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CNN Refuses to Run Ad Critical of Lou Dobbs
Support Lou Dobbs and American Freedoms!
These people are attacking Lou Dobbs and all 1st Amendment rights! They want to silence him because they disagree with his views. If they take down Dobbs, nobody will be safe!
ALIPAC Open Letter To Lou Dobbs: Freedoms in America
http://www.alipac.us/article-4424-thread-1-0.html
- ALIPAC
August 4, 2009 1:57PM
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Free Speech guys
Out of curiosity, how do you think an idea that is incorrect should be disseminated through the social world?
People have conspiracy theories about all sorts of things. Why should a major news organization give them the time of day when there's so much evidence proving them wrong?
- quantummechanik August 4, 2009 2:07PM
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What Lou Dobbs really said
Lou never promoted a conspiracy theory. That is just a lie being circulated by Media Matters. Media Matters skillfully lies all the time. Lou actually said he disagreed with the "Birthers" and felt Obama was born in Hawaii.
He did say that Obama had done a poor job of addressing these concerns and that Obama should release his long form birth certificate for inspection to clear up the confusion.
That is what he really said. Do you disagree with anything Lou said now that you know the truth and how do you feel about being lied to by Media Matters?
- ALIPAC
August 4, 2009 2:40PM
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I don't see how
Lou Dobbs has freedom of speech on his side, but the people who made the commercial don't.
- quantummechanik August 4, 2009 3:04PM
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Incorrect
The Media Matters commercial is running on several networks such as MSNBC and FOX as well as over 100,000 views on Youtube. CNN is not running it out of respect for Dobbs. Nobody is calling for anyone that made that commercial to be silenced or lose their jobs .
It is anti-American and anti-American Freedoms to support the calling for Lou Dobbs to lose his job for what he has to say.
Where are you employed and what is your real name. i don't like what you have to say here, perhaps I should openly call for you to be fired for you to understand why Americans value the 1st Amendment protections so much. From what I hear, you have very little of those in Canada so perhaps you do not understand.
- ALIPAC
August 4, 2009 3:31PM
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I'm as
American as anyone else who was born in the US, thank you.
First Amendment protections don't protect against a company firing a person based on what they say.
- quantummechanik August 4, 2009 3:42PM
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As usual, an American ignorant of their Northern neighbours
Canada and Canadians enjoy more freedom than almost any other nation in the world. We have a Bill of Rights, we have a constitution , we have the rule of Law and Good government and we believe in orderly conduct when dealing with our fellow citizens so don't go spouting jingoistic BS from your font of ignorance ALIPAC.
You right wing neo-cons like to throw the term "socialism"around like it was a crime but our Nation is regularly ranked among the top 3 in the world for safety, social services (not socialism) respect for the law , hospitality and a cosmopolitan world view to name a few things the US is a bit short on. We value freedom of speech asnd it is guaranteed here, but unlike you guys, we don't have a sense of entitlement to shoot at those we disagree with because we can get a cheap gun from illegal sellers.
- weedonald
August 5, 2009 12:39PM
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Lou Dobbs
You need to understand that "freedom of speech" refers to the Governments ability to control speech of the citizens. CNN can decide what or if they will run any ad. Why would any business run an ad critical of itself?
- mike1125
August 5, 2009 2:41PM
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I'm still confused
as to why Freedom of Speech is brought up at all, either for Mr. Dobbs or for the MediaMatters people.
- quantummechanik August 5, 2009 4:24PM
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Private business
Freedom of speech is a Government issue where the Constitution says the GOVERNMENT cannot restrict free speech . CNN is a privately owned company and has the right to control what is and is not broadcast on their network. As far as Media Matters, they are anything but believers in free speech unless it's something that agrees with their political agenda. They attack anybody that disagrees with them.
- tbcass
August 6, 2009 6:26AM
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He's so smarmy
Don't whitewash him. He keeps claiming there's a "long form" birth certificate Obama could produce, which has been debunked, and he's had all these crazies on his show (like this Taitz woman) and petted them. When he says he doesn't believe it, that's the truth. Saying he doesn't want others to believe it, and he isn't doing all he can to make sure they do, is a lie.
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August 5, 2009 5:02PM
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I'm very curious.
Who has proven there is no birth certificate?
If there is no birth certificate then there was no birth.
- jaker277
August 6, 2009 5:33AM
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Why Dobbs is Unpatriotic
The term Patriotism suggests we have a love for our country. Patriotism during times of war means not only support for our country and for our military , it also means we as citizens are supportive of our President, our government and our way of life. We do not support overthrow, demonize or demoralization of our citizenry. Dobbs has supported the zealots from the Birther movement to continue their attempted overthrow of our administration. Have you listened to the Leader of the Birther Movement, Orly Taitz? She is their leader. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUaca8wP9w
This is the person Dobbs is supporting. Listen to what she says. She is calling for the President to be removed from office. She supports her claim with a fake Kenyan birth certificate. She is calling Obama Nazi and his supporters Brown Shirts. What a nutcase. SHE IS LEADER OF THE BIRTHERS. This is who Dobbs is supporting.
It is extremely unpatriotic to support someone who is calling for the overthrow of our American Government by removing our President over false claims. These are times of war. The terrorists are ROFLOL over this mess.
Lou Dobbs' ratings are falling because the American Public does not want to watch his anger filled diatribes any more. If CNN allows him to continue to support his freedom of speech, then CNN should run the media matters ad to support their freedom of speech. Allow the ratings to provide the reason for Dobbs dismissal.
- True American
August 4, 2009 4:15PM
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Please do not
reccomend your own posts.
- quantummechanik August 4, 2009 5:17PM
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Quantum,
I recommended YOUR post. If I misclicked...mybad.
I like your questions. You are very cute!
- True American
August 4, 2009 6:06PM
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doth protest too much; Rule 12
Don't get me started on all of the 'patriotism talk'. I heard it 24/7 during Bush's last 7 years. You will not convince me that 77% of America were unpatriotic because they were not "supportive of government during a time of war". I'll call B.S. on that excited diatribe.
What I really want to point out to you and others is your perfect following of Rule 12.
"RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."
~Saul Alinsky
Well done. Do you get paid to hack politick?
- SolarSanitizer
August 5, 2009 2:09AM
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Lou Dobbs is NOT unpatriotic
Lou does NOT support the " birthers ". He just respects their right to freedom of speech.
Unlike FOX or MSNBC, Lou Dobbs gives everyone a chance to air their views, whether he agrees with them or not. Lou respects the American people. He is the only one that realizes that we are intelligent enough to form our own opinions.
It is Lou's job as well as that of other journalists to report hard facts and not slant it one way or the other. Had the reporters done that prior to the war in Iraq, had they asked the difficult questions, we would NEVER have backed the invasion of Iraq.
GO LOU!!!! Don't let any of these clowns shut you up!!! You speak for me! I may not agree with you all the time, but this is or at least it used to be a FREE country where we had the right to say and think what we wanted.
The claims against Obama may be false but he could clear it all up by providing a hard copy of the birth certificate.
- denise0513
August 5, 2009 11:56AM
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You're funny
You bring up "a time of war" and "wants to overthrow our President". Where the hell were you for the entire eight years of the Bush terms? You liberals were comparing him to Hitler, calling our troops Nazis, and constantly calling for Bush to be impeached. All we heard was how we should withdraw from Iraq IMMEDIATELY, and Pelolsi and Reid told you they would do that on day one if Obama won. Guess what? He WON, and none of you bastards are saying a word about Obama and Pelosi totally ignoring what they said they were going to do. All we heard was how we need to go after Bin Laden, but not a peep since Obama won. You people need to get your heads out of your ass and remember what the hell you say, because you seem to switch off the criticism when it's your hero Obama not doing what you DEMANDED that Bush do. Geez, you make me sick.
- kong99
August 5, 2009 6:00PM
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Right Wing Nutcases
Actually it is you right wingnuts that are crazy. You Birthers are ANTI American and very unpatriotic. In these times of war, we should be supporting our President and our Country, not wishing both to fail.
I have always supported our troops as have all Liberals and PRO America supporters. My family has been in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War and I have 2 nephews in Iraq. I doubt you can say the same. You never, ever served. All you and you bloviators can do is talk about it. Beck, Hannity, Dobbs, O'Reilly were all too scared to serve in war. All they are is big blowhards!
You Birthers and Teabaggers are a bunch of traitors and nuts. Shame on you!!
- True American
August 5, 2009 6:13PM
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The traitors are in DC
A true patriot questions his government. If your were a true American then you would know that the government is a servant of the people and as such is held accountable to the people.
- jaker277
August 6, 2009 5:46AM
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Hmmm
I think the Left wingnuts are just as nutso as the Right wingnuts. It all depends on who's in power and who's being criticized. It amazes me how one side will criticize the other for doing the very same things they do themselves. It is totally dishonest intellectually. You mention Beck, Hannity, Dobbs, O'Reilly but not any Left Wingers at all (Dobbs is not a right or left winger and O'Reilly is a moderate Conservative). Open your mind that the Left is just as bad as the right. You are allowing your anger and emotions to dictate your thinking.
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August 6, 2009 6:45AM
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It's funny
Nobody complained about Dobbs when he was blasting Bush. He's an equal opportunity blaster. Did you complain when he Blasted Bush? I thought not. I guess it depends on who he is talking about. Dobbs' shtick is to criticize the government whoever is in power. It is good to have someone like this as long as they are truthful. Dobbs was clear that he did not support the idea that O'Bama was not a natural born citizen.
- tbcass
August 6, 2009 6:34AM
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Exactly which idea is incorrect?
Free Speech gusy, are you referring to the ones that you don't agree with? Are we to believe that if Lou Dobbs were no longer allowed to voice these opinions to the American public that magically we would all suddenly be witness to "The Truth"? Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of our democracy and without it both you and I have no freedom. We become nothing more than silent wards of the state. The free market will eventually determine whether Lou Dobbs is successful or not. CNN knows this and walks a fine line. Witness the downfall of Air America. They espoused much the same kind of rhetoric and "incorrect ideas" that you refer to and eventually fell on their own sword. Nobody was threatened or fired. Such is our system of capitalism and free speech .
Leave Lou Dobbs and free speech alone and the American public will have the final say on whether he has a platform to voice these rights!
- TexasBorn
August 5, 2009 11:37AM
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There's a difference
between a belief and a fact.
Jesus Christ is Lord, that's a belief.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is the best movie ever, that's a belief.
There is no evidence that Barack Obama was born outside of the US, that's a fact.
- quantummechanik August 5, 2009 12:33PM
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There IS a difference
Where is the evidence that Barack Obama was born IN the United States?
If the president is "every man" enough to host a "beer summit" at the White House, why can't he produce his birth certificate? Hell, I'm not a world leader, but I'm powerful enough to pull off that simple trick.
- frontrangetony
August 5, 2009 12:57PM
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Evidence
Short-form birth certificate and birth announcements.
So...two for the idea that he WAS born here, zero for the Not born here.
- quantummechanik August 5, 2009 4:16PM
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Better Check Your Facts
The evidence is very compelling that BHO was born outside the U.S. I suggest you Google the evidence from his own relatives (among others) who stated that they witnessed his birth in Kenya. Don't be apathetic, muster the courage and find out for yourself. I did. I wish it weren't true but if one remains objective it is becoming clear that indeed he is hiding his records for good reason. Can anyone honestly and rationally explain why he doesn't unseal these records and put this to rest? The BC copy that has been posted as proof of NBC status, by no stretch of the imagination, is complete enough to satisfy even the most elementary legal requirements. What else explains the growing sentiment among Americans that something is amiss? Anyone who is a student of history and government knows the power and ability of the government to conceal the truth. It's your government and you deserve the truth from them.
- TexasBorn
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For simplicities sake
Link me to the pieces of evidence that you have that state he was born somewhere else.
If there are witnesses, then they've got 10,000 dollars coming to them. No one's claimed that money .
People can't get those long form records anymore. See http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
The one he put up on the website is his actual, real birth certificate.
- quantummechanik August 5, 2009 4:22PM
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Correct
You are correct that there is no evidence that Obama was born outside of the U.S. However, a member of Obama's own family (can't remember who) said that he was born in Kenya. A "certificate of live birth" can be obtained easily by anyone, even people who don't live in the U.S., but an actual birth certificate is harder to fake.
I'm not saying he was born elsewhere. All I know is that it's a waste of time to pursue it, because it's not going to go anywhere. However, Obama has been very CLOSED book when it comes to releasing info about his past. Info that the libs demanded that McCain produce WAS produced in over a 1,000 page document. Obama has refused to release any of those same things for himself. My question is....why is all that SO important and OK for the libs to demand from McCain, but anyone asking for info out of Obama is a crackpot and an idiot?
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How do you get
a Certificate of Live Birth? What makes you think it's easy to obtain?
- quantummechanik August 5, 2009 10:47PM
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I have read up on it
I have read articles about forgery to obtain them and how it's not too difficult. Illegal Mexicans get fake ID's here all the time. I know it's not the same thing, but a "certificate of live birth" is not solid proof that Obama was born here. If a determined average Joe can get one that wasn't born here, Obama could EASILY obtain one with his stature. I'm not saying his is fake, but it does leave room for opponents to question his legality....especially when you consider his refusal to release any information about his past that McCain had released on demand of the liberals. If that's not hypocrysy I don't know what is.
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My attempt to reply
To answer your question with another:
how do you think an idea that is incorrect should be disseminated through the social world?
Well you might ask APA, NEA, GLSEN, GLAAD regarding the incorrect disseminated informatin that you are born homosexual and that Aids is not killing our children in record numbers and that homophobia is Americas only real problems and radical promiscuity and dangerous sex acts and disregard with arrogant passive-aggressive tendencies toward violence and silencing of the conservative mainstream America is not.
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All of those things
Fly in the face of reality. There are no facts behind homosexuality being a choice, AIDS being on the rise, etc. Those are all things you made up. Once saying them, you now have to provide evidence that they are true.
- quantummechanik August 5, 2009 12:35PM
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Once again...
The rest of your egregiously unsupported accusations aside, if AIDS rates are increasing in children , it would be because their heterosexual parents are passing them the virus. What does this have to do with homosexuality ?
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August 6, 2009 4:37PM
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free speech
Lou Dobbs is only hurting himself.And Obama is laughting about it.
Come on Lou get a life.
- countryboy
August 4, 2009 5:32PM
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Alipac.us is a hate site asking their members to comment here
The ADL and SPLC tell us alipac.us is a Hate site. On their site, William Gheen, the leader of alipac.us, asked all their members to comment in this comment section and a variety of articles about Dobbs across the net.
Gheen/Alipac are skewing the results of these articles/comment sections/polls to misrepresent the American public's views.
It is a shame. The hate mongers who are media and internet savvy should not be allowed to dominate the blogesphere with their viewpoints. They should have one person, one vote, the same as everyone else. It is a pity that everyone in America does not have a pc/laptop and do not vote in these polls or comment in these comment sections.
- True American
August 4, 2009 6:12PM
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Those are serious charges.
I went to the site you mentioned and read the opinions you are calling 'hate'. I now have a few questions for you:
Would you label ACORN as a hate group for behaving in exactally the same manner that AlI is behaving? Those being "skewing the results of these articles/comment sections/polls to misrepresent the American public's views." (We wont compare legal issues here as that question is below.)
Where is the line between "grassroots community organizing" and "hate-mongering"?
I suspect that it depends on who you ask.
There are three real differences between ACORN and ALI:
1) ACORN is made up of non-whites, ALI is not.
2) ACORN is under investigation in some 14 states for criminal activities, ALI is not.
3) ACORN promotes liberal viewpoints, ALI does not.
Are these the reasons that you find ALI to be 'hate-mongers'?
- SolarSanitizer
August 5, 2009 1:56AM
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ACORN?
ACORN, eh? All the anti-ACORN FUD I've seen so far turned out to be basically nothing.
- WayOfTheDodo August 5, 2009 12:04PM
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Where did you look?
Huffington Post?
Try google. Type: Acorn indictments.
You'll get 56,000 hits.
I don't care if you are (R), (D), or (I), voter registration fraud should be a serious issue. I question the ethics of anyone flippantly dismissing ACORN's involvement with illegal activities. Especially about voter fraud . It punches a hole directly into democracy surely as an assassin's bullet.
- SolarSanitizer
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ACORN, my patoot
Nobody's convicted ACORN of anything. It looks to me as if ACORN hired a few canvassers (out of many) who happened to submit fraudulent registrations, either because the signers were having a joke (the people signing "Mickey Mouse" could just as easily have been Republicans as Democrats) or because the canvassers themselves forged the signatures. Rather than weed out fraudulent signatures themselves, ACORN simply passed the petitions along as-is, on the theory that the individual boards of elections have the responsibility to weed them out (which is more than a theory; it's the law ). Republicans keep calling this " voting fraud" whereas it may not even fit the definition of registration fraud. I'm unaware of evidence that a single vote was ever cast fraudulently. Whoever signed the registration forms fraudulently never showed up to vote as Mickey Mouse. On the other hand, I have heard lots of examples of legal voters who weren't allowed to vote because of various Republican shenanigans, especially in Florida and Ohio. Voter suppression is real, and a problem. Voter fraud registration fraud is real, but only a problem for county bureaucrats who have to purge the rolls of fraudulent voters. Voter Fraud is -- as far as I can see -- a figment of right wing imaginations and/or a fraud upon the public. And the attacks on ACORN are all a right wing effort to persuade the public -- in the absence of any evidence whatsoever -- that Obama and other Democrats took office by fraud.
- ducdebrabant
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So, your rebuttal is:
"I don't know."
"Someone."
Something."
"Maybe."
...And a Red Herring?
Nicely non-said.
- SolarSanitizer
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Freedom?
But wait, did anyone argue that Dobbs should not be able to speak his mind?
No! On the contrary, it was CNN which censored those who exposed the guy!
So if anything, it's the creators of the ads who had their freedoms trampled on.
- WayOfTheDodo August 5, 2009 12:02PM
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