as evidential exhibits with the court and are on file there. It would be great if they were available for the world to see but they are copyright to The Foundation for Thought & Ethics so the stuff that is online is just short quotes/images through fair use:
        
        http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/10/i_guess_id_real.html
        http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/11/missing_link_cd.html
        http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/?p=80
        
        There are several articles summarizing what is in the drafts, email me at matzkeATberkeley.edu, I can send you those.
        
        PS: I have unsubscribed from OpposingViews so I won't see any further messages on these threads.
        
        - Nick Matzke November 24, 2008 1:14PM
        
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        For those of you reading....
        
        Here's some links to actual PASSAGES, something Nick failed to provide as requested.
        
        http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=795
        
        http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=796
        
        http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=797
        
        Now where is that religious content again?
        
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