Would Allowing Students to Carry Weapons Make College Campuses Safer?

Would Allowing Students to Carry Weapons Make College Campuses Safer?

America has become haunted by the specter of deadly school shootings. As we all work to prevent further tragedy, some are advocating allowing students to carry concealed firearms as a means of defense. But would such measures really make college campuses safer?

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  • gatorgirl7563
    that's the LAST thing we need.

    hundreds of drunk post- teens , showing off for their peers and trying to impress members of the opposite sex.

    I can see it now....
    20 year old boys shooting beer cans off each other's heads, not paying attention to everything that is BEHIND the target.

    Girls fighting over hot boys. Boys fighting over hot girls.

    Students will shoot strangers that they THINK MIGHT be the person that stole their cellphones and laptops.

    People will shoot each other for dumb reasons like gropings, car accidents, not helping someone cheat, gossiping, pranks, namecalling, and fights.

    Students would use their guns to intimidate each other, bully each other, and commit crimes, like rapes, robberies, assualts, kidnappings, and murders.

    Let's not forget about all of the bullet holes everywhere.
    Who will pay for the damage to cars, buildings, windows, furniture, and other private property?

    Having a bunch of guns legally on campus would just mean that when a psycho DOES start shooting, EVERYONE will start to shoot EVERYONE ELSE, because they think that THAT person, and THAT person, and THAT person are the shooters since THEY HAVE A GUN!!!

    Someone is going to take their new gun out to show it to their friends, and they'll get shot, because they're waving a gun around.

    People will accidentally shoot each other, because when they pull the trigger, they will believe that the gun is empty or that the safety is on. Guns in backpacks will go off because the safety is not on.

    If students have guns then they are going to want to practice their aiming skills. That means building a gun shooting range, or allowing students to make their own targets and practice in an unsafe environment , which some will unfortunately do regardless of whether a safe facility is provided for them.

    Having hundreds of guns on campus, means listening to gunshots at all hours of the day and night. In addition to the annoyance of hearing gunshots, people would become desensitized to the presence of guns and sound of gunshots. Becoming desensitized to the sound of gunshots means that people would ignore them, and thus when a psycho started firing, people would under-react. (In my highschool, the fire alarm would go off at least five times a month because of faulty wiring. In the four years that I attended, I learned to ignore the fire alarm since there was NEVER a real fire. When fire drills were performed, a staff member would have to go on the speaker, and say that "this is a practice drill , please evacuate," because otherwise people wouldn't get out of their desks. If there ever was a real fire, no one would respond promptly and there would be a delay of several minutes before people started to evacuate the building.)

    If teachers, parents , and students, feel that guns MUST me present at schools in order to ensure the peace, safety, and securtiy of their staff and students, then the TEACHERS should carry guns.

    I WOULD NEVER GO TO A COLLEGE THAT ALLOWED ITS STUDENTS TO HAVE GUNS, because I wouldn't feel SAFE.

    I reccommend that people watch this YouTube video. It is a fan-made video that uses scenes from the show "Trigun", about and set to the song "Let There Be Guns", which is also known as "Wouldn't It Be Great If Everybody Had A Gun?" The song is by Arrogant Worms.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCtD3OJ-_Es

    Episode#3 of Trigun is suppossed to show both sides of the gun argument - that murderous gangs would develop and that people would use guns to defend themselves.

    - gatorgirl7563US April 18, 2009 12:00PM

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    • tenmaster96
      Can you say projection

      Please Please Please go do some research before you post such things that are so incorrect and full of fallacies and misconceptions. I am going to attempt to answer your assumptions one at a time. First you have to be 21 to obtain a Concealed Weapons Permit(CWP) so having 20 year-olds isn't going to happen. As for the next 7 or so small paragraphs, I am sorry you feel like you would do this if you owned or carried a gun but as history shows us none of the scenarios you listed have happened ever. CWP holders carry everywhere off campus so why does the imaginary line of crossing on campus suddenly make everyone irresponsible and basically stupid? This stuff doesn't happen off campus so why would it mysteriously happen on campus. As for the drinking how many times have you gone drunk to class? I know I never have and nor as anyone I know.

      I obviously don't know the number of CWP holders in the US to assume there are enough to have multiple CWP holders at one place during one shooting and them take each other out(again never happened anywhere off campus so why will it happen on campus). In the US there are about 1 CWP holder out of every 100 citizens. For the 21-30 age group that is much lower in the range of 1 in 300. So in your largest lecture class of 300+ students you statistically might have 1 CWP holder carrying a weapon for self defense.

      In your next section you state instances several times of guns just going off. I have been working with firearms for a long time and I also am an instructor and I can tell you will all certainty there is no presently built firearm that just goes off. Companies go out of their way to make sure a firearm cant just go off, almost all new firearms also have drop safeties so you could throw it out a car at 100mph and it still wouldn't go off(it would ruin a perfectly good handgun tho). I am seeing in your writing that you have a genuine fear of firearms and I am sorry for that, I really suggest you go to a local range and go talk to the people there about possibly taking a class so you can better understand firearms and their use because you really don't understand them now.

      As for the becoming desensitized to gunshots, first all of your other scenarios are completely baseless so you wouldn't have this massive increase of gunfire anyways, but even if you did(never would happen) most people don't know what sound a firearm really makes anyways. They assume it is a car backfiring or a firecracker.

      As for allowing teachers to carry and not students what is the difference between a first year teacher and a 26 year old Iraq veteran going back to school? Why or how is the teacher better qualified than the student?

      Ok so after watching your so called video evidence it makes sense that you have a distorted view of reality please visit http://www.concealedcampus.org/common_arguments.php to get a dose of reality. You obviously don't understand firearms or their owners so I am not going to spend any more time on you. Please just do some research before you post any other fantasy scenario that has/would never happen.

      - tenmaster96US May 6, 2009 8:00PM

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    • erik
      Your Paranoia is Astounding

      Including all of your text made the comment too long. As such I have truncated your original claims.


      "hundreds of drunk post- teens , showing off ...."

      There are already restrictions on CWP and alcohol consumption. You cannot legally carry a firearm while drinking, even if you have a permit. It doesn't happen off campus, and there's no reason to believe it would happen on campus. Furthermore, drinking and carrying a weapon is usually grounds to revoke a CWP. Those who are serious about personal protection wouldn't take that risk.

      "I can see it now....
      20 year old boys shooting beer cans off each other's heads...."

      You must be 21 in most states to obtain a CWP.

      "Girls fighting over hot boys. Boys fighting over hot girls."

      When CWP was first introduced, law enforcement thought it would cause shootouts over parking spots. Their fears were just as unfounded then as yours are now.

      "Students will shoot strangers that they THINK MIGHT be the person that stole their cellphones and laptops."

      A CWP is not a license to kill. The CWP holder must be endanger of death or serious bodily harm in order to use deadly force. Again, people don't shoot random people off campus because they think they're criminals, there is no evidence CWP holders would act differently on campus.

      "People will shoot each other for dumb reasons ...."

      See the previous two responses.

      "Students would use their guns to intimidate each other...."

      Statistically, CWP holders commit far fewer crimes than the general population.

      "Let's not forget about all of the bullet holes everywhere.
      ...?"

      A CWP is not a license to kill. It's also not a license to shoot whatever you want.

      "... EVERYONE will start to shoot EVERYONE ELSE, ...!!!"

      The average "gun fight" lasts less than 8 seconds. Furthermore, many potential crimes are stopped by the mere display of "will and means" to defend. More often than not, the conflict can be resolved without shots fired . They would not start randomly shooting at other CWP holders, because on the off chance that another permit holder was around, he would not present a threat.

      "... because they're waving a gun around."

      This paranoid statement doesn't even deserve a response.

      "People will accidentally shoot each other,...."

      The first theory is an example of gun owner stupidity, and would be the fault of the shooter, not the gun. Furthermore, it's highly unlikely a CWP holder would do something so stupid as it they would lack a complete understanding of firearms and basic safety. The second is virtually impossible regardless of whether or not the safety is on (if the handgun even has one) as guns include a built in block that would prevent the firing pin from reaching the primer even if the trigger were somehow knocked.

      ".... That means building a gun shooting range, or allowing students to make their own targets ...."

      There is no reason the school would have to provide a shooting range for its students. As for the unsafe target practice: once again, a CWP is not a license to shoot anything, anywhere.

      "Having hundreds of guns on campus , means listening to gunshots at all hours ...."

      First off, based on the average carry rate of 1%, and the number of eligible students approx 30%, to have "hundreds" of concealed weapons would require over 66,000 undergraduates. That is a large school. You wouldn't hear gunshots everywhere because a CWP still isn't a license to shoot whatever you want whenever you want.

      "..., then the TEACHERS should carry guns."

      Teachers, and anyone else with a permit should be allowed to carry weapons on campus.

      "I WOULD NEVER GO TO A COLLEGE THAT ALLOWED ITS STUDENTS TO HAVE GUNS, because I wouldn't feel SAFE."

      Feeling safe is not the same as being safe. You can feel safe all you want, I rather have the opportunity for legal self defense.

      "I reccommend that people watch this YouTube video . ....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCtD3OJ-_Es

      ...."

      Mildly amusing at best. You claim that if everyone had a gun, everyone would end up shooting each other. Have you ever been to a shooting range? When I go, everyone has a gun, and nobody gets shot. Imagine that.

      - erikUS January 10, 2010 9:40PM

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