Global Warming is a National Security Issue

(Opinion) Global Warming is a National Security Issue

By NRDC

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  • SolarSanitizer
    Too often the argument gets bogged down

    By fighting about whether or not this is a man-made issue. It doesn't matter if it is man-made or natural, people. If it is happening, we should work towards either stopping what is causing it, work towards preventing it, or work towards preparing for it.

    To do nothing except hope for the best is a losing strategy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

    - SolarSanitizerUS October 15, 2009 11:52PM

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    • LagerHead
      But, what if?

      What if it isn't happening? We haven't seen an increase in global temperatures in the last decade, and many experts are predicting a cooling trend to last for the next couple.

      Personally, I'm not convinced that there is any man-made climate change because of the level of dishonesty that is evident in the presentations by the likes of Al Bore...er, I mean Gore. Not to mention ample evidence that shows much higher levels of CO2 in our planet's history that are associated with lower global temperatures.

      - LagerHeadUS October 16, 2009 9:27AM

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      • SolarSanitizer
        I hear ya.

        I refer you back to my post, and the link within it.

        I highly recommend it.

        - SolarSanitizerUS October 16, 2009 3:18PM

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        • LagerHead
          I think his argument is flawed

          He assumes that the consequences in column B can't happen in column A. But couldn't a global depression lead to many of the of the social and political problems in column B? I think they could. Wars and people seeking refuge from their country's lack of resources could definitely be a result of global depression.

          I think the better answer is for the folks who are covering up evidence to stop doing so. Then you can make informed choices rather buying lottery tickets. There's a reason they call the lottery a "tax on the stupid."

          - LagerHeadUS October 16, 2009 3:35PM

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          • SolarSanitizer
            He assumes no such thing.

            He accounts for that as well, rightly asserting that while there would be some problems, we both know that they would be much /much/ less pronounced.

            You are stuck in row thinking. Period.

            Besides, comparing his "lottery-ticket" analogy to actual lottery tickets is almost a cop-out.

            He is illustrating that we have 2 choices, generally. Act, or don't act. Bickering about whether or not it is real places us firmly in column b, by default, due to inaction.

            Are we really going to spend energy arguing about whether or not it is real when we could be preparing for a possible event?

            Here is an analogy you'll probably accept: We keep a spare tire because one might go flat. We do not refuse to have a spare and instead argue about whether or not one will go out before getting a good spare.

            - SolarSanitizerUS October 16, 2009 4:02PM

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            • LagerHead
              Still flawed.

              After your last comment I thought I must have missed something because you said he accounted for the worst case in column A. After watching it again, I am baffled, because I certainly didn't see it. Not only that, if more than just economic consequences are possible in column A/false, then they certainly are possible under column A/true, making column A the LESS attractive option, not the more attractive one.

              Besides all that, the guy leaves out at least one other possibility. We COULD do more research and make an informed decision rather than basing action on piss poor " science ." That was the option that was left out with environmental extremists pushed for a ban on DDT, claiming that it contributed to cancer and killed off bird species, despite the fact that there was no proof of either claim. Now and estimated 300 - 800 million people suffer from malaria because their governments refuse to use DDT to eradicate malaria bearing mosquitoes despite the World Health Organization lifting the ban on DDT in 2006 citing the complete lack of any evidence of any negative side effects.

              So they went with column A, and we're way worse off because of it. Not you and me, because we're not poor people living in a poor country. And DDT was pretty much eradicated here long before the ban because of the use of DDT, so it doesn't affect us directly. But there are millions of families destroyed every year because of "column A."

              Now we could just act blindly following the blind lead of the blind Al Gore, who still demonizes DDT and has a picture of Rachel Carlson hanging in his office, or we could make an informed decision, recognize that the polar ice cap is expanding, not contracting, pay attention to the glaring "inaccuracies" or what the rest of the world calls lies in Al Gore's film and the science that backs it (like the stupid "Hockey Stick" graph) or we could do a little more research and make a decision that is better than column A or column B.

              But, since politicians are the ones making the decisions, no matter what happens, we're screwed. Hell, even if climate change is a myth and we do nothing, it will probably costs us somehow.

              - LagerHeadUS October 19, 2009 8:31AM

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              • SolarSanitizer
                No

                "After your last comment I thought I must have missed something because you said he accounted for the worst case in column A. After watching it again, I am baffled, because I certainly didn't see it. Not only that, if more than just economic consequences are possible in column A/false, then they certainly are possible under column A/true, making column A the LESS attractive option, not the more attractive one."

                He said that column A\true accounts for the cost and since the money was spent, the damaging affects of it being true went to help prevent the worst case scenarios. It is bad, he says, but livable.

                Column A is the best choice because it eliminates the possibility of the cataclysmic effects of column B/true. If only because there was preparation.

                - SolarSanitizerUS October 19, 2009 4:47PM

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    • CitizenZebra
      please excuse

      A question; What does your sentence mean?/"It doesn't matter if it is man-made or natural, people.

      The syntax is irregular.

      - CitizenZebraUS October 19, 2009 5:54PM

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      • SolarSanitizer
        I see what you mean.

        I was typing as if speaking to the reader. I probably could have phrased it better. I'll rephrase:

        Listen, folks- It does not matter if it is man-made or natural.

        - SolarSanitizerUS October 19, 2009 6:30PM

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    • MrBook
      very interesting

      That is a great video Solar!

      - MrBookUS October 19, 2009 6:41PM

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      • SolarSanitizer
        Thank you.

        It's not mine, but I like to share it. It really changed how I view the whole debate.

        - SolarSanitizerUS October 19, 2009 6:48PM

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