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Groups Urge Obama to Ban Armor-Piercing Gun Used at Fort Hood
Is this a sales pitch?
It seems like for any weapon to be popular these days, it first has to be endorsed by the Brady Bunch as being especially scary. Do you suppose the Brady Bunch gets kickbacks from gun manufacturers for doing these kind of write ups?
About all I know about this five seven is what I could dig up from a quick Internet search. It has a nine inch barrel, which would make it clunky as all get out for concealed carry . Muzzle energy is around 400 pounds, which is comparable to most of the mainstream offerings such as 9mm, .40 and .45. It uses a lighter bullet so the velocity is a bit higher, but a good part of the increased velocity comes from the long barrel. All things considered, I can't imagine why anyone would want one other than a collector who just wants something odd and different.
No one at Fort Hood was wearing armor anyhow, and if they had been, it would have been Class III that's designed to stop 7.62 Nato rounds that come out of the barrel with about 2800 foot pounds of energy. The little bitty bullets from the five seven wouldn't have made a dent in it.
So, what's the deal? The Brady Bunch makes claims about a weapon that would be false advertising coming from a manufacturer, and a Brady Bunch review is money in the bank compared to some puff piece in an outdoor sports magazine (if you cut out such articles, it's a clip).
If I was a gun manufacturer and wanted to boost sales, the first thing I'd do is try to cut a deal with the Brady Bunch. Heck, their efforts to sell beat up, el cheapo, surplus AK47 knock offs from third world countries has to be the marketing coup of the century.
- Don Earl
November 19, 2009 2:37PM
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Whaaaat?
A 9 inch barrel? The Five-seven has a 4.75" barrel. The overall length of the whole gun is only just over 8 inches.
Good post otherwise.
- LagerHead
November 19, 2009 3:34PM
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Okay
I must have been looking at the P90 version, which on double checking has a 10 inch barrel.
Whatever.
It still strikes me as such an oddball offering I can't imagine it having much demand without Brady Bunch hype.
- Don Earl
November 19, 2009 9:35PM
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You're confusing the cartridge with the weapon.
The 5.7x28mm was a round developed by FN for use in the P90, which they describe as a "personal defense weapon." It is a bullpup style semi-auto and automatic weapon. What they are referring to here is the handgun that bears the name of the cartridge, the "Five-seveN." It is a high end semi-auto polymer framed pistol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90
- LagerHead
November 20, 2009 8:47AM
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Yes, that's what I said.
I got the two mixed up.
I still can't figure out what it'd be especially useful for, though.
The only thing that gives a bullet "armor piercing" chacteristics in the context being used is having a pointed tip vs. the round nose design more typical of handgun bullets . Kevlar isn't much good when it comes to sharp or pointed. Arrows, knives, and pretty much anything with a point on it will penetrate. Class I armor isn't really designed to stop much, but is lighter and certainly better than nothing.
As just about everyone has pointed out, "cop killer" is a person, not an object. I imagine the Brady Bunch gets most of their "facts" from watching old Mel Gibson movies, like the one where Mel uses "cop killer" bullets to punch neat holes through the half inch tempered steel of a bulldozer bucket. Or the one where Danny Glover drills a bad guy between the eyes from a hundred yards out.
Most of them probably think Mickey Mouse is a real person because they've seen him on TV so often.
If all someone wanted was a pointed bullet and something to hide, it might take all of half an hour in the garage to chop a rifle down enough to hide under a coat. It's illegal to do so, but that isn't likely to be a major consideration for anyone planning to break the law anyhow.
- Don Earl
November 20, 2009 4:40PM
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