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(Opinion) Conservative Black Group Says Hate Crimes Law a Mistake

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Conservative Black Group Says Hate Crimes Law a Mistake

Proselytizing

"Sen. Harry Reid, our brave Democratic majority leader"

"...in what is becoming our Godless nation" - which has NOTHING to do with the subject of the opinion.

Rarely does one see the Christian right calling Harry "brave."

Hate crimes are nonsense. Why is it that if I murder someone that I "love" I receive a lesser penalty than if I murder someone that I "hate?"

Does the murderee care?

Dennis

- Kayaker November 2, 2009 7:36PM

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- Because
  
  Because hate crimes are acts of terrorism against a community of people. In the same way that we add penalties for acts of terrorism beyond the actual crime , itself, so we add penalties for hate crimes. This is because, while the physical act of violence is the crime against the victim, the hate crime (in which the criminal defines his/her act as being directed at a group of people represented by his/her victim) is an act of terrorism against a larger community of people.
  
  - Babaroni November 2, 2009 10:03PM
  
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  - playing lawyer...
    
    as usual you have your ficticious facts all wrong! terrorism and hate crimes are not synonymous, whether applied to individuals or groups. A hate crime can be unintentional, incidential or accidential; where as terrorism is a calculated premediated act.
    
    - CitizenZebra November 3, 2009 12:24AM
    
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    - How can that be?
      
      Isn't the very definition of a hate crime based on the intention of the perpetrator?
      
      - Russell Fine November 3, 2009 8:24AM
      
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      - Precisely
        
        You're precisely correct, Russell. Prosecution of hate crimes must, by definition, prove intent.
        
        - Babaroni November 3, 2009 9:52AM
        
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        you must enjoy...
        
        being wrong! hate crimes are specific acts by statute. Get educated. If I write on a Lesbian's house in spray paint, " lesbians are %&*)(^&^()" it doesn't matter what my intention was, the act itself constitutes a hate crime .
        
        - CitizenZebra November 3, 2009 9:20PM
        
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        intentions
        
        If someone did spray paint such slurs on a lesbians house ... or racial slurs on a black church ... or anti-Semitic slurs on a synagogue then would it not be reasonable to look at it as a crime directed at those minority groups?
        
        - MrBook November 3, 2009 10:02PM
        
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        Your act
        
        Your act, itself, shows your intent. If your intent was not to terrorize "lesbians," then you would not have written a hateful statement about lesbians *during the commission of a crime * (vandalism) against a particular lesbian. That is the crime, and the intent to incite fear in the larger community, contained within the act you describe. That's why it's a hate crime .
        
        - Babaroni November 4, 2009 8:05AM
        
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      - No....
        
        "Hate crime " generally refers to criminal acts which are seen to have been motivated by hatred of one or more of the listed conditions . Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying , harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters. The act itself is the crime, not the intent, or motive, etc.
        
        - CitizenZebra November 3, 2009 9:28PM
        
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- exactly...
  
  It is the less perceptive and less intelligent that pursue these types of laws!
  
  - CitizenZebra November 3, 2009 12:29AM
  
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  - More ad hominem, huh CZ?
    
    When you can't think of a logical argument, go with the ad hominem, right? Great debate technique, there.
    
    - Babaroni November 3, 2009 9:55AM
    
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    - Your problem is...
      
      You think you know it all, in actuality , you comment from a prejudiced point of view and an uneducated one to boot!
      
      - CitizenZebra November 3, 2009 9:22PM
      
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