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(Opinion) 'The Invention of Lying' Contains Sinister Anti-God Message

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What wouldn't to you?

You can find an argument against religion inside a Pez dispenser. You ignore everything good about religion in your zeal to paint the religious as zealots.

- SolarSanitizer October 4, 2009 6:41PM

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- Paint
  
  When did criticism of religion become painting 'the religious as zealots'?
  
  - MrBook October 4, 2009 7:45PM
  
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  - Constantly.
    
    When you do it incessently and at every possible opportunity.
    
    You are not hopeless, though.
    
    http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Theophobia +treatment
    
    - SolarSanitizer October 4, 2009 7:52PM
    
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      I am rather critical of the major organized religions, and religion in general... but that is largely confined to areas where it tries to spill out into the observable universe.
      
      - MrBook October 4, 2009 9:51PM
      
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      - Or in other words...
        
        When you say "...it tries to spill out into the observable universe", do you mean whenever it is observed by you?
        
        Other people attack things they detest whenever they observe it also. People like racists and homophobes.
        
        How does your intolerance differ from theirs, exactly?
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 4, 2009 10:03PM
        
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        debate
        
        I'm still not sure what you are getting at... this is a debate website, I come here to debate topics that are posted.
        
        - MrBook October 5, 2009 6:32AM
        
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        Yes it is.
        
        It is a debate site, and we are here to promote opposing views. I agree.
        
        Just like I would find the person who would attack homosexuality as a sin every time "it tries to spill out into the observable universe" intolerant, I find you to be intolerant to organized religion . You know exactly what I am 'getting at' here, you just do not like the possibility of considering yourself as an intolerant person. I do not dislike you, I think you are a bright person with many well considered positions. Those positions I argue against on their merits.
        
        However, you do not argue against religion, you attack it. At every opportunity. As if to discredit it, but without any reasons given.
        
        So, if you are now sure what I am getting at, why do you oppose religion so strongly that you speak out at it every time "it tries to spill out into the observable universe."?
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 5, 2009 7:53AM
        
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        opposing views
        
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        I am totally intolerant to pedophiles, and assume all here are. Perhaps you could explain how this makes all, or any of us, "racists and homophobes"?
        
        I am intolerant of many other despicable things too; the pope telling Africans condoms are worse than aids, 50% of pregnancies ending in termination by god , people who drive in the fast lane when they're the slowest on the road, the list goes on.
        
        I it still doesn't make me a "racists and homophobes"
        
        - alaskansee October 6, 2009 4:04PM
        
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        I am pleased I got your attention.
        
        I am not so happy that I offended you.
        
        I stated:
        "Other people attack things they detest whenever they observe it also. People like racists and homophobes.
        
        How does your intolerance differ from theirs, exactly?"
        
        In this, I point out how racists and homophobes are intolerant. I then asked how it is not similar when one person is intolerant when compared to another intolerant person. I was talking about intolerance, not about specific intolerances. I did not say, not did I imply, that all intolerant people are racists and homophobes. The context of intolerance to which I was referring was the very real, and very unfair intolerance shown toward the devout by those who feel they are better or smarter.
        
        If you are intolerant toward people who love their God, you are no better than if you were intolerant toward people who are gay, or black. This does not make you racist or a homophobe, of course. Unless you are also a racist or a homophobe.
        
        If this is still unclear, feel free to point out what is unclear.
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 6, 2009 4:29PM
        
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        I think what he meant by spill into the observable universe
        
        Is when religious people try to enforce their religious views on the non-religious or people of other religions. I don't detest religion I just want it separate from my nations laws, as the founders intended. Funny how Christians love to bash Muslim nations for creating laws based on their faith when Christians are trying to do the same thing here.
        
        The difference in "intolerance" is that you (using the word you to refer to all religious people who try to push their views on the rest of us) are choosing to push your beliefs on others who don't want it. I'm intolerant of pushy jackasses. If I were intolerant of a certain race or sexual preference because of the way they were born I would be an intolerant jackass. Not wanting you to set laws on me based on your interpretation of your book is not intolerance.
        
        - State of Reason October 7, 2009 10:53AM
        
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        What should laws be based on?
        
        "I don't detest religion I just want it separate from my nations laws, as the founders intended/Not wanting you to set laws on me based on your interpretation of your book is not intolerance."
        
        All laws are based on morals. Morals are the ideas that one holds which differentiate a "right" from "wrong". There is no morality in science , since science only observes what is there, it can not make a judgement on good or bad. What then should we base our laws on? Perhaps you don't want it based on the Judeo Christian belief system, but then it must be based on some belief system. Should it be yours? It can't be everyone's. Whose, then?
        
        - Jerica October 7, 2009 11:08AM
        
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        I don't like it when religion imposes on others either.
        
        I do not and did not support that. I am not pushing religious views on you or anyone else. I am pointing out how it is intolerant to automatically assume that if someone is not bashing Christianity, they /must/ be a devout Christian.
        
        Is there no middle ground left? Am I pushy by pointing out intolerance against people who believe in God? If so, fine. But I ask that you not come at me with your anti-religious prejudices. I am not preaching religion , I am pointing out intolerance.
        
        I did not condemn this movie. I condemned mistreatment of a wide swath of people who have done nothing wrong by people here on this site.
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 7, 2009 11:15AM
        
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        You are what you preach
        
        People who believe in God also believe that upon your death - if you haven't accepted Jesus Christ as your saviour will be forever banished to hell. The Bible also encourages people to teach others the word of God and what the Bible says. They don't try and push their beliefs on others - they are only trying to do what in their hearts they believe is what God wants them to do and they also don't want to see anyone they care about live a life that they believe will result in an eternal unhappiness. There are always overeager zealots in any belief system but the majority of "religious" people have good hearts and only the best intentions. When it comes to homosexuality - that is for God to determine whether it is wrong - we are not to judge. By labeling all religious people as trying to push their agenda on you - you are doing exactly what you are " preaching " against and that is trying to push onto everyone that religious people are pushy. This country was founded on religion and like it or not the majority living here believe in a higher power - whatever form it/he/she may take so if you don't like it - why not move somewhere else instead of trying to belittle and degrade the majority of americans because you might have had a bad experience with someone. Most all Americans are sick and tired of people like you complaining about everything.
        
        - OhForTheLoveOfGod October 8, 2009 9:15AM
        
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        To get back on topic
        
        I haven't seen the movie, but from the review above I can't wait.
        
        - State of Reason October 7, 2009 10:54AM
        
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        I've seen the previews. I'll be watching it as well.
        
        Looks to be really funny and the story seems original.
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 7, 2009 11:17AM
        
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        Why argue with MrBook?
        
        He is not open to other peoples opinions or arguments. He has made up his mind and is completely intolerant of anyone who does not believe as he does. Just read his posts it is blatantly apparent where he stands on most if not all subjects. I read his posts but I do not respond as that would be the same as talking to a wall.
        
        - TheCatholicHeretic October 7, 2009 12:48PM
        
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        I don't know.
        
        I'll think about that.
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 7, 2009 12:57PM
        
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        The irony
        
        " He has made up his mind and is completely intolerant of anyone who does not believe as he does."
        
        This describes you and the Catholic League perfectly. How ironic.
        
        "I read his posts but I do not respond as that would be the same as talking to a wall."
        
        Once again, it perfectly matches you and the Catholic League. It's like talking to a brick wall. Impenetrable to logic, reason and fact.
        
        - WayOfTheDodo October 7, 2009 3:56PM
        
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    - Constantly, you say?
      
      Funny how the Catholic League constantly is whining about any hint of criticism, labeling everything as "bigotry". The persecution complex is quite amazing. Whine, whine, whine. The Catholics don't have the power to simply chop off your head if you don't agree with them, so now they constantly portray themselves as victims despite the fact that their organization is one of the most powerful in the world. Truly pathetic.
      
      - WayOfTheDodo October 7, 2009 3:54PM
      
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      - Yeah..
        
        I was accusing that user of constant and incessant intolerance at anything resembling religion or anyone who identified themselves as religious.
        
        I am not minimizing the atrocities perpetrated by worshipers throughout history.
        
        So...
        
        - SolarSanitizer October 7, 2009 4:19PM
        
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