OPINION: Politics of Gun Prevention Shifting to the Middle

By The Brady Campaign , To Prevent Gun Violence - November 25, 2008

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By Paul Helmke | President, the Brady Campaign Earlier this week we released the results of a poll on the gun issue, taken by the prominent Penn, Schoen & Berland firm, of 1,083 confirmed Election Day voters. Before discussing the responses that may come as a surprise to some, I wanted to highlight the analysis of Rob Green, a principal at PSB, who evaluated the new political status of gun violence prevention after this election: "These findings suggest that sensible gun legislation ... Read the Full Article
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  • saga
    Part 2 - On to Rights Control

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    So, on to the gun control:

    Mind you, you're making heavy assumptions about what I actually think about gun control because I told you you're off-topic... which you Are... I haven't said what I think about it in this discussion forum. I haven't said a word about whether I think gun control is a good idea or not. Which is kind of why you pissed me off.
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    I understand. You didn’t ask me how my post pertained to gun control, you just claimed it didn’t.

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    The problem with guns isn't guns.... it's the attitudes that have been fostered towards them. Guns are glorified. They are made into toys... both actual and "virtual" in which there are no consequences to running amok shooting and killing people. They are put on pedestals in movies and turned into objects of desire with no real understanding of them. They are not respected for what they are - weapons of destruction that kill. Whether people or animals.
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    Children are not responsible for having irresponsible parents or relatives or governments. Children aren’t responsible for not being taught morals and responsibility. Should parents be regulated? That’s already being done and it doesn’t work. Should there be heavier regulation of parents? That will “not work” just as well. As for being put on pedestal and glorified, ditto for prescription narcotics. There is something for everyone, even children.

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    That is the problem I have with guns. That they are not respected. Gun legislation that makes sense to me would be to ban toy guns. A child doesn't fully comprehend death, let alone that a gun is a force that brings it.
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    So, let’s ban all things that a child does not comprehend will bring death. That won’t matter either. They will continue to die.

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    Gun legislation that is appropriate would be require a physical test that shows if you WANT to buy a gun, or own one, that you know how to use it... the parts... how to take care of it, etc. This is the reason that the second amendment says the right to bear arms belongs to the state's militia. A militia provides training and discipline. It requires that the person owning the gun(s) know about it and how to use it... and When to use it. Most gun accidents occur because of lack of knowledge.... sheer stupidity in other words. Ideal gun legislation would disallow back-door selling. This is the kind of gun "control" legislation I would support.
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    More legislation that won’t work. A chimpanzee could be taught to disassemble and reassemble a firearm, load it and shoot it. You can’t regulate away stupidity either. It is a constant that we will have to Live and Die with. I agree everyone should know how to safely and responsibly use and maintain a firearm. I believe that parents should teach their children morality, responsibility and firearm respect and safety By Example. I do not believe this should be legislated. It is our right. A Constitutional shortfall of the people is that there is no well regulated militia. We are the militia. It is our responsibility.

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    I'm actually of the opinion that gun safety classes should be required for high school graduation. Guns are not scary... a gun in the hand of an inexperienced or angry person is scary. ....or a drunk person.

    There you go. Now you can make an assumption about my opinions, since you're now aware of what they actually are.
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    Yes, guns wielded by inexperienced angry drunk people are scary. Many things in life are scary. We could die at any moment from countless horrible things. People do stupid things. Innocent children die. Evil people exist. That’s reality. All the regulations in the world will not change that. People fear, not only guns, they just fear. Fear drives irrational behavior.

    Somehow, the idea that it is government’s responsibility to protect us has been distorted to the point that people expect the government to protect us from ourselves. Legislating away Rights is an incremental removal of guaranteed freedoms. As a free society, it is our responsibility to resist infringements of our guaranteed rights. We are only entitled to them if we are willing to fight for them. That’s what it took to get them and that’s what it takes to keep them. If you give up your rights, you are no longer free. Calling it a Free Country does not make it one. If we are not willing to fight for Rights, they will be taken away. Period.

    Regulation is the illusion of a solution.

    Now you know my position on good and sensible gun regulation. “Currently” you are Free to agree or disagree. That may change one day.

    - sagaUS January 23, 2009 5:53PM

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    • SocialistBetty
      Sure...

      ...but only if people like you don't destroy us, first.


      The government's responsibility IS to protect us from idiocy. That's why we have government.

      Lastly, you do not have the protection from having your firearms regulated. If you want that right... join your state's militia.

      - SocialistBettyUS January 23, 2009 9:16PM

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      • saga
        No debate?

        I don't know how anyone like me could destroy us. If you mean pro-rights advocates (that sounds simililar to an abortion slogan) will destroy us, yes, they are murdering us one at a time already (except multi-embryo pregnancies, of course. Would sextuplets be mass murder?). I'm sure you are happy Obama's Mama didn't exercise her so-called right. You are entitled by the rights I think we should be fighting for to voice your opinions as I am. When they are lobbying to remove those Rights the destruction will almost be complete. Either way, no matter who destroys who, death is inevitable for us both. I prefer death than to be controlled by the likes of you, so with any luck I'll be dead by then. Live long and prosper.

        - sagaUS January 24, 2009 12:01PM

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