Should Schools Require That Children Be Vaccinated?

Should Schools Require That Children Be Vaccinated?

Hepatitis, Diphtheria, Rubella...Each year millions of children are vaccinated in order to prevent potentially fatal illnesses like these. But should schools be able to mandate vaccines? Some parents see them as vital lifesavers, but others fear serious or perhaps even debilitating risks. How much authority should schools have in determining your child’s health?

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  • MrBook
    surviving isn't being cured?

    "A burst appendix is not truly cured if it's removed. A hemorrhage isn't truly cured if it's clipped. So no, not even a doctor can cure those things. Simply remove or clip, just a fix, but not a cure. I'm not letting anyone cut a hole in my body for ANY REASON."
    -babpiper2005

    How about the appendicitis condition itself? That is cured by through surgical removal of the appendix? Or what about advanced cases of cancer cured through chemo? Or organ transplants to cure kidney failure (or heart defects)? Blood transfusions following a traumatic injury? Limb reattachment?

    Also, how many people have you met have had polio? Or had a relative die from smallpox? These are catastrophic diseases that killed many people, yet have largely died out since the introduction of vaccinations against those diseases.

    "But, as I said, my living will prevents me from having to go through treatment for those things. It also prevents me from having any life-saving measures taken. It prevents me from being hauled to the hospital after a nasty car accident. It prevents me from ever receiving pretty much any medical treatment you can name, and if it means I die earlier because of a nasty accident then so be it, I'll die knowing I'm doing the right thing by hitting doctors where it hurts them the most...in their fat bank accounts. "
    -bagpiper2005

    a philosophical or ethical argument, but not one that casts doubt on the effectiveness of doctors... indeed you acknowledge that doctors are effective when you state: "It prevents me from ever receiving pretty much any medical treatment you can name, and if it means I die earlier because of a nasty accident then so be it,"

    "When doctors agree to do work for free and/or provide their services to those that can't afford it, maybe I'll think a bit differently about them."
    -bagpiper2005

    Like Doctors without Borders? Or how if you go to the emergency room to get emergency care the hospital is required to give it, even if you cannot pay (how it works in the US)? Or the national health care systems found in Canada and the UK? What other professions do you have the same high standards for? Are cooks ethically bankrupt because they don't provide free food ?

    "However, I follow the Natural Cures book. I never get sick. I haven't seen a money -hungry doctor in years. I actually have hypertension, however, I've resolved it by natural means. Isn't that amazing? "
    -bagpiper2005

    I saw the a doctor for the first time in my 29 odd years about two months ago, when I had a fever of over 100 for several days. In general I am a healthy adult male who does not have an exceptionally stressful job, eats relatively well, and gets some exercise. Barring a serious accident the chances that I'll need to see a doctor are very low. Only a small number of people need to see a doctor on a regular basis, so your doctor free lifestyle isn't all that remarkable.

    "I actually have hypertension, however, I've resolved it by natural means. Isn't that amazing?"

    Unless it is acute hypertension is very manageable given the right lifestyle choices (low salt, lots of exercise, etc...). So claiming that you are in control does not mean that you have encountered the source of all health .

    - MrBookUS May 31, 2009 12:17AM

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    • bagpiper2005
      "Acute" Hypertension

      If by that you mean "primary" hypertension, then yes, this was the diagnosis. Take a mixture of rauwolfia extract and something else (look up Carditone Vegan Tablets) in addition to being a regular moderate drinker (which has a host of benefits other than for the heart) and everything is A-OK!

      I refuse any and all of the treatments you listed. I would refuse surgery to remove my appendix. I would refuse blood transfusions. No organ transplants for me. No chemo/radio. NO NOTHING. My living will refuses ALL TYPES of medical intervention. EMS gets called out to a wreck, and I'm lying there bleeding to death, they have to let me die. It's that extreme.

      - bagpiper2005US May 31, 2009 12:31AM

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      • MrBook
        but if your will did not allow they would be able to help you

        "I refuse any and all of the treatments you listed. I would refuse surgery to remove my appendix. I would refuse blood transfusions. No organ transplants for me. No chemo/radio. NO NOTHING. My living will refuses ALL TYPES of medical intervention. EMS gets called out to a wreck, and I'm lying there bleeding to death, they have to let me die. It's that extreme."
        -bagpiper2005

        But you do agree that if it was not for you living will that the EMT's would be able to help you, and would possibly save your life using modern (western) medicine ?

        - MrBookUS May 31, 2009 8:46AM

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        • bagpiper2005
          Maybe, However...

          It is my personal opinion that I would rather die than to be paralyzed for life, become an amputee, or something of that sort. That's why I refuse emergency treatment. Emergency treatment has its place (for those who are willing to live with being handicapped for the rest of their lives), however, due to the potential life-long effects (paralysis, loss of limbs) I'd rather just die than be "handicapped" personally.

          - bagpiper2005US May 31, 2009 4:12PM

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          • MrBook
            your preference...

            "It is my personal opinion that I would rather die than to be paralyzed for life, become an amputee, or something of that sort."
            -bagpiper2005

            It's your choice not to take that chance, though I'm curious as to what that chance is. However what I am trying to get at here is the effectiveness of modern (western) medicine . If someone goes face first through a windshield and slides across the pavement then which system offers them the best chance of survival and a normal life? Western medicine or the practices in your 'Natural Cures' book.

            "Emergency treatment has its place (for those who are willing to live with being handicapped for the rest of their lives), however, due to the potential life-long effects (paralysis, loss of limbs) I'd rather just die than be "handicapped" personally."
            -bagpiper2005

            Again, what are the statistics behind this? If I fall, break a rib and puncture a lung, what are the chances that I will end up handicapped if I go to the emergency room?

            - MrBookUS June 1, 2009 7:07AM

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            • bagpiper2005
              Described situations

              Face first thru the windshield onto the pavement = instantaneous death either way you slice it. Both are ineffective in this case.

              Second situation leaves me VERY handicapped. Chances are I lose that lung, and I play a very air-intensive instrument, thus leaving me unable to play. Even so I'll have reduced lung capacity in that lung, which still leaves me unable to play the pipes. So that DOES leave me handicapped.

              - bagpiper2005US June 1, 2009 7:21AM

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