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Hypocrisy: NCSE Uses Religious Arguments—to Advocate for Evolution!
Silly, silly Luskin
Luskin says:
"In the title of its first opening statement, the NCSE charges that ID should be rejected because it "is a Religiously Motivated Attack on Science.""
The NCSE says that "intelligent design is a religiously motivated attack on science", but the NCSE does not claim that is WHY it should be REJECTED. Luskin just made that part up so that he could beat up on a straw man. Of course ID should be rejected because it's non-science nonsense.
"how can they maintain consistency when they argue that the allegedly religious motives of ID proponents make ID unscientific?"
But this is crazy of course. Religious motives of ID proponents help keep non-science nonsense out of the public high school classroom. But ID is unscientific for entirely different reasons (as explored in the other articles on this site).
So I assert that Luskin's erroneous rebuttal and claim of "hypocrisy" are irrelevant to the overall question - does intelligent design have merit?
- onein6billion
September 19, 2008 11:05AM
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silly silly onein6billion (approaching 7)
"The NCSE says that " intelligent design is a religiously motivated attack on science", but the NCSE does not claim that is WHY it should be REJECTED. Luskin just made that part up so that he could beat up on a straw man."
You must be joking, do you really think the idea (with no proof) that ID is a religiously motivated attack on science is not a claim used to reject ID??? Speaking of Straw man attacks......
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/03/a_list_of_selected_responses_t.html
"Religious motives of ID proponents help keep non-science nonsense out of the public high school classroom. But ID is unscientific for entirely different reasons (as explored in the other articles on this site)."
After a long and repetitive debate with PvM on the issue of religious motivations, I think there might be a ray of hope for you guys when it comes to the notion that ID is unscientific. Can you explain the rationale behind the notion that ID is not science?
"Of course ID should be rejected because it's non-science nonsense."
How so? (see above)
- F2XL
November 6, 2008 8:33PM
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ID is not science
ID is not science because it can never make a prediction that is meaningful.
ID simply tries to pretend to match any and all observations of reality.
But there's no "why" there. Why should ID match reality? What do we know about the designer that would lead us to believe that his "design" actually matches reality?
Nothing --- here is reality and here is a silly "claim" that ID supports or is supported by that reality.
So ID has no merit because ID fits anything and everything.
And there was tiktaalik.
- onein6billion
November 7, 2008 6:30AM
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ID is science
"ID is not science because it can never make a prediction that is meaningful."
Sure..., except:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/08/function_for_endogenous_retrov.html
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/05/another_intelligent_design_pre.html
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/06/wired_magazine_unashamedly_mix.html
"ID simply tries to pretend to match any and all observations of reality."
Sounds like Neo-Darwinian theory to me.
"What do we know about the designer that would lead us to believe that his "design" actually matches reality?"
Why would we need to know anything about the designer to draw conclusions?
"So ID has no merit because ID fits anything and everything."
So then Evolution has no merit because it fits anything and everything in biology.
"And there was tiktaalik."
Common descent neither supports, nor refutes ID.
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November 9, 2008 11:43AM
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ID is meaninglessly irrelevant
"Common descent neither supports, nor refutes ID."
Because, of course, ID really does not mean anything significant.
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November 9, 2008 1:44PM
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Your comment was meaninglessly irrelavent
"Because, of course, ID really does not mean anything significant."
That's seriously your response to everything I said before???
Well, to dive into my point(s) a little further (at least with the only one you seem to be concerned with), showing verification of common descent in the biological studies does not affect the validity of ID in any way:
http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/enclosure/2007-01-01T16_23_44-08_00.mp3
http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/enclosure/2007-01-05T12_05_59-08_00.mp3
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php (see #2 in "Questions about Intelligent Design")
http://www.discovery.org/v/2
http://www.uncommondescent.com/comment-policy/put-a-sock-in-it / (part of the faq goes into what common descent means for ID)
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November 10, 2008 8:45PM
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As I said - ID is meaninglessly irrelevant
You continue to quote dishonest sources. Why should I waste any time even reading them, much less bothering to reply. Your "authorities" are not.
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November 11, 2008 10:06AM
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