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Wow!
But is there then nothing in all this that would be worth debating?
- mike1948
October 7, 2009 2:37PM
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Of course
(Lost a post, darnit -- trying again...)
Of course, there is always something worth debating or discussing. The problem is, in order to discuss Intelligent Design intelligently (if you will), it is necessary to agree from the outset that the discussion is one of theology, not science . Unfortunately, proponents of ID have set forth their theory as "science," not theology, because it is their express purpose to use it as a means of supplanting the teaching of evolution in school science courses with the teaching of creationism . The term "Intelligent Design" was crafted for this purpose. They do not wish to discuss ID as theology, or even to admit that it is a non-scientific, theological topic.
As their purpose, here, is an illogical attempt to substitute theology for science (perhaps very good theology, but certainly very bad "science," or rather, pseudoscience), there really can be no basis for rational debate.
- Babaroni
October 7, 2009 3:38PM
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ID is probably more philosophy then theology. Theology is more about cultural artifacts like trinity. Trying to make it into science weakens their argument. Which may be the point. There is money in arguing ID and that money stops if you win.
- mike1948
October 7, 2009 11:03PM
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Oh, but...
Oh, but they DO want to win. They are invested in the outcome. They wish to do away with the separation of Church and State, and have religion taught in schools as scientific fact.
ID IS a theological argument. It is the proposition that the earth could not have become what it is without a guiding divinity to begin the process and keep it on track. It is reformulated creationism . It is the proposition that God exists and is actively involved in the world as we know it. Theology is the study of God, and ID is a facet of theology.
They don't argue this point for money . They argue it because of a deep-seated belief that they must "win souls for God" and must do all within their power to compel the world into believing as they do and worshiping in the manner in which they worship.
You are correct that they weaken their argument when they try to promote it as science , but science is the only reason for having the argument at all, in their view. They are seeking any means they can find to discredit evolution , and to prove creationism. They do not want evolution taught, and so they have come up with a re-branded creationism to attempt to supplant it in the schools, or at least to force creationism to be taught alongside evolution, as if it were science.
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October 7, 2009 11:54PM
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there also making lots of money . These are the choices, I can argue ID as philosophy and win or I can argue ID as science and loose, but people will give me lots of money to do it.
- mike1948
October 8, 2009 9:42AM
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